Hi everyone,

I am really having a hard time. If you are interested in the details of what happened to cause my man to go back to jail, you can see my first post.

Anyway- my love sent me copies of the police report, which included some paper from the parole board. On the parole board paper, there were listed 2 prior charges: History of weapons and battery on a peace officer. My man swore to me before this that he has NO history of any violent offenses, only drug possession. I was LIVID when I saw this- thinking he had lied to me so I hightailed it down to the jail this morning to ask him about it. He SWEARS, that he knew NOTHING about any such charges, SWEARS that he never possessed any weapons nor committed battery on a peace officer. SWEARS.

Now I have only been with him for 5 months. We are truly, madly and deeply in love. BUT I CAN'T GET OVER THIS. He told me he's never lied to me, WOULD never lie to me, and even got irritated that I was believing some government paper over him. I WANT to believe him- honesty is so very important to me. It is tearing me apart.

So tell me- I have never been involved with the law in my life before I met my bad boy (who I dearly love)----so I have no experience. Is it true that you can get false charges on your rap sheet, that police and parole agents lie (she told 2 lies that I know for a FACT are not true) ? Is there any way I can get a copy of his rap sheet (I'm in California). I NEED to know the TRUTH, it is driving me insane. IF I find out that they are indeed lies, you are going to see the biggest crusader or else I will be in a mental hospital because who can fight the system when they lie? Please give me honest opinions. Thank you so much.

I dunno, but I KNOW cops lie and some do. They pull confessions out of people all the time saying they have evidence or someone is going to testify about what happened, etc... Do we KNOW that he is being untruthful? NO, it would depend on what the report said and how well I know my man BEFORE I believed the report. I know that my husband got charged with burglary back in 2001, the initial report stated that he hit the victim with a brick in the head. When the police came to our house to arrest him, they told me that the guy involved would likely die during the night. OMG, are you serious?

THAT WAS A LIE. His friend got the assault case, BUT no brick was involved EVER. I was there at the house when this all happened. We have photos of the victim and he had a skinned up knee and arm. I hate to discourage your "crusade" but it will likely get you nowhere. Alot of us have been there, and dont get me wrong it is a beautiful thing that he has you on his team, but NOTHING is fair in the world of prison/jail/DOC. NOTHING.

You can get his criminal record. Here in Ky its a nominal fee, but its public info. Its not going to go into detail with what all happened on each charge. It will list each charge, and maybe if he got time or a fine on it. (this is how they are here). You might be able to contact the courthouse and speak to one of the clerks. They really aint supposed to tell you alot but I am certain if they think you might be at risk by him they will tell you SOMETHING.

Here in my town we can go to the courthouse and get on a computer and type a persons name in and it shows all their charges, punishments and etc. It will keep you from having to pay for the copy of the record.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the reports are probably accurate. NOW, it may not be as BAD as they wrote, but the likelihood of it being right is at best 90%. There aint no right/wrong in this system. Its US against THEM. Trust me, I have been victim more than once by the unjust system. I have had CO's straight lie and say my husband touched me inappropriately on visit, causing us to lose visits for 3 months, I have had police lie to me and say "they know" I was involved in his escape (I was, but they didnt really know) if they did "WHY" didnt they arrest me instead of scaring me into confessing I was involved?

Its all a game darling and the strong will survive. Best of luck

This website might help you - just follow the directions. Good luck.
http://criminalsearches.com/

Thanks for that. I came up with 9 traffic/other and 1 drug charge. Do you know how reliable this site is?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the reports are probably accurate. NOW, it may not be as BAD as they wrote, but the likelihood of it being right is at best 90%.

Thank you for your post. This part is scary- however, it was basically a "referral" as to what to do with him from the parole board. It said "send him to prison while awaiting trial" or something like that. He's still sitting in county jail. The police report was very accurate and truthful. His PO lied twice that I can prove, and once that my man said she did but I personally can't prove it but I have good reason to believe him. It's the weapons and battery that I'm concerned about- and it's not even the charge- it's the 'whether he was honest with me' that's bugging me. I am inclined to trust him but I don't want to be naive. I just don't like the way it makes me feel and I left him feeling very upset sitting in that jail cell. I feel horrible about the whole thing. My heart wants him to be telling me the truth and me being able to prove it for my own sanity. Does that make sense? Thanks for your help!

It is possible for things to be on your record that you weren't charged with. I have seen it happen twice to my x-husband somehow his dad's charges ended up on his record they have the same name. Also a friend of mine went to the local courthouse to get her what should have been clean criminal record for a job, another lady who shared the same name charges were on her record. She was able after a while to get it straightened out but not in time to get the job. So it can happen, so you can either trust what he is saying or look further into it and see if you can get a hold of the court documents to see if it was truly him.

No the sheets do not lie, however it could be listing crimes he was charged with but not convicted. Without seeing the paper I cannot tell you which way it is. As far as him not knowing about it, that is what I would have a hard time believing.

Here in Florida...we can go on the website of the county clerks office and see the 'rap sheet' of criminal and civil records.

People can also go into the court house to the records department and request copies of case (fill in the blank with the case number). Now, if it's a sensitive case (having to do with children or sex crimes), you will get what's called a 'washed' copy. That just means they have ran through the pages and wiped out the victims name(s). This will cost you 1 dollar a page, here in Florida.

Every thing that has happened has to be put on file and kept for so many years.

The only thing is you MUST know what county or else it's gonna be like a needle in a hay stack. Just because one record doesn't have it, doesn't mean that's the entire record of his past. He could have records in other counties.

I'm not saying he does, I have no idea...just that he could.

Now, as for the chic lying on him, that happens every day whether it was malicious intent or she just got him confused with another case.

But, any arrest record is public knowledge. As long as you know WHERE to look, and are willing to pay for it, you can find out everything about anyone. Unless he is some kind of secret agent, I guess. :)

Now, as for the chic lying on him, that happens every day whether it was malicious intent or she just got him confused with another case.

:)

I have had this hunch from the beginning because two of the lies she told are easily proved wrong- I don't know what's going on but I am going to find out. I think she's confusing him with some other guy.

Thank you so much everyone for your input and support! I really appreciate it! :)

it absolutely is possible. there were 60 charges on his (marc's) record. i was FURIOUS. he went to court swearing all those charges were NOT his. he was so adamant the judge allowed some type of continuance so the da could get the fingerprint cards. would you believe out of those 60 charges only 12 were his(determined by the fingerprint cards). but the police or whoever didn't lie. another dude was using his identity. i know it sounds unbelievable but it's true. i called the da and asked him myself(well, i left a voicemail) he returned my call and left me a voicemail telling me not all those charges were NOT marc's due to the fact the fingerprint cards didn't match up. these kind of things can and do happen. sad thing is, i don't know if i woulda taken only marc's word for it. hearing from the da clinched it for me. i knew there was no reason for the da to lie.

Marcsbeth, I know for a fact that someone was using my mans identity when we were living in my car, I was with him 24/7, and his veterans affairs officer accused him of being in jail the past weekend. He saw it on Vinelink.com. Well I KNEW he wasn't in jail because I was with him! So....that may be happening here....wow....you think these things only happen on TV. I guess I'm going to have to put on my investigators hat. What a mess but my man is worth fighting for!

Thanks for your post. :)

You really should try to get to the bottom of this, even if you can't, your boyfriend should try to if this isn't true. I mean wouldn't you want to know if it were your criminal history and it was false? There are ways to find out. I am in PA so I don't know what Ca. is like. But in PA, we have what is called Public Web Docket Sheets. It is a website run by the state and it lists all court and magistrate cases.
I got my husbands State Police Criminal Record, it cost me $10.00. The State Police record is what employers use and like when you go to buy a gun, it is the background check that is run. My husband has an old gun charge, he legally owned the gun, but he didn't have a permit to carry it, so anyways, the charge, we thought was a felony, but to our amazement, it is only a misdemeanor. So it is a good thing to get the State Police record, that was something that worked out in our favor, perhaps it will clear up what you are concerned about. I will say this, whatever comes back on the State Police record, it is all true, they don't make mistakes on those things, unless as Beth mentioned, someone was using his Identity, but seeing as he has been in trouble before, they have his prints on file, so if someone said they were him when they got arrested, as soon as they ran the prints, it would have come up that the person wasn't who he said he was. I mean clerical mistakes happen all the time as we know, the only thing you can do is do your own investigating on this. Criminal records are PUBLIC record. In some cases you may have to pay a nominal fee. but you may not also. To me, it is worth it to find out.

To me, it is worth it to find out.

Oh yes, it is definitely worth it and I will do what I can to find the truth. I think the courthouse is closed today but I will be there first thing in the morning for sure. Thank you.

Oh yes, it is definitely worth it and I will do what I can to find the truth. I think the courthouse is closed today but I will be there first thing in the morning for sure. Thank you.

To get a State Police record, you will need to know his Social Sec. # and his date of birth. Just so you know. If you don't know the Soc. Sec., you won't be able to get it.

Damn I know everything my husband ever did, right down to when he was 15, he got caught with cigarettes in school .... lol ....he didn't even smoke .

I do have his social and birthdate. Thank you for that tip. :)

You really should try to get to the bottom of this, even if you can't, your boyfriend should try to if this isn't true. I mean wouldn't you want to know if it were your criminal history and it was false? There are ways to find out. I am in PA so I don't know what Ca. is like. But in PA, we have what is called Public Web Docket Sheets. It is a website run by the state and it lists all court and magistrate cases.
I got my husbands State Police Criminal Record, it cost me $10.00. The State Police record is what employers use and like when you go to buy a gun, it is the background check that is run. My husband has an old gun charge, he legally owned the gun, but he didn't have a permit to carry it, so anyways, the charge, we thought was a felony, but to our amazement, it is only a misdemeanor. So it is a good thing to get the State Police record, that was something that worked out in our favor, perhaps it will clear up what you are concerned about. I will say this, whatever comes back on the State Police record, it is all true, they don't make mistakes on those things, unless as Beth mentioned, someone was using his Identity, but seeing as he has been in trouble before, they have his prints on file, so if someone said they were him when they got arrested, as soon as they ran the prints, it would have come up that the person wasn't who he said he was. I mean clerical mistakes happen all the time as we know, the only thing you can do is do your own investigating on this. Criminal records are PUBLIC record. In some cases you may have to pay a nominal fee. but you may not also. To me, it is worth it to find out.
i never heard of a state police record. that's good to know. i know in md. there's www.mdcourts.gov i got my ex-husband's there. pa was a lil more difficult to find. if a dude was really using your man's identity your man maybe telling the truth. i'm just naturally suspicious due to previous relationships and that's why i didn't take marc's word for it initially.

i'm just naturally suspicious due to previous relationships and that's why i didn't take marc's word for it initially.

Exactly, me too. He was so upset that I didn't believe him. I will get to the bottom of this though.

i never heard of a state police record. that's good to know. i know in md. there's www.mdcourts.gov (http://www.mdcourts.gov) i got my ex-husband's there. pa was a lil more difficult to find. if a dude was really using your man's identity your man maybe telling the truth. i'm just naturally suspicious due to previous relationships and that's why i didn't take marc's word for it initially.


I kind of became my own detective when Michael was arrested. I had to, lord knows the lawyers we PAID weren't doing their job. I had to learn quickly. The state police record is easy, all you have to do is go to the state police website. I think I still have the link if you should ever need it. It took a few weeks to receive it in the mail. The Web Docket sheets online, I had come across that a long time ago, when they first started it, so when he was arrested, I already knew about it. Otherwise, I never would have known you can just go online and look for FREE at anyone in the states criminal history.
Michael lied to the cops ONCE about his name ... yeah we are still paying for it 6 years later.(he kept violating over stupid technical shit) Instead of getting probation and or a fine for it which is what the law calls for, he got 1 year STATE PAROLE for it. He had never even been to state prison in his life nor did he have anything other than a few misdemeanors on his record. So he learned a very long lesson on not lying to the cops about your name, the judge slammed him big time for it. The funny thing was, he lied at first and then told the cops he lied, before they even figured it out. So I mean 1 year state parole for something that could have been easily handled in the magistrates office is a bit over the top. He certainly isn't the first teenager who has been in trouble and hasn't thought he could lie to get out of it. :rolleyes: When I was 15, I got caught underage drinking. Well I lied to the cops about my name and address, I was a dumbass and I thought they would just let me go with a citation. Yeah until the cops asked me who they could call to verify my name and to come and pick me up ...... lol .... I had to ask them if I could fill out the paper again, I felt like such an ass, but I didn't get into trouble for it. Hell, I never even got the citation in the mail for the underage drinking, it just goes to show you, females can get away with a hell of a lot more than males can.

OK sorry, back on topic .... lol ....

I had to ask them if I could fill out the paper again, I felt like such an ass, but I didn't get into trouble for it. Hell, I never even got the citation in the mail for the underage drinking, it just goes to show you, females can get away with a hell of a lot more than males can.


I had a similiar inncident when I was 17- I was getting a ride home from some friends and they had to make a stop on the way. They told me to stay in the car, and if the cops came to drive away. I was so naive. All of a sudden the car was surrounded and guns were pointed at me to "GET OUT OF THE CAR WITH YOUR HANDS UP!" Needless to say, the guys had stopped to rob somebody. THEY got away, but I was taken in for questioning. I had a temporary license, the paper one, where I had changed my birthdate BY PEN, so that I was 21 and I could drink. That didn't fool them. :o My parents were contacted and came and picked me up. I told them I would testify against the guys. I never heard another word about it- except when I went back to the bar, the guys girlfriends beat the crap out of me for saying I would testify. UGH. That was the last time I ever got in trouble with the law and I am 51 now. NOT that I haven't DESERVED to get in trouble, you see. ;)

Let me put it this way. My grandson's father has a Child Neglect charge on his rap sheet. Yes, he pled guilty to it. NO, he did NOT neglect my grandson. But, his lawyer advised him to take the plea deal because they were going after his parental rights and, in the Probate Court, they don't have to prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt". He took the plea. Did all that they required of him. And, the charge will come off his record in two more years of keeping his nose clean. (Not so much as a driving ticket or it sticks forever.)

Hi everyone,

I am really having a hard time. If you are interested in the details of what happened to cause my man to go back to jail, you can see my first post.

Anyway- my love sent me copies of the police report, which included some paper from the parole board. On the parole board paper, there were listed 2 prior charges: History of weapons and battery on a peace officer. My man swore to me before this that he has NO history of any violent offenses, only drug possession. I was LIVID when I saw this- thinking he had lied to me so I hightailed it down to the jail this morning to ask him about it. He SWEARS, that he knew NOTHING about any such charges, SWEARS that he never possessed any weapons nor committed battery on a peace officer. SWEARS.

Now I have only been with him for 5 months. We are truly, madly and deeply in love. BUT I CAN'T GET OVER THIS. He told me he's never lied to me, WOULD never lie to me, and even got irritated that I was believing some government paper over him. I WANT to believe him- honesty is so very important to me. It is tearing me apart.

So tell me- I have never been involved with the law in my life before I met my bad boy (who I dearly love)----so I have no experience. Is it true that you can get false charges on your rap sheet, that police and parole agents lie (she told 2 lies that I know for a FACT are not true) ? Is there any way I can get a copy of his rap sheet (I'm in California). I NEED to know the TRUTH, it is driving me insane. IF I find out that they are indeed lies, you are going to see the biggest crusader or else I will be in a mental hospital because who can fight the system when they lie? Please give me honest opinions. Thank you so much.


I know this from experance. The parole supervisor of this area had me picked up and held for 3 1/2 hours all the while yelling, and threatning me. During this time I wrote 4 statments and they would not let me go untill I wrote what they wanted me to write. During the hearing they pulled out the last statement(the one they told me word for word what to write) and none of the first ones. I started yelling at him to bring out the first ones I wrote. The parole supervisor was made to tell the hearing officer that I wrote other statments and they "got rid of them" He was made to tell him that he did yell at me and threaten to put me in jail if i didnt write what they wanted me to. But was anything done to him. Hell no. He walked out of the hearing smilling while my baby was sent back to a cell. Where do they get off making the rules as they go. What gives them the right to lie and cheat to put offenders back in prison. I think its because they only get 45.00 a month if they are out and get all that money every month to house them when they are locked up... I am sick of it. I want my baby home where he belongs. with me and our 6 boys. I miss him so much. I dont understand how this works and how they get away with doing what ever they want to do and locking ppl up :angry:

you gotta remember with any type of paper work it's only as good as the person who wrote it or typed it up

I just got back from the courthouse, and I read every paper in every file....HE DID NOT LIE TO ME!!!

I feel so relieved. Now I have to rush down to the jail to apologize- I'm sure he's been in agony since I accused him of lying on Sunday. :( We will get to the bottom of this but WHAT A SYSTEM EH? :angry:

Yes, you definately want to get to the bottom of what is in that file. If the parole board has a paper saying he had those charges and he never did, they are going to believe what is in his file, NOT what he says. So you should see what you can do to resolve this issue. It only makes him look bad. And lets face it, our guys don't need to be made to look any worse than they already do to the DOC and parole.
Go apologize, I am sure he will understand why you thought he was lying to you. He knows how the system works first hand, for many of us women, we must learn as we go along. I never believed anything any authority figure ever told me about my husband, I only ever listened to Michael. They will always make them out to be as bad as they possibly can.

It happens.

Since you're in California, see Perez-Torres v. State of California (2007) 42 Cal.4th 136.

Some official put the wrong identification number on the wrong guy's criminal history and that gave him someone else's criminal record.

Your guy can get a copy of his record and straighten it out from jail. See Penal Code sections 11120-11127. (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/It%20happens.%20%20See%20Perez-Torres%20v.%20State%20of%20California%20%282007%29 %2042%20Cal.4th%20136.%20%20The%20DOJ%20put%20the% 20wrong%20identification%20number%20on%20the%20wro ng%20guy.%20%20You%27re%20guy%20can%20get%20a%20co py%20of%20his%20record%20and%20straigen%20it%20out %20from%20jail.%20See%20Penal%20Code%20sections%20 11120-11127)

Go apologize, I am sure he will understand why you thought he was lying to you. He knows how the system works first hand, for many of us women, we must learn as we go along. I never believed anything any authority figure ever told me about my husband, I only ever listened to Michael. They will always make them out to be as bad as they possibly can.

My poor baby hasn't slept since Sunday, he was so hurt. I asked him if he understood why I had to check for myself and he gave me lots of reasons why so he really does get it. I will never ever ever EVER listen to anyone else again- especially the DOC- this is just awful. He is just a number to them- but he's my whole life. Thank you for the encouragement! :)

It happens.

Since you're in California, see Perez-Torres v. State of California (2007) 42 Cal.4th 136.

Some official put the wrong identification number on the wrong guy's criminal history and that gave him someone else's criminal record.

Your guy can get a copy of his record and straighten it out from jail. See (not allowed to post a link until I have 25 posts)

Thank you for the help- I appreciate it a lot- but- forgive my ignorance, I have NO idea how to look up a court case or the penal codes- the link does not work?

NEVERMIND- I Googled. :o Thank you!

Thank you for the help- I appreciate it a lot- but- forgive my ignorance, I have NO idea how to look up a court case or the penal codes- the link does not work?

NEVERMIND- I Googled. :o Thank you!

Sorry, I missed this. If you want to read the Supreme Court opinion, go here: courtinfo.ca.gov Click on searchable opinions, and in the search section paste this in (with the quotes). "42 Cal.4th 136" Or if you want to, choose find by cite and type in 42 in the first box, select Cal.4th from the drop down list and then type 136 in the last box/section. It will make more sense once you see it. To find the Penal Code sections, you can Google this: California Penal Code section 11120 (no quotes necessary). Hope this helps.

I would have to say that with my experience with probation/parole that yes sometimes the truth isn't always what is documented. That even goes back to the original charge that the probation or parole officers comments evolved from...here is an example...i am a female x-inmate who did 2.5 years for possession of pills.(hydrocodone,xanax, and valium) while getting my charge, i was in a parking lot that was beside a parking lot to a daycare facility, so nevertheless, they charged me with possession within 300 feet of a daycare facility. Not a good charge to have!!!! Anyway, the charge on my warrant reads possession within 300 feet, my record says... Saling and distributing on school property..... Now come on... Thats two totally different things. Possession is not saling, and within 300 feet is not on school property. The possession within 300 feet is already a bad enough charge, but for real they make it sound like i was saling pills to little kids at the daycare center. Its little things like that that make it hard for a "convict" to establish a better life. I have to admit, that to some degree i appreciate my time that i got because i was addicted to painkillers, and while incarcerated i got my mind right and got clean. I actually got my ged and took some college courses while in prison to better my self, and most of all i am not on any medication now, but needless to say.....how much better can i make my life when my charges read like they do. I am a mother and i can imagine how an employer would feel to read my criminal record and see the nature of my charges. Of course i have questioned the legal system on why my charge is listed as it is, and their response was that although i was charged with possession within 300 feet, it goes in the computer as a certain code and that is how it reads