Okay my best friend has been behind bars june was a year ago and recently he has began mentioning Odinism and something pertaining to the 14 Words of Aryan Nation of WOTAN Words Of The Aryan Nation...anyways I have research all of this and I am not finding much to tie all of this together. He is not telling me much either except to say no he is not a skin head etc other than that this is an old religion dating back further than christianity. Does anyone know anything about this at all? Is this a prison based religion or what? I gettin worried he may be getting into something he shouldnt. So any help would be so very much appreciated...Thank you!

There is a thread in "The Spiritual Connection" that may help you. I know I have read of members that believe in Odinism. Or, just search the word, "Odinism" I am sure you will find the thread. If you need help, PM me!


There is a gang called the Aryan Brotherhood.

There are some Odinists here and far as I know I don’t believe that the 14 words and the religion go together. That’s kind of a can of worms.
Asatru, (ancient Norse religion) often referred to as Odinism, incorporates the worship of Odin, Thor and other gods and goddesses and is not innately racist. You can also maybe search for the Havamal.

I am an Odinist, but true Odinists such as my husband and I do not believe in the Aryan beliefs. The 14 words are NOT Odinist words.

Just as in any religion, offshoots grow, and really have NOTHING to do with the actual fundamentals of the base religion. That is what these Aryan people do.......they are not really Odinists - they just use the name to disguise their prejudices. They are White Supremists NOT Odinists.

Odinism is the ancient preChristian religion of the Vikings. True Odisnists believe in hearth and home. Our Allfather is Odin and have many other Gods and Goddesses that we involve in our lives.

Most modern Odinists are solid working class families who are close knit and very protective of our own - hearth and home come FIRST. We are NOT racists.

And yes you should be worried about him if he is getting involved with White Supremists.

mrs. d

I just got off the phone with my hubby. He reminded me that the 14 words are those of White Supremist David Lane. If you do a web search using "14 words" you will come up the the garbage this man spews under the guise of religion. It is definitely NOT the words of Odin....

mrs. d

Asatru, or "The Northern Way" is the Viking religion of honoring Gods/Godesses of the Aesir and Vanir. You may have studied Norse Mythology in school and be familiar with some of these figures. You may have studied the aggression of the Viking Voyagers, but there was more to the Viking culture.

The Viking society was primarily agrarian, and granted women equal rights to property and the political process. Today's Asatruar celebrate the Vikings for their courage and strength.

Asatru honor faith, folk and family in groups called Kindreds. The Kindreds celebrate life's joys and sorrows and most of their activities are family-oriented.

In reading the Poetic Edda and Sagas you will find a celebration of diversity. Gods, giants, elves, trolls, kings with knicknames like "Half-Dane the Black" making it clear that the descendants of Odin, Thor and the Vikings were a diverse people.

Those who practice the northern way battle devastating and unfair sterotypes of "Prison Odinists" and "Nazitru." As some hatefilled groups have stolen and dishonored ancient symbols and interpret them to support ignorance, anger, violence and hate. Groups like the Aryan Nation or Aryan Brotherhood are far from the legitimate Norse traditions and are unwelcome in Asatru kindreds.

A movie to watch that will give you a small peak into what we are talking about would be The Thirteenth Warrior. My faith is similar to Mrs D's and Freya's. We are constantly having to explain how it is not related to the STG gangs although they use bits and pieces of it. The 14 words and the WOTAN are things I would stay away from.

mabear...so can you please enlighten me as to if this is really as bad as you say? Ty is such a sweet and gently guy I've known all my life. As he possibly picked this up in prison? He has referred to exactly the things you mentioned the 24 words and WOTAN yet I can find nothing on the internet on that only on norse gods and odin...i desperatly want to know what my dear friend has gotten into!!! Please someone help me! and thank you all for you help :)

The Northvegr lead their lives following The Nine Noble Virtues:

THE NINE NOBLE VIRTUES OF ASATRU
COURAGE
By facing Iife's struggles with courage, we constantly extend our capabilities. Without courage, nothing else can be done!

TRUTH
Realism, No pie-in-the-sky; we must act in this world as we see it and as it really is rather than calmly wait for the next

HONOR
We must be true to what we are, and we insist on acting with nobility rather than baseness. Our standards must be banners held high in our hearts.

FIDELITY
We stand true to our faith and our values. Loyalty is the basis for all enduring human activity, and we hold it in the highest esteem.

HOSPITALITY
The isolation and loneliness of modern life is not necessary. The willingness to share what one has with ones' fellows, especially travelers, is a vital part of our way of life.

DISCIPLINE
We hold to the discipline necessary to fulfill our purpose. We stand willing to exercise the self-control and steadfastness necessary in these difficult times.

INDUSTRIOUSNESS
Let us dare to be all that we can be! Let us take risks and taste the richness of life. Passivity is for sheep. We refuse to be mere spectators in life.

SELF-RELIANCE
We depend on our own strength and character to achieve our goals. We seek only the freedom necessary to our quest, whatever it may be.

PERSEVERANCE
We hold to our path until its completion and are not ashamed to be strong. The cult of the anti-hero will find no support in us, and the gods we follow are not for the weak.

Cattle die, kinsmen die,
one day you yourself must die.
I know one thing that never dies:
the dead man's reputation.

Havamal - Sayings of the High One

I am not familiar with the 24 or 14 words of WOTAN. But if MaBear and Mrs. D. are, I would take their advice to stay away from them. The Internet has lots of info on this subject.

Try keyword: Irminsul Aettir

thank you freya...im afraid ill be online for hours tonight looking all this up but hes like a brother to me so this is well worth the trouble and anguish i am goin through...thanks :)

Originally posted by Freya
Asatru, or "The Northern Way" is the Viking religion of honoring Gods/Godesses of the Aesir and Vanir. You may have studied Norse Mythology in school and be familiar with some of these figures. You may have studied the aggression of the Viking Voyagers, but there was more to the Viking culture.

The Viking society was primarily agrarian, and granted women equal rights to property and the political process. Today's Asatruar celebrate the Vikings for their courage and strength.

Asatru honor faith, folk and family in groups called Kindreds. The Kindreds celebrate life's joys and sorrows and most of their activities are family-oriented.

In reading the Poetic Edda and Sagas you will find a celebration of diversity. Gods, giants, elves, trolls, kings with knicknames like "Half-Dane the Black" making it clear that the descendants of Odin, Thor and the Vikings were a diverse people.

Those who practice the northern way battle devastating and unfair sterotypes of "Prison Odinists" and "Nazitru." As some hatefilled groups have stolen and dishonored ancient symbols and interpret them to support ignorance, anger, violence and hate. Groups like the Aryan Nation or Aryan Brotherhood are far from the legitimate Norse traditions and are unwelcome in Asatru kindreds.

I disagree with some stuff that you've said here, but that's not what i want to comment on. It is true that there are many religions (and/or spiritualities) that become gangs in prison. Asutra(u) guys shared the locker and a room with buddhists in the prison i was at. And we did have one guy come in to us telling how he started going to their services, and thought that they were great... until they told him that when they talked about people they ment only pale skinned homo sapiens...

Free your mind and seek the truth.
- VolodyA! V Anarhist

Asatru is not a racist group nor a gang. It is a pre-Christian northern European pagan religion which involves ancestor worship, which is where some people start getting the mistaken impression that it is racist. I have been at Asatru kindred gatherings where persons of non-European descent were present and welcomed - if they are interested in this particular spiritual path. It would be difficult to follow this religion, however, if you don't have northern European ancestry. I have known several prisoners who joined Asatru kindreds and it helped them leave behind drugs and unnecessary violence. There is a big emphasis on honor, loyalty, and family. And its celebrations are nature-based. Some racists try to co-opt it to their own ends but that is not Asatru. Zelda

Hi i see that this post is old but I have some info My fiancee belongs to the aryan brotherhood and well as i am getting into it. the aryan brother hoos is basically a religion like anyothers we have our rules as well as our belifes. For you guys to call us a gang or any other degrading words is wrong. We dont call catholics a gang and they all belive the same as one another the 14 words are as follows We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children., Who has any right to say what religion or what anyone else belives is right or wrong. I think people really need to investigate, and learn as much about soemthign before they state anything negative but at the same time evryone has a right to a opinon If anyone is interetested in gaining more information about the aryanbrother hood or any other of these white pride gangs feel free to pm me i have done my research. Belive it or not not everyone who is aryan is a racist.

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My, my, my have we been busy here?! It's kinda sad with all the other stuff we have to deal with like our love ones being in PRISON. Love, Peace and Harmony folks.

Are you blond haired and blue eyed and european?? Cause that's what an Aryan is. My skin may be white but my eyes are hazel and my hair is brown. Yikes is all i have to say. Any so called religion or cult by the sounds of it, that believes in the preservation of race is just nonsense.. It's skin colour for crying out loud! Pigmentation!! Catholics are of all sorts of colours.. so i don't think it's fair to compare Catholicism to the freakin Aryan Brotherhood.. I'm so glad i grew up in a country where i was taught to treat everyone equal.. Multiculturalism and NOT melting pot. Just my opinion..

Hi i see that this post is old but I have some info My fiancee belongs to the aryan brotherhood and well as i am getting into it. the aryan brother hoos is basically a religion like anyothers we have our rules as well as our belifes. For you guys to call us a gang or any other degrading words is wrong. We dont call catholics a gang and they all belive the same as one another the 14 words are as follows We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children., Who has any right to say what religion or what anyone else belives is right or wrong. I think people really need to investigate, and learn as much about soemthign before they state anything negative but at the same time evryone has a right to a opinon If anyone is interetested in gaining more information about the aryanbrother hood or any other of these white pride gangs feel free to pm me i have done my research. Belive it or not not everyone who is aryan is a racist.

My "boyfriend" (he says he's my boyfriend, yet, we didn't have that great of a relationship before he went up, so whatever) is a member of the aryan brotherhood. And I also happen to know the guy who is way way up there like Vice President or something like that over the brotherhood. I myself wanted to know a little more about their way of believing, so I did some searching on the net. I don't know if I can post a url here for you or not, and if not you can Google "David Lane 88 Precepts" but if I can, here it is (moderators will delete it if I can't post it I'm sure) http://pyramidprophecy.net/88%20Precepts.htm

It shows the 14 Words they live by, as well as their 88 Precepts that they believe. Basically from what I am understanding of it, they think whites are superior to everyone else, and they don't go for inter-racial relationships, and they don't like any other race trying to have any power over whites.

I hope this might help you a bit, and I also apologize in advance if I am not allowed to post a url to something like that.

I cannot speak to the religion part of this but I can speak to
Aryan Nation of WOTAN Words Of The Aryan Nation.
This IS a gang thing, a secuirty threat group thing. The Aryan Nation IS a gang and you should be very concerned!
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/a83.html
http://www.rickross.com/groups/aryan.html
http://www.aryan-nations.org/
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id7/pg1/

It's ashame that we have to worry about our loved ones getting into the Gang thing I pray they all stay clear of such a mess.

I am sooo glad my Hubbie is not in a gang nor affiliated with any sort of gang or religon although he believes in JESUS. My opinion is if you are with separatism, you must not be comfortable in the skin you're in. With all the tragic stuff going on in the world we ought to be coming together in peace and harmony. Everything involing an ism is toxic and harmful to society as a whole. Think about it. Further more there is no pure race and this land belonged to the American Native Indians. Do the history. And they don't even have a voice. Let's try to get along and focus on our love ones in prison as a family. Peace.

Hey folks I believe in an anciet religion that dates back to thousands of years when one man walked the Earth and preached the good measure to love your brother. He wasn't a white man like many think, no he was from the east and he spoke neither Arabic nor Hebrew but he spoke Aramaic! He healed millions of sick people, rose the dead and fed the hungry! His love heals many still this day. any man that steps in his house and hears huis word will be brought to his knees by his goodness because Jesus Christ doesn't seperate anyone man from his love or his word. Amen! :thumbsup:

I'm with you on that one!

Hey folks I believe in an anciet religion that dates back to thousands of years when one man walked the Earth and preached the good measure to love your brother. He wasn't a white man like many think, no he was from the east and he spoke neither Arabic nor Hebrew but he spoke Aramaic! He healed millions of sick people, rose the dead and fed the hungry! His love heals many still this day. any man that steps in his house and hears huis word will be brought to his knees by his goodness because Jesus Christ doesn't seperate anyone man from his love or his word. Amen! :thumbsup:

A little history lesson...(no offense). This religion that you say is thousands of years old is approximately 1800 years old. You can believe what you want. Personally, I think only a slave bows, and only a slave-god would demand that his followers bow to him. Yes, I am an Odinist.

P.S. For some interesting reading, you may want to check out The Life of Apollonius.

A little history lesson...(no offense). This religion that you say is thousands of years old is approximately 1800 years old. You can believe what you want. Personally, I think only a slave bows, and only a slave-god would demand that his followers bow to him. Yes, I am an Odinist.

P.S. For some interesting reading, you may want to check out The Life of Apollonius.

just curious, are you saying Christianity is approx. 1800 years old? if so, it is actually over 2000 years old, as the first church was formed while Jesus walked the Earth (book of Acts in the Bible) and that was over 2000 years ago. Not trying to argue, just clarify. just my :twocents: thanks.

just curious, are you saying Christianity is approx. 1800 years old? if so, it is actually over 2000 years old, as the first church was formed while Jesus walked the Earth (book of Acts in the Bible) and that was over 2000 years ago. Not trying to argue, just clarify. just my :twocents: thanks.My personal belief is that at the Council of Nicaea in 325CE, the religion known as christianity was first created. This was done by the pagan Roman churchmen and presided over by the Emperor of Rome, Constantine. Many holidays which for hundreds of years we have been told are christian are actually of pagan origin. Your christmas is one of the biggest. The only thing christian about it is the nativity scene. The rest of it is heathen.
FACT: In the 1600's this practice of this was outlawed in England and in America, due to the fact of its origin.:idea:
But I believe that everybody is entitled to their own faith. I would never say someone is wrong because they don't believe the way I do.

As has been said, gangs aren't good. Not to beat a dead horse, but please urge your friend to be careful. The rest of you, please remember that life inside prison is not real. It's an artificial environment and it doesn't work like the outside world. Just because a belief is family-oriented out here doesn't mean we can assume it's the same inside!

I've seen this myself, when a twisted person picks some lesser-known religion to incorporate some questionable beliefs or activities. It's very easy, because the BOP usually can't find the appropriate clergy (or whatever) on the outside to preside over services, so they let the inmate run it his/her own way. Just like a cult out here, and cults operate just like gangs. This could be what's going on. Can you find out what the real attraction to this group is? That might tell you more about the situation.

Good luck, and bless you for keeping in touch with your friend!

I forgot this in my last post. Just some interesting reading that's all. I'm not looking to convert anyone, just maybe enlighten a little.
http://www.apollonius.net/bernardCe.html

Many holidays which for hundreds of years we have been told are christian are actually of pagan origin. Your christmas is one of the biggest. The only thing christian about it is the nativity scene. The rest of it is heathen.

Thats right! most Christians dont even know that. Jesus wasnt even born in wintertime but in harvest season, which is fall. Easter is a name of a Pagan Goddess and only became the name of the resurrection celebration through traditions of man, and did not originate from the Christian faith.

It is sad that so many people dont even know why they color eggs or hunt them, nor do they understand that the practice of placing gifts under a tree is also a pagan tradition, and it sure wasnt toys they placed under the tree in the original pagan practice! :eek:

see, i do know the background and origin of what i believe. True, most people do not, but I do. although far off the original topic, this is an interesting thread. thanks for your input. :)

I took a Religion class last semester and actually the Aryans were not blond hair and blue eyed! Aryan is the self designation of the peoples of Ancient India and Ancient Iran who spoke Aryan languages, in contrast to the "non-aryan" language.

This whole reference to Aryans being blond haired and blue eyed and being the master race is all a delusion of Hitler. He was the one that change the meaning of Aryan. Suffice to say, noone did any history on it and just followed what they were told. So in essence, if your claiming the Aryan Brotherhood as a master race, your claiming that the true master race is dark skinned and of ancient decent. Read history here people!

About the pagan and Christian links. The reason that the Christian leaders chose to have Christian holidays around Pagan celebrations was so the Christians would have an easier way to convert pagans!

Jesus was born "when the sheep were in the field." There were no sheep in the field in December! This time of year, I believe, celebrates the winter solstice.

Denise

I took a Religion class last semester and actually the Aryans were not blond hair and blue eyed! Aryan is the self designation of the peoples of Ancient India and Ancient Iran who spoke Aryan languages, in contrast to the "non-aryan" language.

This whole reference to Aryans being blond haired and blue eyed and being the master race is all a delusion of Hitler. He was the one that change the meaning of Aryan. Suffice to say, noone did any history on it and just followed what they were told. So in essence, if your claiming the Aryan Brotherhood as a master race, your claiming that the true master race is dark skinned and of ancient decent. Read history here people!

About the pagan and Christian links. The reason that the Christian leaders chose to have Christian holidays around Pagan celebrations was so the Christians would have an easier way to convert pagans!

Jesus was born "when the sheep were in the field." There were no sheep in the field in December! This time of year, I believe, celebrates the winter solstice.

Denise

Yes that's true about the Aryans. Hitler was an idiot!!! The symbols he used ie. the swastika(fylfot), and runes, were merely props. He did not believe in the ancient ways, for he was a christian(albiet a very warped vision of christianity). In books like Mein Kmepf(sp),&Hitler's table talks, he spoke of how he thought that the odinist of his era were idiots and cowards. As for the Aryan Brotherhood I would lump them into this catagory with Hitler, not knowing what they are talking about. The proper term would be Indo-European. I see nothing wrong with being proud of ones ancestery, so long as they respect other peoples as well.
Denise, you were right. That the man people follow called jesus was not born in the winter. Early clergy placed his birth right in the middle of the winter solstice(Yule-12 days long).

Hropt

About the pagan and Christian links. The reason that the Christian leaders chose to have Christian holidays around Pagan celebrations was so the Christians would have an easier way to convert pagans!

Jesus was born "when the sheep were in the field." There were no sheep in the field in December! This time of year, I believe, celebrates the winter solstice.

Denise

The Roman Catholic church are the ones who began the original 'melting pot', trying to form a religion that would appeal to all people. this included pagan practices, to appeal to the Pagans. This method was errorneous as it perverted the beliefs of every religion by mixing the practices of each, and as traditions have continued, people now practice rituals and holidays that have nothing to do with knowing their Messiah personally. Thats deception for ya, at its best. :blah: I could go on and on with a list of 'Christian beliefs' that are erroneous and not Biblically based, but stem from this original 'melting pot' idea.

It's good to have a discussion like this and bring all this to light, its interesting to dive into history isnt it? :) ~Aimee

Yes this is a good thread for it will bring things to light. Hopefully those that have gang aff. will see this is not the way to go, get it right, and if you want to serve God then do so But don't use this a way to gain power and hurt /or kill other inmates.
<just my FYI>

Just wanted to put my thoughts out to any other Odinists on this board, there is a good forum located at www.odinist.com . Odinists from all over the world converse there, and there is even a section for prison outreach. May be worth checking out for the Odinists, or anyone curious about the religion. :)

I have known many odinists and yes the origin is pagan not White supremacy but The Aryan brother hood has adopted it, as of late, mainly, to keep the Law off their backs and in prison it is not as easily identified. So I am told.

Its so sad that you believe that way. Maybe you will understand eventually! I just pray for you!!