I DETOX BEGINNING SUN LATE EVE(TOMORROW).IM SCARED .I WROTE A FEEW THINGS YESTERDAY THAT THEY REMOVED COS THEY WERE NEGATIVE AND WAS SUGGESTED TO ME I START A FORUM OF MY OWN,WILL SOME ONE POLEEEEASE TELL ME HOW TO DO THIS?

um maybe you could start your own thread....like about what your going through. ive never been on heroin...so i dont know what thats like. but i know you will get alot of support here from clean & sober people

Veronica,

Congratulations on deciding to detox off Heroin. however, I have some concerns.

It's very, very hard to cold turkey off of Heroin, and my recommendations is for you to seek some help doing so.

Depending upon how long and how much you have used will factor in how the detox will be.

I suggest going to detox for the support ( emotionally ) and for medical attention if necessary...at detox someone who is qualified in these types of things. i am NOT trying to scare you, but I work in a resedential treatment facility and ive seen lots of things.

Good luck sweetie

[GOOD IDEA I WILL WHEN I RETURN WISH ME LUCK!







QUOTE]Originally posted by lovinbilly4ever
um maybe you could start your own thread....like about what your going through. ive never been on heroin...so i dont know what thats like. but i know you will get alot of support here from clean & sober people [/QUOTE]

[i]Originally posted by Sunnie
Veronica,

Congratulations on deciding to detox off Heroin. however, I have some concerns.

It's very, very hard to cold turkey off of Heroin, and my recommendations is for you to seek some help doing so.

Depending upon how long and how much you have used will factor in how the detox will be.

I suggest going to detox for the support ( emotionally ) and for medical attention if necessary...at detox someone who is qualified in these types of things. i am NOT trying to scare you, but I work in a resedential treatment facility and ive seen lots of things.

Good luck sweetie [/QUOTE]

I wish I would have seen this sooner, Are you back yet? I am a nurse and I work in a detox/substance abuse facility. I strongly suggest do not do the methadone program!!!!!! I will post more when I know you are back and ok!!!!!! I wish you the best--its gonna be the hardest thing you have ever done in your life---BUT I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT, YOU MUST DO IT---ITS BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH!!!!

Jeffs ex wife!!!!!

You can do it Veronica, and I'm so proud of you that you're going to do it! I know it's hard, but you only have to do it once if you stay off. Just remember while you're going through it that you never have to do it again if you stay clean. Find NA meetings and hang onto them for dear life once you're out.

Veronica by now i hope you are in a detox.. i have been off of heroin for over 10 years now.. it was one of the HARDEST things i ever had to do.. like toi amo said get tx, get physically off the sh@@ and then get your butt into meetings.. and therapy.. get HELP this is lIFE OR DEATH..

good luck and blessings..
Donna

Veronica,
I wish you all the best in your recovery.
It will be very hard at times, but more than worth it in the end.
I am going to go a little off-topic here, but was wondering why the methadone is not a good alternative?
My brother has been on it for two years now and i have seen good and bad come of it.
It enabled him to stop sticking needles of morphine into his arms , which is the good thing.
But last I heard, he was doing a bunch of cocaine now, because the methadone does not help with anything but suppression of the "high" from opiates.
Does it work or not?
Anyone who has more info on this, I would greatly appreciate it!!

Thanks

Shan.. where i come from we just say
"methadone is liquid handcuffs" as you can see from your own experience.. your friend went from shooting morph to using coke.. it is just a money making .. system.. for folks to be onit.. and my own personal experience.. is this i never got "clean " when i went on methadone.. and the detox from that S@@t was even more horrifying.. so w/o a starting a debate.. it really is a PERSONAL CHOICE. some do wonderful on it.. and live productive lives on the methadone.. while others just start "mixing " it up..

Good luck .. to your brother.. and thanks for sharing
Donna

Hey...I wuz wondering if anyone had heard from Veronica and if she did manage to kick!!! I am in "recovery" myself and have been clean for 15 months...it has been a very hard and daily struggle...my X is a heroin addict as well as my old room-mate and I have seen them both try to kick without help and just get really sick and then go right back to using!!! My room-mate tried the methadone program and it is just as addictive as the heroin itself...I am really wondering why??? they even still use this to "try" to help people cuz in my opinion and experience...IT DOES NOT DO ANY GOOD TO THE RECOVERING ADDICT!!!...Anywayz...I do wish you well...Veronica...if ya happen to read this and you can PM me anytime ya wanna talk!!!

YOU GO jo jo. good for you 15 months.. it is hard but so worthit!!!

Donna
blessings from the "witch" city salem massachusetts

I hope Veronica is ok. I have never used herion, but my boyfriend was an ex herion addict until he fell off the wagon. I watched him try to kick it cold turkey a few times, and stood by him through the horrifying withdrawels. He first tried the stuff at 15 he is 39 now. It's very addictive. Currently he's headed to a Substance Abuse Program that he was sentenced to for possession of herion. He wants nothing more then to kick this addiction. He tried the methodone to and he said the withdrawels from that are more severe then the herion. From his point of view I wouldn't suggest going from relying on one substance to another. Just kick all that junk out of your life. I hope you get better, Veronica. I dont know how it feels, but i have watched the struggle.

FLECKY....ONLY (STATISTICS 2 OUT OF 35 EVER STAY OFF HEROIN ODDS ARE BAD......TELLL HIM ONCE HE DETOXES SEEK PHYSICIANS NEW DRUG CALLED BUPRONEX....KILLS THE CRAVING AND IT KEEPPS HIM FROM GETTING HIGH OFFF OF IT HE COULD SHOOT 6 BAGS AND FEEL NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SARAH(VERONICA)I WISH U LUCK IVE NEVER BEEEN OFF IT MORE THAN 6 TO 8 MOS AT A TIME IN 10 YEARS AND I AM 31.

Veronica! We have been wondering how you are doing????
Oh, and my opinion on Methadone? Robert was on it to try and kick heroin. It didn't work. Not only did his PO force him off, he used heroin with it. NOW, I have heard success stories with it also.
Robert thinks that meth is just the state's legal form of smack. I know not all think this way, this is just one meth patients reflections.

particularly to jenni ........i go on bupronex cos meth never worked 4 me either....ill explain the drug if u r un familiar it is BETTER than meth,,,,,,,,,but im still on benzos n alcohol..benzoos cos of past cocaine seizures..alcohol cos im in a bad mood.....sorry but half my family shoots..i was born addicted to valium,demoral ,and placidils......in icu 2 wks/////i am not perfect but i go on bupronex 2 morrow(today) 5 pm...its BETTER than meth will xplain later if u remond me....what KILLS me is I call my bro jimmmy knowing i jusy detoxed wanting me to go to dc or baltimore n send them dope in the mail......lovin carin family.....right???thankyou 4 asking....very sweet n thoughtful of u....SARAH"VERONICA"

so your not using heroin...but your now drinking? sorry but, you are replacing 1 drug w/another. and just because your in a bad mood doesnt mean that you should be drinking. drugs run in my family...you have the ability to break the WHOLE cycle. but if your gonna run to a bottle or drugs everytime something goes wrong or you dont wanna feel anything, then your not breaking the cycle..its just getting worse. thats just my opinion. good luck

hey, Sara(Veronica), hang in there, you have started and that is awesome!!

i am worried, your last post seems like you are a bit loaded, i'm glad though that you havn't gone back to the needle or stuff.

both of which are so hard to kick.

i kicked slamming dope, and eating klonipins, plus anthing else there was around, pretty much...9 years ago, and then at the end of my ninth i had a relapse, but although it was bad, i didn't go back to needles and junk, i know all addiction is bad, but at least for me and some others, shooting heroin, and speed balls is so physically hard to kick, and the whole needle thing is another crazy nightmare to get off....that even though your goal is to stay clean and sober 100%...having a drink is better than slamming....just keep on trying...each day is a new day...and you know you can start your day over anytime you want..

sobriety is amazing, all you need is the want...just keep wanting it...and when you don't want it...just pray to want it...pray for the willingness...

another thought that has helped me, just because you dented the car doesn't mean you need to crash it....you know what i mean!?

keep strong, keep praying, go to meetings...
pm me if you want, anytime...
i wish you peace and recovery-
francis

Hi Sarah!

Just wanted to tell you this can be done! Today is one year since the last time I stuck a needle in my arm!!!! yay! I went thru the alcohol - pills - pot and then my hubby finally said the same thing so many others are saying "Don't replace the dope with other drugs........." and he and everyone else is right. It is my experience that if you start on one it always leads back ti that one of choice. Girl you are in my prayers. You can do this!! You are worth it. We love you and we are here for you!!!

Becki

Hey Becki!!!

woo, hoo, one year...a good start=}

you are absolutely right eventually those substitutes will lead us back to our drug of choice!!!and then who knows if we will get back to recovery...

i think the first year is the hardest...i think the more time= away the further from the habit, the ezr it gets...although by now 9 years later for me from the needle...i barely feel the sensations, or smells, or desire...for stuff....it took me a few years to be basically detached from the drug thing...you know what i mean?

jails, institutions, and death as they say couldn't be truer!!!
keep up the good work...
Sara(Veronica)...were here for you!!!
francis

Thanks for the advice on the Bupronex Veronica. I'll let Dave know about it. Will it help kill the craving of cocaine too? He also shot coke, or did speed balls. Although I have never injected drugs I did have a problem with cocaine for a while. I have been clean for about 2 years off of everything, and it does get easier everyday you resist the temptation. What has helped me is excersing, and not putting myself in a position to where I might use. Although I did live with a herion addict through my whole term of recovery we never did drugs together or drink together. Dave would always rent a motel room to get high when he would relapse. I have a question for those of you who have injected their drug of choice. Mentally at the time of shooting the drug what did you think of yourself, or what were your thoughts. Dave, told me he hated himself and he hated getting high. He said that once he got the thought in his head to get high nothing at all could stop him. Even after being clean off the stuff for 5 years. I just want to understand why if somebody hates shooting some much then why would you have no control over doing it again. i just want to understand.

congrats on 1 year becki ;)
thats really a very great accomplishment..and you should be VERY proud of yourself. keep on rockin'! :dance:
melissa

it wont,,,,,,I used to speed ball too.it only works w/ h but it DOES REDUCE alcohol n other things etc...but not completely...I met the doc yesterday.I go on it officially Mon at 6 am..I can tell u more about it in a week or so,,,,,,,

Sara(Veronica)
how are you doing today?

that is great you are starting on monday.

are you planning on going to NA and/or AA...support from people who are going through the same thing you are is remarkable, and helps bring about the miracles...of recovery..i know because of my own addiction, and subsequent recovery..

Flecky: i can share with you my experience, in regard to your question about shooting up after a period of time...and the power of addiction...

i am glad your guy respects your recovery, and does not bring it around you....but, i know it is hard as well, knowing what he is doing....

the deal with addiction is even when you don't want to, you have to--get loaded, and after sometime in recovery, and then to relapse can be very hard on one's self-esteem, as well as the insidious guilt. Because the seeds of recovery have been planted, and so it messes with your using. Some people at have tried to kill themselves, because they can't stay clean, yet they don't want to use...hoplessness prevails!

you know the lingo, but it is true...addiction is cunning, baffling and powerful.

if you rent bill w.'s story the film about how a.a. started, you might understand your guy better....it is a really profound movie in some ways...

i used needles, and did speedballs....again some of the cliches apply...for h, and speedballs are referred to as jesus juice...i forget a lot of the lingo, i have been clean from the stuff/needles for 9 years and 11 months...but, basically is the ultimate high, very euphoric, and as you know h is physically addicting as well, so there are a lot of variables to the deal.....

however, i also think using needles, sticking needles into your veins is in someways thought of by a lot of people as very low, very dirty, and then your arms get all messed up, you know tracks and what not...so going back to something that almost inherently is seedy, mixed with the knowledge of recovery, as well as the people one loves, and knowing how hard it is to kick...i mean really hard, and as you get older the kick gets worse..the self-hate is horrible...but, yet one is a slave to it's master=drugs...

i am going on a lot sorry, i just am remembering a lot of what goes on, i am so grateful i am not there anymore...i mean a person in the grips of his addiction is like a freight train that is not going to stop for anything...you know hope to die dope fiends...

but, there is hope and there are solutions...maybe a lockdown rehab, that is what i did...it sucks...but you stay clean, it is like boot camp....

anyway i hope some of this helps or makes sense...you can pm me or post to me anytime....if you have questions or whatnot..

i have been both the addict, and the person watching another person destroy themselves with drugs...
my prayers are with you..
francis

I CAN NOT TELL A LIE...I STILL DRINK 420,N BENZOOS..............U KNOW?

well, you can stop whenever you want to!!!
don't give up your life because of anyone or anything!

are you going to start treatment mon!?

there are a lot of people here that care!

let us know!
francis

yeah..........................thanx!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

First of all honey, God Bless You! Iam sure you are scared to death as I was. I kicked heroine cold turkey in jail useing at least a gram a day. If I had to do it ovar again I would recomend methadone under doctors care. I currently am on it, the court put me on it due to health problems and medications I was on kept causeing me to throw dirties when I was on probation, so they put me on methadone, that is a lot better than when I kicked on my own, I thought I was gonna die, and I felt like I wanted too, the girls took care of me in the jail, lots of juices and hard candy, you will be sick, but it can be done and your life will be so much better. I wish I could be there for you. Any way that is just my story. God Bless & Blessed Be.

hey Sara(Veronica)!

just thinking of you, and hope you are hanging in there. let us know how today went, with the start of treatment....

oh, and i want to add about the stigma of shooting dope (in an earlier post of mine on this thread)...it is not a dirty thing...however, because often society has such a low, and i might add it is based on ignorance and fear, of h, and slamming that often addicts internalize socities prejudices...

i remember when i was using still, and i got jumped by this lady...she wanted my money...for drugs, anyway, she's taring me up, and i was screaming for help, so the people who saw this happening called the police, then somehow they realized i was using as well, and they said, "oh, she's one of them..." and all walked away instead of helping me.

sometimes even in rehabs--the needle users are looked down upon, or they assume you have HIV...

but it is all the same, if you smoke it, snort it, swallow it, or slam it...people often need to feel better about themselves, so they look down on someone else...

oh, yeah, Tanya West, had a great suggestion, i forgot about all the sweets that help, for the shake, rattle and roll=} tea with honey, very soothing..

my prayers and thoughts are with you!!
francis

Well how are you doing? I see a lot of people are pulling for you and you are getting a lot of different suggestions. I can share my experience. I used heroine for 10 years, kicked in jail a few times but every time I got out I went right back to it, I have heard good and bad about the methadone but it has worked for me, I have been on it 12 months and have no other habits besides ciggarettes, I have no craveings but I also know you have to come off it very slowly, It just helped me not be sick kicking the heroine. I think it is different for everybody. But for now just know we are all here for you!
God Bless & Blessed be

Veronica, I just wanted to wish you the very best of luck. You can do this. My cousin has just gone through the same thing and it will be THE hardest thing you can do. But just know you CAN do it. You just have to have the strength and want to get past this. Good luck and god bless!
Sending lots of HUGS your way! :)

Veronica, I just wanted to wish you the very best of luck. You can do this. My cousin has just gone through the same thing and it will be THE hardest thing you can do. But just know you CAN do it. You just have to have the strength and want to get past this. Good luck and god bless!
Sending lots of HUGS your way! :)


I appreciate the words of encouragement.I have been through with it for about 3 months(almost) now but still sometimes wanna go there when things get bad or stressful.Still hangin in there though....thanks again!V

Sarah! How are you doing? You have been clean for almost 3 months?

Sarah! How are you doing? You have been clean for almost 3 months?

CWMRAM!lol,yes..Im doing ok and you?

AWWWW SARA great for you!!!!!!! i cant say it enough! that is so wonderful. you hang in there! that is great, absolutely wonderful! god bless!

Wow girl - PRAISE GOD!!! I am so proud of you! PM me if you wanna talk - or hit me on the IM's!!

Becki

Wow girl - PRAISE GOD!!! I am so proud of you! PM me if you wanna talk - or hit me on the IM's!!

Becki


I pm'd ya,and Ill tell ya more in Private,cool?

Veronica, how are you doing these days ?

Im fine and you?ok Ill take a look at that.S

well I was wondering how the treatment worked out for you, you were pretty excited about starting it when I last talked to you and I know they delayed it but you did eventually do it right ? I'm really wondering if you feel it helped you at all and I guess Im mostly wondering how you are doing now.

Veronica,
I'm happy to hear that you're in recovery... long haul... It's so worth it :-)...

My brother had to detox cold turkey for the umpteenth time on a little re-visit to prison, he suffered 5 heart attacks while in there and the doctor said it should have killed him... Now a huge abcess on his neck from shooting there... It breaks my heart... If he continues... well...

But hearing that one more person is in recovery gives me hope... I'll pray for you from my whole heart that you make it...

And anyone using methadone should also be taking mega ammounts of calcium because it totally deteriates the bones including the teeth... I don't know why the doctors don't mention that when issueing it...

well I was wondering how the treatment worked out for you, you were pretty excited about starting it when I last talked to you and I know they delayed it but you did eventually do it right ? I'm really wondering if you feel it helped you at all and I guess Im mostly wondering how you are doing now.


Im fine.have my bad days like everybody,but yeah I did it Im still doing all right too.Thanks for asking me....how have you been anyway?

yeah,I know all about that...it gets bad the longer ya do it but noone can really save you from yourself..ya know?One of my girlfriends died in the holding cell in jail,she too had suffered a stroke (withdrawl) and ofcourse those D**n guards IGNORED her pleas...was hooked up to a machine,no hope..died back in 97.And yeah calcium is a MUST I always took it though.




Veronica,
I'm happy to hear that you're in recovery... long haul... It's so worth it :-)...

My brother had to detox cold turkey for the umpteenth time on a little re-visit to prison, he suffered 5 heart attacks while in there and the doctor said it should have killed him... Now a huge abcess on his neck from shooting there... It breaks my heart... If he continues... well...

But hearing that one more person is in recovery gives me hope... I'll pray for you from my whole heart that you make it...

And anyone using methadone should also be taking mega ammounts of calcium because it totally deteriates the bones including the teeth... I don't know why the doctors don't mention that when issueing it...

Hey girl! Just wondering how you were doing? Hang in there, I know you can stick to it. My father is a recovering Heroin addict. He is now 51 and Kicked the habit when he was 17. He is getting hooked on this site and likes to help out. So if you need anything or have any questions let me know. :) Hang in there, you are in my prayers.

Hey girl! Just wondering how you were doing? Hang in there, I know you can stick to it. My father is a recovering Heroin addict. He is now 51 and Kicked the habit when he was 17. He is getting hooked on this site and likes to help out. So if you need anything or have any questions let me know. :) Hang in there, you are in my prayers.


Thankyou...I am doing just that.Wow,your dad was 17 is 51 now??Long time I KNOW HE had a HARD time!!!!!Good for him...I hope hes well now!How long has he been off the that "boy"?yeah..let me ask this...I am on suboxone-bupronoriphine(is a meth sub.,w/o well it blocks you from getting a tolerance its a partial agonist,so it puts the opiate in the brain w/ no high)because some of us arent able to STAY OFF them due to the endomorphines in the brain that are low and destroyed by heavy long using...its a tricky thing...but I STILL have delayed withdrawl symtoms STILL like try this morning all of the sudden got hot clamy cold chills vomiting and back aching...of course NOTHIN like it used to feel when I got up every morning or "kicked" the second day..NOTHING IS WORSE than the second day...but wanna know am I the ONLY one that does that?Its been 3 or 4 mos roughly more like 3 in a half?

Hey girlie girl. My father is doing very good now :) it was a long hard struggle, but he has been clean for many years now. The only thing that really helped him was a lot of theraputic help. He was away for 14 months one time.(he was in daytop) They made him realize and taught him how to deal with everyday life, without being on any drugs. And how to readjust himself and face the real world, being clean. The reason why you are still having delayed withdrawls, is because of what they have you on now. It won't go away, until you are off of that also. or until your body is immune to that. but then when they take you off, your body will go through like withdrawls also. Technically, if you really think about it, they have you substituting one drug for another, even though it is being prescribed to you. Are you going to any counseling or anything now? Hang in there girlie. God Bless! pm me if you ever want to talk or have any more ?'s.

Hey girlie girl. My father is doing very good now :) it was a long hard struggle, but he has been clean for many years now. The only thing that really helped him was a lot of theraputic help. He was away for 14 months one time.(he was in daytop) They made him realize and taught him how to deal with everyday life, without being on any drugs. And how to readjust himself and face the real world, being clean. The reason why you are still having delayed withdrawls, is because of what they have you on now. It won't go away, until you are off of that also. or until your body is immune to that. but then when they take you off, your body will go through like withdrawls also. Technically, if you really think about it, they have you substituting one drug for another, even though it is being prescribed to you. Are you going to any counseling or anything now? Hang in there girlie. God Bless! pm me if you ever want to talk or have any more ?'s.



normally I would agree with you,but suboxone is long acting and a partial agonist...I dont feel a thing means in no way do I get high,period.Being that it is long acting,that would also imply that occasional light delayed w/drawl symptoms should not occur,so beats me Ive no clue where it comes from.As far as using a drug for another..hell yeah I am,Im not scared at all to admit that.I AM scared as hell what would happen to me if I continued using the other and in all my past experiences without anything (opiod in my brain) I drink to oblivion,get sick of THAT and usually wind up on dope in less than a month.There are some people who actually dont function without an opiate in the brain...I feel unbalanced..bad,and its due to the irreversable damage in my brain that heroin has done.Ive simply used too much of it..I went thru 2 to 2 1/2 sometimes even 3 bundles in a day...that is ALOT of money there...and a lot of dope..you cant use like that and expect not to have a little brain damage.Not no opiate anyway.My tolerance is extreemly high for them and thats a BAD thing...so if it comes down to this...me having to take this stuff or methadone...as opposed to runnin around all day for a sh of dope,and all kinds of other problems then Ill stay w/ it a minute or as long as it takes,some people need it a life time...others dont...only I can make that call,ya know?In a perfect world,Im with you...Id rather not need ANYTHING and hopefully that will be possible one day....but for now...Im not sure...

Sarah,

I am so happy to hear that you are still staying clean and off the dope. I can relate to the "brain damage" thing. My hubby is going through the same thing trying to find something that will allow his brain to function because of the damage caused by the dope. He can not maintain ceratonin in his brain, so he suffers severe seizures. They have had him on high nightime doses of depecote, but it doesn't replace the ceratonin, so they are trying him on a combination of geodon and pamelor, hopefully with minimum side-effects. It is depressing him to face up to the fact that to save his life he may have to have a prescribed "substitute" in place of the "street form". I am always trying to encourage him in the fact like you said, "you do so much dope, there is going to be brain damage". I am proud of you girl!! Keep up the good work. PM me if you wanna. You are always in my prayers!

Much Love

Becki

Veronica,
You just hang in there and do whatever it takes, whether it's replacement therapy or whatever... You couldn't have done too much brain damage, because you're extremely intelligent and seem to stay up on all of the available treatments... (Praise God for that!) I believe that you'll make it because you have a commitment and strong desire... Hang in there hon...

Veronica,
I have to tell you that I notice a change in you. You are clearer, cleaner, you sound like you are so together compared to a few months ago and obviously totally well armed with knowledge. You keep on going, you are doing great, you should feel really proud of how far you have come in a short time.
Prayers are with you.

Veronica,
I have to tell you that I notice a change in you. You are clearer, cleaner, you sound like you are so together compared to a few months ago and obviously totally well armed with knowledge. You keep on going, you are doing great, you should feel really proud of how far you have come in a short time.
Prayers are with you.


well thankyou,am glad a difference is seen....thats for sure!LOL

((((((((((((((Sarah)))))))))))))))))
I am so proud of you, I knew you could do it. :)

Hey Sarah,
I just met a guy who had a 32 year habit and he now has 3 1/2 years clean time... So it can be done... When I found out how many years this guy had used, and the ammount of sobriety that he has now, I got all teary eyed... That gives me hope for my brother who has so many years out there...

If he can do it, YOU CAN TOO.... KEEP HANGIN IN THERE!

Still praying for you ...

I agree Veronica. You sound so much better and that is wonderful. Keep up all of your hard work. You are an inspiration to others!

Sarah you sound great!! Your a strong brave lady and we knew you could do it.

((((((((((((((Sarah)))))))))))))))))
I am so proud of you, I knew you could do it. :)


well thank ya,lady...long time no hear how are ya?

well,wanna thank all yall for being so kind and concerned,to tell ya the truth when I started this thing,I didn't really even know what the hell I was doing!hahaha...was just one of "them thangs",ya know,I hardly even remembered putting it up there and to be perfectly honest here...wouldn't have had I known that it could be read by anyone n everyone!LOL!"Yeyes,why Im just a poor simple lil ole Ga. gal don't know a thang 'bout them there computers and all the magic they do",but now I see and I'm actually GLAD I DIDN'T know it or I probably wouldn't have done it which means Id never have had any one to relate my fears to about it all...etc etc etc,bottom line is that Im glad I did it....chow,Sarah

Veronica I'm a recovering Heroin addict and the best way to detox off of it, is to either go to a detox program or rehab. They'll get you through the dt's. Good luck girl, you can do it :thumbsup: j-rays girl