Fascinated with the many convited inmates, Some without even meeting them. You might be a Outlaw Groupie.

Like the most famous Outlaw Groupie "Belle Starr 1848-1889
Myra Belle Shirley liked to have sex with outlaws.

Why do you have this fascination for inmates/convicts?

Have you not read the public file on the offenders lookup?

Some have lied? Names, and what they have done. Why?
Or prehaps you are not aware of the truth?

I would be very intersted in why you have a fascinated for convicts?

My intrest are strictly Medical.
Brian

Um, Brian

Are you directing your questions toward someone specific or are you asking general questions of various PTO members? I don't recall very many posts here on PTO about anyone being fascinated with prisoners so I was wondering where that question came from.

Is your Medical interest Personal or Professional?

PTO is about friendship and support for those who have a loved one, friend or general interest in those who are incarcerated. If anyone chooses to check into what crime the person they are involved with did, then its an individual choice.

I'm just wondering what purpose your questions have and what supportive plans do you have for PTO?

Mrs. Dragon

No
Fascinated, is what I have read.

Personal

Do PTO members aware of the web-site address available? I have never read a post that included a search site on criminal records. People lie.
Most post I read is information on visitation and mailing correspondence.

No wonder, just been a lurker for awhile reading. Just asking a question? Curiosity. Unsure of what I have to defend for PTO?

Sincerely, Brian

Originally posted by Mr Savage 2U
Do PTO members aware of the web-site address available? I have never read a post that included a search site on criminal records. People lie.
Most post I read is information on visitation and mailing correspondence.

Brian, perhaps you might familiarize yourself more with the entire site. PTO indeed has a comprehensive link to all available online inmate locators for all 50 states and the Federal system, as well the same links separated by state. Many of these carry a wealth of info on criminal records; some are still in the dark ages and don't have much nor even an online locator. That particular comprehensive link is here:

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17163

... in a forum that is devoted to searching for missing persons within the system, but those links are all over the site as well as are many, many other links helpful to finding such information. And there are many members here knowledgeable about searching other resources for criminal records, I can't recall specific cases but you can be assured that if any member is having doubts or concerns about lies and such things in their relationships there are a wealth of people here who know how to help them. And for that matter a call to the inmate's case manager would likely clear up any misconceptions and I have seen that advice offered many times within PTO.

For the record, my incarcerated loved one is someone I have not only known for 15 years (and years before he was incarcerated), and was a longtime and dear friend before the relationship became something beyond just friendship, but have also read all official court documentation related to his case. I know exactly what he did and was in fact indirectly involved with his case as a witness when he did it. And all that is beside the point anyway - the roots of our relationship formed long before he ever became a convicted felon.

So I would urge you to reconsider making broad statements about "outlaw groupies" when referring to PTO members... just a kind suggestion there. You might offend someone like me who might or might not take too kindly to such broad and generalized statements. As it is, I'm willing to overlook it in hopes that you will better familiarize yourself with the PTO site as well as the stories of many of the members before making such a statement again.

No wonder, just been a lurker for awhile reading. Just asking a question? Curiosity. Unsure of what I have to defend for PTO?

PTO is a site for support and non-judgment of families and loved ones of the incarcerated. I'd daresay if you have nothing to add as far as support of those of us with families and loved ones in prison, your curiosity may not be very welcome here. You are certainly welcome to post and read here on PTO but please do keep in mind that this site is STRICTLY for non-judgmental support of loved ones of prisoners.

Lysbeth
PTO Moderator

In comment regarding your answer to my post.......

People Lie. YES, people lie!!! Women, men, business people, politicians, children, prosecutors, neighbors, police officers, parents, actors, judges, auto repair people, real estate salespeople, and YES, prisoners lie. But not every one lies.....just some.

The first person who has NEVER told a lie, please stand up and take a bow and I'll be sure to never check to make sure you aren't lying about having never lied.

And I wonder how you put together outlaws, groupies and lying??? My husband WAS an outlaw, I'm certainly NOT a groupie and we don't lie to each other. But if any PTO member is what you call an "outlaw groupie" that's their choice. Not all outlaws are in prison, not all women who love outlaws are groupies and not all prisoners are liars.

Mrs. Dragon

I like lysbeth knew my husband for awhile before he was incarcerated. And yes I have looked at his public profile. I look at it every chance i get. Since joining PTO i havent once ever regretted it. When i have needed it, there has always been someone there for support...not a "groupie" as you call it. I dont consider my husband a "convict" either. I think of him as a person who had some bad luck. I love him just as much now as i did before he went to prison.

As Lysbeth said maybe you should browse around PTO a little more before you start judging all of the members and considering them "groupies". Find out why all of us are really here.

I am absolutely familar with alll aspects of my childhood best friend and now fiancee's record we have a relationship that has outlasted many years and hardships this is just one time he made a wrong decision. I know not a single person in the world who can say they have never made a wrong decision. I will not stop loving him because of his mistakes, that isn't what love is about.

Do I love some what that is incarecerated YES I DO!! Am i an outlaw junkie? NO I am simply a woman in love with one person who happens to be an inmate.

Am I facinated by him HELL YES I AM!! I have been since we were kids that is a wonderful aspect of love, when you are truly in love you think of, care for, talk about, and treasure the person you are with. That is something people in love do no matter who you love or where they are out or what mistakes they have made. We here come together to find a place where we cn share and enjoy that love without people coming in to judge what they truly do not understand. If you have a problem with us loving who we do then why are you visiting a site for loved ones of inmates?

What is the "medical" stuff? What does this group have to do with "medical"? I think your background needs to be checked!

Originally posted by Mr Savage 2U
No
Fascinated, is what I have read.

Personal

Do PTO members aware of the web-site address available? I have never read a post that included a search site on criminal records. People lie.
Most post I read is information on visitation and mailing correspondence.

No wonder, just been a lurker for awhile reading. Just asking a question? Curiosity. Unsure of what I have to defend for PTO?

Sincerely, Brian

Get a life of your own and stop living vicariously thru us.

Perhaps you are doing a dissertation or something for a graduate degree? Is that what you mean by medical? Exactly what kind of "doc" told you about PTO? As you can tell by some of the other replies to your post - it was kind of offensive sounding. I'm hoping it wasn't ment to be that way. My bf is in prison for a stupid decision that he made - and for failing to deal with the consequences of his actions in a timly manner only made it worse. But there is so much more to him and us outside of the whole "system" A place we won't be back to.

I wanted to retract my prior post and appologize. I was not feeling well when I posted it. Instead I would like to make the following post.

This site is not here for you to "examine" us or for the betterment of your knowledge. If you need that, try an internship somewhere. This site is about support for those of us who are dealing with the prison system.

We do not come here to be put under anyones microscope and to be subjected to your "strictly personal medical" curiousity.

Some of us are dealing with some REAL life altering situations. This is our safe haven and I feel you have intruded on it. Personally, I am not here for you to examine your fascination. Or to provide stimulation for your curiousity. I am here for support from people who share my same hardships.

And for those who might consider a woman posting her oppinions as whining, please be a gentleman and leave us in peace. Lord knows we do not want to impose on your delicate sensibilities with our womanly whining.

I too am offended that you choose this forum to start you thread about people not knowing what they are getting into because Oklahoma is one of the states that has a very comprehensive website including an offender lookup page. And there is no way that they can lie about their names and such or to hide what they have done from you since the mail will not be sent out of a prison here without the proper name and DOC number on it, as well as t being clearly marked with the procedure to do if you get unwanted mail and the steps for looking into the reason the person is in DOC custody.

2. All outgoing inmate correspondence will have the following statement stamped on the back of the envelope: “This correspondence is from an inmate under the custody of the Oklahoma Department of Corrections (ODOC). For specific information about the inmate sending this correspondence such as; offense, projected release date, photo, etc. refer to our website at www.doc.state.ok.us. Click on the “Offender Information” link then the “Offender Lookup” link or contact (list facility contact and facility telephone number) at facility telephone. Further, the facility is not responsible for the substance or content. Objectionable material may be returned to the facility head at (list facility name)”.
The above was copied directly from the OKDOC site on mail issues and below is the link to that policy page. Before you start attacking us and wondering if we dont know what we are getting into maybe you should have your facts straight. I am trying really hard to be nice and educate when I really don't want to be nice to someone that comes in here to satisfy their "curiosity" about our lives. I am by no means a Dumb Okie if that is what you thought you would be getting by posting in here I am a well educated person who has had to learn to deal with the system and I have to tell you I am well respected by the staff at the prison my loved one is at (from the warden down to the everyday guards.) for being knowledgable about the factors my fiancee has to deal with and in for the way I support him and make sure he is taken care of. You say DOC told you about this place in your profile wonder if that is becasue they refussed to deal with you in your assinine search for something that isnt the true day to day relationship we have with our loved ones. I would wager that you wouldnt get much past the operator here if you tried the attitude behind your post here with them.

http://www.doc.state.ok.us/Offtech/op030117.htm

Best medical joke I"ve heard, (before this thread) was,.."well, I'm not a gynecologist,...but I'd be willing to take a look".

Whether psychological or sociological or the closest thing to something to legitimize the vaguest misplaced question du jour....., if this is some sort of 'research' I'd have guessed that you might be practiced in research.

Research of this site might have made it painfully clear that this place is full of folks who's civilian friends and family have been displaced behind constantine wire. It is full of folks who see beyond the wire. In a reading of any of the posts made on the topic of folks who've met by mail or chance, it would be fairly apparent that the intention and integrity of the civilian lies elsewhere than in the notoriety or notorious nature (real or imagined) of anyone they choose to engage in a parlance.

There are places all over this web for ghouls to be ghoulish and elevate themselves by associating themselves to some extent with every fruit, nut, and flake IN the bowl. This is not such a site... An opinion. Mine.

lmaoooo@life.....very good quote...

hi guys...my name is kath (HELLLLLLO KATH) and I love an inmate....In fact, most on here would say...I'm a bonafide "SKIP GROUPIE!!!" Heck, he's only been gone 9+ months....but I've been a Skip Groupie for nearly 7 years...We didn't start out in prison (though some here have, and it's all good), and we wound up here when we would have BOTH told you it would never happen.....Sometimes, life DOES happen, just not like you planned.

You are missing something here Mr (I live near you in Plano~I could be your neighor...are ya skeered?) Savage. We are here to share ideas/advice/info/and pain with others who understand where we're at. I don't make it a habit to tell my neighbors that my boyfriend is in prison (though I will if they ask), but here, I know that I WILL NOT BE JUDGED, based on my love's current temporary residence.

Wanna examine my head any further???

kath

Outlaw groupie? That sounds somewhat medieval to me. Is everyone in prison an outlaw? In what times do you live? And why the word “groupie”? That doesn’t fit either.

I couldn’t find any post here stating that someone is fascinated for convicts. I guess 99.9% of the people here are in contact with convicts because of love, friendship, support…… but I’ve not seen anything like a general fascination for those in prison?

What are your medical interests? That sounds somewhat strange to me.

If you're looking for some sort of "outlaw groupies" maybe you should try a serial killer forum. Richard Ramirez had, and still has, plenty of groupies. My opinion.

I guess this was just someone trying to mess with us to make himself feel superior.
I don't even feel offended or feel like explaining myself. People like Savage (Dr. Ignorant) will come and go- they just make me smile.

I wonder why we always fall for those people and try to justify our lives? IGNORE them- please!


Tanya

I read PTO welcome's other view points seeking to learn more, was not my questions friendly?
I see an unwelcome, on the edge of hostile and bashing.
I wanted to learn. A colleague says " Rash and nonsequitur" the posting show.

Is a background needed? medical CMHCC
Hospice and HIV/Aids patients.

Sincerely
Brian

Well, I'm MS (!!!) toi_ama2U and what stood out to me was your statement that Belle Star liked having sex with convicts. I assume you have that on good authority? Are you hoping for some titillating sexual tidbits out of us here? If so, don't hold your breath. You need to go somewhere else for that. There are porn websites geared toward supposed prison sexual encounters where you can get your jollies. The people here are real people with real loved ones who are in prison and what we do about any aspect of our lives is our business.

You know personally i think that reply you just made makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me. What exactly is it that you wanted to learn? And where has anyone said anything about Hospice and HIV/AIDS patients?

I need to stop while i am ahead. To David and All of the moderaters I am sorry if I have said anything out of line.

toi i wasnt meaning your reply.

I know you didn't mean mine. Hugs, Tammy. No offense taken.

When you come in hositile and making blanket statements about "outlaw groupies" then you can only expect hositility these maybe "study material" to you but they are real people People we love, I see nothing that would even quailfy standing by the one you love as medical. Besides lets be honest if you were truly doing legitimate research you would have approached things differently and know how to properly spell the things you are supposedly researching.

Originally posted by Mr Savage 2U
Fascinated with the many convited inmates, Some without even meeting them. You might be a Outlaw Groupie.

Like the most famous Outlaw Groupie "Belle Starr 1848-1889
Myra Belle Shirley liked to have sex with outlaws.

Why do you have this fascination for inmates/convicts?

Have you not read the public file on the offenders lookup?

Some have lied? Names, and what they have done. Why?
Or prehaps you are not aware of the truth?

I would be very intersted in why you have a fascinated for convicts?

My intrest are strictly Medical.
Brian

mr savage i dont know what u are thinking about saying anything about inmates. My husband and i have been together for 13 years and i hate when someone puts them down, My question is how would u feel if someone in ur family or u yourself was to become incarcerated. your adititude would change some wouldnt it. Well i think u need to be more compassionate and caring because inmates are people too. Remember that the next time u decide to run down someone else. we are not on this earth to judge , we have one judge that is God himself. Sorry i have to be so mean but that is the facts. My husband is a christian and had changed his life and others i have seen it in them. I participate in a Prison Ministry called Kairos Outside and its designed for women who have someone in prison or who has been in prison or had some one who had someone in prison.Well i know everyone is allowed there opinion i guess but hate when people do put down the inmates because they are in there for something they have done wrong and some are in there and there innoccent because we have seen that happen here in oklahoma recently. But i do have one more thing to say. IMATES ARE PEOPLE TOO and they have a right to be happy as well as you do

Originally posted by Trulykath
You are missing something here Mr (I live near you in Plano~I could be your neighor...are ya skeered?)
Wanna examine my head any further???

kath

God damn I love you girl, LMBO

I never mentioned research.

Please Read the past post.

Are you just misunderstood?

Is it safe to say "do you have been the object for almost boundless admiration?

Searched for the safe and embracing life?

They are just a victim of miscarriage of justice?

Remember this is only my personal INTREST are strictly Medical. Currently Managed Health Care. Past I have worked in hospice and Hiv/Aids patients. Biography ok?

Just curiosity. You welcome people with other view points seeking to learn more.
Brian

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Hi Brian

You blew a good chance on 'learning' anything from a member here at PTO by your opening statement.
Fascinated with the many convited inmates, Some without even meeting them. You might be a Outlaw Groupie.
And then going on to reference a century year old example of some lady liking to have sex with outlaws... In my opinion it is you that has some 'fascination' with offenders and their relationships.

Here you won't find the 'groupie' scenerio that you are looking for. PTO is made of of many loving and REAL relationships that I'm afraid you may not have had the opportunity to experience in your lifetime. Relationships all have their up/down's and for better and worse. The members here are just trying to get through one day at a time and your 'tone' in your choice of words, does not make it easy to appease your curiousity. So perhaps if you have any more questions/thoughts and you do not want a negative/hostile tone in return, try a different approach. If that is your true line of work, I would think that you would have a more sensitive approach in dealing with people who are going through a difficult time.

Pam

Thank you, for those who did shed some light.

A great disappointment to others. I did not find your communication at all that interesting.

As to the Administrator "You Blew a good chance" RUDE
The administration needs to read there own outline guides.

No need to post anymore I will not be back.
Hostile, bashing, Did your buttons get pushed.

Good bye PTO

Brian

My Gawd...

I...am...struggling...here...trying...to...hold... my tongue...

Bye good, Brian !

Do all people Like to get their dogs in the dogs fight? Me too!!! Kath, you crack me up. SKeered........? SAVAGE. Mr. Savage to us. I am still laughing at this sad situation.

Fly girl-that was great. I have never ever joined a group before PTO. I would not have thought that people would post and run away. But obviously, I am wrong. And even though I have been accused of "instigating" as a child, it is never my intention, probably only ignorance on my part.

Is INTREST a word? Why keep misspelling that?

I think it really is sad. We are here for comfort and support. It is difficult when others are not in our shoes, for others to offer what?, to us or benifit from our experiences, cuz that judgemental attitude just closes their minds and they can not see what PTO is about. Feel what we are about. Their questions are even way off the mark.

Anyway, good morning. And I guess, bye bye Brian.

HONEY

I know this isnt a good attitude to have about a fellow member of PTO and i am sorry for saying it but i am not sorry to see him go. I did find him rude and offensive. He had no idea what the mission and purpose of PTO is about.

Originally posted by Mr Savage 2U
Thank you, for those who did shed some light.

A great disappointment to others. I did not find your communication at all that interesting.

As to the Administrator "You Blew a good chance" RUDE
The administration needs to read there own outline guides.

No need to post anymore I will not be back.
Hostile, bashing, Did your buttons get pushed.

Good bye PTO

Brian

Mr savage 2U (Brian) appears to have left PTO. Thread Closed.