Inmate Kills Pedophile Priest in Prison


BOSTON (Reuters) - Defrocked priest John Geoghan, a central figure in the Catholic Church's sex abuse scandal, was killed on Saturday by a fellow inmate in the prison where he was serving a sentence for child rape, officials said.

Geoghan was apparently strangled, Worcester County District Attorney John Conte said on Saturday.

Geoghan, who had been accused of molesting more than 130 people while serving as a priest in various Boston area parishes, was brought to Leominster Hospital where he died shortly before 2 p.m., said Kelly Nantel, a spokeswoman for the Massachusetts Department of Corrections.

Conte's office said Joseph Druce, currently serving a life sentence, will face murder charges in Geoghan's death. An autopsy on Geoghan is planned for Monday.

Geoghan, 68, was sent to the Souza-Baranowski Correction Center in Shirley, Massachusetts, last year after being found guilty of groping a young boy while they were swimming. Nantel said he was held in protective custody to shield him from most other inmates, but he still had contact with some.

Geoghan was defrocked in 1998 and his prosecution helped uncover a string of pedophile cases that shook the Catholic Church around the world and forced Cardinal Bernard Law to resign as Boston's archbishop late last year.

The Archdiocese of Boston is now offering to pay $65 million to settle hundreds of sexual abuse charges filed by young men and women against the church. Massachusetts Attorney General Tom Riley called the scandal "the greatest tragedy to befall children, ever" in the state.

The archdiocese described Geoghan's death as "tragic."

LONG HISTORY OF ABUSE

"The Archdiocese of Boston offers its prayers for the repose of John's soul and extends its prayers and consolation to his beloved sister at this time of personal loss," said Christopher Coyne, a spokesman for the Archdiocese.

Attorney Mitchell Garabedian, who represents many young men who say they were molested by Geoghan, said he was shocked to hear of Geoghan's death. He said Patrick McSorley, one of Geoghan's best known victims, broke into tears at the news.

"My clients would rather have seen John Geoghan be punished in a way seen fit by society," he said. "They would have rather seen him endure the rigors of two more trials and endure the pain of more prison sentences."

Internal Church documents obtained by the media showed that Geoghan's sex abuse history was well known to church officials but that they continued to let him work with children.

The Boston Globe reported last year that Geoghan was removed from four straight parishes between 1974 and 1989 for molesting children.

Last year Geoghan received the maximum sentence of nine to 10 years in prison but was expected to serve only six as the balance of the term was suspended.

Nearly one year ago the Boston Archdiocese settled the cases of 86 of Geoghan's victims for $10 million. Garabedian said he could not comment on whether Geoghan's death might affect the negotiations to settle outstanding sex abuse cases.


What do you think should have happen to this man? If he had molested your child, would you have wanted him dead, killed in prison or what? Just wondering, 38 Special.

I am a Catholic and may God have mercy on me, but I think he got what he deserved.

If it were my child, I would have wanted him dead, or at the very least convicted for life and his peter, and fingers, CUT OFF!

This may not sound very christian like, I know, but in this country you can get more prison time for abusing animals than for molesting, raping, abusing children. Now tell me, just how screwed up is that?????

Children are the future, we should protect them at all costs and ensure anyone who harms one has to face harsh consequences.

i'm glad that priest is dead too.
i'm not christian but all child rapists need to face their karma.
how many kids that this jerk raped committed suicide or OD'd on drugs?

but check out mr. druce...

what a hottie! oooh, baby!!
the prison groupies are gonna go wild over this guy.
must be creamin' in their murderer-loving jeans!!
he may be even more popular that richard ramirez and scott peterson.

mr. druce will probably get the death penalty now considering it's his 2nd murder.
ah, poooor baby.
this guy is a skinhead KKK nazi, hates jews, gays, blacks, everyone...

how many women will be in love with him now and defend his innocence?

here's his picture.
too bad he's so damn handsome and so psychopathic!


http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/08/25/national1502EDT0588.DTL

He is kinda cute, kinda young, but the girls are going to flip over him.

Thank goodnes for good ole Druce. He did what needed to be done, despite the fact that it may get him the death penalty. But hey, they can only kill him once and he's got two on him.

At least we know the guy has his own (if not screwy) moral code, AND he lives by it!

Just my opinion, but this is some really sad commentary.

Yes Freya, you are right.

It's sad that we have this topic to comment on.

Well, I am a Christian. I believe God has the say so about taking a life. He has the say so about giving life. I am not Catholic. This is sad commentary. The whole world is in a bad way.

I believe that the changes we are needing and wanting so badly with in our prisons will come about in the least way we suspect them to happen.

I did hear on the news that a Catholic organization or someone Catholic referred to the "Vigilante Justice" within the prison system. This was an eye opener for the person. It can be an eye opener for many. Most people felt that the priest deserved to be in prison. I do not feel most people thought he should be murdered there.

HONEY

Jeffrey Dahmer was also murdered in prison after raping and canabalizing
men.

Everyone's right, it's a very sad commentary....very sad indeed.

To me, it's most disgusting that Druce will have thousands of females
to write and visit.

We women are sick, sick, sick when we choose killers as our friends, our loves, our soul mates, our husbands.

When there are a million decent guys on the outs who never hurt anyone,
women fall head-over-heels-in-love with killers who can write sweet or sexy letters.

How terribly lonely, deluded and pathetic we are.

This is my biggest concern.

We women are sick, sick, sick when we choose killers as our friends, our loves, our soul mates, our husbands.

How terribly lonely, deluded and pathetic we are.

sfveggie, I'm going to take the opportunity here to tell you that I am TOTALLY offended by your comments and generalizing the women and families on PTO 'as sick, sick, sick' and ' lonely, deluded and pathetic' who have a loved one who has committed a murder. I am not sick, deluded or pathetic, nor uneducated or lonely. I have a friend, who I am PROUD to call a friend, that is incarcerated for 2nd degree murder. I know several of the members loved ones here, who are also incarcerated for murder.

You may have your own issues and declare yourself 'Sick', but DO NOT include me or any other members in your tirades. You have been on PTO long enough to understand what PTO is about and I believe you have been referred to read the policies on PTO. I will ask you for the last time to review these policies, because any further negative 'labels' you decide to attach to PTO members will not be tolerated. Perhaps if you can not offer support or ignore issues that bother you, perhaps this is not the community for you??!!

Thank You

Pam, PTO Administrator

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ok, so there is compassion but what about all those boys who NEVER got a voice? one statement from one survivor doesn't cut it for me. child molesting has a ripple affect that goes on for generations. and by your priest? YOUR PRIEST? for some reason my beliefs lie along the line that this whole scene was written out for us before we got here. we only have to hold our hand out and dance with that Great Spirit. if this is what spirit had in mind for this this priest then by golly i'm gonna go along with it. i do feel that stealing is a LOT different than molesting a reported 131 (how many not?) kids whose parents trusted this jerk. they actually took their kids to get f****ed by this guy. can you sit there and tell me that guy didn't get his in the end? i'm sure a lot of people will think i am way out of line and that's their right as a human on a web site with thousands of ideas and people. this is just ONE of those ideas. i have seen the harm these men cause, the boyfriend (shrink) works at Atascadero State Hospital/Prison. i wonder if the average Jane/John knows the harm these guys cause? and, EXACTLY what they do to our little guys and gals. in my short life time i have "saved" two kids by catching two men , on two different occasions, in the act at our local park, which is accross the street. both were convicted and registered child molesters. nope, i'm NOT on the look out for this sort of behavior, just happened to walk in at the wrong time. at least for the adult, it was the right time for the kid! little did i know that my path was being laid for me. i have become an advocate for kids and while that does not include killing child molesters i have no feelings for them, what so ever, after having worked with these special young people. my heart goes out to the kids...............i will spend the rest of my life giving them a voice. sometimes it takes years for these childern to get a voice.


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sorry to offend you, pam.
not my intent.
i did not even mean the women on PTO specifically, but the UNIVERSAL "we."
the universal "we-women" who are care takers and unconditionally loving and forgiving and want to heal men.

but seriously, you think it's just mentally or emotionally normal that there
are female groupies out there that fall madly in love with serial killers or high profile 1st degree pre meditated murderers???

take ted bundy, richard ramirez, charlie manson, etc...for example.

if your daughter or granddaughter (assuming you have one) said she was going to marry joseph druce or scott peterson or any other 1st degree premeditated murderer because he was her "soul mate" you wouldn't be a bit concerned?? especially when she could just as easily marry some upstanding citizen on the outside?

let's see.... intentional murderer or local electrician ???
hmmmm...

which choice would you prefer your kid took?

feel free to delete this and all of my messages on this thread if you like.

like i said, i don't mean to offend you...

if you really believe that it's 100% emotinally and mentally healthy for women to choose killers as husbands, i support you.


as for my other posts you've taken offense to, i can't tell you how many women have PM'd me and said they admire and appreciate my courage to reality check or tough love ...

the goal of loving women's community is to support women in ALL their choices, and that includes that choice to give up and leave when they realize the guy is being a bum. (not infrequent posts of this nature lately-women fed up or giving up on their man) .

sometimes the women are NUTS for staying. sometimes the guy IS an abusive jerk.


sometimes we all gotta throw away our rose colored glasses.

I am not going to get real long winded here I hope. But Ok, I value what you are saying Alice. These children need a voice and this horrible behavior takes these kids lives forever. But wait, do you think that maybe just maybe this act happened to the priest as a kid. I think so. And even if it didn't. I worked in a long term childcare facility (wards of the state) for 12 years. I know about abused and neglected kids. I also knew abusers. Several are in prison as I write. Yes I believe God knows what is up. He isn't directing wierdos to hurt. He is waiting for them to come to Him. Now the Priest can't cuz someone said, I decide on your life. And now this killer of the priest feels justified, maybe, in what he did. Is he on his way to God? Or on his way for recognition for the great thing he did. It's Ok he is only a child molester. He has no value. All life has value in God's eyes.
----------Alice, I love Ghandi. I must be the change. But I cannot do it alone. It is God Calling. It is His call.

Sf--I have a lot of unhealthy behavior, a lot of pathetic impulses at times and I have a really high tolerance for pain. I am getting better. I wear my rose colored glasses when the B-llsh-t blinds me. I wear them less and less every day. But do I have to throw them away? I mean my man has some behavior that I do not like. But He is a whole package that is fitting till it doesn't or until it fits perfectly. It has been a process for me.

HONEY

We women are sick, sick, sick when we choose killers as our friends, our loves, our soul mates, our husbands.



I agree with this statement as it applies to "we" women as a whole, with the key word in the quote being "choose". It's different if a loved one does something and you continue to love them as opposed to "falling" for a Charlie Manson, Ted Bundy, or the Menendez brothers. (did I spell their name right?)

I will have to stand in front of my God on judgement day, and he KNOWS what I think and feel in my heart, so knowing that, I am not too concerned with how the rest of society judges me on my thoughts.

I bet the priest was abused a child. Child molesters tend to grow up to be child molesters. It's a circle, round & round we go. But maybe if the life of a child was valued more, than some of this abuse would never happen and then maybe the circle could be broken.

I got moderated in one of my earlier posts on my thoughts about abuse of prisoners by other prisoners, but you know what?, maybe if the "good ole days" of when the convicts took care of things like this were still here, then some of the abuse would not happen. But, if it does happen, let them at least know the welcome wagon is waiting for them.

Seriously, is this no different than women like Susan Smith? Years ago the other women in prison would have taken care of her, after all, she COULD have just gave them to her husband and gone off with her boyfriend, she COULD have done that, but she chose not to.

I really did expect her to be killed by now, but I guess the female prison population has become just a bunch of inmates too. Today she has ads on the internet looking for companionship, but her children will never grow up and have companionship of their own. Is that fair? She will answer to her maker when her time comes, but maybe if there were still some example made out of persons convicted of certain crimes, then maybe those examples would deter a few of them. Or even one.

I cannot say it often enough, children are the most precious commodity on earth. Not coal, not oil, not money. The children are our future. Protect them not, coddle their abusers, and what kind of a future do you think it is going to be?

I bet it's going to be one that I won't be sorry to miss.

honey...
oh yeh, i know unhealthy behavior...
i was the queen of unhealthy behavior.
but not anymore!
in my love addiction, in my sick sad relationship w/a death row inmate, in trying to love, love, love this brilliant writer prisoner who murdered his father and step mother in cold 1st degree premeditated blood, in giving him my time, my heart, my money, my constant companionship, i actually believed that he would never lie to me or betray me. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...i'm laughing so hard, i'm crying....i was outta my mind to think he was "all there" and "all good." his love letters were so sincere, but the man is a murderer.
and i went there with him. 1000000%. i was head-over-heels-in-love.
for what??? attention? admiration? "devotion?" lust? fantasies of someday my prince will come?
at the core, GOOD MEN DO NOT KILL intentionally.
(except in war time and that's even questionable, i guess...)
and when i woke up from my denial, i could only blame me for CHOOSING him.
i actually know a woman who chose to marry a guy who chopped off his former wife's head.
now, that doesn't seem so healthy to me.
i think she's in a wee bit of denial and i can only thank god he's never gettin out !!
she thinks it's all sane and fine...always defending the character of her soul mate lover man husband who beheaded his first bride...uh????
ever heard the expression "thou doth protest too much?"
i wouldn't want this guy sleeping in my bed.
well, back to my ORIGINAL point...
women are gonna flock to druce like flies on shit...
like they did with Eric Robert Rudolph.
he is young and gorgeous too.
and a FULL BLOWN PSYCHO !
so, why is it that we women love, defend and want to marry these guys !?!?!?!?!
why do we so staunchly have faith that they are worthy of the rest of our lives?
and here we are loving them unconditionally and dyin' inside when they let us down.

NO LITTLE GIRL EVER SAID "WHEN I GROW UP, I WANT TO MARRY A MURDERER."

sfveggie,

I can't answer that question except that they are MEN and that's the problem.

I have read some studies that talk about women wanting "bad boys" and the ones in prison are bad.

Have you ever noticed how so many men on the outside are not the ones who wear the pants in the family? Wimps. And just how many women really want a wimp?

And while a bad boy may seem like something they want, you have to wonder about them sometimes when they do choose the one(s) like the woman whose husband cut off his first wife's head??

Maybe she can afford to be in denial because he's never coming home?

right, he's never coming home, so she can live in her dream world.
i bet if he was coming home, she'd be terrified and wonder how to get away fast!
there are women on these boards that think that murderers are nice guys at the core. they just made a mistake in judgement.
i believed my killer-lover-ex fiancee was an angel....
the problem is with the women who enable these guys to have sweet loves lives in prison after they destroy the lives of others. uh, these jerks don't deserve us.
it's one thing to have a husband in prison for drunk driving or attempted robbery even (okay, it's a stretch)...but to SEEK OUT and PURSUE
relationships with guys like Joseph Druce...
the media is also culpable for publishing photos these handsome killers.
the media brings them throngs of adoring women.
i imagine the piles of love letters are already streamin' in.
but why we choose them...that is the question.

sfveggie- it seems that in your own PERSONAL experience with an incarcerated person you have decided the fate of EVERYONE'S experiences. Just because someone who was in for a serious crime, hurt you, does not mean that everyone else in your position is going to be hurt.
Everyone on this board, and every woman who is involved with somebody who is incarcerated because of a violent offense, has their own story. They have their own feelings, and their own reasons for doing what they do.
Who are you to rip apart these women?
Would I seek out Charles Manson? Probably not.
But your constant bashing here is making me feel uncomfortable. NO I don't think women should be taken advantage of. NO I don't think women should be in abusive relationships. But I DO believe that every human deserves to have that "one" person who has chosen to stand by their side.
"the goal of loving women's community is to support women in ALL their choices" remember that?
This is a SUPPORT community. This is a PRISON community, where many members have loved ones in for murder, armed robbery, and csc offenses.
Please keep that in mind.

charlie manson. "probably" not? probably?

btw, moderators....

i get PM's all the time from folks saying i'm honest and straight up and they appreciate all my tough love posts...that it helps keep them honest with themselves.
the majority of PM's i've received are 100% positive and many people express they look forward to reading my ideas because there is truth in them. and even if that truth conflicts with their emotions and their dreams, they still appreciate a spirit of keeping it real even if it's painful.

we all need to step back and laugh at ourselves more. like see ourselves as actors, as cartoons , and not take it so damn seriously. if we could be more objective and playful with ourselves, we wouldn't be so offended by ideas that so drastically shake us up.

Originally posted by sfveggie
i'm glad that priest is dead too.
i'm not christian but all child rapists need to face their karma.
how many kids that this jerk raped committed suicide or OD'd on drugs?

but check out mr. druce...

what a hottie! oooh, baby!!
the prison groupies are gonna go wild over this guy.
must be creamin' in their murderer-loving jeans!!
he may be even more popular that richard ramirez and scott peterson.

mr. druce will probably get the death penalty now considering it's his 2nd murder.
ah, poooor baby.
this guy is a skinhead KKK nazi, hates jews, gays, blacks, everyone...

how many women will be in love with him now and defend his innocence?

here's his picture.
too bad he's so damn handsome and so psychopathic!


http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/08/25/national1502EDT0588.DTL

Mr. Druce may have a mother that needs support! I hope she doesn't come to PTO to get it.

If Druce's mother personally came to me for support on her son's plight, I could give her that, because she is his mother and not someone who "found" him after his crime.

I could even give support to a girlfriend, BUT, as with anyone I would be honest in my opinons and with my support.

Heck, my husband is NO angel. Had I not known him before he went to prison, I would not be with him today. Does my family think I'm a little off to be waiting for him, yeah, but so what? These are the same people who cheat on their spouses, so like, theyr'e happy?? Not.

I know what kind of man my husband is, but I also know the sweet talking, b/s'ing, guys who are out only to play game, both inside and out of prsion. I've seen women played by these guys. Sometimes they wanted to hear the truth, even if they didn't listen, and sometimes they buried their head in the sand.

I would not have a problem giving support to ANYONE, because I do always remember, there but for the grace of God go I, or my loved one.

btw, moderators.... i get PM's all the time from folks saying i'm honest and straight up and they appreciate all my tough love posts...that it helps keep them honest with themselves.
the majority of PM's i've received are 100% positive and many people express they look forward to reading my ideas because there is truth in them. and even if that truth conflicts with their emotions and their dreams, they still appreciate a spirit of keeping it real even if it's painful.

Glad to know that you are getting pm's in private from members in your support. But bottom line, on the boards and in public, the negative connotations and labels that you are posting regarding our members and their relationships will not be tolerated further. Thank you ahead of time for re-reading the policies and adhering to what PTO is all about.

sorry to offend you, pam. not my intent.
i did not even mean the women on PTO specifically, but the UNIVERSAL "we."
the universal "we-women" who are care takers and unconditionally loving and forgiving and want to heal men.

Ummmmm...not your intent? ....not referring to the women on PTO specifically?......

there are women on these boards that think that murderers are nice guys at the core. they just made a mistake in judgement.


the problem is with the women who enable these guys to have sweet loves lives in prison after they destroy the lives of others. uh, these jerks don't deserve us.


Your intent and crusade is being made very clear. Your specific reference to the women on these boards, covers a lot of our members who have a loving relationship with a man who has been convicted of murder. I don't care if they met them before or after, you have no right to place a blanket judgement on myself or anyone else. If someone asks for advice and you choose to offer that is fine, but to come out with your own judgement and call my friend a jerk, is VERY offensive. I'm not sure how to be any more clearer with you, on what is appropriate, I guess future posting by you will offer the answer.

I find women who flock in support of serial murderers troubling, the so called groupies. But to clump all men convicted of murder into one group and deem them all untrustworthy, liars, cheats and not deserving of a second chance, is equally troubling.

My guy was convicted of 1st degree murder, for being present when the crime occurred. So based on his conviction, from some of the comments I’ve read here, he is disposable and I’m a sick sick pathetic excuse of a person for loving him.

I take offense to that generalization, and am disappointed that I found it here.

As far as the priest that was murdered, (I am a Catholic and completed 13 years (K-12) of education in Catholic schools). I am saddened for the people that suffered at his hands, their families as well as his family and the people that loved him. Did he get what he deserved? Only God can decide that.

I believe God created man and woman for a purpose and never understood how the Catholic Church twisted Gods will and words into believing their leaders needed to live celibate lives. It’s not healthy or normal for anyone to volunteer to go without the touch of another human being. Now I know this may be harsh, and a generalization.. but I think those man made rules lend to the suffering and chaos surrounding the abuse that has come to light in recent years. I know many highly spiritual Catholics that would make wonderful leaders, that give themselves to the church, but are also married with children. Personally I think the Vatican needs to revisits it’s rules on the requirements for priesthood as well as nuns.

Back to the priest, if his murder erased the pain he caused his victims, then maybe good was done. But we all know the scars and mental anguish his actions left on his many victims won’t cease with his death and all this publicity opened old wounds. My thoughts and prayers are with them and also for the soul of a very sick and troubled man.

You guys, do you read what SF says? She isn't bad mouthing anyone here. She doesn't say Momma Druce you are an idiot, just cuz I think your son is a little off. She like Mrs LMW has support for those of us who need a reality check. And lots of us do. Not everyone has a style of mealy mouth expression. And not everyone has the same listening style either. Get way off on Sf when she starts bashing a person and a person directly. When she says Mr. or Mrs. You, you yourself are crazy stupid. Not when she says take a look at the behavior involved here. Yeah, people are not their behavior but oh wait, your behavior pretty much defines who you are. Repition, depth of an act or seriousness of a crime. Think.

And if Momma Druce should come here expecting no one to have an opinion on such a high profile case she will get yet another eye opener. We here are opinionated. Some more vocal than others. Some with more finesse and tact than others. But we cannot wear our feelings on our sleeves, either, expose it all and then not expect them to be scraped by some again. Not everyone has the salve for the wound. Not everyone has the same wound and or same remedy.

We choose who to support and how. We can choose what to read and when and we do choose our feelings thru our thinking and our behavior. We choose. God helps when we let Him. God Bless Us All.


HONEY

HONEY

May be I do not have a dog in this "fight", but I am coming to the resue too. Pammiek, you are doing your job. Thank you.

When is generalizing in regards to an opinion grounds for another to grab it and say that is intended for me to hear? Was someone called directly by their name? If the shoe fits wear it. If is doesn't apply drop it.

I see sf, personalizing her opinions. Owning that she fits the category of those she is high lighting.

Not everything is POSITIVE. Is LOUD "negativity" inappropriate. Who stood up for the friends and family of the lady who locked her daughter in the trunk at visitation. Lots of US were saying some pretty stiff stuff about her. (4 pages worth) And do you not see Sf as maybe hurting from her Bad experience with a murderer or whatever his crime was. Maybe she is still greiving and in her own denial over loosing her intelligent "hunk". Sorry Sf, God thought.

So for me, a woman, who cannot handle direct confrontation too easily, I will always defend the "underdog" Especially to those with authority. Like an Administrator. So it is out there and maybe should be somewhere else. I do not know. Thanks for doing your job. I am too doing my job, as part of this community.

HONEY

In the not distant at all past, there have been a few occasions where many members of PTO have been upset or offended by blanket statements made, sweeping generalizations, etc. I think it would be a good idea if everyone would take this moment to reflect and be reminded to take care with such types of statements... a perfectly valid point can get mired in offensive tone in text without clarifiers to make a statement seem less about "all" and more about "some", and things like that. And it only takes a couple of extra keystrokes of typing to do so.

Again, I believe all anyone is really requesting is that some care and forethought be taken with such posts.

Lysbeth
(girlfriend of a convicted murderer)

Thank you Lysbeth, I am a good learner. That was sweet.
I need sweet many times. HONEY- yanno.

HONEY

"A" POV is just that, singular.

When presented as, "something to think about", it has value.

One needs to realize, what life has dealt us, is also "singular", pretaining to issues and/or situations belonging to self. Therefore, one's POV doesn't fit all.


POV(point of view)

Woah! This thread got way off topic. sfveggie: The picture that has been flashing on the news and in papers of Druce is 15 years old I think. I can't remember exactly, but here in Mass they had a article about him saying that the picture was taken at the time he was first sent to jail. I don't think he looks like that much anymore. 15 years in prison will take away all your cute boyish looks.

:) Heather

I think it is a shame Druce took it upon himself to kill the priest. I would have liked the priest to have time to think about the effects of his actions. He was being punished by being in prison. I am guessing Druce was sexually abused himself. He didn't need to offer himself up like a sacrificial lamb and hero for killing the priest.
I believe that when God judges us, it is fair.

sfveggie, I think you're probably really angry at yourself that you missed signs you were being, in your words, scammed. A person needs to keep questioning things, I think, and not just accept anything their inmate friend or family member says. I do think a person good at their core can kill. Not kill premeditated perhaps. But I think under some circumstances I could kill another person in a rage. There are an awful lot of people in prison who were with someone who killed, and they had no idea they were going to do that. The original plan was something much different.
I think sfveggie, you are judging each situation based on your own experience.

Ladies, ladies, Ladiessssssss!!!!!!
Let us get back to the original narrative. My God! I think I am back at Tutwiler (Women's prison) handling a heated argument. I have seen several tempers flair during review of your responses. I believe, you girls are fussing among yourselves instead of responding to the original narrative. The narrative ask about your thoughts on a pedophile priest's murder not who has made wrong judgement in loving a murderer, pedophile, DR inmate, etc. etc. . God Bless America for having a constitution that allows freedom of speech even when I say the wrong thing. I have voiced my stance toward DR, I was bashed, and I loved it. America, where everyone has an opinion! If we all had the same opinion, would the conversation be as good, wholesome, and helpful?
Are we so festered with emotions that we are offended by a person expressing their feelings toward persons that have done alot of very bad things? I know, I am among women and men that love "To the core" murderers, rapist, thieves, pedophiles, child molesters, and etc.; that 's okkkkk! You can love them, but for making tangible decisions; both the pros and cons must become known and evaluated. I read once during review of a psychology text that , "A true friend will tell you the truth not what you want to hear. You may not like what they said, but it requires some extra thought that develops your own decision about the point in question." Both sides of the coin make a coin. We flip it everyday while deciding a considered dilema during the decision of partaking or not. We seek advice from others, receive it, and make our decisions. Our decision process is hindered when we fail asking others thoughts on the subject. "Oh sugar that's ok. It will be ok." Instead, sometimes, I read "Girl fight their ass, Don't you dare take that, and Hell! I once had a situation similar that I did so and so." This is good for the soul and aids the thought process.
Please do not bash our brashy sister for she is speaking from the heart while incorporating a personal experience. Her sharing an experience with a very bad acting person may save someone else from falling prey to a scam and evolving into a person that hates DR prisoners. Voicing your opinion within a forum develops a balanced atmosphere in most situations, stimulates both sides of the spectrum, and creates conversation with multiple views. Now, will you please answer the narrative and stop bickering because someone voiced their opinion on the narrative based on their personal experienced feelings.

The murder was probably a premeditated "Hit' which the guy planned very well. He will probably not get the death penalty for he is cooperating and will plead to a lesser sentence. The state knew that the priest was a risk when he was placed in Protective Custody. He probably signed a waiver that allowed his mingling with other protected prisoners. His behavior within the cellblock community possibly provoked the killing. He may have been making a pedophilic move toward a weaker prisoner that he thought he could molest and/or sodomize. The killer may have been a victim himself of a pedophile which embedded him with hatred of the such. All kind of people exist in prison with multiple personalities and behaviors. Some can control their behavioral thoughts and others can not.
Reading the news, studying the priest's cases as they were examined in court, and listening to the Vatican's comments during his trial has displayed the embarrassment he has subjected to the Catholic Church. Many devout Catholics probably disliked the embarrassment, recognized the punitive damage that would be awarded, and hired a "Hit" on the priest. It happens often in prison across our country. Some are publicized and some are never mentioned. When a prisoner snitches on the wrong powerfully displayed/ highly respected prisoner, someone pays for a "Hit". Someone accepts the request and kills the snitch. This scenario is similar by shaming a highly respected religious group. The paper said that $10 million had been paid due to the priest's misbehavior. One plaintiff attorney for the victims stated that he would not speculate on the consequence that the murder had caused toward future settlements. One source said that as much as $60 million could be paid before this issue is settled. Would a "Hit" become cheaper than a multidollar class-action settlement? No testimony may prevent a conviction against the priest or cause a quick settlement without dragging the victims through the whole terrible ordeal again. I love you guys, even you, Phil from France! 38 Special

Parting comments: A person PMed me asking a tangible question about celldoors. A door in lock-up is designed for security after shutting it. The door's weakness is after it is opened. Prisoners whom live inside of Admin. Seg. study the whole surroundings including the doors. They recognize most every weakness inside the cellblock. Mr. killer saw the doors weakness, devised a plan, and utilized the weakness. He did what prison guards call "Tricking the door". He lodged a part of a book in the runners after the door is closed. Noone can open a jammed door after it is closed until the jam is removed.
Alabama trains their guards in "Acting in unusual situations" such as unjamming a lodged door, freeing a hanging prisoner by lifting him until assistance arrives, breaking the arm of an assaultive inmate when he/she is using a deadly weapon on another prisoner/guard, etc.. The officer probably panicked and forgot his training or may have been scared beyond thinking through the assistance procedure. Have you ever been scared beyond your thinking ability? You may have said later, "If I had it to do again, I would........" These are the thoughts of a retired, seasoned, and educated prison guard. I hope, I answered your question for you. Please PM your questions again. Thank you for commenting on the narrative.

Lastly, I have never privately praised nor scorned sfveggie. (For those wondering) I like the girl and love her brashy mouth like I love PammieK's sweet disposition. I would love visiting France, Spain, Italy, Canada, Holland, Russia, and all of the world. I think experiencing other cultures would be neat while seeing the citizens of those perspective countries interact. I do not hate any country, but hate it when they bash my country's actions. I am extremely sensitive toward my country's defense, since 9/11. If I have indicated hatred toward your country, I am sorry, but remember I am a Patriot of mine and will defend it until death. I love all People from all walks of this world and will tell anyone. I loved the prisoners so much that I made them mind while I tried displaying a good example. I hoped that I may have reached one in helping him/her change their ways when I was firm with him/her. I treated them like I wanted to be treated. I did not turn my head when they chose doing wrong nor did I allow my peers mistreating them neither. {A big huge SMILE and a HUG to all you fussy, tired of being lonesome lovers.} 38 Special goes to bed after that long, but needed dissertation.

LOL... "38" you can't just make a thread and just leave us alone,see what happens when you do? Have a good nights sleep but don't forget to come back and check on us!!!!

My friends son is on death row in California for a brutal, henious crime involving a mother and a daughter in a town nearby about 8 years ago. He was sentenced to death last january before last after being in county for almost 6 years.

She and I were at the coffee shop in town with several other folks and I was drinking coffee and talking with another friend a ways a way. My son was in his car seat sound asleep. This little boy of about 3 came up to him sat on the ground and was talking to him. his mother came up to me and commented on my sandles i had just bought for 3 bucks and leather at that!! we got to talking and she told me she was new in recovery 90 days just out of treatment. Her drinking and drug use took off like a bandit after her grandmother and aunt were brutally murdered 8 years before. My jaw hit the floor when I realized who this girl was. Now, should my friend and my new friend gone to blows because one just so happens to love a convicted murderer? WE cannot HELP who we love or who we will back in life or not back in life..EVERYONE has their own path and NOONE has the right to decide or critique anothers path in this life..I hate what that preist did, but ever HE did not deserve to die, only God has that right

Just my opinion.

38 & Sunnie, You guys are great. Thank you.

HONEY

38 this is off topic from the thread, but I know you'll come back to check this. I've missed you and as this conversation progressed, I was wondering when you'd stop back in!

Wise words you posted once again ~ I may not agree with 100%, but I'm sure with you 98%;) !

You take care and have a nice Holiday Weekend!:)

Your friend,

Pammie

PammieK and ladies,
I love you and watch after your situations on a regular basis. Continue fussing and I will turn off all monitors across America for a week. No PTO for one week what would you do? Have a safe and happy Labor Day! Come back soon for another fuss, but fix me some coffee first for you kept me up too late last night. See ya, 38 Special

Originally posted by sfveggie
i'm glad that priest is dead too.
i'm not christian but all child rapists need to face their karma.
how many kids that this jerk raped committed suicide or OD'd on drugs?

but check out mr. druce...

what a hottie! oooh, baby!!
the prison groupies are gonna go wild over this guy.
must be creamin' in their murderer-loving jeans!!
he may be even more popular that richard ramirez and scott peterson.

mr. druce will probably get the death penalty now considering it's his 2nd murder.
ah, poooor baby.
this guy is a skinhead KKK nazi, hates jews, gays, blacks, everyone...

how many women will be in love with him now and defend his innocence?

here's his picture.
too bad he's so damn handsome and so psychopathic!


http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/08/25/national1502EDT0588.DTL former girlfriend of Druce :) i went out with Darrin over 25 yrs ago and hes still as cute now as he was then.. hes always been a boy with problems, but i'd never be uncomfortable around him

38:

i think you are a right-on brother/sister and i, for one, am glad you are here! my whole life i have been looking for balance and you sure bring it to this web site.

as a young teenage girl i had a friend whose's parents marriage i simply could not understand. her mother was the most awesome woman, her father a brutal man. i was always asking what in the world her mother was doing with this man. her "pat" answer was always the same, "someone loved Hitler". she was jewish, by the way. i used to think about that a lot. sometimes i think you just can't help who you love!?

one thing for sure, i love 38's answers....

I feel like he isn't the first child molester to be killed in jail and won't be the last. He shouldn't be treated any differently than anyother molester and should have understood that this was the posibility when he commited his crimes.