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elchapo
01-19-2010, 02:41 AM
I just accepted a plea that landed me 5 years probation with 6 months intensive probation. I have paruresis (shy bladder syndrome) and I am afraid that if I can't provide my probation officer with a urine sample I will go to jail. The judge said that if I violate I can go to jail for a a very long time.

Can anyone recommend any steps I might be able to take before seeing my probation officer? Is there anyway to arrange an alternate method of drug testing? I was told that I will have to take a drug test every week for 6 months and I am afraid I might have trouble.

Any help is greatly appreciated... Thanks.

VA PO
01-19-2010, 04:37 AM
First, do you have a medical diagnosis of paruresis? If not, then do not try to claim that as a reason for not being able to provide a drug screen, as PO's get that excuse all the time. In VA, it doesn't fly at all with the Courts. We use urine samples, and if the offender chooses to have themselves tested another way, then they must pay for it . However, that is usually futile since the Court take our drugs screens into consideratioon, not ones that offender's have done, as they get to choose when to have the test done, so they tend to only have tests done when they know they will be clean. Ours are random, so they are a true measure of drug use.

elchapo
01-19-2010, 05:26 AM
Thanks for the insight. I haven't been diagnosed but I can't ever pee in a public restroom with people around. I've always just avoided it.

However... I have been clean for 18 months now. But yet I am still scared to death knowing I can go to jail for up to 26 years. I don't know what to do.

VA PO
01-19-2010, 06:12 AM
I suggest drinking a whole lot of soda before you go to see your PO.

Sephora
01-19-2010, 09:53 AM
Green tea ~ it makes you pee whether you want to or not. Drink a lot of tea and water before you go. It's really not that hard and shy bladder is psychological, not physical. You just have to be more afraid of going to jail than of peeing in front of someone. My thought is always, "I know I'm clean, I've got nothing to be afraid of" and most of the time I have no problem peeing for my drug test. Half the time I volunteer even if I don't think it's time for me to test.

Jaimes Girl
01-19-2010, 10:21 AM
In Colorado they do mouth swab testing. Maybe you could request those instead of the UA. I know it costs more but in your case it may be worth it.

VA PO
01-19-2010, 10:32 AM
If doing a UA, and you drink green tea, or anything else water-based, you'll dilute the urine. That's why soda is best.

Sephora
01-19-2010, 01:56 PM
I was recommending green tea because it makes you urinate. That's a medical fact. Soda doesn't always. Soda can dehydrate you causing you to retain fluid as opposed to expel it. The office I go to actually offers water to the offenders if they claim to have issues.

As a former medical assistant who worked in a lab, I should add that it doesn't matter if urine is "watered down" when it comes to drug testing. Unless you are in completely over hydrated and have drank gallons of water, the tests cannot be fooled. A glass of green tea will not affect the positive or negative outcome of a urine test.

VA PO
01-19-2010, 03:35 PM
I do have to correct you here. The tests we use, which is the same vendor as many state use, test the level of createnin in the system. If it is too high, the test is considered invalid because it is "watered down". Our offenders know that if this occurs, it is an automatic violation for adulteration of urine. They also get tagged with a misdemeanor offense for substitution of urine as well. True the test will not be fooled, it will show excess amounts of createnin, and in VA, you will be violated. That is why I tell my offenders to drink soda, as it contains no water, and will not cause the test to show elevated levels of createnin. If you drink a lot shortly before the test, it should not have the effect of causing water retention, as there is a window where retention will not set in.

MCAPO
01-19-2010, 05:22 PM
Both of you guys are correct in respects to drug testing. If drinking one glass or two of green tea that is. soda does dehyrdrate, but if you drink a can or two will cause you to want to pee. Drink some green tea and your bladder will let go, shy or not.

Just don't over drink too many fluids - Here in Arizona, roofers on probation in mid August are drinking water like fishes and often dilution does occur. A lot of them drink some thirst busters of soda if they are a bit shy, it comes out.

elchapo
01-19-2010, 06:23 PM
Thanks guys...

Sephora
01-19-2010, 07:25 PM
I do have to correct you here. The tests we use, which is the same vendor as many state use, test the level of createnin in the system. If it is too high, the test is considered invalid because it is "watered down". Our offenders know that if this occurs, it is an automatic violation for adulteration of urine. They also get tagged with a misdemeanor offense for substitution of urine as well. True the test will not be fooled, it will show excess amounts of createnin, and in VA, you will be violated. That is why I tell my offenders to drink soda, as it contains no water, and will not cause the test to show elevated levels of createnin. If you drink a lot shortly before the test, it should not have the effect of causing water retention, as there is a window where retention will not set in.

I'm sorry but I have to laugh my azz off to anyone that says soda contains NO WATER. Are you serious????? Do you really think that???? That is so untrue it's comical. Soda is 90 percent water. WTF are you even thinking? Medically you honestly have no freakin clue. You are physically and medically hurting people telling them to drink soda.

iLoV3hiM85
01-19-2010, 07:39 PM
how abouty water pills.. tht also makes u pee without wantin 2... jus keep drinkin alota water... and i dont think thay do tht typa of testin of tha urine havin 2 much water wit probation but i kno exaktly wht ur talkin about.. those type of test r usually used for high top jobs as of long shoreman.... usually people try 2 take pills 4 kleanin tha marijuana outa thar system b4 takin tha test and thay kan trakt tht and use tht against ur test...... but yes i do think water is tha best bekuz its all natural and thay kan tell if tha urine is 2 watered down through marijuana drainin pillz bekuz kum on its a lab..................................... also drinkin to much soda kan kause urinary trakt infektion from not drinkin enough water... so stay on tha safe side and jus keep drinkin 16oz bottles of water...........

Sephora
01-19-2010, 07:47 PM
I just ran up to my roommate to tell her that soda had no water ~ she fell off her chair laughing. Seriously, soda is over 90% water. Have you never gone to a fountain and had caramel just spill out? Carbonated water is 90 percent of the soda. I seriously cannot believe that anyone would believe or think that soda has no water. If you are telling people that they have recourse to fight you in court for telling them lies.

VA PO
01-19-2010, 08:13 PM
Sorry Sephora, I guess I need to speak more carefully around you. what I meant to say is tht it doesn not contain the amount of water that our tests would be sensitive to. My apologies for not speaking so clearly for you. I am just telling my offenders what our UA venders tell me, and since they are using science in their analysis, I tend to believe what they are telling me about the machine's sensitivities, not what you tell me. but thank you, I stand corrected. So, in conclusion, in VA tests and in the tests of several other states, our vendor tells us that soda will not produce the dilution that will trigger a violation. Happy now?

Sephora
01-19-2010, 09:00 PM
Sorry Sephora, I guess I need to speak more carefully around you. what I meant to say is tht it doesn not contain the amount of water that our tests would be sensitive to. My apologies for not speaking so clearly for you. I am just telling my offenders what our UA venders tell me, and since they are using science in their analysis, I tend to believe what they are telling me about the machine's sensitivities, not what you tell me. but thank you, I stand corrected. So, in conclusion, in VA tests and in the tests of several other states, our vendor tells us that soda will not produce the dilution that will trigger a violation. Happy now?
No. Soda is 90% water and you are not giving accurate facts. Just drinking water will NOT medically dilute a test. Your statements make me wonder about your credibility. Soda is worse for people than water. So what your are saying is that you put your parolees in physical jeopardy and that your tests are medically flawed?

aba
01-19-2010, 09:09 PM
Here's what I do....I normally don't have problems but at times I do. If I'm not with my regular officer I can tend to be 'shy.' Since I know the night before that I'll be testing in the morning, I go to sleep without going to the bathroom. Then I wake up and drink a 32oz Gatorade G2. Then on the way to the test I go get a 20 oz coffee and drink that. Throw in a couple ice cubes to get it down fast. Then wait about 30 minutes and by the time you get to the test you'll be ready. That's my strategy and it always works. Not to mention I wake up, throw on some clothes, do the above, and head right for the test. Best to get it done first thing in the morning (7:30am) and most times I'm at the office before my officer and someone else carries out the test. Nonetheless, for what it's worth, my strategy works for me. I don't drink tea so I go the other route.

Sephora
01-19-2010, 09:24 PM
Here's what I do....I normally don't have problems but at times I do. If I'm not with my regular officer I can tend to be 'shy.' Since I know the night before that I'll be testing in the morning, I go to sleep without going to the bathroom. Then I wake up and drink a 32oz Gatorade G2. Then on the way to the test I go get a 20 oz coffee and drink that. Throw in a couple ice cubes to get it down fast. Then wait about 30 minutes and by the time you get to the test you'll be ready. That's my strategy and it always works. Not to mention I wake up, throw on some clothes, do the above, and head right for the test. Best to get it done first thing in the morning (7:30am) and most times I'm at the office before my officer and someone else carries out the test. Nonetheless, for what it's worth, my strategy works for me. I don't drink tea so I go the other route.
Oh my goodness....you are a UTI and kidney infection waiting to happen. May the gods help you not get ill. Are you doing all this because you do drugs and need to fool the test?? If you are clean, you don't need to do all this for a test. You're just going to give yourself an infection.

robinhoodswife
01-19-2010, 09:26 PM
I was always shy taking drug test, after 10 years in the navy I learned the best way to over was first thing in the morning is the best pee. That's why they say to do a pregency test in morning. I would drink soda and water, and wait until I felt like I was going to pee my pants. Then if there is a sink run the water on full, and just relax! It get easyer in time.

robinhoodswife
01-19-2010, 09:34 PM
Oh my goodness....you are a UTI and kidney infection waiting to happen. May the gods help you not get ill. Are you doing all this because you do drugs and need to fool the test?? If you are clean, you don't need to do all this for a test. You're just going to give yourself an infection.

Holding in your pee is not going to fool the test, it fact most of of the flushing of your system happens while sleeping so her test would show everything. Drinking water and peeing all night long would delute her pee and mess the test up. And they would see that. FYI I use to run the drug test.

aba
01-19-2010, 09:36 PM
Oh my goodness....you are a UTI and kidney infection waiting to happen. May the gods help you not get ill. Are you doing all this because you do drugs and need to fool the test?? If you are clean, you don't need to do all this for a test. You're just going to give yourself an infection.

I have been 100% clean without a sip of alcohol or any type of drug (except prozac and only 20mg) for 7 months. And ironically you say kidney infection, I had some major kidney stone problems and all sorts of procedures to rid myself of them that's why I DON'T drink tea. Too much oxilate. And my urologist would give me macrodantin if I got a UTI but I watch what I eat and no excess calcium, no oxilate, lots of leafy greens and stuff.

But let me be clear: I have no intent, desire, nor reason to fool any test, not too mention my tests are random, and like written above if you drink too much water they will know. Plus my pre-trial officer suggested drinking coffee before the test or a coca-cola but I don't drink soda. So that's how I do it....and my main motivation for adhering to this strategy is to get in and out, and not aggravate my pre-trial officer. Usually the whole thing takes 10 minutes max and I'm out the door.

robinhoodswife
01-19-2010, 09:50 PM
I have been 100% clean without a sip of alcohol or any type of drug (except prozac and only 20mg) for 7 months. And ironically you say kidney infection, I had some major kidney stone problems and all sorts of procedures to rid myself of them that's why I DON'T drink tea. Too much oxilate. And my urologist would give me macrodantin if I got a UTI but I watch what I eat and no excess calcium, no oxilate, lots of leafy greens and stuff.

But let me be clear: I have no intent, desire, nor reason to fool any test, not too mention my tests are random, and like written above if you drink too much water they will know. Plus my pre-trial officer suggested drinking coffee before the test or a coca-cola but I don't drink soda. So that's how I do it....and my main motivation for adhering to this strategy is to get in and out, and not aggravate my pre-trial officer. Usually the whole thing takes 10 minutes max and I'm out the door.

Just wanted congrads on 7 months! Dealing with my man being a addict I know that's hard work!

aba
01-19-2010, 09:54 PM
Really my only objective is to get in and out quickly. I don't want to get there and that not be able to do the test. I can tell the officer's get a little aggravated if you make them wait. Plus at reception they ask you if you're ready and if you say yes, they expect you to be ready. So I just want to make sure I can get it done. And it is all psychological. When I'm with my regular officer who I feel comfortable with there's no problems whatsoever, if it's someone else and they're looking over my shoulder I get nervous. Now I show up wearing sweats or shorts and a t-shirt, no pockets at all so no one can say anything. And so far I'm proud to say I'm totally drug free for the first time in a long time, and I'm more proud of that fact then saying I've passed all my drug tests. Because there are some jackasses that try to beat the test, which they can't do, and that will only result in revoking their bond, pissing off the Judge, and more severe punishment. It's just not worth it. I'll drink my liquids and let it flow at test time. :)

Robinhoodswife: thanks for your kind words. since the day of my arrest in June I have not used drugs nor alcohol (although I never was a drinker) and i have to tell you pending charges notwithstanding my life is better now then it was before! and what's more is i haven't found it to be hard work. i know i have no choice but to be drug free unless i want to await the outcome of my legal situation in county jail instead of working productively and spending time with my loved ones. so i have great incentives!

CoChese
01-19-2010, 10:20 PM
Wow, what a conversation. This really freaks me out. No, I'm not a drug user or an offender. I'm retired military and I despise the drug test. The reason I despise it is because it violates our freedom and pronounces someone as "guilty" until proven innocent. I can't stand that because I am old school.
What totally freaks me out about this conversation is the fact people are saying you can fail a drug test because you drink water?!!!!??? WTF!!! I was tested in the military (over 15+ years ago) and was ALWAYS told to drink as much water as you can to help you go. They provided water. WOW! If drinking too much water fails a drug test, then someone needs to change the test. That's just utterly BS! I'm still shocked.. Whoa!

aba
01-19-2010, 10:31 PM
Wow, what a conversation. This really freaks me out. No, I'm not a drug user or an offender. I'm retired military and I despise the drug test. The reason I despise it is because it violates our freedom and pronounces someone as "guilty" until proven innocent. I can't stand that because I am old school.
What totally freaks me out about this conversation is the fact people are saying you can fail a drug test because you drink water?!!!!??? WTF!!! I was tested in the military (over 15+ years ago) and was ALWAYS told to drink as much water as you can to help you go. They provided water. WOW! If drinking too much water fails a drug test, then someone needs to change the test. That's just utterly BS! I'm still shocked.. Whoa!

Honestly I have no problems taking the test, or with the fact that it's a condition of my bond. I have everything to lose by using drugs so the test is no problem. And when I go in there, I go in happy and leave happy because I no I have nothing to fear. I don't see it as a violation of my rights, I see it as a court-ordered condition of my release. And the court could have set a higher bond, imposed electronic monitoring or otherwise, but instead I call a number, and if my color comes up I go do my thing. It's no big deal in my opinion.

Sephora
01-20-2010, 08:35 AM
Holding in your pee is not going to fool the test, it fact most of of the flushing of your system happens while sleeping so her test would show everything. Drinking water and peeing all night long would delute her pee and mess the test up. And they would see that. FYI I use to run the drug test.
Why are you quoting me? I stated what she's doing is bad for her medically and she's going to end up sick with a UTI or kidney infection from holding it for so long. That's a medical fact. You should never hold your urine for so long.

I do think if you have nothing to hide, there's no need to go through so much just to pee for a test. I drink 10 glasses of water a day as well as 4-6 glasses of green tea. I've never been accused of trying to mess with the test. Of course, having never done drugs, I don't have anything to worry about.

CoChese
01-20-2010, 10:38 PM
Honestly I have no problems taking the test, or with the fact that it's a condition of my bond. I have everything to lose by using drugs so the test is no problem. And when I go in there, I go in happy and leave happy because I no I have nothing to fear. I don't see it as a violation of my rights, I see it as a court-ordered condition of my release. And the court could have set a higher bond, imposed electronic monitoring or otherwise, but instead I call a number, and if my color comes up I go do my thing. It's no big deal in my opinion.

Ya, ya. I understand the fact it doesn't bother you. But, would it bother you if it came out positive (or failed the drug test) because you drank too much water? :dizzy:

Igor Louis
01-20-2010, 11:00 PM
...I despise the drug test. The reason I despise it is because it violates our freedom and pronounces someone as "guilty" until proven innocent. I can't stand that because I am old school.
Actually, if someone is on supervision, their rights are usually much less than that of someone who doesn't have a felony conviction. So giving a urinalysis which tests for the presence of controlled and illegal substances is acceptable if the individual is on supervision. Not going to address the urinalyses that companies give to their employees.

What totally freaks me out about this conversation is the fact people are saying you can fail a drug test because you drink water?!!!!??? WTF!!!
No, what was said is that if the test comes back with a low creatinine level or gives the appearance of being water, without a hint of yellow color in it, that it can be and, in some instances, will be considered a violation of supervision as that indicates an attempt by the Offender to dilute the specimen and confuse the drug test.

aba
01-21-2010, 12:09 AM
Ya, ya. I understand the fact it doesn't bother you. But, would it bother you if it came out positive (or failed the drug test) because you drank too much water? :dizzy:

It would bother me if I failed a drug test for any reason, considering 1) I'm not using drugs and 2) my life is better now without drugs in my life and 3) I'm not going to ruin anything positive I have going for me with regard to sentencing because I've failed a drug test. That being said....

To answer your question...I don't drink water before a test....I just drink gatorate (G2) and coffee. And when it's time for the test, I perform. My pre-trial officer recommended that I drink gatorade, coffee, or soda. I don't drink soda so I go for the first two. I don't drink water before a test specifically for that reason, but I think if there was a high water presence in my test my officer would test me again, as I believe he believes I'm not using any drugs.

And Sephora: by the way, I'm a guy :)

MCAPO
01-21-2010, 03:34 PM
No. Soda is 90% water and you are not giving accurate facts. Just drinking water will NOT medically dilute a test. Your statements make me wonder about your credibility. Soda is worse for people than water. So what your are saying is that you put your parolees in physical jeopardy and that your tests are medically flawed?

It's quantity. Larger amounts will dilute a test, but were talking, a lot of water. ;)

CoChese
01-21-2010, 09:13 PM
Actually, if someone is on supervision, their rights are usually much less than that of someone who doesn't have a felony conviction. So giving a urinalysis which tests for the presence of controlled and illegal substances is acceptable if the individual is on supervision. Not going to address the urinalyses that companies give to their employees.


No, what was said is that if the test comes back with a low creatinine level or gives the appearance of being water, without a hint of yellow color in it, that it can be and, in some instances, will be considered a violation of supervision as that indicates an attempt by the Offender to dilute the specimen and confuse the drug test.

OK, so if the test can be confused, they should change the test. If the darn thing isn't full proof, then they shouldn't use it against people.
But what you said makes sense. Thanks for the reply. I was looking at it from MY viewpoint and I am not on probation nor have I ever been, and it's the employer type testing that pisses me off. Oh, I do it, but I hate it. Probably because I'm too much of a democrat and a true believer in one's freedom and rights. And guilty until proven innocent is something that is running rabid now a days! OOps, Im definitely in the wrong forum. Sorry.. Im outta here!!! ;)

elchapo
01-25-2010, 05:13 AM
any other tips?

Jaimes Girl
01-26-2010, 05:43 PM
I would see if they do the mouth swab testing.................I hope it works out.

makingmyway
03-19-2010, 06:26 PM
You seem to be pretty level headed in this area and I so much appreciate that. Maybe you can help me with my situation.
I've been taking UA's since October 2008. The first time I went in to visit my parole officer, I had to take a UA. I had just come from the 1/2 way house and it was 8 in the morning. It took me 6 hours to pee for her. Luckily they let me sit there and wait. They let me drink 1 cup of water and I tried 3-4 times. No luck. Finally the Senior officer came out and wondered why I was still there and he let me go and get some lunch. I drank a huge pop and came back and finally was able to produce a urine sample. I knew I was clean and that was the most frustrating part. After that, I planned ahead and made myself wait all day to be able to go. Our hours out here in Seattle are from 3-5 pm. No exceptions. I did ok for a while but last March I moved closer to work which put me at another office. My PO there is very cool and is the senior officer. Unfortunatley he is a man and he can't observe my ua's. There are 2-3 lady's there who do the testing and I do pretty good with all but one of them. EVERY time I get her, I freeze and can't go. It takes me 2-3 attempts and that is along with my waiting all day to pee. She started getting very annoyed with me like I put her out and took too much of her time. Well, the other day, I was out in the waiting area and guess who comes and opens the door. Yup, blondie who hates me. I said under my breath, "great" and she heard me. Well she says, "great, huh? Well I'm the only one here and you'll just have to deal with it. Are you going to start your tricks now? Like you can't go etc? I've let you get away with murder. I accepted a drop from you before and you should be thankful I did." I don't know about you, but when someone is yelling at me about being able to pee on command, I get stressed and I freeze no matter how bad I have to go. I even pee in a hat so there is no question of using my hands, etc. She stares at me and yells, "pants below the knees" and I freak. I got there at 3:30 and at 4:55, I make my final attempt and while we were making our way back to the room, I see one of the other lady's so I say, "can't I just go with her? Well, they both start yelling at me about how they are not going to accomidate me again and this was the last time. They went on with this for at least 10 minutes and even brought a guy in on the beating. She says, "I've been doung this for 20 years and never have come accross this". They said, "you better get on the internet and find out what your problem is because this is the last time". Well here I am asking for any advice. The thing is, is that I am clean and that's the worst part about not being able to go. As soon as the other lady came in, she started in with me but I asked her to be quiet and peed right away. I'm at a loss.
Sorry this was so long, but I really wanted to give a good account of my situation. I really am doing what I am supposed to be doing. I have a great job and nice things and am far away from drugs and that horrible life. It would be a shame to go back to prison for this and that's what they threaten. The ladys anyway. My PO is so busy that he is rarely there. I'm at a loss. Thanks. This is my firs time doing blogging. How will I know if anyone comments?

VA PO
03-20-2010, 05:36 AM
So for the last year and a half, you've had clean UA's, and now a PO is yelling at you for no apparent reason? Something is missing in this story.

wickit
03-21-2010, 09:59 PM
That would be so frustrating! I have a son in prison for drugs, but I'm drug tested by my physician. I have chronic pain that is so bad I have to have proceedures done every month on my spine. In between I'm on heavy pain medications and depressants and I hate having to take it. My pain is under control but I feel like crap all the time! When I'm drug tested, I'm not only doing it to see if there are other drugs in my system, I have to do to prove the drugs I am prescribed are in my system. Sometimes I have the same problem being able to give a sample. However, my doctor has been treating me for almost twenty years and believes I'm not a person to lie to him but he still has to follow guidelines, so I have to stay until he gets the sample. I think you should do what works for you and as long as you are drug free you have nothing to worry about. If the woman continues to treat you this way I would speak with my po and try to see if you could be scheduled with someone else.

Xellena
03-21-2010, 10:52 PM
Okay wow. While there are alot of right answers here there are alot of wrong ones also.

First off its not just water and green tea that can dilute your urine,
Water/Green Tea/Gatoraid/Coffee/Etc. ALL of these can show dilution in a urine sample. Like past stated it is the creotine lvls that are tested. Anything that makes your Urine go from Bright yellow/orange/dark whatever to a Light yellow almost Clear
is diluted Urine.

It is HARDER to dilute your urine with soda for the simple fact soda is known to cause dehydration instead hydration... Ever noticed how you can drink 5 cans of soda and still urinate dark (This is primarly due to sugars and Caffiene in soda)....where as with water/coffee/tea etc your urine gets lighter and lighter?

When your body is overly hydrated it sheds the ecess water...the more hydrated the lighter the Urine will be therefore being questioned as OVER hydrating in hopes of lowering the lvls of drugs that may be present in your system...Lighter Urine Less concentrate

Look at it like Orange Juice...You buy a can add three cans of water it is bright yellow/orange..add 3 more cans..it gets lighter and tastes less and less like orange juice...keep adding water and eventually you will dilute the orange content to non exsistent. Same principal with Urine tests.

As for getting a UTI from soda? Really? Do you know how much soda (NOTHING ELSE) over how many weeks/months you would have to do this to get a UTI? Drinking a couple sodas before a UA isnt going to hurt you...if you are worried about it go home and drink 20 gallons of water and flush your system

Kathyinmaine
10-29-2010, 07:30 AM
my son and other in the half-way house keep getting violations for diluted urine. The staff told him he MUSt drink water, then the urine is diluted. I think the inmates should be able to take a blood test or another test at their own expense. Is there any test that will be approved by the feds?

Igor Louis
10-30-2010, 02:14 AM
Not sure how the feds feel about hair follicle tests, but I've used them before at the state/felony level. The Offender has to pay the cost themselves (usually $75-100 per pop per month) and it will show use for the entire month. Not a problem if they're staying clean, but it has backfired on 2 people before that thought they were going to be "slick" on it.

Cycleman6
11-01-2010, 08:07 AM
Will they allow you to put a few drops of pure peppermint oil in the toilet before going? It opens up the urethra and forces you to pee. We use this method on laboring women all the time. It's natural and I don't see how it would effect the outcome of the test since it's placed in the toilet bowl and not the cup your peeing in.

VA PO
11-01-2010, 02:11 PM
We don't allow any adulteration of the toilet water. We don't allow anything in the screening room other than the offender and the urine cup.

Igor Louis
11-01-2010, 08:39 PM
What VA PO said.