does anyone know if a sociopath can be treated? is there help available,particularly in the michigan prison system? i was writing to a guy there and i realize now he was a sociopath,he used me,scammed me... but i am not angry now because i realize it is not his fault, i have forgiven him and really i feel alot of compassion for him. is there any hope for someone who suffers from this? thank you. Wendi

is there hope?? Yes, but not without proper treatment and medication - which we all know are almost nonexistant in the prison system.

Has he even been diagnosed? Does he get any kind of treatment? Men with antisocial disorders are hard to work with because its not easy for them to admit their thinking is wrong and at the same time they are very charming and they actually do think that you will come around to their way.

In my years in the state mental health system I saw some get better thru therapy and meds, leave the hosptial and not come back... with others they stay in a state setting and/or locked group homes and rarely go out into the community without strict supervision.

Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you understand.. I'm no doctor, but I worked with guys like this for over 25 years and continue to work in the mental health field part time.

mrs.dragon

Personality disorders, such as antisocial personality disorder, are deeply entrenched into one's psyche. Personality disorders are not like other mental health problems such as bi-polar illness, depression or schizophrenia where there is bonafide chemical imbalances that cause the symptoms. Currently there is little research into biochemical/genetic causes of personality disorders. Personality disorders are thought to be developed by the time one is 5 years old and is often a result of familial, social and cultural components. Research shows that treatment [no matter where the location] for sociopaths [anti-social personality disorder] has little to no impact, especially if treatment does not start until one is an adult. Treatment of children/adolescents have some better results but not much. There is no medication for this diagnosis [b/c there is no known biochemical problem] and treatment needs to be long-term...something most w/this disorder find not to their liking [since most don't think their personality is a problem--"the world has a problem, not me"]. Anti-social personality is very closely aligned with narcisstic personality disorder, both very difficult to treat. Many in prison may find themselves with either one of these two diagnoses. Some with this disorder are very successful--used car salesmen, politicians, MD's [lol, but true for some]...they have learned how to successfully use their personalities to some "greater good" as long as it serves them first as their priority.
There is lots more info. on the net about personality disorders so if you are interested, check it out!

Hi

Any psychiatrist or psychologist would agree from either experience or reviewing the literature that personality disorders are not easily treatable. The cause of the disorder stems from childhood, from patterns of reward that do not fit the behavior, repetitious non reward for correct behaviors and generally maladoptive methodology of upbringing. Most of the time the disorder is comorbid with other disorders such as mild psychotic episodes or cyclothymia. Sorry you had to deal with someone suffering from this disorder, certainly not easy.

Peace
Maria

thanx so much for the info. i did read about it in the dsmIV and it seems like it is a very hard disorder to have to deal with... i am just glad that i was able to see this guy with some compassion rather than expending energy being angry, i know this is not his fault and that it did come as aresult of childhood. i suspect he was abused big time.

Hi Again Wendy

I am glad to see that you are sympathetic towards the mentally ill rather be mad at them. Yet, I want you to know that sociopaths and psychopaths do not always suffer abuse as children. Some do, but some do not. Abuse isn't always the etiology of personality disorders.

Peace
Maria

I am glad you said that Remiella, a relative of mine has a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder and everything has been done to try and "help" and ease the situation, he isnt happy either but can't seem to help doing things that alienate him from others. He has had a very caring family around him but little can actually be done other than to "tone" down the behaviour and constantly reinforce good behaviour and reward it .

thanks again! gosh these people withg this disorder are so charming! it's sad.

LOL Wendy

Charm is almost always a red flag with patients in that category. Actually psychpaths score above average in intelligence tests, are quick witted and ever so charming. Who could argue with that ah!!! Sociopaths on the other hand are less intelligent (not to give another noun) and much less charming. Isn't it a bit funky to see personality characteristics that are generally desirable in the context of illness. There is a thin line between sanity and insanity. Peace.

Maria

Hi. I was wondering if anyone knows of a book about anti-social personality disorder and other type personality disorders. I have seen the clinical stuff. Just wondering if there is something not too expensive but informative? Thanks, Rosita

A long ago my man told me that was considered a sociopath. I didn't think very much about it,as I had the same coping mechanisms as he did. So I thought it was just a label put on him by the prison system before. Now I'm wondering because he's back inside and he is charming,quite intelligent and I know that he knows that I can be a pushover at times. Although he always seems to be on my side of things...but yet can live a completely different life through deceptions.

Hi Rosita

I do not have a book in mind for personality disorders. However, I know of a ton of textbooks and clinical publications that address the issue among other disorders. If you would like some of the titles Please let me know. Peace.

Hey strangedanimal

Now let's give this some thought. Every disorder has some sort of definition and certain characteristics for the purpose of diagnosis. The DSM-IV was published for that reason to let clinicians classify all the disorders. However, not every person that meets some of the symptoms is guaranteed to suffer from the disorder. It is not a cut and dry, boxy situation. The person must meet a number of symptoms in different categories and can only be declared as such after testing and qualification. Now, your mate, you say is charming and intelligent, deceptive and has been in and out of prison. Many symptoms there but cannot be sure yet. Please read about it before you conlude that he is a psychopath.
Some alarming signs: Excessive deception, lack of sympathy under conditions that would make others be sympathetic, expecting different results from the same action under same circumstances, lack of remorse, callous, aggressiveness, recidivism, manipulative, insensitive to accomplishments of others, pie in the sky schemer.
I need to say that many psychopaths are not what the movies portray, the killer, the predator etc. Some people manage to go thru life uneventfully because they suffer a milder form of the disorder and may have supportive families. So nothing is definite and it is all relative. I hope this helped. Let know. Peace.

As Maria said "there is a thin line" ! so true,so true.

"Personality disorders are thought to be developed by the time one is 5 years old and is often a result of familial, social and cultural components."

"Anti-social personality is very closely aligned with narcisstic personality disorder, both very difficult to treat."

"The cause of the disorder stems from childhood, from patterns of reward that do not fit the behavior, repetitious non reward for correct behaviors and generally maladoptive methodology of upbringing. Most of the time the disorder is comorbid with other disorders such as mild psychotic episodes or cyclothymia."

First a couple of quesitons from a non psych person here. And, a comment afterward.

cyclothymia? Does that mean a recurrent cycle of behavior or something like that?
It isn't in my dictionary.

Also, when does someone who is selfish...egocentric and possessive as a young child might be...cross the line into a narcisstic disorder?

Are personality disorders hard to treat because the persons affected don't see themselves as having problems; i.e., it's everyone else's fault? (I heard a respected attorney say that you will never find a guilty person in prison because each person there has a reason for being there that has nothing to do with him/herself.)

Last question, I read many of the posts here and it seems that often the women who write are consumed by doing this and that at the beck and call of their loved ones.
Only a few state that their husband or boyfriend is genuinely concerned about their welfare. Is this prison mentality that comes with self preservation or are many in
prison inherently self centered survivors who use whomever comes across their paths?
(I have encountered some preschool boys who already treat women with a "wait on me hand and foot" attitude learned at home.)

Chiming In Hi, I am intrigued by all your comments because I am in college studying early childhood special education. Research published in From Neurons to Neighborhoods somewhat supports behavior disorders arising during preschool years. The conclusion of the researchers, who considered children from all nationalities, socio-economic backgrounds, and mental capabilities, was that the one factor discovered to be most significant in developing self image and acquiring social and pre academic skills is the interaciton of young children with their principle caregivers. That said, I guess one of the most revealing insights we can gain about people is through comments about their parents, family, and memories of childhood. I know this isn't always true but the happiest people I've ever met have come from loving supportive homes. That isn't to say those who didn't have that gift at birth can't become happy and make others feel valued and loved. I guess that's why I am hoping being a preschool teacher will make a difference in some child's life. Well, off for now. Again, a very interesting discussion..

Sociopaths and psychopaths have the same general criteria. Although years ago the terms were used to address diffenent diagnosis the APA (American Psychological Association) acknowledges the two as the same term and either can be used. Most professionals who obtained their credentials years ago will use psychopath while sociopath is more commonly used today.
Sociopath is not technically an anti-social personality disorder but a dyssocial personality disorder and the two should not be confused. Any person in prison could technically be diagnoised with Antisocial personality disorder as criminal behavior is considered anti-social. No to mention the lifestyle adjustment and behaviors any inmate displays to survive. These could all be construed as antisocial. Almost all of us have some anti-social traits however we do not meet all the criteria for a true or
rule-out diagnosis. The entire issue of the diagnosis APD is consistently being argued and reviewed by the APA and one should notice that the criteria changes with every revision of the DSM. Many feel that the criteria as they ciirently stand are to general and broad to be a specific diagnosis and it is being use to generally by mental health professionals. I would concur.

Is a true sociopath treatable? NO.
As other's already said there are no meds to address sociopathic behaviors and a true sociopath would be very unreceptive to any type of therapeutic treatment. To say it in simple terms a true sociopath is someone with out a conscience. They possess no empathy or remorse and again as someone already stated they usually possess an IQ well above the normal range thus being extremely manipulative.

Here is some info. I copied from a clinical socialwork (NASW, APA) web-site
These are some of the traits of APD:
Sense of entitlement; Unremorseful; Apathetic to others; Unconscionable behavior; Blameful of others; Manipulative and conning; Affectively cold; Disparate understanding; Socially irresponsible; Disregardful of obligations; Nonconforming to norms; Irresponsible

whereas the DSM-IV "clinical" features of Antisocial Personality Disorder (with a person having at least three of these characteristics) are:

1. Failure to conform to social norms; 2. Deceitfulness, manipulativeness; 3. Impulsivity, failure to plan ahead; 4. Irritability, aggressiveness; 5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others; 6. Consistent irresponsibility; 7. Lack of remorse after having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person

(I know a TON of people both in and out of prison who would meet the criteria at certain times and depending on what was going on in their life when the evaluation was completed. A runaway or truant teenager, a person with an addiction disorder etc. etc.
Again, this makes this diagnosis VERY broad and technically at the disgression of the MH professional completing the evaluation.)

Sociopathy is chiefly characterized by something wrong with the person's conscience. They either don't have one, it's full of holes like Swiss cheese, or they are somehow able to completely neutralize or negate any sense of conscience or future time perspective. Sociopaths only care about fulfilling their own needs and desires - selfishness and egocentricity to the extreme. Everything and everybody else is mentally twisted around in their minds as objects to be used in fulfilling their own needs and desires. They often believe they are doing something good for society, or at least nothing that bad.

Some common sociopathic traits include:
Egocentricity; Callousness; Impulsivity; Conscience defect; Exaggerated sexuality; Excessive boasting; Risk taking; Inability to resist temptation; Antagonistic, deprecating attitude toward the opposite sex; Lack of interest in bonding with a mate.


SOCIOPATHS derive strong, yet nonperverse gratification from harming others. They like to hurt, frighten, tyrannize, bully, and manipulate. They do it for a sense of power and control, and will often only drop subtle hints about what they are up to. They polish their aggressive, domineering manner in such a way to disguise any intimidation others might feel. Some seek out positions of power, such as parent, teacher, bureaucrat, supervisor, or police officer. Their style is one of passive aggression as they systematically go about sabotaging the ideas of others to get their ideas in place. In their spare time, many like to hunt or do sadistic things to animals. They are usually effective at getting their way, and are especially vindictive if resisted or crossed. They don't follow the social norm of reciprocity like others do.


The current DSM-IV approach essentially says that anything which is not sociopathy personality disorder is antisocial personality disorder, but there is considerable overlap. The diagnostic possibilities are endless; there are at least 3 million possible variations of symptoms on at least 62 different measurable items.

Hello Remiella, I saw your response. I would love to know some of the titles. I heard some things in my husband's trial. Somethings I knew already. Other things were new. But I would love to know WHY he does some of the things he does. I don't blame him for a lot of problems in his life. But I wonder why he treats me like he does sometimes. Oh well I would be very appreciative of the titles. Thanks a bunch!

Hi Wjr

First, Cyclothymia, comes two greek words, "cyclo" meaning circle and "thymia" meaning mood. Cyclothymia is a psychiatric term describing cyclical moods ranging from depression to psychotic states.

Second, a child who displays self-centered behaviors, possesiveness and egocentricity cannot be classified as having propensity to develop narcissistic personality disorder. Although the disorder involves these symptoms, the development of the disorder may depend on many other factors. Some people posted the importance of family, cultural, educational and socioeconomic factors. And may I add genetic.

Now about people who are imprisoned and use psychological labeling to find an explanation for their current state of being. Well, I myself have been a prisoner. I had observed closely fellow women prisoners. There is a high, a very high percentage of women in prison who suffer from personality disorders among other mental disorders.
I doubt that they know they are suffering an ailment, they are not even aware or contemplate that they can use that fact to benefit themselves legally or for the purpose of self preservation.

And lastly, I know very little about developmental psychology and cannot answer the childhood questions you are raising. From life experience i can attest that a loving family contributes to a person's well being. However, and there are always howevers in science, a loving family doesn't always guarantee lifelong mental health.
I enjoyed your post and appreciate your train of thought. Thank you for your questions and contemplation. Peace
Maria

Hi Rosita

Well here a textbook that is well written, informative and will define personality disorders (Abnormal Psychology by James Butcher, Susan Mineka and Jill Hooley) Should be available in a public library and definitely available at any university library.Chapter 11 is dedicated to personality disorders.
Also, if you decide you want to go to a university library, do an online search in psychinfo (OVID database) or medline on the subject. You will have your hands full for days.
There is a scientific journal of personality (more into social psychology but also publishes many studies on personality disorders) that will give you a wealth of info.

Also look up these books:
Cognitive Therapy for Personality Disorders: A Schema-Focused Approach by Jeffrey Young

Personality Disorders by Linda Bayer-Berenbaum and LInda n. Bayer (Bayer and Bayer and it is not asiprin)LOL

Am I OK? A Layman's Guide to the Psychiatrist's Bible by Michael First.

I hope this helps. Let me know how it turned out.
Peace
Maria

Hello Maria, thank you very much. You have given me a lot to go find and research. Very interesting. I hope to find out a lot more about my husband. And myself too along the way. Even though I have never had any trouble with the law I do come from a very dysfunctional family. My husband's background makes my dysfunction look like child's play. This gives me a place to start. What does upset me is that he will never receive any type of help in prison. His main help has been having a stable relationship/ marriage with me. And his acceptance of my religion. He was always a Christian but is now converting to the Catholic church. Thank You Maria. I really appreciate it. In the meantime take care. I will let you know how the research goes. You are very educated in this area. That's great! Rosita

I was involved with an inmate who I loved very much, and in the 2years I was with this individual, I was constantly forgiving him everytime he was caught in a lie. Manipulative, yes he was/is. What I don't understand is that (was to embarrassed to post) we were to get married, after signing the papers, and paying the fee, the following couple of days, he completely changed, and then called to say he didn't want to get married. I've cut off all contacts with him, and he contantly keeps writing, and won't take responsiblity for what he's done, but shifts the weight over to me. This individual is serving 10-Life (3rd prior). After reading this and the other post, "The effects of Incarceration", I have a huge understanding of his situation, and could only hope for the best when he's released. (I did a post-hurt & confused-wap'smamita)

I am sorry Luv2Luv, for all you went through with him. Its been tough with mine. I cannot have any conflict with him because he overreacts like a maniac. We can never solve anything because if I say anything he turns it around on me. He was even mocking me during the recent argument we had. Yes he has lied to me. He has gotten much better about this. It just really wears me out. Feel free to post or PM anytime. I understand.

This is one of best descriptions I have found for anti-social personality disorder [Resource at the end of the post]....
1. Pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others--occurring since the age of 15.
And, at least 3 of the following features:
1. Repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
2. Lying and conning
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. Irritability and aggressiveness
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others
6. Consistent irresponsibility
7. Lack of remorse
Some common traits include:
1. Feel little guilt over the trail of wreckage left in his/her wake
2. Exploitative
3. Lack of empathy for others
4. Maintenance of their inflated sense of self is a prime motivation for many of their actions.
5. Their image is central to their psychological workings; power and control is also a crucial motivator, as is thrill and excitement seeking.
6. Boredom is the enemy
7. Life is a game and the object is to win, preferably in the most exciting, grandiose style possible. Just as important, they want others to lose and for the loser to acknowledge this.
General Characteristics
Affect [feeling] is often angry, intimidation, smooth charm
World View is, "If you don't do what I want, you will be sorry." "They are the problem."
Social Functioning is episodic achievement
Motivation is power and image
Defenses used are rationalization, projection [putting blame/responsibility on others], ego inflation
Usual presenting problems include; legal problems, poly substance abuse, and/or parasitic relationships.
Resource: Dual Diagnosis [2nd Ed.] by Katie Evans and J. Michael Sullivan; Guilford Press; 2001.

As for me, my definition is short and to the point....I typically call 'em "people eaters" [figuratively NOT literally--lol].

egs: your post is very much to the poing.

egs: to the point :eek:

Wow!!

you all are well informed and knowlegable, rosita, i hope you are taking care of youself, maybe, and excuse me if i am overstepping your boundaries, look into counceling for yourself...so that you don't loose yourself in this relationship with your husband, my guy at times has behave as you described, and it is exhausting and draining..my guy acts out a lot when he is loaded, but, perhaps he uses getting loaded to allow him to be a brut, and luv2luv thank G-d you are out of that situation..a charming wolf in sheeps clothing is ez to fall for, and then wonder what happened when they suddently trip out...

i am curious about men who verbally threaten and bully their woman, mine does that when he is loaded, and from what i can tell he has led a street life for a long time he is now 35 been in and out since he was about 17... of course now he is as sweet as pie, and is very remorseful for his treatment of me..(he is locked up right now), can anyone recommend websites, or narratives of the apd or sociopath man, and how he behaves in a relationship...

thanks..
my hopes and prayers are with all of you..
francis

Francis,
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? It sounds like your boyfriend has a lifelong pattern of behaviors of some sort that has resulted in the same consequence...jail or prison. I would see his drinking as part of the whole problem--a big part that needs to be addressed nonetheless. I have seen many men and women with this type of personality disorder do quite well in substance abuse treatment and continuing participation in an ongoing support network post treatment.

To me, it really doesn't matter why he does what he does, or even under what circumstances, the fact is that as long as he can do it with you, it is you that bears the responsibility for your participation in allowing him to use you in such an abusive manner. Hope this doesn't sound too harsh....it's just that if you continue to make excuses/justifications/rationalizations for his behavior, you are doing the same for yourself...you can't control his behavior but you can limit your participation in it.

I'll bet if you put the words "antisocial personality" in google or some other search engine, you might find some interesting websites. There may be a newsgroup or two, too...check either the yahoo or google groups....

Ouch Francis

Egs really gave it you. However, Egs I must partially agree and then partially disagree. I agree that Francis may be an enabler. MAY is the big word here as we cannot pass judgement on a person by a few words she wrote.
I disagree on the "really doesn't matter why he does what he does, or even the crircumstances". Behavior happens in context. If you disregard the context and circumstance you are making attributions of one's character without paying attention to the situation. Coming up with a diagnosis or a label should be a careful, even tedious process, not a quick conclusive quickie. Gentle, gentle.
Peace

Hi remiella, and egs,

i do think the details of a situation as remeilla suggests make a difference in understanding, treatment, diagnosis etc. (if i mis-understood what you were saying, i apologize)

i know i would hate for my behavior to be judged out of context...

i also do know drug addicts who recover, and behave kindly, and responsibly, as well as non-violent when dealing with anger, tough situations... i do know plenty of people, however, during their addiction were very violent, paranoid, out-of-control...and if they had been diagnosed while they were using...they definitely could have been diagnosised, apd, psychotic, schzophrenic (i can't tell you how many people i know who saw/heard their sister talking to them through the television, messages from the devil etc), and i do know during my addiction i lived a life that i would never live if i was clean..

however, having said all that, i in no way want to be invovled in an abusive relationship, nor enable an addict in their addiction...so that is why i was trying to get an idea of what those diagnosed with apd, or sociopathology (excuse my lack of knowlege of terminology and dignosis) are like in relationships...and prognosis of recovery (for lack of a better word), treatment etc. be it cognitive-behavioral, psychoanalysis etc.

i in no way excuse or justify his behavior, i was simple expressing the circumstances in which this abusive behavior manifests..(verbal threats, and bullying me)...he has never hit me, but i know that could happen during one of his drug induced abusive episodes...

he is in prison because i called the police, i testified etc. i send him no money, pkgs, nor visit him...he knows he can not parole to me...and we can not be together until he stays straight for a period of time..(drug-free, working, going to mtgs, therapy..etc.) his career in prison has been all drug related...

i hope you all are doing well!
And, i wish you much peace!
francis

Francis

I admire your strength.

Peace

Francis, thanks for your comments. I have been to counciling before I was ever married to my husband. It does not work for me. I came from a dysfunctional family and needed help. Couciling has never changed or improved me. I might wind up divorcing this man. Mine does not drink he is just mean all on his own. And this crap is always directed at me. Even though I am the only one who helps him in any way. Or that even loves him. He seems determined to sabotage the only real relationship he has ever had. I am beginning to be very very angry about the way he has treated me. Anger gives me strength. I am going to lay down the law or I am going to be history.

Rosita,
you sound like a lovely person, and you deserve a loving relationship..it sounds like you are strong and wise...i will keep you in my hopes and prayers..

remeilla,
thank you for your support!!
you are quite knowlegable with a gentle touch, you should work in the recovery/healing/therapy field=}
best and peace to both of you
franics

Francis,
It sounds like you have a good plan in place...and I admire your ability to set these type of boundaries [expectations] on the relationship.

I did not intend to sound so confrontational in my previous post [although, after re-reading my post, it certainly may have come across this way]. I guess what I get concerned with in these type of discussions is where our focus takes us--that is, focusing on the partner's behavior as a major determinent in our lives. Speaking for myself, I have found when I did this in my relationship, I lost a big part of myself in the process and in doing so, lost my sense of control...lost a sense of being me. My needs and wants were constantly ignored or put aside b/c of where the focus, energy was directed and that was on my partner. And who put those needs aside? Well, the truth of the matter is I put them aside, made them secondary b/c I continued in a relationship that, over a long period of time, was clearly not going to change [diespite the fact that he is currently sober--the personality, that is, character defects, have remained and in some ways, are even more pervasive]. No longer will I put my life on hold for any man...any relationship...to wait and see if he does what he is supposed to do or not. I hope for the best for my ex-partner but my life will continue and grow independent of his and/or his behaviors/crises. If, one day, we find that there is a foundation to reignite a relationship, then we will go from there...but I honestly have my doubts. Part of me will always love this man but I lose too much in the process of that loving. For me, it's not just the loss of the relationship I grief, it's the loss of the "illusion" of the relationship [what I believed it could be only if....].

Hi egs!

thanks for your note!

i totally hear you!! and i know what you mean about not only loosing the relationship, but the dream!

i, too, have to work hard at not neglecting what i need, or over focusing on another, in some ways it is so habitual that i do not recognize what is happening, until all of sudden, the wait a minute, what am i doing hits..and, because, often if i don't help, or whatever..i feel so guilty..
how does that one line go...something like it is hard to set a boundary without not hurting someone else...i mean also there is that afterburn when you set a boundary...it is just about not acting on the afterburn, for it will pass...

anyway, i do have the fear of the future with this man, for of course i am powerless over him, and his addiction...and, i am very clear that if he relapses again, that is it for me

but, i am still curious, if you could recommend any books, i do have al-anon literature...but, i am not so sure, that he might end up even after staying clean, a mean man...i would like to be able to know the signs, or how these men act in relationships...(if they are in deed anti-social, or narcisitic, or fall intp any of those negative sort of personality disorders (for lack of better way to explain it), and yes though i want probably more important to read books to help me be strong, for encouragement, hope..etc..

i hope you are doing well!
best and peace to you and yours-
francis

Hi Francis

Thanks for the kind words. And yes I am in the field of therapy. How did you ever guess?
Peace

My husband is bi-polar. I am wondering what the chances are of him being able to cope and change behaviors. We have been together 5 years & for all of it he has been a drug addict. He does well for a while, then goes back to self medicating. I am wondering if I should even be doing this - waiting for 4 1/2 years & risking putting myself and my kids through this over and over again, you know? Any opinions?

I'm not sure if this question fits in this particular thread, but I hope someone could make sense of this situation. It was mentioned in a previous "reply to thread" here that my ex and I were to get married. After signing the papers for lic he went through a metamorphises,and mentioned he didn't want to get married. However, I received and unusal request from him in a recent letter. Here's an excerpt from the letter:


"My family believes we are married and that the way i want them to think."

I asked my cousin what did she think of this, and she had no response.

I"m hoping someone here would know.

:confused:

A very good book about Anti-Social Personality Disorder is called Bad Boys, Bad Men: Confronting Antisocial Personality Disorder by Donald W. Black, C. Lindon Larson