Hi everyone. I was wondering what the difference between "administrative segregation" and "disciplinary segregation" is? I'm a bit confused here.:confused: And also, I was wondering if it is true that inmates at Holman who are in ad/seg or the "hole" are not allowed to have books?

It seems that the Warden is VERY strict, and has NO compassion whatsoever for the men under his care.:( His focus seems to be entirely punitive, and there seems to be little emphasis on rehabilitation. My sweetie is at Holman, and is DESPERATELY trying to get transfered to ANOTHER facility. He is treated as though he is less than human, and that is VERY difficult for me to deal with. It is hard to see someone you love suffering, and be powerless to do anything about it. Despite his tough exterior and all of the bravado, he really does have a good heart.

Anyway, if any of you could answer my questions, I would appreciate it. He got transfered out of the "hole" back in November I believe, but ad/seg doesn't seem to be much better, in terms of the "priviledges" the inmate is afforded. He is in ad/seg for an indefinite period of time. Thanks so much.

Lisa

hi bookworm. i am sorry to hear about your loved one. i really dont know the difference either. but im sure someone will be along shortly that can help you. but in the mean time if you just need to talk i am here for you. just let me know. take care!!!

if im not mistaken ad/seg is when the inmate has caught a charge or got involved in a fight or something and it is still under investigation. disciplinary/ seg is when they have actually been found quilty from the investigation. As far as the treatment it seems like its the same to me.

Hey Lisa... Girl you sound like us... Don't know one like being at Holman...My loved one has came up for review after review to try and get a transfer out of that place, get closer to home... finaly..... he's up for one.. but when that will happen.. it's still up to chance.. when ever they get ready to.. and they sure don't care to get in no kinda hurry.
He is also in seg... and no, they are not allowed any books(eyeroll) not like reading would hurt anyone... be alot more constructive then pacen the floor gettin madder and madder and then can't take no more so ya act out... anyhow.. no they can't receive any books.. any art supplies.. nothing.. but it is better than being in the "hole" atleast in seg you can have your radio.. have 4 mags, and can order a newspaper,and your property.. pictures.. stuff like that.. in the hole.. you have paper and pen. the difference in ad seg and disciplinary seg....not sure if there really is a difference.. all but "why" your there...
they can keep them in seg for what seems like forever. then not work with them.. sure doesn't help anyone then... a whole lot more people don't care, than do.. we just gotta care more to make up for difference.
has he tried to talk to Patterson.. maybe he can work with him toward something?!?! it's worth a shot.
Hang in there.. and don't give up... if ya need anything.. I'll be glad to help, just holler my way.
Michele ~in Bama~
Hope some good luck comes yalls way.. everyone needs it!

Hi Michelle! Thanks so much! You answered my question!:) I guess in a sense then, administrative segregation IS a TAD better! At least they are allowed SOMETHING to keep them occupied. My boyfriend was VERY happy to get his radio back, when he was returned to ad/seg from the "hole". He was all bummed out because he was missing football season. My poor baby:( . I often wish that I could do more to make his life better. To be quite frank, it seems almost unbearable to me sometimes! I honestly don't know HOW he does it, and I admire his strength and determination. I will ALWAYS be there for him, and will continue to do whatever I can to bring as much happiness as possible into his life.

It's hard, because he is serving a lengthy sentence. He has been down ten years, and he won't even be ELIGIBLE for parole until 20016.:eek: That seems so far off! But I TRY to stay strong for him. I love him so much, and would give ANYTHING to have him here with me. I HATE thinking of him all alone in that hell hole!

And that Warden Culiver. Boy oh boy, I'd like to give him a piece of my mind!:angry: But of course, I CAN'T. He is a cruel, heartless man, but the fact is that he has the power to make my man's life(and in the process, MINE) miserable. So despite our intense dislike for him, we both know that we have to hold our tonge. Although there have been times when he and my man have had it out! Of course in the end, it is HIM that ends up suffering. Which is why I tell him to keep his mouth shut! But I am in FULL agreement with his assesment of the man's "character". He seems to take PLEASURE in having the power to make these men's lives even more miserable and dismal than they ALREADY are! I never understood people like that. I guess I'm just a "bleeding heart"! There are people that critisize me for that, but I'm damn proud of it!:thumbsup:

I think it is SO wrong that they are not allowed access to books! Reading should be ENCOURAGED, NOT DISCOURAGED for goodness sakes! It just seems counterproductive to me! How are the inmates supossed to change for the better, if there are NO opportunities whatsoever for personal growth? It's as though the system is intentionally designed to set these men up for failure.

My thoughts are with you and your loved one Michelle. I think wanting to be closer to your family/loved ones is a VERY valid reason to request a transfer. Shouldn't they be ENCOURAGING these men to maintain strong bonds with their families? After all, having a strong social support network in place is vital! Not only for their success after they are released back into the community, but also for their mental health and wellbeing. I'd imagine that knowing that there are those that love and care about them, would IMPROVE their outlook on life, and in turn improve their behavior! Best of luck to both of you. I am of the opinion that NO human being deserves to be in a place like Holman! It isn't fit for wild animals!

It sucks big time that I am unable to send him anything. He saved up, and bought me a BEAUTIFUL gift for Christmas(will cherish it FOREVER) and yet I was unable to reciprocate. All I was able to send was two books of stamps! Useful I know, but not very romantic:( . I got him a magazine subscription for his birthday, but was not allowed to do it this time around, because he had reached the maximum amount of subscriptions he is allowed to have in a year(another assanine rule, if you ask me!). It was especially hard during the holidays, thinking of him spending Christmas in that hell hole. I'm sure you can all relate.

I am new to this forum, and am finding it to be a great form of support! I can't thank you all enough. It's hard being involved with an inmate. Most people disapprove, and do not understand. So, it is wonderful to have a place where we can go, and feel a sense of community! All the best to all of you, and your loved ones too!

Lisa