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Kay
01-22-2009, 05:22 PM
One of our members has spent considerable time and effort gathering information about programs,registry, parole etc. for SOs in TX. Many thanks to her for her efforts.

Originally Posted by TiredOfTexas


Not sure where this should go, but I found the information useful and thought others might. I have just spent an entire weekend gathering data about programs for SOs: programs they have to attend in prison, and counselors approved for when they get out. All or part of this may be REQUIRED of a SO. It will depend on three things from what I have gathered:
Offense
Prison behavior
Parole Officer
I have an email and certified letter for back up out to the director of the SOEP and SOTP asking specific questions about the program, wait time, how many are allowed in at one time, which units it is offered at and how it is determined exactly which program they are put in and is it mandatory. Once I receive a response back I will post in this same thread.

Sex Offender Education Program (4 months) and Sex Offender Treatment Program (18) months currently offered at Hightower (both) and Goree(Only SOTP) units as far as I can tell: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/pgm&svcs/pgms&svcs-sexofftrtpgm.htm (http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/pgm&svcs/pgms&svcs-sexofftrtpgm.htm)

Who reports and for how long to the registry: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/pgm&svcs/sex-offender-mgt-grant/sex_offender_registration_form_rev_5.8.02.PDF (http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/pgm&svcs/sex-offender-mgt-grant/sex_offender_registration_form_rev_5.8.02.PDF)

Parole approved Sex Offense Counseling/Treatment Providers: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/parole/parole-contracts/parolecont-sexoffdr.htm (http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/parole/parole-contracts/parolecont-sexoffdr.htm)

All re-entry and rehabilitation programs available in Texas for Offenders: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/pgm&svcs/pgms&svcs-links.htm (http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/pgm&svcs/pgms&svcs-links.htm)

Parole Policies. This was very helpful in learning the "process" : http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/policy/p...s.htm#chapter2 (http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/policy/parole/parole-policies.htm#chapter2)
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TiredOfTexas
01-23-2009, 10:27 AM
Update!!!!
I received the following email repsonse in less than 24 hours mind you from the director of SO programs at TDCJ. My email questions to him is first and his response is next. Hope this helps someone else the way it has helped me.

Dear Mr. Bon-Jorno,

I would like more information about the two programs you conduct. The Sex Offender Education Program (SOEP) and the Sex Offender Treatment Program (SOTP).

1. Which units are these programs offered at?
2. How many offenders are enrolled in the program at any time?
3. How is it determined which program an offender would be enrolled in? Is this based on their offense, their intake interviews or recommendations by unit staff?
4. Is it mandatory that every sex offender go through either of these program prior to release on parole?
5. How many offenders are currently on the wait list?
6. How long is the average wait list time for the offender before being accepted into the class?
7. Is there another program offered outside of the unit while the offender is on parole?

Thank you for your prompt response in advance.

I hope that the following information answers your questions regarding our Sex Offender Rehabilitation Programs (SORP):

Sex Offender Rehabilitation Programs (SORP) are located on the following units:
Goree Unit located in Huntsville, Texas; 18 month - Sex Offender Treatment Program (SOTP), males only, capacity = 204

Hightower Unit located in Dayton, Texas; 18 month - SOTP, males only, capacity = 252; 4 month - Sex Offender Education Program (SOEP), males only, capacity = 111

Hilltop Unit in Gatesville, Texas; 18 month - SOTP; females only; capacity = 28


The Board of Pardons and Paroles (BPP) has a voting option called the Rehabilitation Tier Voting Option (FI-R) which designates that an offender must successfully complete a rehabilitation program and comply with all elements of the individual treatment plan (ITP) prior to release on parole. With an FI-4R or an FI-18R (see explanation below) the offender must meet the FI-R date and successfully complete a sex offender program before being released on parole.

Unless given an FI-R vote, offenders must typically be within 18 months of their release date, not parole review date, to qualify for participation in Sex Offender Rehabilitation Programs.

Voting Option Explanation:
FI-4R - Transfer to a TDCJ rehabilitation program. Release to parole only after program completion and not earlier than four months from specified date. Such TDCJ program shall be either the Sex Offender Education Program or the Sex Offender Treatment Program.

FI-18R - Transfer to a TDCJ rehabilitation program, then release to parole only after program completion and no earlier than 18 months from a specified date.

Currently there are approximately 162 offenders waiting to be enrolled into one of our programs – the average wait is about 4 months.

Offenders may be required to attend sex offender treatment while on parole. Those treatment sessions are coordinated between the offender’s parole officer and Licensed Sex Offender Treatment Providers (LSOTP) practicing in that community.

For more information about our programs you may want to visit our official website at the URL listed below.

http://tdcj.state.tx.us/pgm&svcs/pgms&svcs-sexofftrtpgm.htm (http://tdcj.state.tx.us/pgm&svcs/pgms&svcs-sexofftrtpgm.htm)

rudy1101
03-18-2009, 10:33 AM
Hi,
My friend is a SO. He was granted parole in december 08. The PB gave him a FI 4R. Last week he was transfered to the Goree Unit. There they told him he would have to do the 18 month program a FI 18R parolee would get, not the 4 month program he should do being that he is an FI 4. They wouldnt give him a reason why or tell him what authority they had to override a PB decision. I called the parole ombudsman's office and they told me that if my friend was a FI4 then no one at the prison could change him tho a FI18. they told me to call rehab and reentry. i spoke to the SOTP director and she told me that they could make him do an 18 month program w/o parole board approval. i asked her what if she had someone who was told to do a 18 mo program and they wanted to change him to a four month program, could she do that without parole board approval. She said no, they would have to send it back to the parole board. She said that they have an "unwritten understanding with the parole board". How can they add 14 mos to someone's sentence on a whim, but need permission to cut his sentence by 10mos. Can anyone give me any advice on who i need to contact so i can help my friend. he was scheduled to be released this May. Now they are saying his earliest release will be October 2010. His end sentence date is January 2011, 2 months after he would be released after the 18 month program. Why should he have to jump thru all of the hoops to go home maybe 2 month early under intensive supervision when he could just hold out an extra couple of months and get out and not have to jump thru any hoops except for registering. he wants to come home now. he has two boys who are really sick and his wife needs the financial and emotional support he could give. I'd appreciate any help. thanks

I_survived
06-21-2009, 08:52 PM
Most sex offenses involving children are classified as mental disorders (Pedophilia or other such ailments) and these people are housed on units that provide psychiatric services and medications, and those that don’t the inmates are often considered depressed or housed on protective wings on units that at least provide medications. Yet the SOTP is not offered on these psychiatric units and therefore the SOTP program for sex offenders who are classified with a mental disorders who really need the program are not able to participate.


Anyone also on the psychiatric case load for any reason is often denied the program as being unstable enough to participate. If they are actually house on psychiatric unit like Skyview or Montford forget about it.


Ask the director of the SOTP program if inmates on medication or the psychiatric case load can participate in the program. There might not be a definite answer or you might get the run around. (This will prove my point)


Even if an offender completes the program the chances of getting early release or parole is slim. The political environment in the world today all but wants to hang SO’s and the parole board doesn’t want to be seen as going easy or helping even paroling sex offenders as its political suicide so even with the completion of such a program parole for sex offenders is very slim.


If people are asking questions regarding the SOTP the first question to ask besides what inmates actually qualify to participate, is how many who have completed the program have had any early release or have been paroled before their long way discharge?

You have to remember this is a state run prison program and that should speak volumes unto itself.

(I must note that I had a good cellmate who was a sex offender and we spent hours talking about the system and the double standards and the Catch 22’s)

TX Inmate's Mom
07-30-2009, 08:26 PM
Thank you for all the time you spent researching this. So did I read it correctly, that my son who received 8 years sentence with possibility of parole in 4 years will not be released on parole unless he has completed one of the programs? Even if he did not complete one of the programs because they were full?

Tuffy79
08-19-2009, 03:02 PM
If the offender was 18 and was charged because he slept with an underage girl, 16 or 17, and the her dad pressed charges, does anyone know the chances of him making parole if he's done 8 of a 10 year sentence and if he'll be required to take any of the classes listed above? He's caught a few cases, but none since January and has completed his GED and some college courses during his incarceration and has also become an active participant in church activities.

CherryPie
08-30-2009, 01:32 PM
Basically this may seem sad, and heartless but in this world today, if they are marked as an SO, the parole board won't really care about the positive attributes they have accomplished. Unfortunately, most of our world is one sided, and believes people can not change.

TiredOfTexas
09-09-2009, 12:37 PM
Whether or not they have to go through one of the above programs is entirely discretionary. Meaning whoever is reviewing their parole file will make that decision contingent upon their release. I was told that if they have a plan of alternative proven treatment plan upon release, paid for and registered for they could be released with the stipulation they go into that program and complete it. My husband has not been ordered to go through any of these programs and has now completed Changes. He was denied his first parole and will come up for mandatory or short wave in November. So we should have an answer on that in late October or early November. ON a three year sentence he has served over a year now and even though his case is minor in relation to many others he still may get a serve all meaning he will serve the entire three years. Again, ALL SO cases are now treated as aggravated cases and they can pretty much do what they want. I suggest hiring a parole attorney of you can afford it.

RobinsMan
09-25-2009, 11:06 AM
A serveall means only that they must serve until their PRD which, in your husbands case, in only until November. In fact, if his short way date is in November then he was already given a servall on his last parole review. If he does not make his short way they will continue to review him for parole. Only for "3g" (aggravated) offenses does a serveall mean serve until their max date and even then they can always change their mind.

goodwife091572
12-31-2009, 06:57 PM
hello. my husband did 7 years for a SO in 1999
it was considered aggravated he did his entire time and did not get to parole
he said they offered it but he didn't take it as the conditions were not good
something like this
but my question is this. he is in now for a failure to register (even though he is registered) he went in twice and no one was there... and they called me... i took him up there to register and they arrested him .. awesome
now he is serving a year (court monday .. my attorney said this) they wanted 4 years. we took a deal on one year. does anyone know will he serve state jail or county jail? can he be a trustee or no frikin way? its not the original crime... it's failure. any info appreciated
county is 2 for 1 days right now. trustee is 3 for 1 days right now and state jail is day for day

piercedkitten83
01-01-2010, 07:40 PM
hello. my husband did 7 years for a SO in 1999
it was considered aggravated he did his entire time and did not get to parole
he said they offered it but he didn't take it as the conditions were not good
something like this
but my question is this. he is in now for a failure to register (even though he is registered) he went in twice and no one was there... and they called me... i took him up there to register and they arrested him .. awesome
now he is serving a year (court monday .. my attorney said this) they wanted 4 years. we took a deal on one year. does anyone know will he serve state jail or county jail? can he be a trustee or no frikin way? its not the original crime... it's failure. any info appreciated
county is 2 for 1 days right now. trustee is 3 for 1 days right now and state jail is day for day

hey there, my husband is also a SO. Just wanted to let you know that they don't allow SO's to be trustees. It's pretty sad. My husband had to go back for 2 years all because of 2 technical parole violations. He did not pic up any new charges and has been on great behavior the whole time. They still won't allow him to become a trustee.

joanie63
02-18-2010, 05:08 AM
i thinkd it depend on the judge if he orders him to spend the time in a county jail that is where your husband will go. normaly they are sent to a state prison and because of the ofense, so have to do 85% of their time.. my understanding the more that they do in takeing classes evevn if they don't have to is better for them. my husband go 3 years for not regerstering when he did but crap sometimes happens. it is sad because we know he did not do it, they did not have enough evidence he had 5 counts against him. now we were going to trial but changed our minds because he going to trial could have given him 50 years. we did not want to take the chance of him getting 10 years per count from the jurey, so the da gave him a 10 year probation and comunity hours and other classes to take. so now we are hear he has now been in 5 months and it is a drag. i wished that things could be different and have different classification so these people that get charged for something they did not do. i have been on both sides, my nephew was sexualy abused at the age of 4 and there was proof of the offence. now my husband has to be marked because his daughter in law was abused and she was looseing her husband so she had her two daughter from a first marrige accuse my husband so that she could keep my stepson from leaving her. needless to say my husband is marked and she kept her husband by sending him on a guilt trip. i hope this helps i did not mean to go on and on i just needed to vent.:angry:hello. my husband did 7 years for a SO in 1999
it was considered aggravated he did his entire time and did not get to parole
he said they offered it but he didn't take it as the conditions were not good
something like this
but my question is this. he is in now for a failure to register (even though he is registered) he went in twice and no one was there... and they called me... i took him up there to register and they arrested him .. awesome
now he is serving a year (court monday .. my attorney said this) they wanted 4 years. we took a deal on one year. does anyone know will he serve state jail or county jail? can he be a trustee or no frikin way? its not the original crime... it's failure. any info appreciated
county is 2 for 1 days right now. trustee is 3 for 1 days right now and state jail is day for day

babyguz1
04-27-2010, 02:22 PM
my husband also convicted so was granted parole after 14 1/2 years on a 25agg. it was his 4th time up. so's are not mandatory supervision eligible so they do their entire sentence unless paroled out, just means they don't get good time credit to lessen their time, sucks i know, he has to do the sotp program before release and that doesn't become available to an so until parole is granted, he was approved 3 months ago and still hasn't been transferred to the unit with that program. i know one who got an fi18r and he just transferred 2 weeks ago and when he got his slip for chain it had changed to an fi9r, on my mans parole granted paper it says fi18r, which class and the length of that class will be determined at a later date. hope his changes too.

bojo1955
06-21-2010, 08:04 AM
my bf is a registered sex offender who was accused in 1990 but on the advise of his court appointed attorney he accepted a plea deal 10 years probation - he did 8 years with no problem but was revoked when new judge assigned who thought he was taking too long to complete his community service - she sent him to prison for 5 years and he served all 5. This s.o. registration rule was not in effect when he went in but he was grandfathered in and now has to register. He had been out for over 5 years - registering and working as required. They caught him spending the night at my house one night and arrested him for failure to comply - his attorney told him no problem - he wouldn't serve one day - but after 1-1/2 years and 20,000 dollars he told him it would be best for him to accept a plea of two years since it would be impossible for a jury to give him less. So now he is again in prison and now has been in the review process since feb 16, 2010 and his interview was april 6 - still no decision - is this because he is a rso because I thought he would have a decision by now - any ideas?

KGTEXAS
06-28-2010, 01:12 PM
My husband was interviewed Aril 21st and was moved on last monday. And now he's at the Bryd unit has been all over Texas and landed there. Has anyone expierence this He's done half but when I call they say it's still on the boards desk. So if anyone has info on maybe what going on it would be helpful. They have told me on other times it might be medical.

bojo1955
07-22-2010, 05:19 PM
My husband was interviewed Aril 21st and was moved on last monday. And now he's at the Bryd unit has been all over Texas and landed there. Has anyone expierence this He's done half but when I call they say it's still on the boards desk. So if anyone has info on maybe what going on it would be helpful. They have told me on other times it might be medical.

Yea we got parole approval today. FI-4R - Looks like this means he will have to take the 4 month class. He took the class already on his original sentence - this was just the failure to comply. When will we find out if he gets in the class and does anyone know which units have he 4 month class. I heard it would be Huntsville or Dayton.
I'm excited but hope this class doesn't have a long wait list. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated

Tuffy79
07-24-2010, 12:52 PM
Yea we got parole approval today. FI-4R - Looks like this means he will have to take the 4 month class. He took the class already on his original sentence - this was just the failure to comply. When will we find out if he gets in the class and does anyone know which units have he 4 month class. I heard it would be Huntsville or Dayton.
I'm excited but hope this class doesn't have a long wait list. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated

First, congratulations on your loved one making parole. My husband got an FI-4R,too, and has to take a 4 month class as well. His will be at the Hightower Unit, I think it's in Dayton. I've been told there is a very long list. My husband is supposed to take the class in October, but I''ve been told they could change it to an FI 1 and send him home without the class if it's too full. Also, I called the unit and spoke to someone there and she told me the same thing. She also said since my husband is considered low risk then he has a good chance of being sent home early. Hope this helps. If you have any more questions feel free to pm me.

bojo1955
07-25-2010, 08:07 AM
First, congratulations on your loved one making parole. My husband got an FI-4R,too, and has to take a 4 month class as well. His will be at the Hightower Unit, I think it's in Dayton. I've been told there is a very long list. My husband is supposed to take the class in October, but I''ve been told they could change it to an FI 1 and send him home without the class if it's too full. Also, I called the unit and spoke to someone there and she told me the same thing. She also said since my husband is considered low risk then he has a good chance of being sent home early. Hope this helps. If you have any more questions feel free to pm me.

Wow that would be just great! I was getting a little nervous about the long wait list. Have they changed you man's release date on the locator site yet.
Glad you got good news - Crazy but after all the horror stories on this forum kind of felt a little guilty (briefly) since so many others are receiving bad new.

Hallwaywalker
08-05-2010, 10:00 PM
Wow that would be just great! I was getting a little nervous about the long wait list. Have they changed you man's release date on the locator site yet.
Glad you got good news - Crazy but after all the horror stories on this forum kind of felt a little guilty (briefly) since so many others are receiving bad new.

First of all, congrats to both of y'all who got good news!!! That is awesome!

And I want to second what you said about the horror stories - I think that there are a lot of folks who, for whatever reason, feel compelled to yank the rug out from under the feet of people who are hoping and praying for good news. I don't really understand that mindset, but I do see a lot - A LOT - of it around here. All in the name of having reasonable expectations, and "not getting your hopes up." I have to hope. If I don't hope, I don't have anything to keep going for, and I am not letting these bastards grind me down.

So congrats, and thanks for the info about the classes!!

TxHawker
08-20-2010, 02:29 PM
There seems to be a lot of contrary information on this thread concerning SO's in Texas. My buddy is serving the first of two, ten-year stacked sentences for CP. He's receiving good time credits and work time credits- in fact they credited him his full 14 months in county, so his first parole hearing is next July. We are expecting him not to make his first parole as he's been bounced around from unit to unit so has taken no courses that would help him with the parole board.

In regards to SO's not having a chance at parole- That is 100% wrong, and people shouldn't make those kind of statements on here, expecially when the families of SO's come here looking for help. For more information on the number of SO's that are paroled, you should look at the following: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/bpp/publications/AR%20FY%202009.pdf

Granted, the approval rate for parole for SO's is low- ranging from 21.44% to 17.11%. But it is not drastically lower than the approval rate for other offenses:

Violent Agg Non-Sexual Approval Rate: 24.29%
Violent Agg Sexual Approval Rate: 21.44%
Violent Non-Agg Non-Sexual Approval Rate: 20.91%
Non-Agg Sexual Approval Rate: 17.11%
Non-Violent Approval Rate: 35.76

Granted, I'm at a total loss as to why the percentage of approvals would be higher for Violent Aggravated Sexual than for Non-Aggravated Sexual. But SO laws in Texas make little sense anyway.The issue here is that Texas has one of the lowest parole approval rates in the entire U.S. (We also imprison more of our citizens- a full 5%) and hand out the longest sentences- go Texas- we're No. 1 (sadly.)

ilikbenme
08-20-2010, 02:51 PM
txhawker, i wondered why there were posts saying no parole and my man keeps telling me he's gone before the board twice with a third one coming up...he's been saying he'll be coming home one day before he has to serve all...just thought he was wishful thinking! Now, I understand that its never a guarantee for parole, but that's any sentence...I'm think in my head that it just might be a little bit harder for an SO, right?

Thanks for the information and the link...lots of help there!

TxHawker
08-20-2010, 03:20 PM
Yes- at least statistically it's harder, but a lot also has to do with what region they are in- some commissioners and board members are harder on certain types of offenses than others. But honestly we're not talking about a HUGE gap here for most types of offenses except the very lightest offenses. So keep your hopes up (and put together a killer parole presentation!)

txhawker, i wondered why there were posts saying no parole and my man keeps telling me he's gone before the board twice with a third one coming up...he's been saying he'll be coming home one day before he has to serve all...just thought he was wishful thinking! Now, I understand that its never a guarantee for parole, but that's any sentence...I'm think in my head that it just might be a little bit harder for an SO, right?

Thanks for the information and the link...lots of help there!

MommaBird22
09-04-2010, 03:26 PM
There seems to be a lot of contrary information on this thread concerning SO's in Texas. My buddy is serving the first of two, ten-year stacked sentences for CP. He's receiving good time credits and work time credits- in fact they credited him his full 14 months in county, so his first parole hearing is next July. We are expecting him not to make his first parole as he's been bounced around from unit to unit so has taken no courses that would help him with the parole board.

In regards to SO's not having a chance at parole- That is 100% wrong, and people shouldn't make those kind of statements on here, expecially when the families of SO's come here looking for help. For more information on the number of SO's that are paroled, you should look at the following: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/bpp/publications/AR%20FY%202009.pdf

Granted, the approval rate for parole for SO's is low- ranging from 21.44% to 17.11%. But it is not drastically lower than the approval rate for other offenses:

Violent Agg Non-Sexual Approval Rate: 24.29%
Violent Agg Sexual Approval Rate: 21.44%
Violent Non-Agg Non-Sexual Approval Rate: 20.91%
Non-Agg Sexual Approval Rate: 17.11%
Non-Violent Approval Rate: 35.76

Granted, I'm at a total loss as to why the percentage of approvals would be higher for Violent Aggravated Sexual than for Non-Aggravated Sexual. But SO laws in Texas make little sense anyway.The issue here is that Texas has one of the lowest parole approval rates in the entire U.S. (We also imprison more of our citizens- a full 5%) and hand out the longest sentences- go Texas- we're No. 1 (sadly.)

i think the non violent sexual is towards children whereas the violent sexual does not usually include a child. but im not sure about that

madmom098
09-05-2010, 10:48 AM
Most sex offenses involving children are classified as mental disorders (Pedophilia or other such ailments) and these people are housed on units that provide psychiatric services and medications, and those that donít the inmates are often considered depressed or housed on protective wings on units that at least provide medications. Yet the SOTP is not offered on these psychiatric units and therefore the SOTP program for sex offenders who are classified with a mental disorders who really need the program are not able to participate.


Anyone also on the psychiatric case load for any reason is often denied the program as being unstable enough to participate. If they are actually house on psychiatric unit like Skyview or Montford forget about it.


Ask the director of the SOTP program if inmates on medication or the psychiatric case load can participate in the program. There might not be a definite answer or you might get the run around. (This will prove my point)


Even if an offender completes the program the chances of getting early release or parole is slim. The political environment in the world today all but wants to hang SOís and the parole board doesnít want to be seen as going easy or helping even paroling sex offenders as its political suicide so even with the completion of such a program parole for sex offenders is very slim.


If people are asking questions regarding the SOTP the first question to ask besides what inmates actually qualify to participate, is how many who have completed the program have had any early release or have been paroled before their long way discharge?

You have to remember this is a state run prison program and that should speak volumes unto itself.

(I must note that I had a good cellmate who was a sex offender and we spent hours talking about the system and the double standards and the Catch 22ís)
That's just it. A SO can be a descent person,especially while locked up.But when it comes down to it, the sickness kicks in. and i don't think sickness should give them an excuse. My daughter's dad is in Marlin,Tx for child porn. They arrested him once for child porn and let him bail out. Then after the second arrest,they dropped the first count. He's supposedly looking at 2-5 yrs. I think that is horrifying. He needs a lot more help than that. He was always a terrible father,never around,always on meth and has many other suspicions over the years that have never made case. I think about this everyday. I don't know what to do.
So, how do i know if the prison he's in,in Marlin,tx will provide all the help he needs?

luvinhim24/7
09-05-2010, 12:40 PM
You shouldn't make judgements about all sex offenders based on what your daughter's dad did. There is more to some stories than is told or that people just don't want to hear about. Drug addicts and alcohols can recover so can murderers and sex offenders. You need to be careful about what you say. Not all sex offenses are committed with children but that's what everyone seems to think when they hear that word. And no, I don't think any prison can provide the all the help that ANY offender has committed. That's why there are so many that go back. Just my opinion.

Hallwaywalker
09-05-2010, 03:43 PM
Unfortunately, TDCJ is apparently more interested in vengeance than rehabilitation, judging from how they handle the classes that are offered to prisoners, how they are treated, and how parole is decided. I don't hold out much hope that there is a whole lot of treatment opportunities in jail for any sort of addiction or difficulty that leads to the bad choices some folks make...I think the answer lies within the individual, first and foremost, and then outside in the free world.

There are lots of resources out here for addicts, whether they be addicted to alcohol, pills or another type of drug, or sex. A good place to start for someone who has been struggling with issues related to and leading to a sexual offense is Sex Addicts Anonymous: http://saa-recovery.org/

I hope your ex gets the help that he needs, and works through all this okay.

madmom098
09-06-2010, 01:32 PM
You shouldn't make judgements about all sex offenders based on what your daughter's dad did. There is more to some stories than is told or that people just don't want to hear about. Drug addicts and alcohols can recover so can murderers and sex offenders. You need to be careful about what you say. Not all sex offenses are committed with children but that's what everyone seems to think when they hear that word. And no, I don't think any prison can provide the all the help that ANY offender has committed. That's why there are so many that go back. Just my opinion.

You are right, and i do apologize for making it sound like i was talking about ALL SO's. I DO believe people CAN change, and i am forgiving and understanding and compassionate to those who do make the change. And like you said there is more to the story than what is told. When it is a child, mine or any other, i imagine that is the cause for such hostility toward the subject. It is personal on my part. I want to believe that this ex of mine will find some kind of help, but first don't he have to admit his faults or weakness before he can begin? it's like drug addiction, or any addiction. To be able to be helped, you have to admit, accept, be honest. How will we know if and when he has actually made a true committment to his "recovery"?

luvinhim24/7
09-06-2010, 01:55 PM
You didnt offend me but I understand where you are coming from. Yes, in order for anyone to recover they first need to admit they have a problem. Sadly, alot of people don't want to admit to their problem and therefore, never recieve the help they need. If the prison system would focus something on rehabilitation and help for the offenders then maybe some of them won't go back. My husband committed a crime or he wouldn't be in prison but he's admitted that he screwed up and isnt blaming anyone but himself. He's not saying he's falsely imprisioned or that it was someone else's fault. To me, that is the first step he's made in rehabiliation. That and the fact that so far he's had 15 years to think about what he's done and the mess he made of his life, I doubt that he would make the same mistake again once he does get out. He's got a great loving and supportive family and he's well aware of the fact that he has a lot of work to do to make things right when he gets home. it won't be an easy road for him but he will do whatever it takes. Even if they didn't make him seek counseling or rehab when he gets out, he's going to go anyway because he wants to recover and he's admitted he has a problem.
Good luck to you. I know that if anyone ever hurt one of my children, I would take it personal too. Don't ever be sorry for being a good mother to your children.

madmom098
09-07-2010, 03:16 PM
You didnt offend me but I understand where you are coming from. Yes, in order for anyone to recover they first need to admit they have a problem. Sadly, alot of people don't want to admit to their problem and therefore, never recieve the help they need. If the prison system would focus something on rehabilitation and help for the offenders then maybe some of them won't go back. My husband committed a crime or he wouldn't be in prison but he's admitted that he screwed up and isnt blaming anyone but himself. He's not saying he's falsely imprisioned or that it was someone else's fault. To me, that is the first step he's made in rehabiliation. That and the fact that so far he's had 15 years to think about what he's done and the mess he made of his life, I doubt that he would make the same mistake again once he does get out. He's got a great loving and supportive family and he's well aware of the fact that he has a lot of work to do to make things right when he gets home. it won't be an easy road for him but he will do whatever it takes. Even if they didn't make him seek counseling or rehab when he gets out, he's going to go anyway because he wants to recover and he's admitted he has a problem.
Good luck to you. I know that if anyone ever hurt one of my children, I would take it personal too. Don't ever be sorry for being a good mother to your children.
because of people like you, people like me can do this. Thank you for your words of understanding and courage. You've hung on and stuck with it thru it all. That takes a lot of a lot of things. May you both be blessed for it.

bojo1955
09-22-2010, 04:57 AM
I am desperately trying to understand what may be going on with my bf and any ideas you may have will be greatly appreciated. He is currently serving 2 year sentence that began in Jan 2010 - he was interviewed for parole in April and was approved FI-4R. It was my understanding this would require him to take a 4 month class which I heard had a 6 month waiting period so we thought maybe he would be coming home in July 2011. Then yesterday I received 2 messages on my home phone while at work - the first one was from our local parole office to discuss a Residence Plan the and I will contact them first thing this morning, the other was from the lead voter who left a message that it was important that I contact his office and let them know I was indeed aware that my address was to be used for parolee and he needed to hear from me prior to 8 pm. Well I got the message at 6 pm and called several times, finally leaving two messages and even calling the emergency number and leaving a message on that line as well. Do you have any thoughts on what may be going on? I thought we would not hear from anyone until he was really close to release - Could this be good news?

KGTEXAS
09-22-2010, 03:47 PM
Hello BOJO MY HUSBAND RECIEVED THE SAME RELEASE. BUT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO START CLASS UNTIL MARCH WHICH IS ALSO A SIX MONTH WAITING PERIOD. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR THEM TO CALLYOU AFTER HE MADE PAROLE. I HOPE THEY WILLCALL ME SOON

bojo1955
09-22-2010, 04:06 PM
Hello BOJO MY HUSBAND RECIEVED THE SAME RELEASE. BUT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO START CLASS UNTIL MARCH WHICH IS ALSO A SIX MONTH WAITING PERIOD. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR THEM TO CALLYOU AFTER HE MADE PAROLE. I HOPE THEY WILLCALL ME SOON

They just approved his parole in late July and yesterday was the first I had heard about having a residential plan approval. The local p.o. officer came by while I was at work and when I called this morning they said because they could not contact me his plan was denied. I asked what can I do now - he was very nice and said he would start over again today - he faxed me some papers, had a little short interview type conversation and just a few minutes ago I received the news that his residential plan had passed and he would be contacting me again with a release date and a date for installation of monitoring equipment. He said he didn't have any information about release date or class status but that I could a number for release information in a couple of weeks. Hope this helps you during the wait. Almost everyone seems to think this means he will be release soon but I am trying not to get too excited yet. Feel free to pm me anytime.

KGTEXAS
09-22-2010, 05:20 PM
Thank you because it's been a journey for everyone wanting there love ones home. My husband had revocation and have serve seven years if he had made it would have been dismissed. But through it all we have made it.We are in the same house so I hope it will be approved. He found out through the IPO about his release but I called yesterday and that's the Austin and Huntsville and they both said he's been approved we had no lawyer just the Lord and thats enough it's been five years he did not bring us this far to leave us so hold on they are coming home.Praying one for another

IMHISGIRL4EVER
09-22-2010, 08:04 PM
i have a question...

how do u deal with someone that u love & that u knwn b4 all this shit happen when he raped someone else a year later??should u leave him alone or just take him for all his mistakes..cuz we are not all perfect...then that girl kum from a family who doesnt like bad people..cuz her father was a police officer..any advice!!

Kay
09-24-2010, 05:53 PM
IMHISGIRL4EVER, actually you are the only person who can answer that question for yourself. You knew him before all this happened and know what kind of person he really is. You might find some answers here: Loving a Sex Offender (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=101). Good luck to both of you!

TiredOfTexas
06-14-2011, 08:52 PM
UPDATE: If you are looking for a private halfway house for your SO inmate to parole to please PM me with the area you would like him to parole to and i will send you the name of a couple places in that area. I have made a list twice and it changes so quickly that it is a futile attempt, but I have made many contacts and can point you in the right direction. These halfway houses are already TDCJ Parole approved so making them part of their parole plan is pretty easy. They have more freedom at these places, can sometimes have cell phones and have liberal visitation. A TDCJ contracted halfway house is not much better than prison. If you have questions about state contracted Beaumont Center or Ben Reid I have info on those as well.

My other advice is once your guy is released, get to know his parole office personally. I have found that if they believe he has support they are more willing to work with you. For my guy it has been a trip around Texas with a stay in two contracted HW houses and 2 private HW houses.Good news is only 45 more days till parole has no more hold!

larrylynch
07-04-2011, 01:56 PM
"You shouldn't make judgements about all sex offenders based on what your daughter's dad did."
~ luvinhim24/7

But this is just what people do. And as long as law enforcement and the press use a blanket term like "sex offender" to refer to everything from a high school senior with a freshman girlfriend to a 45-year-old who's violently raped his 6-year-old niece, nothing is going to change. The public is deliberately kept in a state of panic by use of such an inaccurate label, and that's just how law enforcement likes to keep it. Ignorant voters = wasteful government programs = jobs for lots of friends and family = votes for the politicians who guarantee their jobs. It's an American tradition. Happy July 4th!

Star_Loving
08-28-2011, 08:13 PM
The judge in my son's case court ordered him to a Mental Health SO unit, yet TDCJ does not have him on such a unit. How do I advocate for this transfer? The judge also ordered a psych eval prior to release, will that be looked at by Parole? What if TDCJ never puts him on the unit the Judge required, will that prevent his early release because of their oversight?

TxHawker
08-30-2011, 10:27 AM
Not sure I know all the answers to this but I've never heard of a TDCJ mental health SO unit. SO's are typically sent to the regular units. What unit they end up on is based on a number of criteria such as their age, health, etc. A lot of times it is simply a matter of space for him, but by and large I think TDCJ tries to keep SO's out of the worst yards because they are frequentlytargeted by other inmates. Also as far as I know, anyone sentenced as an SO will have to complete one of two mandated courses- one is 4 months long and the other is 18 months long. These cannot be started until after parole is granted (meaning they get to keep your son an additional 4 to 18 months, plus there is usually a wait to get into these anywhere from 6 months to a year.

In regards to a psyc eval, all inmates go through an initial evaluation upon entering TDCJ. It's not in-deapth- just more to determine if they pose a damger to others, are gang members, etc. The parole board sees everything that has to do with an inmate- good time earned, and infractions ("cases") that he may have received for violating a rule etc.

Hope that helps at least some-

The judge in my son's case court ordered him to a Mental Health SO unit, yet TDCJ does not have him on such a unit. How do I advocate for this transfer? The judge also ordered a psych eval prior to release, will that be looked at by Parole? What if TDCJ never puts him on the unit the Judge required, will that prevent his early release because of their oversight?

missnmeyeson
09-01-2011, 09:33 AM
"You shouldn't make judgements about all sex offenders based on what your daughter's dad did."
~ luvinhim24/7

But this is just what people do. And as long as law enforcement and the press use a blanket term like "sex offender" to refer to everything from a high school senior with a freshman girlfriend to a 45-year-old who's violently raped his 6-year-old niece, nothing is going to change. The public is deliberately kept in a state of panic by use of such an inaccurate label, and that's just how law enforcement likes to keep it. Ignorant voters = wasteful government programs = jobs for lots of friends and family = votes for the politicians who guarantee their jobs. It's an American tradition. Happy July 4th!

Right on Larry! Woo hoo Well said. :thumbsup: A+++ but check your email today legislature has finally begun to change the laws "Romeo Juliet " laws change effective today! 4 yrs age difference/ "victim" 14 yrs and older apply. It's a huge victory for our Highschool boys :D

deerwoman
09-15-2011, 01:19 PM
I feel better reading this forum. My son a SO, will be up for parole in April of next year. He made a mistake with a minor and has not been in trouble since, but is incarcerated for probation violation. This will be first time up for parole and I have been sorta holding breath and probably will until it's over.

bojo1955
10-01-2011, 06:10 AM
I feel better reading this forum. My son a SO, will be up for parole in April of next year. He made a mistake with a minor and has not been in trouble since, but is incarcerated for probation violation. This will be first time up for parole and I have been sorta holding breath and probably will until it's over.

Deerwoman I know what you are going through but don't give up hope. My bf was approved for parole his first time up. Good Luck and God Bless..

waitingformyluv
11-19-2011, 07:55 PM
My BF is on his way to TDCJ soon with the charge of "Failure to Register on Time". The law says that they have to notify their reporting officer within 7 days of moving, he was a few days late reporting when he moved, but did register and was honest about the dates of when he moved...he could of lied I guess, just not him. Anyways....I could go on and on how this is not a fair punishment, BUT.....:(

He was given a 2 year sentence. His lawyer says his original charge is a 3G offense. Can anyone tell me what the odds are for him getting an early release?

Thanks in advance for any help!:)

keith74mom
11-28-2011, 05:48 PM
From what I have read- if it is 3g- he must do half before he can go up for parole.


My BF is on his way to TDCJ soon with the charge of "Failure to Register on Time". The law says that they have to notify their reporting officer within 7 days of moving, he was a few days late reporting when he moved, but did register and was honest about the dates of when he moved...he could of lied I guess, just not him. Anyways....I could go on and on how this is not a fair punishment, BUT.....:(

He was given a 2 year sentence. His lawyer says his original charge is a 3G offense. Can anyone tell me what the odds are for him getting an early release?

Thanks in advance for any help!:)

TxHawker
11-29-2011, 06:34 PM
I'm not sure, but I don't think they would use his initial 3G offense as the bases for determining the length of punishment for a simple failure to register. I could be wrong, but that would basically be punishing him twice for the same crime. Maybe someone with more insight can post on this. I'd think if all he is serving time for is failure to register, then he would be up for parole after serving 1/4 of his sentence.

JoeJacksonJr
11-30-2011, 12:25 AM
It is very sad that people are being treated as if they can't change. and it is true, they have grouped all sex cases as the same. I got accused of rape back in 1994 and did 10 years for a crime I did not commit. I was released in 2001 and have not looked back nor have I been able to advance to far foward because of these newly concocted laws that have been retroacted onto every case, no matter the relation. I was convicted with a grown woman, 21 at the time, and I was 24. I now live in Florida and although I should have been released with no further requirements, I now have to register 4 times a year. Noone wants to rent to me, and it's hard to find steady work. I've heard Texas was better in the area of registration, especially if you've been out over 10 yrs. with no priors or concourences. Does anyone know how the registration works in Texas for someone like me? I was thinking about moving back there. I have never been in trouble before or after this felony, it is the only one I have.

Tazgirl
12-20-2011, 07:08 PM
Wow. I've been on pto for years and this is the first time I've come across this thread... Talk about oblivious. Going to spend some time reading up here for sure. HOWDY Y'ALL!!

Tazgirl
12-20-2011, 07:33 PM
Now I have soo many questions. My hubby was approved for parole a year ago and is STILL waiting to start the 18 month SOTP. Who can I contact about why he hasn't started yet? Phone numbers, email, links. I'll just bombard them with this. And this is just my first question. Gonna have to go back and reread and such.

Tazgirl
01-03-2012, 10:40 AM
Alright, I called the coordinator for SOTP in Texas because hubby has already been waiting over a year to start. Parole was approved December 2010. They scheduled him to start in July 2011. Which I was informed (and pretty much already knew) was a joke. Anyway, for those of you in Texas who have a loved one waiting for this class, at the moment there is a 13 month wait. Am hoping since we've already been waiting a year we'll only have to wait another few months but with TDCJ who knows! Anyway, just thought I'd share. This info may be useful to someone else here as well.

Tazgirl
01-03-2012, 10:45 AM
Also, I should clarify that this applies to the 18 month SOTP. I don't know about the 4 month SOEP.

TxHawker
01-03-2012, 01:56 PM
...and of course they will pay us for our LO's lost wages during this time. How can this possibly be legal? I thought I heard a rumor (most likely just that- a rumor) that they were lowering the 18 month course to 9 months due to costs.

deraysgirl
01-03-2012, 06:27 PM
He has waited over a YEAR and still has not taken the class? Oh my...
So if my hubby gets approved for parole next year he still will have to wait???

Tazgirl
01-03-2012, 06:31 PM
...and of course they will pay us for our LO's lost wages during this time. How can this possibly be legal? I thought I heard a rumor (most likely just that- a rumor) that they were lowering the 18 month course to 9 months due to costs.

I've heard the same rumor. Haven't been able to confirm though. And of course I didn't think to ask. Hubby says he knows a guy who has to take a 9 month SOTP though.

Tazgirl
01-03-2012, 06:34 PM
He has waited over a YEAR and still has not taken the class? Oh my...
So if my hubby gets approved for parole next year he still will have to wait???

Yes ma'am. On both. They have to get the ones who have estimated release dates through first. When they make parole they don't get a release date UNTIL they complete that program. :(

deraysgirl
01-03-2012, 07:25 PM
Taz, I want answers too! it seems like they would start them in the program at least when his parole was approved! Who can we contact?

Tazgirl
01-04-2012, 11:36 AM
Taz, I want answers too! it seems like they would start them in the program at least when his parole was approved! Who can we contact?

At the beginning of this thread there is the information of who to contact about SOTP. Basically what they told me though is that they have to get the ones who are getting close to their PRD through first. Parole is not a release date. And SOs who make parole do not get a release date until they've finished whatever programs they've been ordered to do. Which I assume applies to ALL parolees not just SOs. I know it's disheartening to know that once parole is approved they still have to wait to get into these programs. But at least we know they're coming home.

drallac
01-23-2012, 06:49 AM
Most sex offenses involving children are classified as mental disorders (Pedophilia or other such ailments) and these people are housed on units that provide psychiatric services and medications, and those that donít the inmates are often considered depressed or housed on protective wings on units that at least provide medications. Yet the SOTP is not offered on these psychiatric units and therefore the SOTP program for sex offenders who are classified with a mental disorders who really need the program are not able to participate.

Really old reply, but since this thread is still getting responses...

AFAIK, there are a few units where they prefer to funnel sex offenders, like "The Walls" is probably 50%+ sex offenders. I wouldn't say those inmates were housed in 'protected wings' or 'provided medications' (for pedophilia/pederasty??), though...

legaleagletx
04-09-2012, 05:22 PM
My LO claims that the 18 month SO program was elimintated because of high cost and low completion rates. Anyone on this board able to confirm?

Tazgirl
04-10-2012, 01:00 PM
My LO claims that the 18 month SO program was elimintated because of high cost and low completion rates. Anyone on this board able to confirm?

My hubby has been telling me about rumors that it was being changed to 9 months. But so far that I'm aware of it hasn't been confirmed. Although perhaps that's something I should ask about next time I call....will definitely update if I can find out anything new.

Tazgirl
04-12-2012, 10:21 PM
My LO claims that the 18 month SO program was elimintated because of high cost and low completion rates. Anyone on this board able to confirm?

I did find out that there IS a 9 month program. However, it looks like they've added that one but also kept the 18 month program.

TxHawker
04-13-2012, 02:42 PM
The 18 month course is still in effect. Due to budget restraints imposed by our wonderful governor, TDCJ only has limited classes and openings- the result being that you may have to wait a year (or more) to even get into the class, and you can't start the class until you've made parole, so it essentially keeps them in almost three years longer after they make parole. How or why that is legal I have no idea.

Tazgirl
04-14-2012, 09:54 PM
Yep. My hubby's been waiting officially been waiting 16 months to start the 18 month program. :( And when I call they tell me there's still a 13 month wait...

deerwoman
04-16-2012, 08:57 AM
Wow, that blows my bubble. I guess I won't expect my son to get home for another 3 years. By that time he would have 2 more years to go to complete his sentence. That sux.

EdieGirl
04-24-2012, 06:20 PM
So all this being said, can they stay longer than their PRD if they make parole and are STILL waiting for a class AFTER their original PRD? And just to be sure I understand, the PRD and maximum sentence date are one and the same, correct?

Sunshine46
04-26-2012, 08:18 AM
So all this being said, can they stay longer than their PRD if they make parole and are STILL waiting for a class AFTER their original PRD? And just to be sure I understand, the PRD and maximum sentence date are one and the same, correct?

For some the PRD and the max date is NOT the same. If their PRD is the same as their maximum date then they cannot stay longer. They are released on their maximum date. For those who make parole and their PRD is shorter then their max out then they may stay longer to complete programs.

KK7926
05-07-2012, 10:22 AM
I understand the frustration!!! Going through the same waiting game with my husband. He was granted an FI -4R (4 mo s.o education class) back in November. His paperwork stated an estimated start date of February 2012 and an estimated completion date of June 2012. However he is still waiting. When I called the number for programs I was told the wait time is about 6 months for the four month program and that even though he got his decision in November his "wait time" didn't start until february. Don't get me wrong i'm excited to know he is coming home but the unknown of when that will be is frustrating!!!!!!

BamaInmateBro
05-09-2012, 05:01 PM
First I want to say congrats to the friends and families who have someone who was approved for their parole as an SO. It is NOT easy to get parole, and even more difficult to get the first one for an SO. Please read this post with an open mind, and know that it is in no way meant to incite arguements, or to take away from the OP in any way, shape, or form.



I have read a lot of information here, and would like to clarify some for those who are interested. To simplify myself, I am NOT the son, brother, friend, or spouse of a sex offender. I AM a paroled sex offended from TDCJ.

Here is my background, so you can understand some of what happened, and may or may not be related to the situation you are dealing with. I was arrested in June, 2009 for CP. I won't get into details, because there is no need. I was finally sentenced after 7 months of deals and counter-deals to 5 years. In January I was processed into TDCJ at Holiday unit, where most everyone in the region gets processed in. Now here the dates will get confusing, I will try to explain the best that I can. When I was processed I was kept at Holiday as my temporary assigned unit. TDCJ can keep a person in transfer facilities for up to 2 years before they are supposed to permanently house you (permanent being an unused phrase since people get moved around a lot)

While at Holiday I came up for parole, because when processed, I was given credit for not only the 7 months of flat time (read actual, physical time) that I served, but was also given credit for 4 months of "bonus" time for doing an education program, and 7 more months of "good behavior" time. So when I arrived at TDCJ for processing, I was technically sitting at 18 months of time credits. On a 5 year sentence for a non-agravated charge, 18 months put me into parole eligible status.

In April 2010 I saw parole, and received my FI4R approval in May. I was transferred from Holiday to Goodman unit (another transfer unit) where I was enrolled in "Changes II", a program for all inmates that are anticipating release within 2 years. I was put on the waiting list for the 4-month SOEP program at the time of parole approval. Classes were full, and I sat at Goodman unit for 9 months before I caught chain to go to Hightower Unit in Dayton, TX.

I arrived at Hightower end of January, 2011, where I waited an additional month for my class to start. at Hightower they do their best to keep the 18 month program offenders separated from the 4 month program offenders. Not as a rule, but so that they can help each other through the programs. I was short-housed in "L" wing with the 18 month program offenders until the day before my class started, where the moved me to "N" wing. (N and M wings are primarily 4-month offender wings in the same building, which has 3 wings, and the "L" wing is in the same building. We still do recreation together, and see each other normally, we just don't live on the same wing)

After completing the program on the 10th of July, 2011, I was moved to another unit, and on August 15th, 2011, I was released to parole out of state.

So even though I was approved for the FI4R, I had to wait close to 9 months to get into the SOEP program. My first cell mate at Hightower was in the 18 month program, and he said after his parole approval, it took him nearly 12 months to get in. I have talked PERSONALLY to many that were in MY SAME CLASS and each had a different wait time. Some had waited 10 or 11 months, others only 6 or 7 months. It is based on several condition, and this is why sometimes some people get "wait-listed" :

EXAMPLE: Ofender A is approved for his FI4R in January. His PRD (projected release date) is in December. Offender B is approved for his FI4R in March, and HIS release PRD is in November. Offender B will take his class BEFORE offender A, because his release date is earlier, and in order to get released, he MUST at a minimum be enrolled in class. I know this because of PERSONAL experience. I met a guy that was in the class that graduated 2 weeks before mine, and he didn't get his parole approval until 4 months after mine, but since his release date was before my release date, he was sent to the program faster. This is also why sometimes the families are told their Offender gets "pushed back" on the list.

To answer a few of the comments and questions posed, I will only comment on those PERSONALLY experienced by myself, or someone I was housed with AT HIGHTOWER, which is the only location for the 4-month program.

Rumor 1: Any sex offender is automatically an aggravated case, or 3g.
Truth: This is false. I am a perfect example. My case and sentence were neither aggravated, nor 3g.

Rumor 2 Any sex offender is not eligible for mandatory supervision.
Truth : This also is false. My time sheet through my entire time reflected that I was Mandatory eligibility :yes

Rumor 3: An offender can get sent home early if classes are full.
Truth: This is false. If classes are full, you will wait until an opening is available, or your entire sentence is served. They can, and have taken short-way as well as good time away from offenders to assure that they have completed the assigned class. (NOTE: I knew of ONE case of someone who was assigned an FI4R, but ended up in the 4 month program because he was not able to get an open class for the 18 month before his time would have been served.) If you are assigned to the sex offender program, be it FI4R, FI9R, or FI18R, you WILL take one of the programs.

Rumor 4: This is based on a quote: "I think the non violent sexual is towards children whereas the violent sexual does not usually include a child. but im not sure about that"
Truth: this is incorrect. in actuality, most of the crimes against children are the opposite, considered violent in most cases, because a child can NEVER give consent. but this information is based on what I have gathered inside, so not 100%. (i.e. "Aggravated sexual assault of a child" is considered a violent charge.)

I hope what I have posted here helps someone get some insight on what goes on "behind" the wall. If you have any questions or comments, PLEASE feel free. I am more than willing to answer questions, but I WILL tell you if I don't know the answer for a fact.

On a side note, PLEASE save your money and dont buy your offender a magazine subscription, or any books if their program is starting soon. SOs that are taking classes cannot receive ANY material in the mail that is not religiously oriented, and even THAT has to be approved. My family lost out on nearly $100 in magazine subscriptions that they bought me for when I was in.

BamaInmateBro
05-09-2012, 05:05 PM
I understand the frustration!!! Going through the same waiting game with my husband. He was granted an FI -4R (4 mo s.o education class) back in November. His paperwork stated an estimated start date of February 2012 and an estimated completion date of June 2012. However he is still waiting. When I called the number for programs I was told the wait time is about 6 months for the four month program and that even though he got his decision in November his "wait time" didn't start until february. Don't get me wrong i'm excited to know he is coming home but the unknown of when that will be is frustrating!!!!!!

I was given my FI4R in May, 2010, and my expected start date was August of 2010. I started my program in March of 2011. Read my post above on the details. Tell him good luck, and be smart.

Tazgirl
05-09-2012, 10:14 PM
First I want to say congrats to the friends and families who have someone who was approved for their parole as an SO. It is NOT easy to get parole, and even more difficult to get the first one for an SO. Please read this post with an open mind, and know that it is in no way meant to incite arguements, or to take away from the OP in any way, shape, or form.

I have read a lot of information here, and would like to clarify some for those who are interested. To simplify myself, I am NOT the son, brother, friend, or spouse of a sex offender. I AM a paroled sex offended from TDCJ.

Here is my background, so you can understand some of what happened, and may or may not be related to the situation you are dealing with. I was arrested in June, 2009 for CP. I won't get into details, because there is no need. I was finally sentenced after 7 months of deals and counter-deals to 5 years. In January I was processed into TDCJ at Holiday unit, where most everyone in the region gets processed in. Now here the dates will get confusing, I will try to explain the best that I can. When I was processed I was kept at Holiday as my temporary assigned unit. TDCJ can keep a person in transfer facilities for up to 2 years before they are supposed to permanently house you (permanent being an unused phrase since people get moved around a lot)

While at Holiday I came up for parole, because when processed, I was given credit for not only the 7 months of flat time (read actual, physical time) that I served, but was also given credit for 4 months of "bonus" time for doing an education program, and 7 more months of "good behavior" time. So when I arrived at TDCJ for processing, I was technically sitting at 18 months of time credits. On a 5 year sentence for a non-agravated charge, 18 months put me into parole eligible status.

In April 2010 I saw parole, and received my FI4R approval in May. I was transferred from Holiday to Goodman unit (another transfer unit) where I was enrolled in "Changes II", a program for all inmates that are anticipating release within 2 years. I was put on the waiting list for the 4-month SOEP program at the time of parole approval. Classes were full, and I sat at Goodman unit for 9 months before I caught chain to go to Hightower Unit in Dayton, TX.

I arrived at Hightower end of January, 2011, where I waited an additional month for my class to start. at Hightower they do their best to keep the 18 month program offenders separated from the 4 month program offenders. Not as a rule, but so that they can help each other through the programs. I was short-housed in "L" wing with the 18 month program offenders until the day before my class started, where the moved me to "N" wing. (N and M wings are primarily 4-month offender wings in the same building, which has 3 wings, and the "L" wing is in the same building. We still do recreation together, and see each other normally, we just don't live on the same wing)

After completing the program on the 10th of July, 2011, I was moved to another unit, and on August 15th, 2011, I was released to parole out of state.

So even though I was approved for the FI4R, I had to wait close to 9 months to get into the SOEP program. My first cell mate at Hightower was in the 18 month program, and he said after his parole approval, it took him nearly 12 months to get in. I have talked PERSONALLY to many that were in MY SAME CLASS and each had a different wait time. Some had waited 10 or 11 months, others only 6 or 7 months. It is based on several condition, and this is why sometimes some people get "wait-listed" :

EXAMPLE: Ofender A is approved for his FI4R in January. His PRD (projected release date) is in December. Offender B is approved for his FI4R in March, and HIS release PRD is in November. Offender B will take his class BEFORE offender A, because his release date is earlier, and in order to get released, he MUST at a minimum be enrolled in class. I know this because of PERSONAL experience. I met a guy that was in the class that graduated 2 weeks before mine, and he didn't get his parole approval until 4 months after mine, but since his release date was before my release date, he was sent to the program faster. This is also why sometimes the families are told their Offender gets "pushed back" on the list.

To answer a few of the comments and questions posed, I will only comment on those PERSONALLY experienced by myself, or someone I was housed with AT HIGHTOWER, which is the only location for the 4-month program.

Rumor 1: Any sex offender is automatically an aggravated case, or 3g.
Truth: This is false. I am a perfect example. My case and sentence were neither aggravated, nor 3g.

Rumor 2 Any sex offender is not eligible for mandatory supervision.
Truth : This also is false. My time sheet through my entire time reflected that I was Mandatory eligibility :yes

Rumor 3: An offender can get sent home early if classes are full.
Truth: This is false. If classes are full, you will wait until an opening is available, or your entire sentence is served. They can, and have taken short-way as well as good time away from offenders to assure that they have completed the assigned class. (NOTE: I knew of ONE case of someone who was assigned an FI4R, but ended up in the 4 month program because he was not able to get an open class for the 18 month before his time would have been served.) If you are assigned to the sex offender program, be it FI4R, FI9R, or FI18R, you WILL take one of the programs.

Rumor 4: This is based on a quote: "I think the non violent sexual is towards children whereas the violent sexual does not usually include a child. but im not sure about that"
Truth: this is incorrect. in actuality, most of the crimes against children are the opposite, considered violent in most cases, because a child can NEVER give consent. but this information is based on what I have gathered inside, so not 100%. (i.e. "Aggravated sexual assault of a child" is considered a violent charge.)

I hope what I have posted here helps someone get some insight on what goes on "behind" the wall. If you have any questions or comments, PLEASE feel free. I am more than willing to answer questions, but I WILL tell you if I don't know the answer for a fact.

On a side note, PLEASE save your money and dont buy your offender a magazine subscription, or any books if their program is starting soon. SOs that are taking classes cannot receive ANY material in the mail that is not religiously oriented, and even THAT has to be approved. My family lost out on nearly $100 in magazine subscriptions that they bought me for when I was in.

Lots of REALLY great information here!! Thank you so much. I've learned a lot just by my husband being an SO. And most of it I've had to learn the hard way. You mention not buying books and such if they have a program starting soon. That is very good to know. Can you tell me anything about what types of personal property they are allowed to keep while doing these programs? I've heard no pics of children. Not even their own. Again, thanks for the great info and I'm glad you found this thread.

BamaInmateBro
05-10-2012, 06:42 AM
Lots of REALLY great information here!! Thank you so much. I've learned a lot just by my husband being an SO. And most of it I've had to learn the hard way. You mention not buying books and such if they have a program starting soon. That is very good to know. Can you tell me anything about what types of personal property they are allowed to keep while doing these programs? I've heard no pics of children. Not even their own. Again, thanks for the great info and I'm glad you found this thread.

You are correct about the photos, to a point. An offender cannot RECEIVE any photos of children, including their own, while in the program. Many of us already had existing photos of our families, and they never took them when we transferred. The books are something I felt was important to mention because books are not cheap. My wife, for a long time, spent $30 to 40 every 2 weeks sending me books. By the time I caught chain to GO to Hightower, I had an ENTIRE chain bag full of books, along with a few of my favorite ones in my main bag! The library at Hightower is a bit of a joke, but they do have some nice ones there. Even the SOs can go to the library and check out books.

I do want to mention one thing to EVERYONE who has an SO inside. NOTHING and I do mean NOTHING meant more to us than knowing our families still loved us, even with what we had done. DON'T miss sending out letters. Mail call is CRAZY with everyone just looking to see if they got anything. ALWAYS write whenever you get a chance. It really does mean a lot to us.

As far as books, your SO usually won't start classes the day they arrive. Sometimes it takes a few weeks. Classes ALWAYS start on a Monday or Tuesday when I was there (may have changed, but I doubt it) You can always buy a few books and have them quick-shipped to your SO at Hightower. As long as he is not actively IN classes, he can still receive books. Another option is contact the unit Chaplain at Hightower and tell him you would like to donate some books to the unit library. Hard covers are best. If you send soft cover books, they ship them out to be bound, and it may take months for them to arrive back. When I left the unit I donated all my books.

If anyone else has a question or comment for me, feel free to post here. I would prefer to respond where my information can go out to everyone. Good luck to you and yours.:caffeine:

p.s. Coffee! A man in TDCJ can not have enough coffee! lol.

Tazgirl
05-10-2012, 01:33 PM
You are correct about the photos, to a point. An offender cannot RECEIVE any photos of children, including their own, while in the program. Many of us already had existing photos of our families, and they never took them when we transferred. The books are something I felt was important to mention because books are not cheap. My wife, for a long time, spent $30 to 40 every 2 weeks sending me books. By the time I caught chain to GO to Hightower, I had an ENTIRE chain bag full of books, along with a few of my favorite ones in my main bag! The library at Hightower is a bit of a joke, but they do have some nice ones there. Even the SOs can go to the library and check out books.

I do want to mention one thing to EVERYONE who has an SO inside. NOTHING and I do mean NOTHING meant more to us than knowing our families still loved us, even with what we had done. DON'T miss sending out letters. Mail call is CRAZY with everyone just looking to see if they got anything. ALWAYS write whenever you get a chance. It really does mean a lot to us.

As far as books, your SO usually won't start classes the day they arrive. Sometimes it takes a few weeks. Classes ALWAYS start on a Monday or Tuesday when I was there (may have changed, but I doubt it) You can always buy a few books and have them quick-shipped to your SO at Hightower. As long as he is not actively IN classes, he can still receive books. Another option is contact the unit Chaplain at Hightower and tell him you would like to donate some books to the unit library. Hard covers are best. If you send soft cover books, they ship them out to be bound, and it may take months for them to arrive back. When I left the unit I donated all my books.

If anyone else has a question or comment for me, feel free to post here. I would prefer to respond where my information can go out to everyone. Good luck to you and yours.:caffeine:

p.s. Coffee! A man in TDCJ can not have enough coffee! lol.

LMAO@ coffee. My husband was a caffeine addict before he went in. And that definitely hasn't changed! Lol. I send hubby books all the time but he hasn't even been transferred to start his class yet. So basically though, once he's transferred if I want to send any I'll have to hurry. And thanks for letting me know about the pics. That's one less thing I'll have to worry about. Thanks again!

BamaInmateBro
05-11-2012, 06:25 AM
You are most welcome. Best of luck to him! Tell him I said be safe, and stay away from cases!

Tazgirl
05-11-2012, 06:34 AM
You are most welcome. Best of luck to him! Tell him I said be safe, and stay away from cases!

Absolutely will do!! He's done good in that department. Hasn't had a case since 2005. He knows if anything happens to screw up parole now, he has to answer to me. LOL

BamaInmateBro
05-11-2012, 02:49 PM
Yeah, once he gets to Hightower, things will change up for him. People there will know he is an SO, but at that unit it isn't a big deal. I am not sure what he does for work, but at Hightower, I hope he likes sewing, because the unit is a garment factory. I spent 5 months on a sewing machine making inmate boxers! hahaha. It's really not that bad though. He will need a radio/alarm because they are not forgiving at all. What I disliked the most was breakfast. It was served at around 3am...WAY too early for me, but necessary to get people to their classes on time.

CenTexLyn
05-12-2012, 09:00 AM
My LO claims that the 18 month SO program was elimintated because of high cost and low completion rates. Anyone on this board able to confirm?

The 18 month program has NOT been eliminated. There was a period not too many months ago where they had a severe shortage of staff due to the professionals having engaged in misconduct and being told their services were no longer needed...

tfh777
05-16-2012, 11:39 PM
Thanks for your input Tx. I did a 2 year sentence for CP I made my first mandatory short way so I was paroled in 10 months but I was sent to Ben Reid Center witch is just south of hell. That is far from a half way house and a joke but not funny at all.
I was there about 6 months and finally approved to parole to my daughters. Since the time of release I had a monitor and once at my daughters I had to have the big box that you carry on your side. Parole wasnt bad in the county I was in because I had a decent PO but I was violated because a friend taking me home from work got me home 30 minutes late and made a stop on the way. I spent another month in the county and was released back on parole. Then to my own apt in the next county over and I got the PO from the abyss. She had me going to AA 3 times a week and visit her every week. She made me go to AA on the other side of town because the one almost next door to me was she said too close to a school. I had to go through the SOTP classes also all while using a bike to get around. I did get a job though shortly after getting into my new apt. And o yea the monitor never was removed until Nov 12th 2011 at midnight it went dead I cut it off my self and the next day she had to call me before coming by to pick it up. It was hell but that was a sweet ending. I saw so much crap going through the system and so many destroyed lives a lot of times over very small things. I am thankful though God has helped me with a friend who drove me everywhere to job interviews ETC. I count my blessings the biggest thing now to me as I dont understand and no one can seem to answer for me is why am I required to register for life when others who have assault charges have 10 years. I dont get it but I have hope for the future that can change for me and others. I also hope to help others here .... :)

BamaInmateBro
05-18-2012, 11:26 AM
Thanks for your input Tx. I did a 2 year sentence for CP I made my first mandatory short way so I was paroled in 10 months but I was sent to Ben Reid Center witch is just south of hell. That is far from a half way house and a joke but not funny at all.
I was there about 6 months and finally approved to parole to my daughters. Since the time of release I had a monitor and once at my daughters I had to have the big box that you carry on your side. Parole wasnt bad in the county I was in because I had a decent PO but I was violated because a friend taking me home from work got me home 30 minutes late and made a stop on the way. I spent another month in the county and was released back on parole. Then to my own apt in the next county over and I got the PO from the abyss. She had me going to AA 3 times a week and visit her every week. She made me go to AA on the other side of town because the one almost next door to me was she said too close to a school. I had to go through the SOTP classes also all while using a bike to get around. I did get a job though shortly after getting into my new apt. And o yea the monitor never was removed until Nov 12th 2011 at midnight it went dead I cut it off my self and the next day she had to call me before coming by to pick it up. It was hell but that was a sweet ending. I saw so much crap going through the system and so many destroyed lives a lot of times over very small things. I am thankful though God has helped me with a friend who drove me everywhere to job interviews ETC. I count my blessings the biggest thing now to me as I dont understand and no one can seem to answer for me is why am I required to register for life when others who have assault charges have 10 years. I dont get it but I have hope for the future that can change for me and others. I also hope to help others here .... :)

You have to look at the details of every person's case. Assault charges can vary, especially in Texas. If it was one of those "romeo/juliet" things, where the guy was like 19 and the girl 17, then the charge is still sexual assault, but typically they would only register for 10 years after they get out. As for those of us with CP charges, Every state will have us register for life. Just the way it is.

TxHawker
05-18-2012, 12:21 PM
It all seems so insane. You can get off the registry for physically attacking someone, but you get life on the registry for simple possession of a picture. That is so jaw-dropping stupid I can't even wrap my head around it. It's a freaking picture! It's ok to watch someone get murdered, or their head shot off- you can collect tons of those images. But get caught with a photo of a 17 year old showing off her boobs and you go to prison for years and put on the registry for life. Right....

BamaInmateBro
05-21-2012, 06:27 AM
I don't know your particular situation, but the majority of CP cases do not involve a 17 year old. Either way, the law is the law. As long as it is illegal, it is a crime. Hey, I was in possession, and I accept my punishment that was handed down to me. I agree that the stuff is disgusting. I had an addiction, that is just like a drug addiction. I fortunately got treatment and am in recovery now. Either way, I agree that whether the person in the photo is 17 or 7, the law is the law. If people don't like the laws, vote to have them changed. That how it has been in this country for over 200 years.

As to the comment about having pictures of someone murdered or their head shot off, It's not the photo of the murder that is illegal, it is the act of murder. When it comes to CP, it is the act of possessing the photo that is illegal, hence the different. If the government passed a law saying possession of a photo of murder was illegal, THEN it would be the same. That comparison is like apples to oranges.

TxHawker
05-22-2012, 11:58 AM
My brother is serving two, ten-year sentences (stacked) for possession of 28 photos. I co-worker turned him on to LimeWire to download music & videos. My brother's none too bright when it comes to computers and he just grabbed about 4000 files and downloaded them. The 28 photos were in the mix. His wife, who had filed for divorce only a few days previous to his being arrested, went through his PC, found the photos and turned him in (she wanted the house, the cars, everything- and got it.) He didn't even know the photos were there. For all we know she planted them- doesn't matter now of course. So my situation and my brother's is different than yours. I understand and admire you owning up to having had an addiction to porn- God knows its easy enough to do since it's so easily available. But for us, given that he didn't intend this to happen, or ever even saw the images, to be slapped with 20 years (and he's in his 50's) makes me question just how "correct" the laws are regarding CP. Personally, I think if you produce it, then you should face one hell of a long sentence- maybe life- because it means you abused a child. If you distribute it but didn't produce it, I'd say the penalty should be less severe. And for simple possession? A fine. The punishments far outweigh the crime in these cases- not to mention having to register for life and all of the restraints he will have to face if he ever gets out. And who is going to hire a 72 year old SO?

TxHawker
05-22-2012, 12:04 PM
Which leads me to another question- if (God willing) he somehow makes parole in the next ten years and has to come live with me and my family, does anyone have any idea what the restrictions will be regarding PC's in the home, or alcohol? I know no guns, but I run my own company out of my house and PC's are essential to my business. I don't mind if they put software on there to monitor internet activities, or I can padlock the office. Dumb thing to worry about this far out, but it does worry me (and the alcohol thing because I had a very expensive wine cellar built into the house but again can lock the door even through my brother doesn't drink anyway.) Just curious...

BamaInmateBro
05-22-2012, 05:20 PM
I know that when I made parole, the rule for computers were that while on parole I cannot access ANY pornographic websites, not even the bikini ones. I am allowed on the computer, and am allowed internet access. Again, each case is different. I know of some that were in the treatment program with me that were told they were not allowed internet access at all. Also while on parole I am not allowed to be on ANY social networking sites. (Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, etc...) All this changes once parole is over. I do NOT know your brother's case, or the details, but something had to be pretty bad for him to get stacked. I know I got 4 convictions, possession and promotion, one photo and one video. possession is obviously possession, promotion is automatic if you have more than 3 photos or videos. Mine was concurrent, so once I made parole, it was easy. your brother having stacked means he has to get parole approval for BOTH cases in order to have a chance to get home. Also state laws are different, so I am just assuming your brother lives in Texas as well? My case was in Houston, which has a pretty harsh DA, but my case took him 9 months to get to trial, and we cut a deal at the end. He thought that he had a huge case with me when the arrest came, but my lawyer as well as family and friends blew 90% of his attempts out of the water, so once we got down to the details, he was already weak, and the judge was getting pissed and actually told us either cut a deal, or set trial. The first offer at 1 month was 15,15,20,20. We got him down to 5,5,5,5. What was really funny was on the last day, we were at 7,7,7,7, and I told my lawyer I would sign, so when she went to tell him, before she could say a word he offered the 5,5,5,5. My lawyer didn't blink an eye and told him "deal."

TxHawker
05-22-2012, 06:20 PM
Yep Texas- small north Texas town. In my brother's case, both the judge and DA were up for re-election. My brother was their "example" of being tough on sex crimes.

BamaInmateBro
05-24-2012, 06:52 AM
Yep Texas- small north Texas town. In my brother's case, both the judge and DA were up for re-election. My brother was their "example" of being tough on sex crimes.

That can always be a problem. The prosecutor in my case was an assistant DA, and was running for DA when I was going through. My saving grace was that he thought there was a lot more going on in my case than there was, and he was getting mud in his face. He knew his best bet was to back away to save face.

I used to live in North Texas years ago. Lived in Denton, Sanger, Krum, and Valley View, which are all north of Dallas.

EdieGirl
06-06-2012, 03:01 PM
That can always be a problem. The prosecutor in my case was an assistant DA, and was running for DA when I was going through. My saving grace was that he thought there was a lot more going on in my case than there was, and he was getting mud in his face. He knew his best bet was to back away to save face.

I used to live in North Texas years ago. Lived in Denton, Sanger, Krum, and Valley View, which are all north of Dallas.

Same thing happens in way south Texas, sucks :( damn politicians

Tazgirl
07-04-2012, 02:31 PM
One thing people seem to forget. It's not ALL the politicians. We VOTE on all these laws that in some cases put innocent people in prison. If the people who write them wouldn't make them all "blanket" laws that would help a lot of people in a lot of ways.

BamaInmateBro
07-05-2012, 09:42 AM
One thing people seem to forget. It's not ALL the politicians. We VOTE on all these laws that in some cases put innocent people in prison. If the people who write them wouldn't make them all "blanket" laws that would help a lot of people in a lot of ways.


AMEN. You have it right there. The thing that makes it all the more difficult, is when someone with an axe to grind initiates a new law against sex offenders. The politicians and representatives are not stupid. They know that if they vote against any bill or law involving a sex offense, it would be political suicide! So nobody will vote against any of the new laws.:hmm:

Tazgirl
07-06-2012, 09:14 PM
AMEN. You have it right there. The thing that makes it all the more difficult, is when someone with an axe to grind initiates a new law against sex offenders. The politicians and representatives are not stupid. They know that if they vote against any bill or law involving a sex offense, it would be political suicide! So nobody will vote against any of the new laws.:hmm:

Yep! Insert statistic about innocent people in prison and recidivism rates for sex offenders here.

BamaInmateBro
07-18-2012, 02:03 PM
Been a little while since I was on, so I thought I would pop in and see how everyone and their loved ones were doing. Progress? Problems?

Tazgirl
07-18-2012, 08:27 PM
Been a little while since I was on, so I thought I would pop in and see how everyone and their loved ones were doing. Progress? Problems?

No news here. Still waiting for hubby to get moved and start this program. How ya been?

twinklie81
07-19-2012, 02:20 AM
Been a little while since I was on, so I thought I would pop in and see how everyone and their loved ones were doing. Progress? Problems?

I am just a nervous wreck!! :confused: My husband is on on an 8 year non ag SO charge. First time offender, and is up for parole on 07/31/2012. I am not sure what to expect or if I should expect anything at all. He has been in since 10/27/2011 and with all of his back time, this august will mark 1 year. I'm not sure if I should expect a set off.. if so..for how long?? or if I should be hopeful (as i am now) that maybe they'll grant him release upon completion of a program. And then on top of that..i've heard those programs have a looooooong waiting list. ??? Ohh TDCJ. I don't know what to expect. I'm venting, sorry. Just wish I had some sort of guidance.

Tazgirl
07-19-2012, 06:43 AM
I am just a nervous wreck!! :confused: My husband is on on an 8 year non ag SO charge. First time offender, and is up for parole on 07/31/2012. I am not sure what to expect or if I should expect anything at all. He has been in since 10/27/2011 and with all of his back time, this august will mark 1 year. I'm not sure if I should expect a set off.. if so..for how long?? or if I should be hopeful (as i am now) that maybe they'll grant him release upon completion of a program. And then on top of that..i've heard those programs have a looooooong waiting list. ??? Ohh TDCJ. I don't know what to expect. I'm venting, sorry. Just wish I had some sort of guidance.

I always say "hope for the best, prepare for the worst". The programs do have long wait lists. We've been waiting almost two years for hubby to start SOTP. I wish you lots of luck. Feel free to PM me anytime.

Renee
07-19-2012, 02:53 PM
Twinklie, I've got no words for you other than I'm sorry you're in this situation. You may want to check out the Loving a Sex Offender (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=101) Forum for support for you. I wish you the best of luck!

TxHawker
07-19-2012, 03:06 PM
Hang in there. From our experience I'd say that he probably has only a very slim chance at making parole his first time up, even for non-agg (so is my brother's.) I think the PB has a hard time with SO's. If it makes you feel any better, we should be getting my brother's answer back from the PB next week and we're all a wreck too. This will be his second time up for a ten year sentence. But you never know! I think it depends on what they (PB) had for breakfast that morning, or how the commute to work was. Just try and relax and go the flow.

Taz he STILL hasn't started?!?!?!? WTF??? Which region is he in? Someone should sue the hell out of TDCJ over this crap. How can they keep him in two years PAST his parole just to take a class that he COULD take on the outside? Man I'd be writing some serious letters to everyone and anyone including your state representative.

luvinhim24/7
07-19-2012, 04:21 PM
I heard that the programs were suspended, not sure if that's true. A parole officer I talked to in the county I live in told me they were taking the classes on the outside. Anybody know for sure?

Tazgirl
07-19-2012, 04:34 PM
I heard that the programs were suspended, not sure if that's true. A parole officer I talked to in the county I live in told me they were taking the classes on the outside. Anybody know for sure?

Considering that the parole board will make this a pre-release requirement I highly doubt that. But I'm going to call the program director tomorrow so that will be a question on my list. I'll make sure and post here when I find out.

Tazgirl
07-19-2012, 04:37 PM
Tx- nope. Still hasn't started the program. I've been calling the program director but I can almost never catch him in the office. Going to try yet again tomorrow.

luvinhim24/7
07-19-2012, 05:15 PM
I thought it was a pre-release requirement too. We still have a while but just trying to get information and figure this out. Of course, everyone you talk to gives you a different answer. It's getting close to his parole date and just trying to deal with the stress of it all is making me crazy. Please post if you find out.

Tazgirl
07-19-2012, 08:52 PM
I will definitely let ya know what I find out.

CenTexLyn
07-19-2012, 09:05 PM
Taz he STILL hasn't started?!?!?!? WTF??? Which region is he in? Someone should sue the hell out of TDCJ over this crap. How can they keep him in two years PAST his parole just to take a class that he COULD take on the outside? Man I'd be writing some serious letters to everyone and anyone including your state representative.

a suit would go nowhere...there is not a liberty interest in being released to parole. The law is very clear that parole is a privilege, not a right. Further, most of the SO FI-R votes are designated with a target date down the road...so even if a vote is recorded today, it is not at all uncommon to see the target begin date a year or two down the road.

CenTexLyn
07-19-2012, 09:07 PM
I heard that the programs were suspended, not sure if that's true. A parole officer I talked to in the county I live in told me they were taking the classes on the outside. Anybody know for sure?

Even if one does the SOEP or SOTP prior to release, they will STILL be in classes and counseling in the community- in most instances, for the duration of the time on supervision.

Programs are NOT suspended. In fact, they recently added programs at two additional HV-area units that have served to reduce the backlogs.

Tazgirl
07-19-2012, 09:08 PM
a suit would go nowhere...there is not a liberty interest in being released to parole. The law is very clear that parole is a privilege, not a right. Further, most of the SO FI-R votes are designated with a target date down the road...so even if a vote is recorded today, it is not at all uncommon to see the target begin date a year or two down the road.

Their "target date" was July 1 of 2011....

luvinhim24/7
07-20-2012, 07:41 AM
Even if one does the SOEP or SOTP prior to release, they will STILL be in classes and counseling in the community- in most instances, for the duration of the time on supervision.

Programs are NOT suspended. In fact, they recently added programs at two additional HV-area units that have served to reduce the backlogs.

Thanks for the info. I have emailed the program director and he answered my questions. The info the so called parole officer gave me was not accurate and therefore, I was confused. i would have thought that he would know but apparantly I was wrong or I misunderstood. I already have a pretty good idea of what is ahead and all he will have to do if and when he is paroled. Just trying to get all the facts straight. I appreciate your help.

BamaInmateBro
07-20-2012, 03:41 PM
No news here. Still waiting for hubby to get moved and start this program. How ya been?

I've been fine. Keeping up with my quarterly registration (In Alabama all SOs have to register every 90 days, regardless of risk level) But on a good note I have been getting very good success in my new company! Not getting rich, but nice to know that since I own the company, having a felony conviction doesn't affect me hiring myself! haha.

I am just a nervous wreck!! :confused: My husband is on on an 8 year non ag SO charge. First time offender, and is up for parole on 07/31/2012. I am not sure what to expect or if I should expect anything at all. He has been in since 10/27/2011 and with all of his back time, this august will mark 1 year. I'm not sure if I should expect a set off.. if so..for how long?? or if I should be hopeful (as i am now) that maybe they'll grant him release upon completion of a program. And then on top of that..i've heard those programs have a looooooong waiting list. ??? Ohh TDCJ. I don't know what to expect. I'm venting, sorry. Just wish I had some sort of guidance.

Twinkle, I will first say thank you for standing behind your man. Many women don't when it comes to a sex offense. As for your husbands situation: If he is up for parole on July 31, expect the real possibility that it may be a month or two after that before he gets called in for the interview. If you don't mind me asking, where is he located at right now? I spent almost the first year at Goodman unit, though I had my parole interview while I was still at Holiday unit. His parole vote will be based on many things. His remorse for his crime (I don't know the situation, and am not asking, just telling you what they tend to weigh in on the most), what type and how much family support he has. Don't wait until after his interview before you and your family write your support letters. These letters carry SERIOUS weight when it comes to their decision. If they know that a loving, caring, and supportive family are waiting for him, it shows a lower risk of recividism. Make sure BEFORE the interview that you have verified that where he will parole to is within the states requirements for an SO living there (distance from schools and parks, etc) Parole lawyers are expensive, but mine was well worth it. I was fortunate that I was approved on my first parole review, which was only 2 months after actually arriving in TDCJ. IT DOES happen. Keep in touch with him. They keep records of letters and JPays received. An inmate who receives regular communication is considered a happy inmate. Do a search online for "Parole packets" and make sure you get one prepared. The better prepared it is the more likely it will be fully read. Mine was almost an inch thick with letters from family, friends, and former exchange students supporting my parole. Also make sure he writes a letter to the parole board to have inserted in his parole packet.

Hang in there. From our experience I'd say that he probably has only a very slim chance at making parole his first time up, even for non-agg (so is my brother's.) I think the PB has a hard time with SO's. If it makes you feel any better, we should be getting my brother's answer back from the PB next week and we're all a wreck too. This will be his second time up for a ten year sentence. But you never know! I think it depends on what they (PB) had for breakfast that morning, or how the commute to work was. Just try and relax and go the flow.

Taz he STILL hasn't started?!?!?!? WTF??? Which region is he in? Someone should sue the hell out of TDCJ over this crap. How can they keep him in two years PAST his parole just to take a class that he COULD take on the outside? Man I'd be writing some serious letters to everyone and anyone including your state representative.

Remember that Parole is not a law. It is a privilege. They are not required to release you at all! So if they wanted to, they could approve parole, and wait until 5 days before your end-of-time if they wanted to.

Even if one does the SOEP or SOTP prior to release, they will STILL be in classes and counseling in the community- in most instances, for the duration of the time on supervision.

Programs are NOT suspended. In fact, they recently added programs at two additional HV-area units that have served to reduce the backlogs.

This is correct. SOEP and SOTP are pre-release programs that when assigned, must be completed or participating in before one can be released. Also when on parole you are required to attend therapy/programs while on parole.

For hose who are new, I am more than happy to help with any questions you might have for me. I have been through this program at Hightower, and am currently on parole out of state. I just want to help and give back as much as I can.

CenTexLyn
07-20-2012, 04:59 PM
Thanks for the info. I have emailed the program director and he answered my questions. The info the so called parole officer gave me was not accurate and therefore, I was confused. i would have thought that he would know but apparantly I was wrong or I misunderstood. I already have a pretty good idea of what is ahead and all he will have to do if and when he is paroled. Just trying to get all the facts straight. I appreciate your help.

That the field had no clue about institutional operations or even Board practice is not a surprise. Security/in-prison operations are not anything field personnel with the Parole Division have experience with except and unless they had prior TDCJ-CID experience before moving to the field. And very few of them have real dealings with the Board other than preparation of transmittals on Special Conditions or when they deal with a hearing officer in a revocation hearing.

Tazgirl
07-22-2012, 03:17 PM
Ok guys, I has a question. Since hubby was approved for parole, should we have already submitted a home plan? If so, what do I need to include with that? And do I send that to the parole board?

CenTexLyn
07-22-2012, 03:44 PM
Ok guys, I has a question. Since hubby was approved for parole, should we have already submitted a home plan? If so, what do I need to include with that? And do I send that to the parole board?

The IPO got home plan information at the time of the interview. There is nothing for you to submit nor will the Board be involved in any component of the approval of the specific plan except and unless there is a need for a County of Residence Exception or if there is a plan failure and the HWH condition needed to be imposed.

BamaInmateBro
07-23-2012, 01:36 PM
So are you still waiting on him to get into the class? Last I heard you were saying still waiting.

Tazgirl
07-23-2012, 04:43 PM
So are you still waiting on him to get into the class? Last I heard you were saying still waiting.

Yep. Still waiting.

EdieGirl
07-24-2012, 03:01 AM
Just an update on our situation since we're kind of in the same boat. My husband got parole in June, was supposed to start a class this month but is still waiting to be transferred. His release date is no sooner than November upon completion of the 4 month SO class. Last week they called us to ask questions about the house and who was to live there, if we were okay with having him come home to this house. I believe they said next step was to pass the info to local parole. A week and a half ago my husband was visited by someone umm reentry dept I think he said and they had him fill out paperwork so he could get his SS card and his birth certificate. That's where we're at right now.

I'm guessing each case is different but still, I thought I'd share our current experience.

God bless :)

twinklie81
07-24-2012, 05:48 AM
Just an update on our situation since we're kind of in the same boat. My husband got parole in June, was supposed to start a class this month but is still waiting to be transferred. His release date is no sooner than November upon completion of the 4 month SO class. Last week they called us to ask questions about the house and who was to live there, if we were okay with having him come home to this house. I believe they said next step was to pass the info to local parole. A week and a half ago my husband was visited by someone umm reentry dept I think he said and they had him fill out paperwork so he could get his SS card and his birth certificate. That's where we're at right now.

I'm guessing each case is different but still, I thought I'd share our current experience.

God bless :)

Hey girl! Thanks for sharing this. We're still waiting on an answer from the pb and hoping he gets it. Your right every case is different, but damn you guys give me hope. I need my love HOME! This is his first time up for review..I hear almost everyone gets a set off first time up..:( but then others say there's a chance that he can get granted. I've sent over my packet. I'm hoping to God it helps. Any other recommendations you can give that you went thru??

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Tazgirl
07-24-2012, 11:26 AM
The IPO got home plan information at the time of the interview. There is nothing for you to submit nor will the Board be involved in any component of the approval of the specific plan except and unless there is a need for a County of Residence Exception or if there is a plan failure and the HWH condition needed to be imposed.

Was waiting to talk to hubby before I responded to this. They did get that information when he saw the IPO. I guess what I need to know now is what if we need to revise the home plan?

Tazgirl
07-24-2012, 11:27 AM
Ok. I got an email back from Mr. Bon Jorno. He said with a target date of July 2011 he would expect him to start SOTP later this year. I sure hope so!! Ready for my baby to be home!!!

CenTexLyn
07-24-2012, 06:21 PM
Was waiting to talk to hubby before I responded to this. They did get that information when he saw the IPO. I guess what I need to know now is what if we need to revise the home plan?

Then he would drop an I-60 to the unit IPO. If he had been represented by counsel before the Board, then counsel could also communicate it to the appropriate personnel in Austin to expedite the process...

Tazgirl
07-24-2012, 07:42 PM
Then he would drop an I-60 to the unit IPO. If he had been represented by counsel before the Board, then counsel could also communicate it to the appropriate personnel in Austin to expedite the process...

Cool. I'll pass that info along to hubs. Thanks!!!

BamaInmateBro
07-25-2012, 06:37 AM
Hey girl! Thanks for sharing this. We're still waiting on an answer from the pb and hoping he gets it. Your right every case is different, but damn you guys give me hope. I need my love HOME! This is his first time up for review..I hear almost everyone gets a set off first time up..:( but then others say there's a chance that he can get granted. I've sent over my packet. I'm hoping to God it helps. Any other recommendations you can give that you went thru??

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I would not put a lot of weight on hearing most people get set off. Rumor mills abound everywhere, even on the inside. That being said, I am not the only one here that will say hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst. One thing we all learn at TDCJ is to don't get your hopes up. Just keep strong and keep your prayers. Each case is different. I was told by my parole lawyer that I wouldn't make my first parole..... I am now at home with 2 years left on my first parole hearing. It does happen. With SOs, it seems to be from what I have seen on the inside, the more of an outside support system there is, the higher the chance of getting granted. If they know that they have family and friends who will HELP them, and not put them out, then the chance of approval increases.

Just an update on our situation since we're kind of in the same boat. My husband got parole in June, was supposed to start a class this month but is still waiting to be transferred. His release date is no sooner than November upon completion of the 4 month SO class. Last week they called us to ask questions about the house and who was to live there, if we were okay with having him come home to this house. I believe they said next step was to pass the info to local parole. A week and a half ago my husband was visited by someone umm reentry dept I think he said and they had him fill out paperwork so he could get his SS card and his birth certificate. That's where we're at right now.

I'm guessing each case is different but still, I thought I'd share our current experience.

God bless :)

Can you give us a little more information? What is his final discharge date? (If here were to have to do a serve-all) There is a wait list for getting into the classes. The closer to his final discharge date, the higher he gets into priority. It took me 9 months to get into my class, but I have seen others get approved for the class and get in within just a month or two because their final discharge date was close.

Ok. I got an email back from Mr. Bon Jorno. He said with a target date of July 2011 he would expect him to start SOTP later this year. I sure hope so!! Ready for my baby to be home!!!

Tazgirl, I thought your man got an FI-4? Maybe I am wrong. So he is going to be in the SOTP program? Sorry if I am wrong, I just thought he was in the SOEP program for some reason.

EdieGirl
07-25-2012, 10:30 AM
Can you give us a little more information? What is his final discharge date? (If here were to have to do a serve-all) There is a wait list for getting into the classes. The closer to his final discharge date, the higher he gets into priority. It took me 9 months to get into my class, but I have seen others get approved for the class and get in within just a month or two because their final discharge date was close.

His PRD had he gotten a serve all would have been 12/7/2015. He is in for 5 years on a non agg SO. Thing was, he was on probation for the charges which originated in 2008 and in June 2011 he was taken in for a revocation and sentenced to 5 years. He was eligible for parole since before that according to TDCJ website (7/5/2011), was at county from June 2011 to Dec 2011 then shipped off to TDC. Early March he was seen by the IPO for the first time, early to mid June he was granted parole. He got an FI-4R, first time up for parole.

For the parole preparation, he prepared his own documents, all we did as a family was send in support letters. We sent about 7 from his family, family friends and myself. I think by the time it went to board to the time they voted it took about a month tops.

That's about all I can think of to share that might be relevant. Oh and of course what I shared in my last post, not to mention, today local parole called because they want to check the house today.

Is it just me or is the home plan/reentry process going really fast considering he hasn't even be transferred to start the class yet? I'm not getting my hopes up that he'll be out sooner but I am kind of surprised. Is this the normal process for FI-4Rs?

Hope this helps and hope someone can give me some insight about our current situation.

PS I'm a nervous wreck and I'm stoked at the same time :D

p.s. During the time we were waiting for a vote, I called once or twice a week for status.

BamaInmateBro
07-25-2012, 11:14 AM
His attending class and the reentry plan are not perfectly tied together. Two different departments. I did my reentry stuff almost 4 months before I went to take the SOEP program. All of that can be processed quickly, as that information will be needed by parole. They will have that information on file, so that when he IS done with the class, he won't have weeks or more in processing. I was with several people at Hightower who went home within DAYS of completing the class.

luvinhim24/7
07-25-2012, 11:51 AM
Just curious but how do they decide which class they take? The 4 month or 18 month?

CenTexLyn
07-25-2012, 08:33 PM
Just curious but how do they decide which class they take? The 4 month or 18 month?

That is partially a Board decision and partially based on the sex of the offender. The women ONLY have an 18-month program. With the men, it is partially based on the Static-99 and partially the past history of treatment and partially the facts of the criminal history.

KK7926
07-26-2012, 07:21 AM
I know when going through all this this forum really helped so I thought I would pass our story along and will try to make it short with most accurate dates. Hubby had a 10yr probation sentence for an agg charge, was on for 8 years revoked in feb 2009 w/ 6 year sentence.
parole eligibility date aug 2011(b/c of back time credit).
FI 4R(soep) oct 2011
target program start date of feb 2012
potential completion date of june 2012.
Transferred to goree last week of may 2012
Started SOEP June 6 2012
Hubby states that they are doing their best to move people through quickly and are finishing the program in 3 months instead of 4. And then they are turning in their paperwork early so certificates should be printed close to that four month mark.

As far as home plan approval we started dealing with that around march. From our experience If an address is denied the ipo will notify the inmate and ask for a new address. The only info I could get when I called the regional ipo was either an approval or denial. I could verify an address was in the system correctly by giving it but they would not read it to me. When our home was approved the parole officer called one day to verify who i was and that i was ok with him living with me. Then she just came by one morning without calling. She came in for about 10 mins to talk a little about his parole requirements and to have me sign some paperwork but she didn't really look around. What I was told is that her office started to investigate a parole plan in march because their office was given notice of the target start date of feb. As we all have learned communication in tdc is HORRIBLE!

Hope this helps someone if you have any questions feel to ask.

TxHawker
07-26-2012, 07:27 AM
Wow- I'm amazed she didn't look around. Did they provide you with a list of conditions- like no firearms, no PC's, no alcohol in the house, etc.?

Tazgirl
07-26-2012, 02:40 PM
Finally got an actual update to share. Hubby talked to the chaplain yesterday about reentry and all of that part of it. He was also informed that within 6 months he will be moving on to the next step. Which means getting transferred to FINALLY start SOTP. I am one excited chic today!!! :-)

BamaInmateBro
07-26-2012, 03:02 PM
YAY TAZGIRL! I am so happy for the both of you! the SOTP is a lonnnnnng program, but I bet after all this time he will have no problem. At Hightower he will be in "M" wing most likely. That is where almost every one of the 18 month program people are unless they have an extreme case.

tlwilly55
07-26-2012, 05:48 PM
Everything I read is about inmate being released on parole, my man was sentenced to 15 years in 1998 and it was an AGG charge. We broke up in 1999, but found each other again. He has made parole but had nowhere to go, so turned down parole in 2011 and said serve all. Well we are planning on him coming home to be in March 2013 when he is released. Does anyone know the steps we need to expect to have to do before then? He was told he will have 7 days to regisre but that is all he knows....thanks for any advice

CenTexLyn
07-26-2012, 06:24 PM
Wow- I'm amazed she didn't look around. Did they provide you with a list of conditions- like no firearms, no PC's, no alcohol in the house, etc.?

Just as an aside, the mere fact that an SO will be in the residence (or ANY person on parole/mandatory supervision) does not preclude the owner of the residence from having weapons/alcohol/PC's for their own use. Presence in the residence in an area not deemed accessible to the releasee is not considered 'possession' or 'use.'

Tazgirl
07-26-2012, 07:34 PM
Just as an aside, the mere fact that an SO will be in the residence (or ANY person on parole/mandatory supervision) does not preclude the owner of the residence from having weapons/alcohol/PC's for their own use. Presence in the residence in an area not deemed accessible to the releasee is not considered 'possession' or 'use.'

I know this wasn't directed at me but since it's something I've thought about this is good to know.

CenTexLyn
07-26-2012, 07:49 PM
I know this wasn't directed at me but since it's something I've thought about this is good to know.

As another aside...the information was also repeated recently by someone carrying an SO/SISP caseload. It is the sort of thing I keep an eye and ear on for a variety of reasons...

Tazgirl
07-26-2012, 11:18 PM
YAY TAZGIRL! I am so happy for the both of you! the SOTP is a lonnnnnng program, but I bet after all this time he will have no problem. At Hightower he will be in "M" wing most likely. That is where almost every one of the 18 month program people are unless they have an extreme case.

I seriously couldn't be more excited and ready for this to happen. Now I just have to worry about the home plan being approved. Don't know why it wouldn't be but until it is I'll stress about it.

Tazgirl
07-26-2012, 11:19 PM
And of course it's gonna suck cause hubby will be about 10 hours away. But we have phone calls and I'll find a way to make at least one visit.

EdieGirl
07-27-2012, 05:42 AM
Crazy how these next few months on waiting lists and programs might feel like the longest! I so want this to be done with! :)

Best of luck to everyone, let's stay strong and patient! :-D

BamaInmateBro
07-27-2012, 01:26 PM
That is why many of us are still here. I have been out for almost a year now, and I signed up on this site so that I could do what I could to help out.

EdieGirl
07-27-2012, 02:30 PM
That is why many of us are still here. I have been out for almost a year now, and I signed up on this site so that I could do what I could to help out.

Trust me sir it does not go unappreciated! No idea how I would have coped without all the info on this site and the support! Especially with SOs, the support from friends and family is little or nonexistent sadly

Tazgirl
07-27-2012, 02:36 PM
That is why many of us are still here. I have been out for almost a year now, and I signed up on this site so that I could do what I could to help out.

Your posts and responses have actually been some of the most helpful ones I've gotten. Your input is always welcome and very much appreciated!! I would have been completely lost all these years without PTO.

Tazgirl
07-28-2012, 02:26 PM
K guys I have another question. If I go ahead and contact the local parole office, will they be able to tell me if hubby will be able to live at my current address?

TxHawker
07-29-2012, 10:10 AM
Thanks CenTexLyn!! That's really good to know. I've been worried because I live out in the country where we have a lot of critters- including a healthy number of rattlesnakes. Keeping a gun for that is pretty important- I'm not going to scare them off with my good looks! :D

Taz I'm thrilled for ya! We got good news the other day too- my brother FINALLY made parole on his first 10 year sentence! Yay! Still another 10 to go but we're getting there!

Just as an aside, the mere fact that an SO will be in the residence (or ANY person on parole/mandatory supervision) does not preclude the owner of the residence from having weapons/alcohol/PC's for their own use. Presence in the residence in an area not deemed accessible to the releasee is not considered 'possession' or 'use.'

Tazgirl
07-29-2012, 03:12 PM
Thanks CenTexLyn!! That's really good to know. I've been worried because I live out in the country where we have a lot of critters- including a healthy number of rattlesnakes. Keeping a gun for that is pretty important- I'm not going to scare them off with my good looks! :D

Taz I'm thrilled for ya! We got good news the other day too- my brother FINALLY made parole on his first 10 year sentence! Yay! Still another 10 to go but we're getting there!



Thanks Tx! Congrats on your good news too!!

montysmom
07-29-2012, 04:25 PM
CTL, kind of off track here, but by law, what is considered possession?

CenTexLyn
07-29-2012, 04:47 PM
CTL, kind of off track here, but by law, what is considered possession?

As defined in Chapter 1 of the Texas Penal Code (see Section 1.07):
(39) "Possession" means actual care, custody, control, or management.

BamaInmateBro
07-30-2012, 07:15 AM
As mentioned, there is a fine line on firearms in the home. When I was initially looking at paroling in Texas, my wife checked into the fact that she owns a handgun and has her concealed permit. The lawyer friend checked into it to verify, but she would have been fine having the firearm in the home, as long as I was not in "control" of it (as mentioned by CenTex) So when she was at home, it would have been locked in the gun case, where I did not know the combination. That was acceptable with the local sheriff as she had asked him as well.

And thank you all also for the kind words. I am happy I have been of any help. If I can say that I have done something that has helped, I feel that I am one step closer to being a decent man again.

Tazgirl
07-30-2012, 11:20 PM
As defined in Chapter 1 of the Texas Penal Code (see Section 1.07):
(39) "Possession" means actual care, custody, control, or management.

You're responses are always helpful too. People who take the time to inform those of us going through this are always appreciated!!

Tazgirl
07-31-2012, 10:38 PM
K guys I have another question. If I go ahead and contact the local parole office, will they be able to tell me if hubby will be able to live at my current address?



Think this might have gotten overlooked....

KK7926
08-01-2012, 02:54 AM
Your best bet would be to call the local police department. When are address got approved the paole officer called the police department and gave are address and if it is in a zone where s.o. Can live than your good. Are address was denied the first time, but we were grandfathered in because my husband lived there before the zones went into effect.

EdieGirl
08-01-2012, 08:11 AM
Hi guys! Just popped in to let you all know that my hubs got transferred this morning to the unit he will be receiving his class at!!!

Everything is happening so fast that I'm actually getting my hopes up that he'll be here by December!!! :))) what a blessing!!!

K gotta get some shut eye before work, hope everyone has a great day!!!!

TxHawker
08-01-2012, 01:07 PM
That's great news!!!! Congrats!!

Tazgirl
08-01-2012, 01:20 PM
Hi guys! Just popped in to let you all know that my hubs got transferred this morning to the unit he will be receiving his class at!!!

Everything is happening so fast that I'm actually getting my hopes up that he'll be here by December!!! :))) what a blessing!!!

K gotta get some shut eye before work, hope everyone has a great day!!!!

Fantastic news!!

Tazgirl
08-01-2012, 01:23 PM
Your best bet would be to call the local police department. When are address got approved the paole officer called the police department and gave are address and if it is in a zone where s.o. Can live than your good. Are address was denied the first time, but we were grandfathered in because my husband lived there before the zones went into effect.

I'm not even sure what our distance regulations here are. But considering that just recently they were considering changing it to 1000 feet I'm guessing currently it's only 500. But I'm almost positive that even if it gets changed we should be good. Will call the police department on my next day off and check though. Thanks!!

EdieGirl
08-01-2012, 03:49 PM
Fantastic news!!

Thank you! :). I hope he starts the class right away!

Tazgirl
08-01-2012, 07:40 PM
Thank you! :). I hope he starts the class right away!

I hope for you both that he does! And I hope mine gets moved to start his soon :-)

EdieGirl
08-02-2012, 10:25 AM
I hope for you both that he does! And I hope mine gets moved to start his soon :-)

Me too :) good luck!

EdieGirl
08-02-2012, 10:33 AM
Update: He's still in chain. Luther unit wasn't able to tell me much, just that he's in a Huntsville unit waiting to be moved again. It sucks, last time he caught chain Garza East was really good about telling me where he was going and now nothing.

Oh well! As much as I would hate for him to be further from me, one good thing about being up north (if he ends up there) is that it's probably not as hot as down here. I feel so bad they don't have ac and have to buy tiny ass fans!

BamaInmateBro
08-02-2012, 12:59 PM
Where was he transferred to? He should be heading south, as the programs are in Hightower and Goree units.

EdieGirl
08-02-2012, 02:49 PM
Where was he transferred to? He should be heading south, as the programs are in Hightower and Goree units.

He's in Huntsville unit. My mother in law was told he's going to stay there, that all his paperwork is ready and for her to call mid October to see if they print his release for November

CenTexLyn
08-02-2012, 07:58 PM
Where was he transferred to? He should be heading south, as the programs are in Hightower and Goree units.

Classes at the Walls and at Ellis just came online in the past month or so...it has served to reduce some of hte backlogs to get into the programs. At the moment, those two units are tagged as temporary programming but if the bedspace is not otherwise sucked up for other programs, it may become more permanent as long as funding remains in the budget...

EdieGirl
08-02-2012, 08:30 PM
Classes at the Walls and at Ellis just came online in the past month or so...it has served to reduce some of hte backlogs to get into the programs. At the moment, those two units are tagged as temporary programming but if the bedspace is not otherwise sucked up for other programs, it may become more permanent as long as funding remains in the budget...

If the tdcj website reads Huntsville unit that's walls?

CenTexLyn
08-02-2012, 08:52 PM
If the tdcj website reads Huntsville unit that's walls?

Yes. Most people refer to it as the Walls Unit for the obvious reason...hard to miss those 30-foot red brick walls in the middle of downtown :D

EdieGirl
08-03-2012, 12:41 AM
Yes. Most people refer to it as the Walls Unit for the obvious reason...hard to miss those 30-foot red brick walls in the middle of downtown :D

Never been there but I guess I'll be seeing them in a few months! Eek

twinklie81
08-03-2012, 03:51 AM
Hi guys! Just popped in to let you all know that my hubs got transferred this morning to the unit he will be receiving his class at!!!

Everything is happening so fast that I'm actually getting my hopes up that he'll be here by December!!! :))) what a blessing!!!

K gotta get some shut eye before work, hope everyone has a great day!!!!

That is GREAT NEWS!! So happy that everything is working quickly for you guys! Best of luck to you! my husband is under review right now,and I am praying to God that we get approved so that he can start his class soon and come home! Keep us in prayer!

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BamaInmateBro
08-03-2012, 10:19 AM
Classes at the Walls and at Ellis just came online in the past month or so...it has served to reduce some of hte backlogs to get into the programs. At the moment, those two units are tagged as temporary programming but if the bedspace is not otherwise sucked up for other programs, it may become more permanent as long as funding remains in the budget...


So they have started offering the SOEP and SOTP classes at Walls and Ellis unit? Or am I missing something here. Just checking so I will know. I was only in the transfer side of Walls when I was there, but going to chow and showers we would walk a lot of the inside area. It seemed like a decent unit on the main side (I was able to talk to the residents who were taking care of the floors,etc in the transfer area, and heard that it was a decent place) But was never a long term resident at Walls.

CenTexLyn
08-03-2012, 06:00 PM
So they have started offering the SOEP and SOTP classes at Walls and Ellis unit? Or am I missing something here. Just checking so I will know. I was only in the transfer side of Walls when I was there, but going to chow and showers we would walk a lot of the inside area. It seemed like a decent unit on the main side (I was able to talk to the residents who were taking care of the floors,etc in the transfer area, and heard that it was a decent place) But was never a long term resident at Walls.

Four month programs are in place, at least temporarily, at E1 and HV.

As units go, HV was certainly different. My experiences inside the gates there were primarily to eat or to hit the commissary when I was at the regional office. Have no idea about housing there...it was never a unit I was assigned to work within the perimeter of...

EdieGirl
08-03-2012, 07:51 PM
Four month programs are in place, at least temporarily, at E1 and HV.

As units go, HV was certainly different. My experiences inside the gates there were primarily to eat or to hit the commissary when I was at the regional office. Have no idea about housing there...it was never a unit I was assigned to work within the perimeter of...

If my hubs starts the program let's say this week, what's a realistic time he'll be home? That you think? Reentry docs have been requested, home plan approved

CenTexLyn
08-03-2012, 07:58 PM
If my hubs starts the program let's say this week, what's a realistic time he'll be home? That you think? Reentry docs have been requested, home plan approved

If he had the 4R vote, then I would expect it to be sometime in December...

EdieGirl
08-03-2012, 08:03 PM
If he had the 4R vote, then I would expect it to be sometime in December...

Yea it was. Freakin surreal. *breathes*

EdieGirl
08-04-2012, 11:43 AM
Hubs got moved to Ellis, guess Walls wasn't the last stop!

BamaInmateBro
08-06-2012, 07:06 AM
Looks like Ellis will be his temp unit until class starts? Or have you heard otherwise? I was at Goodman unit while I waited on my classes.

EdieGirl
08-06-2012, 12:41 PM
Looks like Ellis will be his temp unit until class starts? Or have you heard otherwise? I was at Goodman unit while I waited on my classes.

I thought he was taking the class there...

CenTexLyn
08-06-2012, 05:57 PM
I thought he was taking the class there...

If he is at E1 then he is likely taking it there. The classes at E1 and HV were added to help reduce the backlogs...and it is my understanding from the program staff that those two units are running the four-month program.

twinklie81
08-06-2012, 05:59 PM
I am VERY happy to report that my husband was granted parole on Friday Aug.3rd!! His first time up, and thankfully, he was APPROVED! He has to complete a 4 month program prior to release. Can anyone advise how soon they typically start these programs?? What unit will/may he be transferred to? I am anxious and excited.. I know we still have a journey ahead of us, but I can deal with a few months versus 8 years!!

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CenTexLyn
08-06-2012, 06:25 PM
I am VERY happy to report that my husband was granted parole on Friday Aug.3rd!! His first time up, and thankfully, he was APPROVED! He has to complete a 4 month program prior to release. Can anyone advise how soon they typically start these programs?? What unit will/may he be transferred to? I am anxious and excited.. I know we still have a journey ahead of us, but I can deal with a few months versus 8 years!!


In addition to the FI-4R, the vote will have included a target program-begin month/year notation. Placement in the SO programming rarely begins prior to that date and it is not uncommon for the placement to be delayed by a few months. The temporary classes were intended to reduce the backlog. But without knowing your target date, the answer to the question cannot be given or even estimated...

Tazgirl
08-06-2012, 06:36 PM
I am VERY happy to report that my husband was granted parole on Friday Aug.3rd!! His first time up, and thankfully, he was APPROVED! He has to complete a 4 month program prior to release. Can anyone advise how soon they typically start these programs?? What unit will/may he be transferred to? I am anxious and excited.. I know we still have a journey ahead of us, but I can deal with a few months versus 8 years!!

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Congrats!!! That's fantastic news!!

BamaInmateBro
08-07-2012, 07:09 AM
Yes, congrats on your guy getting his approval.

My error Eddie, I forgot that CenTexLyn had mentioned that Ellis was offering classes now as well as Walls. Glad to see he got in quickly. It seems that the wait time for classes has gone down!

EdieGirl
08-07-2012, 03:42 PM
Yes, congrats on your guy getting his approval.

My error Eddie, I forgot that CenTexLyn had mentioned that Ellis was offering classes now as well as Walls. Glad to see he got in quickly. It seems that the wait time for classes has gone down!

It's Edie short for Edith :p

And yep! He will be taking classes there! :)

EdieGirl
08-07-2012, 03:48 PM
I am VERY happy to report that my husband was granted parole on Friday Aug.3rd!! His first time up, and thankfully, he was APPROVED! He has to complete a 4 month program prior to release. Can anyone advise how soon they typically start these programs?? What unit will/may he be transferred to? I am anxious and excited.. I know we still have a journey ahead of us, but I can deal with a few months versus 8 years!!

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Congrats! My hubs got approved also first time up, same program. Granted parole in June, just got transferred last week to the unit he'll be taking classes at. Don't know if he started yet, he hasn't written since he moved :(

So happy for you guys!!! :) it'll go by soon you'll see!

BamaInmateBro
08-08-2012, 07:12 AM
I am so glad for the both of you, and your men. The wait was difficult on my and my Ex-wife and it made things hard on us. Knowing that the wait time now seems to be down to a month or two, it is a good thing to know! Your guys should be home soon! Best of wishes, and best of luck. If you have any questions for someone who has taken the classes, let me know.

twinklie81
08-08-2012, 01:32 PM
I am so glad for the both of you, and your men. The wait was difficult on my and my Ex-wife and it made things hard on us. Knowing that the wait time now seems to be down to a month or two, it is a good thing to know! Your guys should be home soon! Best of wishes, and best of luck. If you have any questions for someone who has taken the classes, let me know.

Thanks Bama!! I have tons of questions..but right now my excitement is making me crazy.lol. Parole said he is due to start that class in January. Is that just an estimated time, or is there a possibility that he'll start sooner? When and where should I expect him to transfer to?

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deerwoman
08-08-2012, 02:14 PM
When I called the board office, the lady said 4 month classes to begin in Oct. Will there be a long wait or do they send them to a unit that has opening?

BamaInmateBro
08-08-2012, 04:40 PM
Thanks Bama!! I have tons of questions..but right now my excitement is making me crazy.lol. Parole said he is due to start that class in January. Is that just an estimated time, or is there a possibility that he'll start sooner? When and where should I expect him to transfer to?

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It seems like the wait time has gone down a lot further. If they said he should be starting in January, then at this point, I would not be surprised at all if he started then. They have increased the locations for the classes. They now have them at Hightower, The Walls, and Ellis.

When I called the board office, the lady said 4 month classes to begin in Oct. Will there be a long wait or do they send them to a unit that has opening?

The 4 month classes begin every 2 weeks on average. There are more than one instructor, and they are now offering classes at 2 more units for a total of 3 locations. they will send him to the unit based on his release date (not the no earlier than date, but his final discharge date) his parole release date (THAT is the "no earlier than"), as well as others who get approved. If she shows that he is to be enrolled in the October class, then depending on WHEN in October it is, inmates usually get transferred a week before the actual start date.

babediz30
09-01-2012, 07:37 PM
I'm confused. They just drew his blood. I know he isn't about to be released as he still has to finish the 9 month class and I have no idea when they will transfer him to the unit he must take the class from. Why the blood draw? Should I get my hopes up that he might be moved soon?

EdieGirl
09-02-2012, 01:51 PM
Update! Surprised my husband with a visit yesterday at Ellis! First of all, props to the unit! Great visits, guards are really nice, it's a very laid back unit! My husband himself said its pretty chill too.

He started classes August 21st and should be done by Dec 21st. He was told after that he goes to Goree for some final thing then hell be moved to the unit he will be released at! Someone inside also mentioned to him the 3 month thing and I read it somewhere here also. Regardless, so glad he's coming home soon! Parole has approved the house and we are good to go!

keith74mom
09-02-2012, 02:45 PM
That's interesting- I thought they did that when they were ready to go home- but maybe they are doing it earlier for some reason? Maybe someone else has an answer?:hmm:

I'm confused. They just drew his blood. I know he isn't about to be released as he still has to finish the 9 month class and I have no idea when they will transfer him to the unit he must take the class from. Why the blood draw? Should I get my hopes up that he might be moved soon?

CenTexLyn
09-02-2012, 04:39 PM
That's interesting- I thought they did that when they were ready to go home- but maybe they are doing it earlier for some reason? Maybe someone else has an answer?:hmm:

CODIS draws can take place at any juncture...now that they are getting caught up, some may take place prior to a release decision having been made.

Tazgirl
09-05-2012, 12:59 PM
I have news!! Got a call from the parole office this morning and the woman I talked to is going to be at my house at 430 this afternoon. She said she had driven around the area this morning and didn't see anything that would rule out him living here. I am nervous and excited and just dont even know. I'm living with my grandparents and they know about hubby and why he's in prison and all. But I can't help being nervous! I'll let you guys know what happens!!

TxHawker
09-05-2012, 01:32 PM
Fantastic News! remember to breath... :)

Tazgirl
09-05-2012, 01:45 PM
Fantastic News! remember to breath... :)

That would be the part I'm having trouble with lol

Tazgirl
09-05-2012, 03:52 PM
430 has come and gone and I haven't seen this lady yet. We are also having some pretty severe thunderstorms AND the streets are numbered wrong. Hope she didn't get lost. I would think since she said she had driven around the neighborhood some this morning though, she would have already known where it was...

Tazgirl
09-05-2012, 04:35 PM
Ok so she finally showed up at about 515. I'm a little confused. Don't they usually do this part of the process closer to the time they finish their programs? Hubby hasn't even been transferred to start his yet unless it happened today. Which I realize is entirely possible but still....

KK7926
09-06-2012, 03:20 PM
The different entities don't talk to each other so if anything shows a "target start date" and "target completion date" then that is what they go based on. Our house was approved months before my hubby was transferred to a program. But I will hope that your process is quicker than ours. Best of luck!

TxHawker
09-06-2012, 03:45 PM
How did the visit go, Taz? Did you have to show them around the house, etc.? Any mention about PC's being in the house, or booze? And other restrictions mentioned?

Tazgirl
09-06-2012, 09:07 PM
How did the visit go, Taz? Did you have to show them around the house, etc.? Any mention about PC's being in the house, or booze? And other restrictions mentioned?

It went well. I really liked her but she did say that she may not end up being his parole officer. She didn't really check out the whole house. She did mention computers. And booze. The basics, he can't use a computer and no cell phone with a camera or Internet. Basically if he gets a cell phone it has to be a flip phone. And she did even say that they understand that nowadays its hard to find phones without cameras so they aren't too strict about that as long as its not a smartphone and has no Internet and they can check it. She did look at the pics on the walls basically to make sure they were appropriate. And she said that if anyone else owned a computer that was fine but he can't use them. I had to initial a bunch of stuff about basically reporting odd behaviors and such. She said that at first he can't have contact with his daughter but once he verifies with the therapist that he is her biological father he should be able to see her. And I will have to take a chaperone class. And as far as other restrictions nothing has been said yet. But I really hope that she ends up being his parole officer.

Tazgirl
09-06-2012, 09:08 PM
The different entities don't talk to each other so if anything shows a "target start date" and "target completion date" then that is what they go based on. Our house was approved months before my hubby was transferred to a program. But I will hope that your process is quicker than ours. Best of luck!

Thanks for the response. That's pretty much what I was figuring but wanted to ask anyway.

BamaInmateBro
09-11-2012, 08:52 AM
Sorry that I haven't been here in a while. Struggles with the shop and personal life. As you all know, life as an SO can be troublesome at times. I am happy for all of you that have been receiving happy information. This is always the time where anticipation can make the days seem like weeks, and the weeks seem like months. On a side note, I think it is interesting that I had taken up being a pen pal to an inmate in Texas, and she and I have been having some nice conversations. I was worried at first with the concern that she may be trying to get money and such. What I liked was that not only did she not ask, but when I mentioned I might offer to send her money, she down right refused, and told me do NOT send her any money. I guess that is a good sign. Good letters so far. I am just trying to figure out how and when to tell her about me being an SO. So far out in the dating world, I have received nothing but scorn and rejection. It is sad. And lonely.

Tazgirl
09-11-2012, 03:07 PM
Sorry that I haven't been here in a while. Struggles with the shop and personal life. As you all know, life as an SO can be troublesome at times. I am happy for all of you that have been receiving happy information. This is always the time where anticipation can make the days seem like weeks, and the weeks seem like months. On a side note, I think it is interesting that I had taken up being a pen pal to an inmate in Texas, and she and I have been having some nice conversations. I was worried at first with the concern that she may be trying to get money and such. What I liked was that not only did she not ask, but when I mentioned I might offer to send her money, she down right refused, and told me do NOT send her any money. I guess that is a good sign. Good letters so far. I am just trying to figure out how and when to tell her about me being an SO. So far out in the dating world, I have received nothing but scorn and rejection. It is sad. And lonely.

Welcome back first of all. And congrats on the pen pal. As far as telling her about being an SO. I wouldn't wait too long. Better to be honest and get it over with than later on tell her and be accused of hiding it from her. Just my opinion of course. My hubby was honest with me from the start. Good luck Bama!!

Tazgirl
09-12-2012, 08:38 PM
Ok so I have more news. Hubby called early tonight to tell me he's on chain! I feel like all of a sudden everything is happening way too fast. The parole officer visit last week and now this. And exactly one week apart. And it wasn't that long before the home visit that he had submitted this address either. Now would be a really good time to remember to breathe.

keith74mom
09-13-2012, 05:20 PM
SUPER!!! You waited long enough for this - so happy for you!!

Tazgirl
09-13-2012, 07:24 PM
SUPER!!! You waited long enough for this - so happy for you!!

Thanks! What's the latest with you?

keith74mom
09-14-2012, 06:20 AM
Waiting...........


Thanks! What's the latest with you?

Tazgirl
09-14-2012, 10:58 AM
Waiting...........



It's not always easy being patient. Your time will come. Keep your head up!

BamaInmateBro
09-17-2012, 11:02 AM
Thanks for the advice Tazgirl. I am planning to tell her real soon. I am hoping that she will be more understanding since she is on the inside and had told me in her words that "What I did is what I did, not who I am" So I will be crossing my fingers! Thanks.

Tazgirl
09-17-2012, 01:21 PM
Thanks for the advice Tazgirl. I am planning to tell her real soon. I am hoping that she will be more understanding since she is on the inside and had told me in her words that "What I did is what I did, not who I am" So I will be crossing my fingers! Thanks.

In my experience, because my husband tells me about a lot of the people he's in contact with. People on the inside do tend to be more tolerant these days than we think they are. My husband has almost never had to use a cover story and the few times he has and people have found out the truth he ends up being told he shoulda just been honest to start with. Good luck Bama!

Tazgirl
09-18-2012, 10:18 PM
So....hubby left Jordan unit last Thursday morning. Any ideas when I can expect to hear from him? I'm starting to go a little crazy here. This is the longest we've been without talking or seeing each other since 2009 due to Jordan unit only being an hour from me.

Tazgirl
09-21-2012, 06:28 PM
So I know hubby ended up at Goree. Have gotten a letter and hopefully will get a phone call soon. He said he had been told that the 18 month program had been shortened but he didn't know how much and I have no idea yet where he's getting his information. Would be great if this is true but I'm not getting my hopes up yet.

CenTexLyn
09-21-2012, 07:29 PM
So I know hubby ended up at Goree. Have gotten a letter and hopefully will get a phone call soon. He said he had been told that the 18 month program had been shortened but he didn't know how much and I have no idea yet where he's getting his information. Would be great if this is true but I'm not getting my hopes up yet.

Prior to the Board having the additional option of the nine month program, there was occasionally a decision made on the programming side that only the four-month program was needed. At that time, a transmittal would be sent to the Board to modify the FI-18R to the FI-4R vote.

At the present time, however, the three programs are still four, nine and eighteen months in duration...

Tazgirl
09-21-2012, 07:33 PM
I was afraid of that lol

Tazgirl
09-22-2012, 11:21 AM
Finally got a call last night. :-D

BamaInmateBro
10-01-2012, 07:51 AM
Finally got a call last night. :-D

YAY! Glad you got the call. Feeling a bit better now I bet. Hopefully he will get the lower time period class. 4 months and 9 months are easier, but considering the time you two have been waiting, I bet even the 18 month course will fly by in no time!

Tazgirl
10-01-2012, 12:40 PM
YAY! Glad you got the call. Feeling a bit better now I bet. Hopefully he will get the lower time period class. 4 months and 9 months are easier, but considering the time you two have been waiting, I bet even the 18 month course will fly by in no time!

He still has to do the 18 month. But he started it LAST Monday. They didn't waste any time getting him started. I can't wait to get this done.

BamaInmateBro
10-02-2012, 06:13 AM
He still has to do the 18 month. But he started it LAST Monday. They didn't waste any time getting him started. I can't wait to get this done.

I can understand how you feel. It has been a long road for you both. Good to know he has already started the classes. I know it took only 2 days after I arrived at Hightower to start mine. We are here for you if you need anything. Good luck to you both!

Tazgirl
10-02-2012, 03:36 PM
Thanks Bama. I don't know what I'd do without PTO. Which program did you do again?

BamaInmateBro
10-03-2012, 11:38 AM
Thanks Bama. I don't know what I'd do without PTO. Which program did you do again?
I was a low risk offender, so I was fortunate enough to do the 4 month program. Although I was housed with several different 18 month offenders while I was there. At that time the only classes were 18 and 4 month, and they were held at Hightower Unit.

Tazgirl
10-03-2012, 01:39 PM
I was a low risk offender, so I was fortunate enough to do the 4 month program. Although I was housed with several different 18 month offenders while I was there. At that time the only classes were 18 and 4 month, and they were held at Hightower Unit.

I see. Was asking out of the hope that you might have some idea as to how the 18 month program worked. And what its like. I do know that I can call the unit and talk to(I'm guessing) the treatment provider and they'll tell me how it's going. And hubby keeps me mostly informed. Anyway, was just curious. How are things with your pen pal by the way?

babediz30
10-03-2012, 07:52 PM
Really confused??? I know my LO has to finish the 9 month program. It has been 11 month wait to start the class. Any idea when i could expect that to happen??

Tazgirl
10-03-2012, 09:36 PM
Really confused??? I know my LO has to finish the 9 month program. It has been 11 month wait to start the class. Any idea when i could expect that to happen??

Unfortunately I can't answer your questions. But I can tell you how to get in touch with the program director. His name is Joseph Bon-Jorno. This is the number directly to his office. 936-437-2870 and if you can't get in touch by calling here's his email as well. joseph.bon-jorno@tdcj.state.tx.us

Hope that helps.

CenTexLyn
10-04-2012, 06:17 AM
Really confused??? I know my LO has to finish the 9 month program. It has been 11 month wait to start the class. Any idea when i could expect that to happen??

As I recall from the discussions at the Board Meeting the other day, the 9R programming is running about a 9-13 month backlog. The shortest backlogs were with the 4R programming.

One other consideration, not mentioned in your post, is what the tentative program-begin date was supposed to have been. That was a component of the vote when the FI-9R was recorded...and it does not begin at the same time as the vote was finalized.

babediz30
10-04-2012, 08:56 AM
Thanks CTL. I am unsure bc he never told me but I think possibly this month based on something he said way back. I'll ask him.

babediz30
10-06-2012, 03:37 PM
As I recall from the discussions at the Board Meeting the other day, the 9R programming is running about a 9-13 month backlog. The shortest backlogs were with the 4R programming.

One other consideration, not mentioned in your post, is what the tentative program-begin date was supposed to have been. That was a component of the vote when the FI-9R was recorded...and it does not begin at the same time as the vote was finalized.
Saw him today and he said the tentative start should have been this march based on what was recorded in November.

EdieGirl
10-10-2012, 04:25 AM
I was a low risk offender, so I was fortunate enough to do the 4 month program. Although I was housed with several different 18 month offenders while I was there. At that time the only classes were 18 and 4 month, and they were held at Hightower Unit.

When were you in Hightower? My dad was an SO there but we're talking like 2000-2001, somewhere around there.

TxHawker
10-10-2012, 07:31 AM
My brother made parole on his first 10 year sentence in August (two 10 year sentences stacked.) Through some still completely unknown set of circumstances but somehow involving his receiving credit for 430 days in jail, he was also seen by the IPO in August for his first parole hearing on the second 10 year sentence. I called P&P yesterday to see what the heck is going on (we weren't expecting him to come up for parole until early next year) and they told me his paperwork arrived in Angleton Sept. 26th for review. That would all be good, except he's been working on Dr. Graham's 18 month course for over a year and only has two modules left to have it complete. There is no way he's going to finish that before the PB makes a decision. If he makes parole at this point, I'm wondering if they will say "sorry, but you have to now take our 18 month course since you didn't complete Dr. Graham's course", or if they will maybe give him some credit and let him take the 4 or 9 month course. Of course he could get a one year setoff since he just came up and was approved for parole two months ago. Gawd. It's all so confusing and frustrating. He's worked so hard on Graham's course- it would be terrible if that was all wasted effort and he has to repeat the whole damn thing over again.

CenTexLyn
10-10-2012, 05:42 PM
My brother made parole on his first 10 year sentence in August (two 10 year sentences stacked.) Through some still completely unknown set of circumstances but somehow involving his receiving credit for 430 days in jail, he was also seen by the IPO in August for his first parole hearing on the second 10 year sentence. I called P&P yesterday to see what the heck is going on (we weren't expecting him to come up for parole until early next year) and they told me his paperwork arrived in Angleton Sept. 26th for review. That would all be good, except he's been working on Dr. Graham's 18 month course for over a year and only has two modules left to have it complete. There is no way he's going to finish that before the PB makes a decision. If he makes parole at this point, I'm wondering if they will say "sorry, but you have to now take our 18 month course since you didn't complete Dr. Graham's course", or if they will maybe give him some credit and let him take the 4 or 9 month course. Of course he could get a one year setoff since he just came up and was approved for parole two months ago. Gawd. It's all so confusing and frustrating. He's worked so hard on Graham's course- it would be terrible if that was all wasted effort and he has to repeat the whole damn thing over again.

Credit on the second sentence would very likely have been identical to what was given on the first sentence. And with a number of offenses, that 430 days would roughly be doubled and put someone more than beyond the initial eligibility date on the second sentence in the cumulative series.

Since he is taking Shelley's course, that suggests to me he has counsel involved in the parole efforts...and the place at which he is in the curriculum would be something the attorney should be noting in their written presentation materials, not to mention the progress report that Shelley would be providing.

The last one I saw that was taking her course but had not finished it, but also had a favorable vote got a 4R. And, as a reminder, completion of her course does not mean the Board lacks the ability to impose one of the FI-R votes...it does give the client a headstart on the process and also illustrates (properly presented) that they are motivated for treatment, something that hopefully translates well to an FI-1.

TxHawker
10-10-2012, 06:42 PM
Thanks Lyn. Unfortunately this snuck up on us and was completely unexpected. As a result I didn't retain his parole lawyer for this review (he is NOT cheap and I just paid him for the last review in August.) Heck we didn't even get a chance to write any letters of support! As his file is already at the board I doubt I could get anything in there this late. Well, they have his complete file, so hopefully they will note what we wrote two months ago and will take note of Shelly's letter. What a mess.

BamaInmateBro
10-12-2012, 07:46 AM
I see. Was asking out of the hope that you might have some idea as to how the 18 month program worked. And what its like. I do know that I can call the unit and talk to(I'm guessing) the treatment provider and they'll tell me how it's going. And hubby keeps me mostly informed. Anyway, was just curious. How are things with your pen pal by the way?

Well I was with some of the 18 month offenders in the garment factory, and for a few weeks was in a 2-man with another. I will be honest and not sugar coat it, because you deserve the truth. The 18-month program can be a bear to deal with. One of the biggest thing they stress is admitting your crime and being remorseful. you have to sit in a group of your peers and confess not only what you did, but the details of what happened. For some of them, including my cell-mate, it was pretty difficult to give the details in a group of other men, even though some had done similar crimes. The class is pretty intensive and they spend a lot of time doing out-of-class work as well. A lot of the program involves teaching the same things we learned in the 4-month class, but with a stronger emphasis, and more intense discussions. For instance we learned things such as how to identify improper thoughts and behaviors. We then learned how to identify triggering events and how to either avoid them altogether, or to get oneself out of the situation. We also learned a lot about how to live life where we keep ourselves at a lower risk. For instance they say that if your route driving to work and back takes you by a topless bar at night, then to find a different route that doesn't have you passing this place. If you have to run errands during the day, make it early, and not during the time schools let out. You have to realize that these programs do not tailor themselves to each individual. As far as they are concerned in the programs, each of us are high risk people who are unable to risk any type of temptation. They don't do any real one-on-one help from what I have experienced, and heard about. Again, I was in the 4-month program, which is designed more for those who have a lower-level crime, or a low-risk crime. Most if the guys in my class were the Romeo/Juliette offenders, or pornography offenders. Though we did have a few that were of higher class offenses, but only had 5-10 months left in their sentence, and would not be able to complete the 18 month program by their release date. Heck, we had one guy in our class the left in the 3rd month because his time was served. He wrote his cellie and told him that he was pissed, because they put his as a high-risk offender on the outside because he "was unable to complete the designated program". But I digress. The 18 month program tends more towards helping an offender recognize what they did, and taking ownership. What is really crazy is they tell you in class that you are expected to admit to everything you have ever done in life, and they tell you that what you reveal will not be used against you. We knew that was a bunch of junk because one of the guys in our class said he was in the program a few years back and admitted to something he did, and they took him out of the class, got a bench warrant, and tried him again, where he got another 5 year sentence tacked on. He even had the same teacher for the class. There is no therapist-client privacy. Everything you mention in class is kept record of.

When were you in Hightower? My dad was an SO there but we're talking like 2000-2001, somewhere around there.

Yeah, In 2000-2001 I was enjoying my then free life in Daytona Beach where I lived. I didn't get to Hightower until March of 2011, and completed my class in July of 2011. Things are a bit different there now. At Hightower everyone there knows who the SOs are, and they never gave us any crap. We worked with them, went to the same classes as them (Changes III, etc... not the SO classes of course) and for the most part, they didn't give us any trouble. A few would be a-holes, but surprisingly the long-timers were the ones who put them in line. I was quite surprised because on a regular unit I had to keep my situation totally private because one SO got found out and beat down. I was scared as hell on that unit, I will admit. I assume your dad is now out?

TxHawker
10-12-2012, 07:52 AM
Great news! We found out yesterday afternoon that my brother made parole on his second sentence! Yay!!! He received a 4R. The person I talked to at the Angleton office said he will start the program in December- I'm not sure is that's really true about the date (isn't that a TDCJ thing?) but we're going with it! Now I need to figure out how to get his paroled to me. As I understand it,they typically parole the person back to where the crime was committed? There is nothing for him there- his wife passed away his first year in, the house was foreclosed on, etc. Is this something he requests then they contact me, or do I have to contact someone? I searched the P&P site but didn't find anything.

EdieGirl
10-12-2012, 10:13 AM
Well I was with some of the 18 month offenders in the garment factory, and for a few weeks was in a 2-man with another. I will be honest and not sugar coat it, because you deserve the truth. The 18-month program can be a bear to deal with. One of the biggest thing they stress is admitting your crime and being remorseful. you have to sit in a group of your peers and confess not only what you did, but the details of what happened. For some of them, including my cell-mate, it was pretty difficult to give the details in a group of other men, even though some had done similar crimes. The class is pretty intensive and they spend a lot of time doing out-of-class work as well. A lot of the program involves teaching the same things we learned in the 4-month class, but with a stronger emphasis, and more intense discussions. For instance we learned things such as how to identify improper thoughts and behaviors. We then learned how to identify triggering events and how to either avoid them altogether, or to get oneself out of the situation. We also learned a lot about how to live life where we keep ourselves at a lower risk. For instance they say that if your route driving to work and back takes you by a topless bar at night, then to find a different route that doesn't have you passing this place. If you have to run errands during the day, make it early, and not during the time schools let out. You have to realize that these programs do not tailor themselves to each individual. As far as they are concerned in the programs, each of us are high risk people who are unable to risk any type of temptation. They don't do any real one-on-one help from what I have experienced, and heard about. Again, I was in the 4-month program, which is designed more for those who have a lower-level crime, or a low-risk crime. Most if the guys in my class were the Romeo/Juliette offenders, or pornography offenders. Though we did have a few that were of higher class offenses, but only had 5-10 months left in their sentence, and would not be able to complete the 18 month program by their release date. Heck, we had one guy in our class the left in the 3rd month because his time was served. He wrote his cellie and told him that he was pissed, because they put his as a high-risk offender on the outside because he "was unable to complete the designated program". But I digress. The 18 month program tends more towards helping an offender recognize what they did, and taking ownership. What is really crazy is they tell you in class that you are expected to admit to everything you have ever done in life, and they tell you that what you reveal will not be used against you. We knew that was a bunch of junk because one of the guys in our class said he was in the program a few years back and admitted to something he did, and they took him out of the class, got a bench warrant, and tried him again, where he got another 5 year sentence tacked on. He even had the same teacher for the class. There is no therapist-client privacy. Everything you mention in class is kept record of.

Yeah, In 2000-2001 I was enjoying my then free life in Daytona Beach where I lived. I didn't get to Hightower until March of 2011, and completed my class in July of 2011. Things are a bit different there now. At Hightower everyone there knows who the SOs are, and they never gave us any crap. We worked with them, went to the same classes as them (Changes III, etc... not the SO classes of course) and for the most part, they didn't give us any trouble. A few would be a-holes, but surprisingly the long-timers were the ones who put them in line. I was quite surprised because on a regular unit I had to keep my situation totally private because one SO got found out and beat down. I was scared as hell on that unit, I will admit. I assume your dad is now out?

Yes he is in fact I think he was actually there around 99-00 I'm not too sure anymore.

That's scary how you mention they do take what you open up with against you. My husband is going through his classes and he's been very dedicated to them and has opened up, mostly about childhood things and stuff like that but now I'm worried they'll hold things like that against him :-/

He's almost home, I can't believe it. I just hope everything goes smoothly, God willing he'll be home late Dec early January :)

Tazgirl
10-12-2012, 04:11 PM
Great news! We found out yesterday afternoon that my brother made parole on his second sentence! Yay!!! He received a 4R. The person I talked to at the Angleton office said he will start the program in December- I'm not sure is that's really true about the date (isn't that a TDCJ thing?) but we're going with it! Now I need to figure out how to get his paroled to me. As I understand it,they typically parole the person back to where the crime was committed? There is nothing for him there- his wife passed away his first year in, the house was foreclosed on, etc. Is this something he requests then they contact me, or do I have to contact someone? I searched the P&P site but didn't find anything.

That's fantastic news!!!! So happy and excited for you. He'll need to submit an address or home plan to the IPO. That's what my hubby did. Quite literally a week before the parole officer visited the house. Soooo excited for you!!!

Tazgirl
10-12-2012, 04:52 PM
Well I was with some of the 18 month offenders in the garment factory, and for a few weeks was in a 2-man with another. I will be honest and not sugar coat it, because you deserve the truth. The 18-month program can be a bear to deal with. One of the biggest thing they stress is admitting your crime and being remorseful. you have to sit in a group of your peers and confess not only what you did, but the details of what happened. For some of them, including my cell-mate, it was pretty difficult to give the details in a group of other men, even though some had done similar crimes. The class is pretty intensive and they spend a lot of time doing out-of-class work as well. A lot of the program involves teaching the same things we learned in the 4-month class, but with a stronger emphasis, and more intense discussions. For instance we learned things such as how to identify improper thoughts and behaviors. We then learned how to identify triggering events and how to either avoid them altogether, or to get oneself out of the situation. We also learned a lot about how to live life where we keep ourselves at a lower risk. For instance they say that if your route driving to work and back takes you by a topless bar at night, then to find a different route that doesn't have you passing this place. If you have to run errands during the day, make it early, and not during the time schools let out. You have to realize that these programs do not tailor themselves to each individual. As far as they are concerned in the programs, each of us are high risk people who are unable to risk any type of temptation. They don't do any real one-on-one help from what I have experienced, and heard about. Again, I was in the 4-month program, which is designed more for those who have a lower-level crime, or a low-risk crime. Most if the guys in my class were the Romeo/Juliette offenders, or pornography offenders. Though we did have a few that were of higher class offenses, but only had 5-10 months left in their sentence, and would not be able to complete the 18 month program by their release date. Heck, we had one guy in our class the left in the 3rd month because his time was served. He wrote his cellie and told him that he was pissed, because they put his as a high-risk offender on the outside because he "was unable to complete the designated program". But I digress. The 18 month program tends more towards helping an offender recognize what they did, and taking ownership. What is really crazy is they tell you in class that you are expected to admit to everything you have ever done in life, and they tell you that what you reveal will not be used against you. We knew that was a bunch of junk because one of the guys in our class said he was in the program a few years back and admitted to something he did, and they took him out of the class, got a bench warrant, and tried him again, where he got another 5 year sentence tacked on. He even had the same teacher for the class. There is no therapist-client privacy. Everything you mention in class is kept record of.


I appreciate your honesty. Hubby has told me a lot of the same things. He really doesn't have any problems with talking about any of it. But then, his so called crime was unknowing and unintentional anyway. He still takes full responsibility for everything. He knows he made a mistake and can admit that and do what he's gotta do and move on. I've already warned him about watching what he says and not ever believing any of those people are going to look out for him. Considering that this is the only crime aside from minor traffic violations he'd ever committed I think he'll be alright. He's used to treatment not being personalized. He was having to do the same thing when he was in probation. Which I'm convinced that the so called "treatment provider" was a big part of the reason he got revoked. The man treated them like they were all monsters and I'm sure had some of them believing they were. It took me a while to convince my husband that unknowingly having consensual sex with a minor did not make him a pedophile or a monster. When we talked last night he told me that the treatment provider he has now has even said she's doesn't know why he's there. He's not a sexual predator. So, again. I think he'll be alright. Thank you for the info and again I appreciate you not sugar coating it. :-)

Tazgirl
10-12-2012, 09:51 PM
I appreciate your honesty. Hubby has told me a lot of the same things. He really doesn't have any problems with talking about any of it. But then, his so called crime was unknowing and unintentional anyway. He still takes full responsibility for everything. He knows he made a mistake and can admit that and do what he's gotta do and move on. I've already warned him about watching what he says and not ever believing any of those people are going to look out for him. Considering that this is the only crime aside from minor traffic violations he'd ever committed I think he'll be alright. He's used to treatment not being personalized. He was having to do the same thing when he was in probation. Which I'm convinced that the so called "treatment provider" was a big part of the reason he got revoked. The man treated them like they were all monsters and I'm sure had some of them believing they were. It took me a while to convince my husband that unknowingly having consensual sex with a minor did not make him a pedophile or a monster. When we talked last night he told me that the treatment provider he has now has even said she's doesn't know why he's there. He's not a sexual predator. So, again. I think he'll be alright. Thank you for the info and again I appreciate you not sugar coating it. :-)

I've been thinking about this since I posted it earlier. I hope no one takes it as me thinking my husbands crime as being any better than anyone else's. It's not. A crime is a crime. I was mainly just repeating what he told me the treatment provider said. Sorry if it sounded any different.

OnTheWater
10-13-2012, 10:57 AM
Congrats TxHawker on your brother's FI -- that's great news! My son is a RSO and was in TDC for some time and I know that situation was a tricky line for him to walk. He was in and out of seg and moved around to different units. It's great to know that your brother has a date! That really gives him something positive to focus on!! :)

BamaInmateBro
10-15-2012, 11:34 AM
Yes he is in fact I think he was actually there around 99-00 I'm not too sure anymore.

That's scary how you mention they do take what you open up with against you. My husband is going through his classes and he's been very dedicated to them and has opened up, mostly about childhood things and stuff like that but now I'm worried they'll hold things like that against him :-/

He's almost home, I can't believe it. I just hope everything goes smoothly, God willing he'll be home late Dec early January :)

Things that happened in your childhood they usually take with a grain of salt. It is when one casually mentions his 16 year old girlfriend when they were 19 that gets them into trouble.
I also hope that your hubby gets to come home soon. I am looking forward to my GF getting out in about 6 months I believe it is. I am about to write the letter that tells her about my past. I hope she doesn't scare away. That is my biggest fear. No woman here in the free world wants to hear anything about the details of what I did and the progress that I have made. The second they hear I am an SO, they are gone.



I appreciate your honesty. Hubby has told me a lot of the same things. He really doesn't have any problems with talking about any of it. But then, his so called crime was unknowing and unintentional anyway. He still takes full responsibility for everything. He knows he made a mistake and can admit that and do what he's gotta do and move on. I've already warned him about watching what he says and not ever believing any of those people are going to look out for him. Considering that this is the only crime aside from minor traffic violations he'd ever committed I think he'll be alright. He's used to treatment not being personalized. He was having to do the same thing when he was in probation. Which I'm convinced that the so called "treatment provider" was a big part of the reason he got revoked. The man treated them like they were all monsters and I'm sure had some of them believing they were. It took me a while to convince my husband that unknowingly having consensual sex with a minor did not make him a pedophile or a monster. When we talked last night he told me that the treatment provider he has now has even said she's doesn't know why he's there. He's not a sexual predator. So, again. I think he'll be alright. Thank you for the info and again I appreciate you not sugar coating it. :-)

You are not the only person I have heard about that has has issues with the so-called "counselors" that the treatment programs have for probationers. It seems like they all think we are just horrible monsters, and that every SO in the world wants to rape and kill little babies. It's rediculous. And the powers-to-be don't care what the counselors think of us.

I've been thinking about this since I posted it earlier. I hope no one takes it as me thinking my husbands crime as being any better than anyone else's. It's not. A crime is a crime. I was mainly just repeating what he told me the treatment provider said. Sorry if it sounded any different.

Don't worry. You cant get people to think of anyone much worse than they think of me. I know there are different levels of offenses and that people make mistakes. No offense is taken at all. I just love how they talk about us in the groups. My favorite was when I was with a counselor and he was talking about how what I did was horrible, and that it was not the fault of the woman who raped me when I was a child. I alone made the decision to do what I did. Then that same counselor talked to the guy next to me and said for him to think about the damage he did to his daughter by doing what he did to her. And that now his daughter might grow up and be scared for life, and could potentially do the same thing to a child. I was like WTF? How is what happened to HIS daughter and different than what happened to ME when I was a kid? The counselor's answer?: I am a man, and I should be able to have handled what happened to me better.

Tazgirl
10-15-2012, 02:58 PM
Things that happened in your childhood they usually take with a grain of salt. It is when one casually mentions his 16 year old girlfriend when they were 19 that gets them into trouble.
I also hope that your hubby gets to come home soon. I am looking forward to my GF getting out in about 6 months I believe it is. I am about to write the letter that tells her about my past. I hope she doesn't scare away. That is my biggest fear. No woman here in the free world wants to hear anything about the details of what I did and the progress that I have made. The second they hear I am an SO, they are gone.





You are not the only person I have heard about that has has issues with the so-called "counselors" that the treatment programs have for probationers. It seems like they all think we are just horrible monsters, and that every SO in the world wants to rape and kill little babies. It's rediculous. And the powers-to-be don't care what the counselors think of us.



Don't worry. You cant get people to think of anyone much worse than they think of me. I know there are different levels of offenses and that people make mistakes. No offense is taken at all. I just love how they talk about us in the groups. My favorite was when I was with a counselor and he was talking about how what I did was horrible, and that it was not the fault of the woman who raped me when I was a child. I alone made the decision to do what I did. Then that same counselor talked to the guy next to me and said for him to think about the damage he did to his daughter by doing what he did to her. And that now his daughter might grow up and be scared for life, and could potentially do the same thing to a child. I was like WTF? How is what happened to HIS daughter and different than what happened to ME when I was a kid? The counselor's answer?: I am a man, and I should be able to have handled what happened to me better.


I have also heard about a lot of people who have had issues with these treatment providers out here. Unfortunately the probation officer hubby had was just as much part of the problem. I think she was always just looking for a reason to revoke him. I was sooo relieved when I called the parole officer that came to see if I could go ahead and take the chaperone class gave a different name. I don't think we'd survive the same one again. In fact I know we wouldn't. Haven't tried to find too much info on this other one yet but I'm really hoping he's better.

I'm glad I didn't offend you. Your responses to my questions are priceless to me. And I hope I didn't offend anyone else. I really don't think my husbands crime is any better than anyone else's. I think maybe we all kinda think that to some small degree. But not to the point that I believe that what he did is any better somehow because of the circumstances. If that makes any sense at all. I don't think what happened to you is any different than what happened to that other guys daughter. Rape is rape and abuse is abuse. It doesn't matter if it happens to a male or female. And I'm sorry that did happen to you.

BamaInmateBro
10-17-2012, 02:00 PM
I have also heard about a lot of people who have had issues with these treatment providers out here. Unfortunately the probation officer hubby had was just as much part of the problem. I think she was always just looking for a reason to revoke him. I was sooo relieved when I called the parole officer that came to see if I could go ahead and take the chaperone class gave a different name. I don't think we'd survive the same one again. In fact I know we wouldn't. Haven't tried to find too much info on this other one yet but I'm really hoping he's better.

I'm glad I didn't offend you. Your responses to my questions are priceless to me. And I hope I didn't offend anyone else. I really don't think my husbands crime is any better than anyone else's. I think maybe we all kinda think that to some small degree. But not to the point that I believe that what he did is any better somehow because of the circumstances. If that makes any sense at all. I don't think what happened to you is any different than what happened to that other guys daughter. Rape is rape and abuse is abuse. It doesn't matter if it happens to a male or female. And I'm sorry that did happen to you.

I really do enjoy your responses, as well as the others. It does help knowing that there are people out there that know we are not all monsters. Unfortunately the media and movies tend to take things out of proportion, and sensationalize things for ratings. If we were to believe the movies and TV shows then every SO is always out there looking to kidnap and rape little kids every moment of their lives, and that those who have been arrested are back on the streets doing it again after release.

FACTS on the other hand show that of those convicted, there is less than 5% recividism. Not what the movies and news want you to think. Even my case was a perfect example.

I think anyone who has looked at my postings know I am an SO due to child pornography. I used a stupid thought process to deal with my past. No need for details there. Now the NEWS had a field day with me. When I was arrested the news that night said that I was the head of a CP ring (please! I don't personally know a single person involved in this stuff, nor did i sell, make, or buy it) They also said that the police seized thousands of CDs and video tapes (again an exageration. I didn't even own more than 150 cds, and since my case is over, and I am progressing from this, I feel free enough to say I had 4 cds with the material on it. That's it. The rest of the CDs were regular movies, and music cds. The video tapes? yeah, most of my kids Disney movies and some family videos from Xmas over the years. I think we still had 4 or 5 home movies, and 15-20 of the kid's Disney movies) According to the DA, since I had 2 daughters in the home, and we hosted exchange students, that both me and my wife had to have been molesting all of them, and that they would be certain to find the videos. Truth? Even after hours of the DA grilling my daughters, and having the past exchange students interviews by Interpol (Yeah, they thought it was a big thing) Not only did my daughters tell them that nothing happened, one of the exchange students even told the police that I was a great man and father, and that she wouldn't ever believe I would touch any of them, and to "fu*k off and let me go home!"

This just goes to show you how the media and those in power will try to scare the world into thinking everyone is a monster. Is what I did worse than others who maybe dated a girl a few years younger, or a 25 year old guy having sex with a 16 or 17 year old? In my opinion, yes. And I am entitled to that opinion. I also know that I have moved beyond this, and what I have done. Some people who have committed the same crime as I have may say it is a victimless crime, and that they never actually DID anything to the kids, they just watched the videos. To that I say those of us convicted of CP have more victims than anyone! Every girl who has ever been molested as a child and known that a video was made and has seen those of us charged/convicted will have to wonder if we saw HER video. And she will have to relive that horror all over. I hate myself for that. I am having to heal, and I can only pray that they can heal.

Thanks for letting me get this off my chest. I hope none of you think any less of me after reading this. This is after all Sex Offender information right? Lol.

Tazgirl
10-17-2012, 02:57 PM
I really do enjoy your responses, as well as the others. It does help knowing that there are people out there that know we are not all monsters. Unfortunately the media and movies tend to take things out of proportion, and sensationalize things for ratings. If we were to believe the movies and TV shows then every SO is always out there looking to kidnap and rape little kids every moment of their lives, and that those who have been arrested are back on the streets doing it again after release.

FACTS on the other hand show that of those convicted, there is less than 5% recividism. Not what the movies and news want you to think. Even my case was a perfect example.

I think anyone who has looked at my postings know I am an SO due to child pornography. I used a stupid thought process to deal with my past. No need for details there. Now the NEWS had a field day with me. When I was arrested the news that night said that I was the head of a CP ring (please! I don't personally know a single person involved in this stuff, nor did i sell, make, or buy it) They also said that the police seized thousands of CDs and video tapes (again an exageration. I didn't even own more than 150 cds, and since my case is over, and I am progressing from this, I feel free enough to say I had 4 cds with the material on it. That's it. The rest of the CDs were regular movies, and music cds. The video tapes? yeah, most of my kids Disney movies and some family videos from Xmas over the years. I think we still had 4 or 5 home movies, and 15-20 of the kid's Disney movies) According to the DA, since I had 2 daughters in the home, and we hosted exchange students, that both me and my wife had to have been molesting all of them, and that they would be certain to find the videos. Truth? Even after hours of the DA grilling my daughters, and having the past exchange students interviews by Interpol (Yeah, they thought it was a big thing) Not only did my daughters tell them that nothing happened, one of the exchange students even told the police that I was a great man and father, and that she wouldn't ever believe I would touch any of them, and to "fu*k off and let me go home!"

This just goes to show you how the media and those in power will try to scare the world into thinking everyone is a monster. Is what I did worse than others who maybe dated a girl a few years younger, or a 25 year old guy having sex with a 16 or 17 year old? In my opinion, yes. And I am entitled to that opinion. I also know that I have moved beyond this, and what I have done. Some people who have committed the same crime as I have may say it is a victimless crime, and that they never actually DID anything to the kids, they just watched the videos. To that I say those of us convicted of CP have more victims than anyone! Every girl who has ever been molested as a child and known that a video was made and has seen those of us charged/convicted will have to wonder if we saw HER video. And she will have to relive that horror all over. I hate myself for that. I am having to heal, and I can only pray that they can heal.

Thanks for letting me get this off my chest. I hope none of you think any less of me after reading this. This is after all Sex Offender information right? Lol.

You're absolutely right, this is sex offender information. Don't know if you've found it yet but Loving A Sex Offender might be a good place for you to check out. I'm on my cell so I can't copy and paste the link. There's always people there looking for the kind of information and experience you can share. And well, it's a fantastic group of people.

I really believe that healing is a big part of what PTO brings. Not just for those of us with loved ones in prison but for ex offenders as well. I know if I hadn't found this place if be completely bonkers by now.(some might say I am anyway):-)) I most certainly don't think any less of you. My husband was the first "sex offender" I'd ever had any experience with. Before that I had no idea what a sex offense even was. I lived a very sheltered life growing up and very secluded life with my first live in. I've learned a lot in the last ten years. I know I've never shared our story in this thread but I did in LASO. However, since you'd have to dig through the archives to find it now I'll share.

When my husband was 21 and before we met he was charged with one count of sexual assault of a minor and one count agg sexual assault of a minor. He was at a party, had been drinking and had consentual sex with these two females who said they were 18. He was doing 10 years deferred adjudication when we met. He and his ex wife were still together but having problems. Their daughter was living with his grandparents because of his charges and because her mother wasn't taking care of her. Shortly after he and his ex split up she went and took their daughter from his grandparents house. He kinda lost it. No one knew where she was.(she is is world). We both lost our jobs over it and then his car broke down. After missing just one treatment session his provider kicked him out of the class. Before that we had gone to CPS to try to find out what to do about his daughter. The treatment provider tried to tell him he had been to the CPS office with two different women and one of them was pregnant. I was the only one with him both times he went and definitely NOT PREGNANT but the worker we spoke to was pregnant. His probation officer was only too happy to play along though. When he saw her the last time before he was revoked he told her what had happened with his daughter. The PO's response was to tell him that he never loved his daughter and that he and his ex wife were in on it together and they were going to take their daughter and leave the state. And tried to get me to agree with her!! The next week when he went for his visit he was arrested. We had only been together about 6 months and I couldn't afford an attorney and his family wouldn't help. So here we are ten years later and finally doing the 18 month SOTP. Btw, they went back and sentenced him on the original charges. He got two 15 yr sentences served concurrent.


Really, he had no choice. That was the only plea deal ever offered and he left the choice to me. I wasn't willing to risk going to trial. I've wondered every day what might have been different. But I digress.


Maybe you can tell me, I got a letter from hubby today talking about how he'd ruined these girls' lives. I guess I see it differently. They lied about their ages and because of that ruined his life. Is this something he's supposed to "admit to and accept" because of this program? Are they going to have him believing he's a monster all over again by the time he comes home?

Tazgirl
10-17-2012, 02:59 PM
One more thing. Getting this stuff off your chest is what we're here for. And I have heard it said that those convicted of CP have more victims. And they are victimized over and over again. I guess in a lot of ways that's true. But no one ever stops to think that they may have been victims themselves. I'm sorry for what you've been through Bama and I'm glad that you've found the courage to share and grow from it.

BamaInmateBro
10-22-2012, 11:36 AM
You're absolutely right, this is sex offender information. Don't know if you've found it yet but Loving A Sex Offender might be a good place for you to check out. I'm on my cell so I can't copy and paste the link. There's always people there looking for the kind of information and experience you can share. And well, it's a fantastic group of people.

I really believe that healing is a big part of what PTO brings. Not just for those of us with loved ones in prison but for ex offenders as well. I know if I hadn't found this place if be completely bonkers by now.(some might say I am anyway):-)) I most certainly don't think any less of you. My husband was the first "sex offender" I'd ever had any experience with. Before that I had no idea what a sex offense even was. I lived a very sheltered life growing up and very secluded life with my first live in. I've learned a lot in the last ten years. I know I've never shared our story in this thread but I did in LASO. However, since you'd have to dig through the archives to find it now I'll share.

When my husband was 21 and before we met he was charged with one count of sexual assault of a minor and one count agg sexual assault of a minor. He was at a party, had been drinking and had consentual sex with these two females who said they were 18. He was doing 10 years deferred adjudication when we met. He and his ex wife were still together but having problems. Their daughter was living with his grandparents because of his charges and because her mother wasn't taking care of her. Shortly after he and his ex split up she went and took their daughter from his grandparents house. He kinda lost it. No one knew where she was.(she is is world). We both lost our jobs over it and then his car broke down. After missing just one treatment session his provider kicked him out of the class. Before that we had gone to CPS to try to find out what to do about his daughter. The treatment provider tried to tell him he had been to the CPS office with two different women and one of them was pregnant. I was the only one with him both times he went and definitely NOT PREGNANT but the worker we spoke to was pregnant. His probation officer was only too happy to play along though. When he saw her the last time before he was revoked he told her what had happened with his daughter. The PO's response was to tell him that he never loved his daughter and that he and his ex wife were in on it together and they were going to take their daughter and leave the state. And tried to get me to agree with her!! The next week when he went for his visit he was arrested. We had only been together about 6 months and I couldn't afford an attorney and his family wouldn't help. So here we are ten years later and finally doing the 18 month SOTP. Btw, they went back and sentenced him on the original charges. He got two 15 yr sentences served concurrent.


Really, he had no choice. That was the only plea deal ever offered and he left the choice to me. I wasn't willing to risk going to trial. I've wondered every day what might have been different. But I digress.


Maybe you can tell me, I got a letter from hubby today talking about how he'd ruined these girls' lives. I guess I see it differently. They lied about their ages and because of that ruined his life. Is this something he's supposed to "admit to and accept" because of this program? Are they going to have him believing he's a monster all over again by the time he comes home?

One more thing. Getting this stuff off your chest is what we're here for. And I have heard it said that those convicted of CP have more victims. And they are victimized over and over again. I guess in a lot of ways that's true. But no one ever stops to think that they may have been victims themselves. I'm sorry for what you've been through Bama and I'm glad that you've found the courage to share and grow from it.

I can see how what your husband went through has been difficult for you. there are a LOT of cases of what is commonly called "Romeo/Juliette" sex offenses. As far as victimization, if your husband plays the part and admits that what he did victimized the girls, he has a higher chance of getting a lower risk assessment at the end of the program. Those who tend to argue that they were innocent, and things such as that usually (but not always) find themselves on the higher risk list.

the unfortunate truth in a lot of cases is that most of the people who work in this field are those who want to "Champion" the cause. Those are also usually the ones who were victims themselves, or had a family member that was. though this is not always the case, I have done a little research and found it is above 50%. This already puts us offenders behind the curve. Many of those who are on the counseling side only think of what the law states, and what society dictates. If you really look at history you will find that it was less than 100 years ago that women were married and pushing out children at 15! That was norm for society at that time. Today society in the US says that 18 is the "proper" age for consent. though it is lower in some states. (In some states in the US, 16 is actually the age of consent dependent on the age of the other person, and if they are in a "position of power" at the time, though this has been in the process of being changed) Are we to think that 100 years ago that everyone back then were a bunch of sick pedophiles? Of course not. It is the way society dictates it. What if in 10 more years they increased the age of consent to 21? Would you then think that a 25 year old having sex with a 20 year old was a sick person? It is all perception, and what society deems is appropriate.

Saying this I am not in ANY way trying to infer that a 25 year old having sex with a 10 year old is acceptable. Please don't misunderstand me. I am simply indicating that it is society that makes the decisions. Would you say that in Brazil that the children grow up there as traumatized kids? That they are scared for life? Yet the age of consent in Brazil is 14! That is because in Brazil, THAT is what their society deems is acceptable. Imagine a person who grew up in Brazil moving to the US when they were 16. How confusing for them? More REAL effort needs to go into understanding society and how the rules and laws are created and enforced.

Again, I am not excusing what I personally did. I made some VERY poor decisions and have to live with the consequences. I own my crime, and blame nobody else.

deerwoman
10-22-2012, 02:37 PM
Bama, I don't think you are a monster, no more than my son is a monster.

Tazgirl
10-22-2012, 09:08 PM
I can see how what your husband went through has been difficult for you. there are a LOT of cases of what is commonly called "Romeo/Juliette" sex offenses. As far as victimization, if your husband plays the part and admits that what he did victimized the girls, he has a higher chance of getting a lower risk assessment at the end of the program. Those who tend to argue that they were innocent, and things such as that usually (but not always) find themselves on the higher risk list.

the unfortunate truth in a lot of cases is that most of the people who work in this field are those who want to "Champion" the cause. Those are also usually the ones who were victims themselves, or had a family member that was. though this is not always the case, I have done a little research and found it is above 50%. This already puts us offenders behind the curve. Many of those who are on the counseling side only think of what the law states, and what society dictates. If you really look at history you will find that it was less than 100 years ago that women were married and pushing out children at 15! That was norm for society at that time. Today society in the US says that 18 is the "proper" age for consent. though it is lower in some states. (In some states in the US, 16 is actually the age of consent dependent on the age of the other person, and if they are in a "position of power" at the time, though this has been in the process of being changed) Are we to think that 100 years ago that everyone back then were a bunch of sick pedophiles? Of course not. It is the way society dictates it. What if in 10 more years they increased the age of consent to 21? Would you then think that a 25 year old having sex with a 20 year old was a sick person? It is all perception, and what society deems is appropriate.

Saying this I am not in ANY way trying to infer that a 25 year old having sex with a 10 year old is acceptable. Please don't misunderstand me. I am simply indicating that it is society that makes the decisions. Would you say that in Brazil that the children grow up there as traumatized kids? That they are scared for life? Yet the age of consent in Brazil is 14! That is because in Brazil, THAT is what their society deems is acceptable. Imagine a person who grew up in Brazil moving to the US when they were 16. How confusing for them? More REAL effort needs to go into understanding society and how the rules and laws are created and enforced.

Again, I am not excusing what I personally did. I made some VERY poor decisions and have to live with the consequences. I own my crime, and blame nobody else.


I totally get what youre saying. My hubby checked to see what his risk level was last week. It was 1. :) You're absolutely right about what society deems as acceptable. I guess in my mind I'm a lot more lenient than most too. I can accept up to a ten year age difference as long as that doesn't mean the girl is under 12 or 13. At least. And once upon a time even in THIS country that was acceptable. My own grabdparents are 11 years apart. My great grandparents were quite a few years apart as well. But I digress. We ALL make bad decisions in life. I think the only difference is that not everyone gets caught. And I saw it posted somewhere else that what people who view cp need is HELP not prison. I agree with that whole heartedly. Instead of sending people to prison where they fight for their lives every day I think we should focus more on getting them the help they need. And again, I DO NOT think you're a monster.

mzjenn09
10-23-2012, 02:40 AM
kind of confuse with this who conversation, but my husband will see parol in 3 more yrs is their anything i can do to have him get that parol date? anyone know any good parol lawyers who actually are good?

Tazgirl
10-23-2012, 06:42 AM
kind of confuse with this who conversation, but my husband will see parol in 3 more yrs is their anything i can do to have him get that parol date? anyone know any good parol lawyers who actually are good?

Hi mzjenn. Sorry it's gotten kinda hard to follow. Even though his ped is still 3 years away you can be writing support letters and putting together a parole packet. I didn't use a parole attorney but there are several listed in the Texas Parole Preparation forum. I'd post a link for you but I'm on my phone and can't right now. Hopefully someone will come along shortly with that info for you. If not I can do it this afternoon. Good luck!

BamaInmateBro
10-23-2012, 10:34 AM
Bama, I don't think you are a monster, no more than my son is a monster.

Thank you. I truly appreciate that.

kind of confuse with this who conversation, but my husband will see parol in 3 more yrs is their anything i can do to have him get that parol date? anyone know any good parol lawyers who actually are good?

3 years is not a very long time frame. It will creep up on you fast. First I would suggest that you do as mentioned above and get your parole packet started. Right now you don't need a parole attorney in my opinion. We didn't get my parole attorney until just before I went in for my parole interview. There are a few things that are overlooked that you will want to prepare for. One is to make sure that you have an acceptable address for him to parole to. Do this early, as it will delay his release if an acceptable home is not prepared. Get support letters from as many friends and family members as you can. The more showing of support on the outside the better. I personally suggest to get them within 6 months of his expected interview date. This shows a RECENT group of supporters, not letters that are a couple of years old. Letters from his Chaplain from the outside would be good as well. Be prepared for him to have to complete one of the 3 programs for pre-release. The 3 programs are based on several factors including his offense, how much time he has left in his serve-all, and the recommendations from parole. Each are different lengths. Currently the 3 programs are 4,9, or 18 months long, and some have a wait list.

Parole attorneys are by personal preference. I have had some people say they don't use them. MOST of the Sex Offenders that I have talked to though suggest to use one. Get one that will charge a flat fee, not a progressive scale. My family pays $3000 for mine, but she was listed as the best in Texas, and had several appearances on some prime-time shows. My family did a lot of research on her. Her name is Nicole DeBorde, and she is based in Houston. Google her and you will find her easily. This is a PERSONAL recommendation, and not a solicitation.

Good luck to you and your family!

Renee
10-23-2012, 01:52 PM
Here's a link to the Texas Parole Attorney Information (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=1630) Forum. Good luck!

mzjenn09
10-23-2012, 03:40 PM
Thank you. I truly appreciate that.



3 years is not a very long time frame. It will creep up on you fast. First I would suggest that you do as mentioned above and get your parole packet started. Right now you don't need a parole attorney in my opinion. We didn't get my parole attorney until just before I went in for my parole interview. There are a few things that are overlooked that you will want to prepare for. One is to make sure that you have an acceptable address for him to parole to. Do this early, as it will delay his release if an acceptable home is not prepared. Get support letters from as many friends and family members as you can. The more showing of support on the outside the better. I personally suggest to get them within 6 months of his expected interview date. This shows a RECENT group of supporters, not letters that are a couple of years old. Letters from his Chaplain from the outside would be good as well. Be prepared for him to have to complete one of the 3 programs for pre-release. The 3 programs are based on several factors including his offense, how much time he has left in his serve-all, and the recommendations from parole. Each are different lengths. Currently the 3 programs are 4,9, or 18 months long, and some have a wait list.

Parole attorneys are by personal preference. I have had some people say they don't use them. MOST of the Sex Offenders that I have talked to though suggest to use one. Get one that will charge a flat fee, not a progressive scale. My family pays $3000 for mine, but she was listed as the best in Texas, and had several appearances on some prime-time shows. My family did a lot of research on her. Her name is Nicole DeBorde, and she is based in Houston. Google her and you will find her easily. This is a PERSONAL recommendation, and not a solicitation.

Good luck to you and your family!
Thank you all & thank u also :) do u know of the 3 programs he should complete? also thats the parol lawyer i was looking for everyone says shes good!

BamaInmateBro
10-24-2012, 08:08 AM
Thank you all & thank u also :) do u know of the 3 programs he should complete? also thats the parol lawyer i was looking for everyone says shes good!


The choice of the programs is based on what the Parole and Pardons decide when they examine his parole paperwork. There is no way of knowing what they will give him. One thing I HAVE learned is that no SO gets out without completing or being enrolled in one of the 3 programs. I am glad to hear the Mrs. DeBorde is still being recommended. I am not sure how accurate the information was that my wife found out, but what my wife told me was that Mrs. DeBorde has a higher percentage of her clients getting their first approval. I was one of them. I had only been in TDCJ for 3 months when I went before the IPO at Holiday Unit (I was temp housed there at the intake unit) and it took only a month to get my response: Approved upon completion of FI-4R program. Our entire family was shocked to say the least. Of course it took over 8 months of wait listing to get into the program, but I have heard from others on here that the wait list is much shorter now that they have 3 units that do some of the programs. Some people may disagree with me, but I felt it helped my case when I was being interviews by telling the IPO that I was quite willing to take the treatment program available. Good luck to you and your husband. Keep strong and keep the faith!
On a side note, for those who do not know, when actually attending the program, outside media is terminated. This means that while the offenders can write letters back and forth and such, they cannot receive books or magazine subscriptions. Save your money on subscriptions when it gets closer to the initial interview. I started my classes about 4 days after I arrived at the treatment unit, so my family paid overnight shipping to send me about a dozen books....then told me I better read them SLOWLY...lol. I also talked to some of those who were in the intensive 18 month program that depending on the dorm, even the TV channels were restricted.

deerwoman
10-24-2012, 08:50 AM
Good morning all,

My son was told he would take the 4 month program starting this month. He was transferred and almost immediately started so he has already completed 60 days. Their instructor told them that it would probably be middle of Dec. when they complete the program. After that he will be transferred to another unit for 2 weeks and back to the walls for release. He said he will have ankle monitor when released. Is that the norm and for how long?

mzjenn09
10-24-2012, 12:54 PM
so they wont let him know about which program he has to complete till he goes up for parole?, then once he completes that he'll be able to come home?

Tazgirl
10-24-2012, 03:24 PM
so they wont let him know about which program he has to complete till he goes up for parole?, then once he completes that he'll be able to come home?

He'll find out which program he takes once he is approved for parole. Then he has to complete the program before he will get a release date.

TxHawker
10-25-2012, 09:02 AM
That's great news! Congratulations! As for it being the norm- I'm not sure but I was told by the PB that once my brother completes the 4 month program it will be 30-45 days until he is released, so that sounds about right. I'm just glad to hear that the 4 month program is running on schedule and not a year-long waiting list!

Good morning all,

My son was told he would take the 4 month program starting this month. He was transferred and almost immediately started so he has already completed 60 days. Their instructor told them that it would probably be middle of Dec. when they complete the program. After that he will be transferred to another unit for 2 weeks and back to the walls for release. He said he will have ankle monitor when released. Is that the norm and for how long?

BamaInmateBro
10-25-2012, 11:14 AM
Good morning all,

My son was told he would take the 4 month program starting this month. He was transferred and almost immediately started so he has already completed 60 days. Their instructor told them that it would probably be middle of Dec. when they complete the program. After that he will be transferred to another unit for 2 weeks and back to the walls for release. He said he will have ankle monitor when released. Is that the norm and for how long?

I am not sure who or why someone gets opted in for the ankle monitor. As I don't know your son's situation I wouldn't care to take a guess. Selection of ankle monitor could be based on a number of factors. I am a bit confused by your post. You mentioned that he is to take the program starting this month, yet he has 60 days completed? That is a bit confusing. Perhaps you could clarify that. 60 days is half of the 4 month program, and if he does have 60 days done in the 4 month program, then he would be completing the program in December. If he starts the program this month, then he would be looking at February completing the program. That is why I am a bit confused.

Once he completes the program he has to get his DRA (Dynamic Risk Assessment) where his risk level will be decided. The DRA can be completed at the unit that he is taking the program, or he may get transferred to another unit. When I took the 4 month course I had my DRA done right there at Hightower Unit, but I had other classmates that ended up getting transferred to Goree Unit to get theirs done. I am guessing it has to do perhaps with their release and/or parole dates, but I am not sure. Once he gets his DRA completed, and his parole certificate printed, he will be ready for release. Assuming he gets released from Huntsville as you indicated, he will show up there within 24-48 hours of release. I arrived at Huntsville and was released the day after I arrived.

I hope this information helps.

BamaInmateBro
10-25-2012, 11:19 AM
By the way. I was just thinking this and thought it would be something important to mention.

Being given an FI-4R parole approval is an indicator the you have to complete the 4 month sex offender program. Make sure your loved ones don't mention that the get the FI-4R approval. Perhaps claiming that they are instead getting an FI-3. The reason behind this is that on the inside, everyone pretty much knows that an FI-4R is for sex offenders. This could put them at risk if someone finds out. Just be careful. I was dang near hospitalized when my cellie at my other unit found out I had an FI-4R. Inside they don't care what your LO did. They hear the word sex offender and automatically think "Child rapist" so just remind your LO to be careful when they get their answers.

TxHawker
10-25-2012, 12:37 PM
just wondering- what all units are doing SOTP at this point? I know Goree and Hightower- are there any more?

deerwoman
10-25-2012, 01:49 PM
Bama, sorry I didn't mean 60 days, I meant completed 30 days already. He started early (Sept) even though they told me Oct. His instructor did say they will complete the program in Dec. and will transfer to Goree for 2 weeks and back to "the Walls" for release sometime in Jan. He is taking SOEP. Are they all the same?

BamaInmateBro
10-26-2012, 12:42 PM
just wondering- what all units are doing SOTP at this point? I know Goree and Hightower- are there any more?

They offer the 3 different classes at Goree, Hightower, Huntsville (Walls), and Ellis. I do not know the detailed information. This information is from an earlier post by CenTexLyn. I am also not sure which unit offers which programs. I will see if I can find out, or perhaps CenTex can chime in. She tends to have a lot of information on the units and has corrected my mistakes before. she knows her stuff!

Bama, sorry I didn't mean 60 days, I meant completed 30 days already. He started early (Sept) even though they told me Oct. His instructor did say they will complete the program in Dec. and will transfer to Goree for 2 weeks and back to "the Walls" for release sometime in Jan. He is taking SOEP. Are they all the same?

There are currently 3 different programs offered. the 4 month SOEP, the 9 month program (Not sure the name) and the 18 month SOTP. Each program is different, and tailored to fit what they are trying to accomplish for each offender. The SOEP is the least invasive and is more like a Education and corrective learning program.

The SOTP program is quite invasive, and deals with the actual crime more directly in a closed-classroom environment. From what I learned when I was in, it involves about 8-12 offenders in a group with a counselor/therapist who helps each individual delve into their errors and what to do to correct them.

I have no inside knowledge on the 9 month program, as they were just setting it up when I was graduating from SOEP.



I just found this information from TDCJ Rehabilitation program on the SOEP/SOTP program descriptions. It includes mention of the 9 month program.


Sex Offender Education Program (SOEP) consists of a four-month curriculum to assist sex offenders determined to pose a lower re-offense risk or who may be releasing to a lengthy term of supervision. This curriculum is provided in a didactic format, providing information on a variety of topics (e.g., Healthy Sexuality, Anger and Stress Management, Interpersonal Relationships, Cognitive Restructuring).

Sex Offender Treatment Program (SOTP) consists of an eighteen-month intensive treatment program in a therapeutic community environment that allow offenders immediate feedback about their behavior and treatment progress (SOTP-18) and a nine-month moderate intensity program to assist sex offenders determined to pose a higher and more moderate re-offense risk respectively (SOTP-9).
The programs involve three treatment phases employing a cognitive-behavioral model. The primary goal of the programs is to reduce the rate of re-offense and move the participants toward a more pro-social lifestyle.

Tazgirl
10-26-2012, 07:44 PM
just wondering- what all units are doing SOTP at this point? I know Goree and Hightower- are there any more?

I just checked the tdcj unit directory. I'm not sure it's fully updated because all it shows is SOTP and SOEP at Goree and Hightower. No sex offender programs showing at Ellis or Huntsville. I know it's not the most helpful info but its what I could come up with. Hope it at least helps some. :-)