Many of you here know my ex-boyfriend is an addict. His drug of choice, whatever he can get his hands on, except weed. I have never seen him smoke pot.

I recently met this new guy, who's only drug of choice is pot. He doesn't drink, doesn't do pills, has a good job, pays his bills on time, goes to work everyday.

So tell me how many of you think smoking pot is a bad thing?

I do.

I personally know a very intelligent young lady who had the world at her feet. She started smoking pot and still does. She dropped out of HS her senior year....she had always planned to be a nurse, had good grades, lots of friends. She still lives at home 2 years later, no diploma, no GED...nothing. She worked at the Dollar Store and the Skating Ring for a while last year, but that's about it. Her only friends are other "pot-heads". She looks terrible, never has any energy.....she is wasting her life.

Addiction is addiction be it meth, crack, alcohol or pot.

Monique,

Good point!

However, this is a guy who is in his late 30's, gets up every day at 6:00 a.m., goes to work every day and is well established. I've seen him go weeks without smoking pot.

Is there such a thing as weekend warriors when it comes to getting high?

That I do not know. I do know people who have been week-end Alcoholics for many years and it has never seemed to affect their work life, etc. However one drowned while fishing drunk and two others have major health problems.

Health problems could be an issue here. Careless is another. I know usually when he smokes, he just goes straight to bed. I think he uses it almost as a wind down from a hectic day.

Has anyone ever heard of someone OD from pot? I mean regular pot?

I think everyone reacts differently from it, I've seen some be complete idiots and irresponsible while they are high and have seen other lead completely successful lives.
Bottom line though, it's still illegal. That's my issue more than anything.

But if it's not interfering with his responsibilities in life or your relationship, then it's up to you...

Never heard of anybody overdosing from it though.

all i can say is god made pot and man made beer........who do you trust?????

rebswar,

You sound like him! He says it's natural and comes right out of the ground. He's says the indians smoke tobacco and weed, they didn't label it differently, the politicians did.

God made the cocoa leaf, poppy plant and womens plumbing also. Sometimes even our higher power makes mistakes. To me, back in the day when I was playing, the THC level was around 20%, it's now upwards of 75%, and no longer as easy to just say I'm done. BBG, I think you need to take a deep look into yourself and figure out why you are attracted to guys with substance problems.

Shelby,

It's that damn co-dependency with me and trust me it's just not those with substance problems!!! *LOL*

I do not see any problem with pot, other than it is illegal. Shelby eluded to the fact that God makes Cocoa and poppies also. This is true. But, both of those things are chemically altered to attain the end product. Pot on the other hand is totally unaltered. I am not trying to start a debate here. But, I think you would be surprised if you knew how many people really smoke pot.

First it is illegal, and anything that can get you jammed up is a bad thing. Second most pot doesn’t come from your local neighborhood hippie grower anymore. It comes from Mexican drug cartels and the same chaps who bring ice into your homes and neighborhoods. Giving these people money for anything is morally speaking abhorrent.

However, I, years ago mind you, use to grow a lot of pot for my cancer and AIDS patients. If your boyfriend had these conditions or others which only pot will help, I say light er’ up.

Personally, I think it stinks and all it ever did for me is make me vomit and think people were in the bushes outside my window. Besides that it is a monumental waste of money, which he could be spending on you instead:rolleyes:

Yes, it is a bad thing.. it is a drug.. no better than anything else in my books... plus I have seen many people who start out smoking pot then it leads into other drugs for them...

I don't think pot is a bad thing but like anything, you can abuse it. Sounds like this man is not out running amok or getting into trouble. Some people have a few cocktails to unwind after work, he smokes a joint. As long as he doesn't let it interfere with the rest of his life I don't think it's a big deal but it is illegal so you need to decide if you want to be around something that could land you in jail.

Smoking pot, recreationally (and definitely for medical reasons) is probably okay. The only thing is, where you get the pot, there are probably other drugs available too...and all of them are illegal. Until it is legalized for all usage, you have to face the fact you possibly could get caught. Who wants to go to jail for a joint or two in the evening after work...if the police ride up just as you are getting your little stash?

OK to me weed is ok... it is made out of the earth and natural.. but the chemicals they spray on it isnt... Yes weed is an addiction, just like drinking, just like sex, just like pretty much everything you do to excess is an addiction.. I just came out of a program for drugs so thats really not a issue for me.. However if i were still a addict i would chose smoking over anything out there...... Drinking is why my ole man is facing prison time... not weed....

it is a good thing. Better than alcohol for you, thats for sure. American drug policy is stupid. Do the research.

If your body is exposed to 420 chemicals when you smoke marijuana, how is that better for you than alcohol? Marijuana today is at least ten times stronger than it was in the 60's and 70's, and it does tremendous damage to the lungs with constant use, more than tobacco does. Anything to excess is bad for the body, whether it be caffeine, nicotine, marijuana, or alcohol, or even too much of the wrong food...there is the key>>> Anything to excess; is not good.

keytwo..what exactly are u talking about... i am kinda confused...

Gotta be honest here. After living with an addict whose drug of choice was everything except for weed. I don't see smoking weed on occassion a bad thing.

Everything is bad when done in excess!

Moderation is the key.

So if this guy wants to get a few hits every week, I think I can live with that. Most importantly, he doesn't ever do it in front of me, after knowing what I just came out of. Now that's RESPECT!!!

Everything is bad when overdone, yes. And I have a nutty little theory of my own that says that the more processed a substance becomes (coca leaf to powder to crack, for example) the more harmful.
With the airwaves full of commercials for Ambien and Zanax and a gaqjillion other LEGAL chemicals, I don't think it's the government's or anybody's business if somebody likes to take a few tokes here and there. (Which by the way also relates to the question of increased potency. More powerful grass yes, but sensible people don't pig out on it)

American policy allows deadly drugs to be legalized through the FDA because drug and tobacco companies pay good lobbying money. Marijuana has not caused any deaths. Countries where drugs are legalized has less crime. American policy creates higher prices for drugs and over crowds our prisons unnecessarily.

Being a former child of the 60's I have to say it pot was legal I would use it. People do abuse pot and if they didn't have pot they would abuse something else because that is what they are. I don't abuse alcohol but I do drink, I would not abuse pot but if legal I would use it.

As a teenager of the 70's I have to chime in here and say that I too see absolutely nothing wrong w/casual use of pot. I'm not talking about it being the main driving force of your day, but taking a toke or two or even three in the evenings is not tantamount to being a pot head.
I have seen both sides of the fence where a friend could not smoke occasionally without having to do every drug she could get her hands on. She was the proverbial, one is too many, 10 is not enough. I have other friends that are like your friend, they are an occasional user, they hold down a job, pay their bills, own homes, etc, etc....Everything a citizen is supposed to do except for the fact that they get high every now and then.
I personally would much rather smoke than drink. I don't have any statistics, but I would like to know what they are when you look at the number of people arrested for DUI. Are the numbers higher for alcohol or marijuana. I know if I was a gambling person, I'd say the numbers would be higher for alcohol.
Anyway, sounds like he is an okay guy to me. JMO

I've seen crackheads steal
I've seen drunks beat the crap outta people for almost nothin
I've seen heroin addicts cravings

pot smokers I have seen have never done anything but tell stupid jokes laugh their butts off and eat till they can burst


saying it's illegal is just silly in my mind to use as any reasoning

alcohol was too but eventually became available and has caused a lotta deaths since then and too many other issues to mention but since it is legal not everyone has a problem now consuming too much

someone who hits a joint a few times a week or day and can still carry on and do good should be left out of the concern for our society's demise

So tell me how many of you think smoking pot is a bad thing?

Bishop Supreme Sam Putney has coined the term "GOOD or GOODIE" when "refer"ring to pot. :p

So if it is good to the Bishop it is good to me. :thumbsup:

As a teenager of the 70's I have to chime in here and say that I too see absolutely nothing wrong w/casual use of pot. I'm not talking about it being the main driving force of your day, but taking a toke or two or even three in the evenings is not tantamount to being a pot head.
I have seen both sides of the fence where a friend could not smoke occasionally without having to do every drug she could get her hands on. She was the proverbial, one is too many, 10 is not enough. I have other friends that are like your friend, they are an occasional user, they hold down a job, pay their bills, own homes, etc, etc....Everything a citizen is supposed to do except for the fact that they get high every now and then.
I personally would much rather smoke than drink. I don't have any statistics, but I would like to know what they are when you look at the number of people arrested for DUI. Are the numbers higher for alcohol or marijuana. I know if I was a gambling person, I'd say the numbers would be higher for alcohol.
Anyway, sounds like he is an okay guy to me. JMO

Les, I totally agree with you here. In my opinion, marijuana should be legalized. Will it happen? I used to think so, and perhaps it will be soon. As long as you are not using it constantly, like chain smoking cigarettes, I see nothing wrong with it. It has benefited many medically as well. This is what I meant above by using it to excess...but your normal every day working person who occassionally takes a toke or two or three is okay in my opinion.

Never heard of any one waking up with a hangover or withdrawals from smoking pot.

Just my opionion

LOL, true Billy'sBabyGirl....me either( at least not yet)..maybe the munchies?

Pot is different than it was 30 years ago. And so is Coke, and shit crack didn't even really exists back then. But Pot is still the safest thing out there.

And it used to just make me tired as hell. All my friends would get the munchies and I would just want to go to sleep. Maybe that's why I never did it for any long period. Who wants to go to sleep when there's a party going on?

Pot is different than it was 30 years ago. And so is Coke, and shit crack didn't even really exists back then. But Pot is still the safest thing out there.

And it used to just make me tired as hell. All my friends would get the munchies and I would just want to go to sleep. Maybe that's why I never did it for any long period. Who wants to go to sleep when there's a party going on?

This thread is taking me back, way back, to better and bygone days. I did have some good ol' high times. :D

Carefree summer days of riding around with my friends, going to different parties, meeting good looking suntanned boys, smoking good 'ol kickass mexican dirt weed. Listening to Led Zeppelin, Nazareth, Boston, Foreigner, Queen, Foghat, I could go on and on........Those were the days.:p

I love Queen ! LOL

Nothing wrong with weed, I'm sure some day it will be legalized.

Many of you here know my ex-boyfriend is an addict. His drug of choice, whatever he can get his hands on, except weed. I have never seen him smoke pot.

I recently met this new guy, who's only drug of choice is pot. He doesn't drink, doesn't do pills, has a good job, pays his bills on time, goes to work everyday.

So tell me how many of you think smoking pot is a bad thing? my drug of choice is weed. i am also bi polar and marijuana and lithium are the only drugs that help. in calif. prescriptions are available and that helps get around the law but possession in CA is a fine.(no jail time) over the years i have used many drugs and pot was not a contributing factor in my incarceration. as a matter of fact.....if i had limited my drug use to only weed i would have been fine. alocohol and speed were my downfalls. im all for the decriminalization of marijuana.

I've seen alot of people who smoke pot and to be honest with you I'd much rather be around a 'pot-head' than a drunk anyday! Most people who drink get mouthy and want to fight, people who smoke pot are just the opposite. You hear about drunk drivers killing people everyday. When I was a senior in high school I smoked pot everyday! I graduated with a 3.3 GPA, got a scholorship, and was working two jobs! I quit smoking pot and a few years later I started having signs of congestive heart failure and had to be put on a medicine to slow my heart down, I should have stuck with the pot. The medicine I'm on states that if you stop taking it all at once puts you at high risk for a heart attack.......GREAT! I didn't have to worry about that before either! But that pill is legal......if thats what you want to call it!

I don't smoke anything--quit tobacco in 1985 and my two or three exposures to "weed" were some time before that (and yes, I did inhale). I really think it's all a matter of moderation. Someone who has a beer on a hot afternoon is just relaxing. Someone like me who has that beer and proceeds to empty a case has a problem (mind, I speak from the point of view of having been sober for some time).

I've known more than one person who has a "secret garden" and indulges periodically. I see nothing wrong with it. One helped a friend who had major nausea from chemotherapy and I am eternally grateful to her. If someone wants to have a smoke or two just as someone else might have a beer or two, I truly have no quarrel with them (our government, alas, is not so understanding). If all they did was lay around all day smoking with (insert weird rock band of your choice here) on headphones, I'd say they had a problem.

As an alcoholic, I've spent my share of time visiting detox centers, first as a client, later to talk with clients and hopefully brighten their day a bit. I've seen some people in pretty rough shape. But not one of them was there as the result of smoking marijuana.

In a nation which to my knowledge still subsidizes the growing of tobacco, it seems to me that there is no more reason for outlawing marijuana than there would be for placing restrictions on the sale of anything containing caffeine.

Oh, there's a reason. They can't profit from secret gardens the way they can from Xanax and Ambien. (You didn't say anything about a GOOD reason.)

A very good point. Though if marijuana was commercially packaged and sold legally, I imagine everyone could tax the hell out of it as they do everything else. A number of states over the years HAVE issued marijuana tax stamps, mainly so that they could charge those found in possession of "the dope" with tax evasion. My understanding is that they have found quite a following among stamp collectors.

all i can say is god made pot and man made beer........who do you trust?????
GOD ALSO MADE POISON.

POISON-POT THEY BOTH FOUL UP YOUR LIFE.

GOD ALSO MADE POISON.

POISON-POT THEY BOTH FOUL UP YOUR LIFE.

I don't think anybody here is trying to say that pot does not have the potential to lead to problems. The vast majority who have posted in this thread seem to believe that moderation is the key, as it is in all things.

Pot, as ANY other substance that is abused can foul up a life.

Okay, if smoking pot was such a bad thing than why was it legal back in the early days? The only reason politicians made it illegal is becasue they cant put a tax on it, like they can everything else. If you cant tax it than its illegal.

God also made clouds and rainbows and rain and stars and the moon and our capacity to love and geez you would think I had been smoking it.LMAO

Just for the record so no one gets on their high horse. I absolutely do not smoke pot nor do I encourage it's use as long as it is an illegal substance. The above was said in jest!

Marijuana was prohibited in the 1920 's. If you are going back to earlier days before that, its because science had not studied it , nor had the government gotten actively involved.....yet. Sure they want their cut too I am afraid, which has been mentioned here also. Again, I will say that any drug to excess is what causes problems.... and that includes presciption drugs as well!!

I think anytime people use anything- WHATEVER, could be shopping trips- to medicate emotional/spiritual pain on a long term basis, they are headed for trouble. The pain is there for a reason, to be faced and dealt with.

I used to smoke that stuff for years. I couldn't go thru the day without it. I would get up in the morning get high, drive myself to work and about 3 hrs into the shift i was ready for ym lunch break so i could get high and then back to work and as soon as i am leavin work i am getting high again. then once i got home i would get high before i ate dinner and before i went to sleep. It was a a daily rountine 4 me. and if i didnt have any I would be so mad and frustrated. I did this for like 5 years and finally i got pulled over and went to jail for possession, and i realized my problem sitting in jail for all those months. When i got out i didn't smoke the stuff and i still haven't so i have been clean since 2001. I may ge the urge but i go without it. One of my freinds get high and she does it all day and her life is nothing but smoking yea she has a job, but after work she just wants to get high. She never wants to do anything so that bothers me. So i have ended my friendship with her cause i feel I can not be around someone that just does that all day. Besides i know the consequences. I don't think it is wrong but maybe people should do it in moderation. I never knew how many professionals smoked the stuff!!

Again, Moderation is the key here. My ex-husband does not smoke weed in moderation. And yes he found out the consequences yesterday when he lost job.

The new guy does it in moderation.

As long as we are talking what was legal and what isn't anymore... Cocaine used to be in Coca Cola, and my mom can remember doctors giving it to her back in the 30's. We all know how addictive that can be.

So again, how bad is weed? The government can't tax it. Which makes it bad, you lose brain cells, which makes it bad. But for every minute of stress you loose 5 minutes of your memory.

Again, MODERATION!

I live in Oregon, where almost anyone over the age of 18 can apply for a medical use marijuana permit. Here, weed is very much a part of the culture and is looked at more like alcohol. Even if you do not have a card, so many people use it, under an ounce is a misdemeanor. Cops will usually let you keep your pipe and weed if they catch you and you don't have a card.

So, my own personal opinion is it is fine if you a grown adult and use responsibly. My opinion on alcohol is that it is 10 times worse than weed. Think about our society and what would happen if all the alcoholics started smoking weed. we would have so much less violence, especially less car accidents.

my problem with it is that out of all the smoker's i know everyone of them at some time went on to do other drugs, then for one reason or another came back to only smoking weed..

I've never seen a single person that started smoking weed and NEVER used and other type drug...

Like i said, i know many that started smoking, ended up using other drugs and came back to ONLY smoking weed...i think the whole Gate-way drug thing is true...

I however wish it was legal, and if it was, i'd be a smoker!!!

Alcohol is legal yet it kills you and ruins families, cigarrettes are legal yet they kill you, weed smoking not legal ,yet its harmless, more harmless then coffee. I know many functioning weed smokers. I see nothing wrong with it. All the weed smokers i know have good jobs making good money, are great parents, and really down to earth.

I used to smoke pot, but I was unable to function "normally" in my opinon so I quit. But I dont think its harmful, some people I know being diagnosed with ADD or ADHD actually function better because it calms them down to where a "normal" person would be. I would say I worry that it may lead to using other drugs, but Im not sure about that because some people choose to go to other drugs and others dont. But like said before some people would be shocked to really know how many around us do smoke pot.

i think it is helpful to people who would otherwise be taking pain meds. that is why they have the law in Oregon, so people can use it as a natural muscle relaxer. it also helps with appetite when people are suffering from nasaeu from other meds.

BUT I do agree that getting high and also the part of having to purchase the weed and be around other people that smoke it can lead to harder drugs. Like a lot of things- some can do it moderation and others aren't able to function. I think it;s just sad and wrong that people go to prison over having their own personal stash.

I totally agree. I also think it's only bad for someone who does it everyday all day long and they live paycheck to paycheck for it. I know because I use to be that way. I still smoke occasionally but it's very rare. The only thing it leads to is the munchies not other drugs.. People lead people to other drugs.

That is exactly why they don't legalize it but if they were smart enough they would do it like they do tobacco.

I beleive they should make alcohol illegal because it kills more people then weed does... How many cases of death or accidents do you hear about someone smoking a joint and driving?? Now how many from alcohol?? Enough said??? I think so.

I don't think anybody here is trying to say that pot does not have the potential to lead to problems. The vast majority who have posted in this thread seem to believe that moderation is the key, as it is in all things.

Pot, as ANY other substance that is abused can foul up a life.

Exactly! I couldn't have said it better myself.

Weed should be legal in my opinion. Tax the crap out of it & get rid of the dealers so our kids don't get started on it or other drugs. I have smoked it for 20 years now w/no problems. I go to work faithfully & pay my bills faithfully. Its all about priorities. I would like to call myself a recreational user, but after 20 years that would be a lie. Did it lead me to other drugs over the years - NO!!! People led me to the other stuff which destroyed me at one time in my life. Alcohol is far worse.......

I have personally never used it. Fiance said he never has either..but don't really believe much of what he says...

I wouldn't do it because it's illegal. if it was legal, I'd definitely try it!
My fiance is an alcoholic, and abusing that IS legal, as long as you don't drive...Makes me wish pot was his vice instead...then he would have been home, stoned, and eating cheetos, instead of rip-roaring drunk, and out tearing up golf courses and public statues....

I think people really overlook the damage that weed/pot can do, as so often it gets considered as not being a 'bad' or serious drug, just a casual thing. I really disagree. I think that this very fact makes it potentially a lot more damaging.

Weed works in a more subtle way and so the users don't always notice the negative impact it's having on their lives, or at least not until 5/10/15 years of their life has been wasted.

I know quite a few people that smoke weed, but I'm primarily thinking of an ex boyfriend whose motivation for life (ie. just getting up and doing things, making plans, going out etc) just the ability of being able to enjoy things lessened and lessened. It gets to where weed is the thing you most look foward to, and at the end of the day other things don't really matter. The other main problem with it is that it causes paranoia. This is gradual aswell, but can get to the stage, as with my ex, where you just have a negative/pessimistic take on everything, like a general background paranoia about everything.
Having a joint on a Saturday night, or at a party or something is no big deal, but I think if it becomes a regular thing - a habit- then it's not a positive thing. This is only my opinion obviously, but it's based on a fair bit of experience. :)

I have never used but my ex did and I have to say yeah he was mellow, quiet and not violent when high but he was also at some points so flipping spacey that he had issues talking to me thats a problem. At least to me. As far as the rest of the population whatever floats your boat its just not my thing...

Yes, it is a bad thing.. it is a drug.. no better than anything else in my books... plus I have seen many people who start out smoking pot then it leads into other drugs for them...

coming from a former inmate free now after almost 8 yrs. seen weed inside day in day out and out in the street i am still seeing it i say YES bad, badbad. i am not trying to even use any drugs and that IS a drug.

like a close lady tell me all the time A CLEAR MIND IS A FOCUS MIND..
A CLEAN BODY IS THE BEST BODY....

i am staying CLEAN NOW and forever.:thumbsup: ( the best way to be!)

yes it is a bad thing and pot is the " gateway" drug remember?? it leads to harder drugs eventually!!!

Just a rhetorical question: if marijuana "leads to harder stuff", why is it that caffeine, tobacco, and alcohol do not?

For the record, I find the drug culture deeply troubling, but the drug trafficking and attendant crime we have now is virtually identical to that experience by the United States during Prohibition. In fact, plenty of folks turned to (then-legal) marijuana as an alternative to illegal alcohol during that period.

My ex boyfriend was also very sucessful, and yes he liked his pot. He was great at his job and had a clear head every morning. At night, he did his little wind down, but it was in small amounts, kind of like having a drink, not ten of them. He was sensible and fun, and we had alot of fun when he smoked. I never needed to smoke, as the air got me silly. I drink wine, and I think, id rather burn pot like one does insence:D. Wine can be wonderful, but very dangerous if one has too much. The next day one says to self, did self really do that??? Alcohol versus pot? Hmmmmmmmmm...........
Alcohol causes alot of people to become aggresive and violent, but pot causes most to become calm and at worst very silly. I dont smoke pot, but I wish it were legal to do so.

When my children were growing up I did my best to make sure they weren't doing drugs but they did it behind my back, still do today I'm sure of it. They have seen their troubles with the law over DWI's and a couple have been busted for a joint or 2. But I'd vote to let them smoke their pot instead of tippin the bottle because they have got into alot less trouble being stoned. Those boys of mine get to drinking and even I'm scared because they don't think or believe they are bulletproof. Smoking they just all sort of set around laughing and eventually eat everything put in front of them and fall asleep. I guess none of it is right but I believe pot to be the lesser evil where my family is involved.

Burdened and many others - I am 100% with you. I know many very successful people personally who smoke quite regularily. Alcohol has far greater side effects.

And pot isn't a gateway drug. There are MANY MANY of us out there who believe that ANYTHING chemical is a 100% NO NO. Many smoke pot and NEVER do anything else.

Used to smoke pot.. ALOT. It is a bad drug. It has many more "effects" than people would like to beleive.

I used to smoke pot to and I don't believe it always has negative side effects - I graduated high school and got a college degree while smoking pot. I also do not believe it is a guarenteed gateway drug - for some, maybe, but not in everyone. I have seen a lot more pain and hurt come from alcohol than pot. My personal opinion - as long as you are in the comfort of your own home and not hurting yourself or anyone else - it's no one's business what you choose to do to relax.

I don't do it myself but my husband did and I think it is and adult's own decision.
It certainly should be controlled and away from children though.

I hear ya, theres always a great debate about 'pot'. I remember everyone having heartattacks over it when our men were coming home from Vietnam and still are today. I believe if the goverment had a way to get the market on it and was able to apply taxes they would make it legal today. As you know it is legal in some states today for medical reasons. With the way the world is changing today I honestly believe that my children will see it become legal before they die because eventually the goverment will figure out they can make money off it and too many people believe its okay now. I never said its right in my post, I just voted yes to it instead of my family out drinking, driving and becoming bulletproof when confronted by the police. My kids believe they have me snowballed into believing they have sinus problems and thats why their eyes are red from time to time but I know. I'd rather see then laughing and getting along rather then out causing chaos because they had too much whiskey.

i smoke pot, and i work full time at a very good job , i raise 3 kids, new car and house. i do not believe it is bad for anyone. it is not a gateway drug !!! some may use that excuse but in all reality pot is pot. if you choose to move on to harder things then that is what u do it has nothing to do with smoking weed.

Since I'm a recovering addict, pot is an absolute no-no for me. If I had to say which I have seen do more harm, pot or alcohol, I would say absolutely alcohol. I've got a live and let live attitude towards others use of any substance, as long as it doesn't directly affect me. I went down the road too far to ever be able to stand in judgment of others. I did have one terrible experience with the effects of pot. I was a corporate trainer in a large manufacturing company. The night shift had a habit of slipping out the back door to smoke pot on their meal break and management was turning a blind eye, because these guys got their job done. One night one of them got their sleeve caught in some heavy equipment and the others had a very slow response time. The man lost his arm. People from other parts of the building, who were not high, reacted more quickly and saved his life, but not the arm. I do think that reaction time is really affected and that in times of emergency, while driving for example, those slowed reflexes can cause major problems.

Well sounds like your guy shopping and you hope hes just smoking weed, man you should be looking for a guy who dosent do anything at all, well if he just smokes weed thats cool ,but weed still is against the law you know??? thats what got me in this dang perdickerment!!!

Alcohol fucks up many lives, at least from what I have seen. I plan on never touching a drop again. Pot on the other hand, is just wonderful. The only problem I have with it is that it is illegal. Maybe it's time to move to Amsterdam. Haha.

I think for most people pot is OK but for me it was poison. I smoked daily too much for too many years. It had a controlling affect on me like no other drug. I was able to give all other drugs including alcohol with no problem. The day I gave up smoking weed 5 years ago was like 9 11 and pearl harbor all in one. It's a day that I will never forget because I had smoked daily for over 25 years. Also I would like to mention that high grade weed is more addictive than regular pot. It started with Columbian gold and Tai weed in the 70s. In the eighties it was skunk and northern lights and in the 90s it was the hydro which comes in many flavors.

I still have dreams but the craving is over and done with. I call it my 25 year mistake

Having said all this I still believe weed should be legal

Many of you here know my ex-boyfriend is an addict. His drug of choice, whatever he can get his hands on, except weed. I have never seen him smoke pot.

I recently met this new guy, who's only drug of choice is pot. He doesn't drink, doesn't do pills, has a good job, pays his bills on time, goes to work everyday.

So tell me how many of you think smoking pot is a bad thing?

Well, it depends on how much, for me. I dated a guy who liked to smoke a little each evening. Not a big deal to me if he's responsible in all areas of his life and it doesn't turn him into a couch potato.

I like to have one alcoholic beverage in the evening to wind down.

But if it's affecting his motivation, memory, he never wants to go out and do anything, would rather stay in and smoke....I wouldn't like that.

For me it is not something that I do, nor would date anyone who does it.
JMHO

I think it is bad for homeland security

If it's bad for Homeland Security, it's good for the United States.

I can really identify with what Packman said. In my case, the drug involved was alcohol. Messed me up pretty good for a while. Fortunately, I was able to get away from it and believe my life to be far better for it. But there's no way I'd advocate further restrictions on the sale of alcohol.

No I dont think weed is a terrible thing. I personally do not like it. I dont do it, but my boyfriend does. In Detroit, they dont really enforce laws on small amounts: personal supply. I personally know my boyfriend has gotten stopped and the police would take his weed and his money and let him go. Yeah, its a MESS.

I personally know my boyfriend has gotten stopped and the police would take his weed and his money and let him go. Yeah, its a MESS.

WOW! I can half way understand not bringing charges for a small amount of drugs (I'm sure most people would appreciate that) and maybe I can see not letting them go on their way with the drugs. BUT what happens to the drugs when they are taken. AND taking money without bringing charges....oh my! What happens to that money? Is it just pure corruption and the police are just helping themselves to what ever they want? That is very scarey to me!

Myself, I started smoking again not long after my husband returned to prison. I guess I could rush out to the doctor and get some depression drugs but instead I decided to just mellow out with some smoke. To each their own I say but I'd rather set around smiling then get drunk and make a total azz of myself. I figure what the heck, no one cares what I do anyway.

haha Dave Moff, good one. I agree!

I'm against all drugs when used illegally or abused.

If it's bad for Homeland Security, it's good for the United States.

I can really identify with what Packman said. In my case, the drug involved was alcohol. Messed me up pretty good for a while. Fortunately, I was able to get away from it and believe my life to be far better for it. But there's no way I'd advocate further restrictions on the sale of alcohol.

I cannot say this any better. Ditto!

Patti

they say you cant get hooked on pot.
but after smoking for the oast 6 years
& having to quit due to probation=drug test

ive noticed a lack in everything.
nothing is "fun" anymore.
i dont have the energy to go & hang with friends.
might i add im bipolar & that was how i chose to self medicate

ive realized i cant do that anymore.
i will be seeing a doctor & be put on meds.

as much as i miss pot i know it held me down
i dropped out of school in the 10th grade.
since ive gotten my ged.
but it saddens me to know i let me dreams go

i still wish i could smoke & ive thought about what to do when i get off of probation (in 3-6 months) after going w/o it that long id like to stay away but my friends all smoke. so i guess its a matter of what means more to you. being with a bunch of dopeheads or moving on with your life & becoming somebody :)

"Amotivational Syndrome" was hypothesized as a long term effect of marijuana use -- that is, it was supposed to be an effect which occured among people who smoke pot, not when they were stoned, but all the time.

...Slikker, Paule, et al. set out to find the effects of marijuana smoke on the brain, memory, learning, and motivation. They found that monkees who smoked even just on weekends did not develop normal clinical motivation -- defined by the willingness to work for reward. The studies concentrated on adolescense specifically for this reason, and were extremely well controlled.
Does this mean that kids who smoke marijuana are lazy? Probably not. Rhesus monkees are very similar to humans, though, and it is very likely, especially given the previous empirical evidence, that smoking marijuana during adolescense will temporarily impair specific types of motivational development. The effect is permanantly reversible and normal motivational development can be obtained by a 3-12 month period of abstinance (in monkeys -- no time period for humans is available.)

...Among the other things Slikker found which we can be very excited about was no brain or cellular damage, an actual stimulation of brain cell development by marijuana smoking (which would fit with the current knowlege of increased alpha wave activity and blood flow while stoned), no permanant effects on memory or mental capacity, and lots of good reasons why marijuana should be more thoroughly researched rather than feared.

...read the study -- it is very useful.

anything unnatural is harmful to your body.and weed is unnatural.i struggle with it everyday but i could be struggling with worse-i take it a day at a time.

My son is in prison due to drugs, pot is illegal here and he didn't do well with pot or anything else so I would say no. But then I am totally against drugs period. Even legal ones when they are abused.
Have a dear friend going through this now and there is no hope. One day he will not wake up. Hate to say it but look at Ann Nicole Smith and her son and all the others. They did not overdose on methadone alone. Don't mean to offend anyone but if they can't give up pot and are in prison then I personally don't see a lot of chance for them when they are out. You have to learn to live life and being chemed up does not get it unless you have to have it for medical purposes. I refuse to make excuses for my son. He is living drug free now and it will be up to him where his freedom means enough to him to do it out.

I think its a bad thing

to each its own if ya like to blaze or not...

Marihuana I think is no different than alcohol, it is a mind, or mood altering substance. It does not give most a hangover like alcohol, and I'm of the persausion that it should be taxed and sold like alcohol.. Tobacco, and alcohol have caused more grief than the weed ever has.

I myself do not mess with any drugs or alcohol. I feel it is to each's own, just as long as you "DO NOT" bring it to my "HOME" or do it around my "CHILDREN". What ever floats "YOUR BOAT"!!!

it is still addiction ...how many "normies" have a "drug of choice"???

Just say NO!!!!!

Marihuana I think is no different than alcohol, it is a mind, or mood altering substance. It does not give most a hangover like alcohol, and I'm of the persausion that it should be taxed and sold like alcohol.. Tobacco, and alcohol have caused more grief than the weed ever has.

No one has ever died of a marijuana overdose, either.

Did it lead me to other drugs over the years - NO!!! People led me to the other stuff which destroyed me at one time in my life. Alcohol is far worse.......

Cop out and you know it~~~~~

You did what you did to destroy your own life...

Taking responsibility is the first step...

Lexi74

I don't like the way pot makes me feel, so I don't bother with it anymore. I used to try to like it when I was in high school because I wanted to fit in...:rolleyes:

My fiance doesn't like it either. It makes him paranoid, as it does me.

Each of the two times we have smoked it together, we have come to the same conclusions:

•it makes us think we have a flat tire, thusly making us pull over on the side of the road to check, and recheck - run around the car a few times checking... checking... driving 2 more miles... OMG do you think we have a flat tire? Do you hear that? Checking...

Not worth that. OMG SO ANNOYING. It took us 2 hours to go 45 miles down the road. LOL

•we get more irritable, and argue more. Over dumb shit.

So, do I think pot is bad?

No. Not in and of itself. I truly believe that it depends on the person and what their objectives in life are. If someone smokes up a little, doesn't do any other drugs, doesn't expose their children to it, pays their bills, leads a productive life... then what harm (aside from short term memory loss and lung damage) can it really do?

Just my:twocents:

I feel that anything, when abused, is bad. When a substance becomes the center of someone's life, then there's a problem, even if that substance is legal, i.e. - alcohol.

I feel that anything, when abused, is bad. When a substance becomes the center of someone's life, then there's a problem, even if that substance is legal, i.e. - alcohol.
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Well said. Obsessions are what do people in, whether it is a drug or the need to control other people or a heavy gambling thing or what EVER. And the current Corporate State of Affairs feeds off of people's obsessions.
Personally I enjoy the sensation of a little THC, but you cracked me up with that tire changing bit:)

I feel that anything, when abused, is bad. When a substance becomes the center of someone's life, then there's a problem, even if that substance is legal, i.e. - alcohol.
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Well said. Obsessions are what do people in, whether it is a drug or the need to control other people or a heavy gambling thing or what EVER. And the current Corporate State of Affairs feeds off of people's obsessions.
Personally I enjoy the sensation of a little THC, but you cracked me up with that tire changing bit:)


ohhh if you could have only seen it. It was like any time we'd hear a sound, automatically we thought it was a flat. So out one of us would go to check and recheck and recheck.

I bet if someone else saw it, they would have thought we were playing a game or something. lol:p

Being an old flower child, hippie, teen of the early 70s ~ yeah, I'm old ~ I would have said smoking pot is no big deal a few years ago. It grew wild where I lived and I used to play in marijuana fields when I was a kid, before I knew what it was. I was even waiting for it to become medicinally legal to help me with chronic migraines since nothing else but unconciousness seems to help the pain.

But not any more. Not since going through my son's drug addiction and incarceration. How pot was the first drug, but not the last drug, he tried. How it started his downward spiral and connected him to people who had access to far worse. Not since realizing the manner in which it comes into our country, the other crimes that go with it ~ murder, guns, cutting it with other really bad drugs, etc.

The way the drug world is right now ~ it is a bad thing. No one knows if they will be the addict ~ if pot is just the first step of many. No one knows if they will be the one that has to go a little further, has to try something else. And if we buy it and smoke it, then who and what are we supporting?

I have learned to hate drugs ~ all of them. Even prescription drugs. Even the ones I have to take to function and survive. I know that makes me a hipocrit and I hate that too. The fact that I have to depend on them irks me to no end. The difference is I could stop them at anytime without withdrawal problems, but I would probably drop dead.

Okay, off the soap box now. I hate drugs ~ they have destroyed so many people, many whom I love.

And yep, back in the day I toked a few. Hippocrit, I know.

all i can say is god made pot and man made beer........who do you trust?????

Amen!! :thumbsup:

Everyone has their weapon of choice. EVERYONE has an addiction. This can be debated all day. See, where my problem stands with drugs is.. what the drugs make you do. Narcotics have you doing all types of things because your really not yourself. Marijuana,pure marijuana will only have you stuck in one place with the munchies. Marijuana I see is harmless. Asprins are harmless too, but if you take 13 of them, that will be the last headache you will ever have:D

Haswtch,
From one journo to another, you're my kinda woman!

Asides aside, I know people who go chronic, and can't get through the day without a puff or four. I know, I used to be that chick. It didn't help that I had the bomb hookups and my bf was the local dopeman.

However, after realizing I was dreaming my life away I kicked that habit, and delved into what was causing me to abuse pot. It wasn't easy and there are days I would kill for a joint, but there's no damn way I'm letting some dried up plant parts control my life anymore. ;)

All to say, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with marijuana. You just gotta know how to handle your business...

Passionately against it. Like Briansma I have seen the effects of drugs on friends and loved ones and I hate it. You can't predict how it will affect you until it has, the growing and selling of it is exploitative and people being people the greed will always win.

Even those of us who don't want it in our lives are affected by it. Unless you are a hermit you are going to have to deal with drug takers and the consequences of their actions while under the influence such as dangerous driving or careless pedestrians. How many steal to get money to buy drugs? I could go on, I ain't a scientist or a statistician so I don't know what the exact effects are on the brain and nervous system or how many $ are spent on rehab, public works, insurance etc or how many accidents are caused through drug users but my gut feeling says it is bad for you, bad for the environment, bad for the economy and bad for children who have to depend on drug addicted parents.

Morina

Beware of what might be mixed with the pot. My cousin was a dealer. I say was because he is locked up for attempted murder. He was lacing his drugs with other stuff. He would sneak much more addictive drugs into a less addictive drug to increase his client base. A guy almost overdosed because he dipped his weed in embalming fluid and somthing else ( not sure) the guy's girl was able to show the police where he purchased the drugs from and wham.

One more thing that would disappear if marijuana were legalized and produced to FDA standards.

I hate any kind of DRUGS, People just don't realize it goes to something bigger. I would say our Prison are over flowing because of crime commited by Drug use. They need help. But they want get it. So they do it over and over. How sad on familys and the person who does this.
They have to want it for their self.

well from where i sit,he could be doing worse.

As far as pot goes, I've also heard that the THC level is much higher now, but I don't know how that actually happened. Is it like the days of the paraquat scare? Do the Mexican drug cartels treat it or dust it or something? How do they make it stronger? Also, I think it's interesting to consider other factors, such as the developmental age of the smoker and genetic factors, such as inheritance of a sensitivity to dopamine, in relation to whether pot smoking becomes an addiction or not. My youngest son seems to be addicted to pot, whereas my older sons have both used it experimentally before and they don't seem to have all the problems the youngest son has.

Anybody aware of the addiction science related to today's form of marijuana?

As I understand it, the THC content of marijuana has gone up steadily. This is due to people breeding "more powerful" plants, using better growing methods and fertilizers, etc.

Marijuana is now the largest cash crop in the United States--there's plenty of incentive for people to try to produce a better product, just like any other farmer.

I don't know of anyone who has become addicted to marijuana itself, but have known many who have relapsed into other addictions after deciding that a little marijuana now and then was "safe" (rather like trying a cigarette "now and then" after quitting, I suppose).

Personally I would rather be around someone or even ride in a car with someone who is high from smoking weed than someone who is drinking. After all you hear of all these drunk driving accidents...how many of them read "under the influnece of pot?" Never seen it! Hope this doesnt offend anyone but I would rather be a pot head than a drunk!

I am in my mid-50's. I have never thought smoking pot was a bad thing. In fact, I smoked it occasionally all the way through college and two levels of graduate school...over a twenty-five year period, with no ill effects. But I'm really confused about it the harmlessness of it now because my youngest son has been sentenced to 9-12 months in a drug treatment center over it, He started smoking pot with his friends in high school. In spite of being warned that he would be drug tested, he kept on smoking. Does that mean he's addicted? Maybe. Or maybe he's just daring and immature? I am concerned about the supposed harmlessness of pot also because some say it's sometimes dusted with other drugs, and some say it's much stronger now, and some say it all depends on the number and frequency of tokes, etc.

I've experienced some extremely strong pot in my lifetime and never became addicted. I just don't like to be TOO high very often. Got too much to do. A nice, little level of being high is just right...just before bed, or during live music festivals with friends.

Hello everyone!
I'm 52 years old and have been smoking pot since I was about 17. I'm a daily smoker and have two business that I own. One is an advertising company and the other is a hydroponics company. If you don't know what a hydroponice company is, well we supply the products to grow indoors. We don't sell anything illegal and this is a fast growing industry. I see nothing wrong with pot. It doesn't lead to stronger drugs as stated. Yes it is getting worse and not better. It's hard to find the really strong stuff anymore because of all the indoor growing going on now. I live in California by the way. People talk about all the money being spent on the drug wars, but if our goverment would allow pot to be legal a lot of the gang activity would go away, well maybe because of the bad drugs that would still be sold through the gangs. I'm talking about heron, coke & crank. Now there are some really bad drugs and yes they do wreck the lives of everyone involved with them. Both of my businesses are thriving and doing well. I work them both with over 30 empleyees between them. I would much rather be high on pot than any liquor or beer. I use to drink but not anymore.
Thank you for allowing my input here.

all i can say is god made pot and man made beer........who do you trust?????

Amen! My opinion on the pot issue is this.....It is the only "drug" that can be used in it's natural form. There is no "processing" involved. Just dry it, roll it up and smoke it. I do not use, but have in the past. There are more problems generated by alcohol than marijuana. And in my opinion pot should be legal and booze should be illegal. JMO.

A/The State's Attny in Vermont is trying to legalize pot. He believes prohibition doesn't work and because of all of the arrests, our prisons are overcrowded. Etc. etc.

Personally, I don't think I agree. Yes, prisons are overcrowded because of drugs, however I don't think it should be legalized. But, if it's legalized, perhaps there could be better monitoring and there could be some prevention in it being laced with other drugs.

I'm feeling rather wishy washy tonight and I can't seem to give solid examples. sorry.

I think its a personal choice... just like drinking.. or doing any other drug. Personally, I am an alcoholic and an addict.. I can't touch anything or all bets are off for me. My life goes places I am not willing to go.

Nancy

i know plenty of people who lead decent lives with great careers who smoke. pot. but up here in alaska it's legal. i will have to stop when my babe comes home, no pot in the house when he's on parole!

I Smoke Pot Everyday And Its The Only Thing That Eases Me. It Makes Me Decide Better And Everything Believe It Or Not. Sober I'd Probably Cry And Stress This Situation With My Fiance All Day. He Has Alittle Over 9yrs To Do Left. Thats Alot Of Pot Im Gonna Be Smoking! Lol

First of all... Tralynlee... what your cousin was selling was "Greens" or "Loveboat" I forget which one is mixed with PCP and the other embelming fluid. It wasn't straight weed.

I put this up here for a thought process.. BTW the friend who inspired this has stopped smoking pot... He said it just took him much longer to get the high he used to get.

I agree that if pot was legalized it would help with some of the drug war. But more so why are our loved one going to jail for possession of weed, coke, crack... if no crime has been committed than you would think this would be a "HEALTH CARE" situation, not a jailable offense... Now kept in mind if a crime has been committed then they should do the time.. But possession is not a crime, it is a disease, an addicition, just like our addictions to candy, soda, tv, cigerattes etc.... Our government needs to focus more on better health care programs instead of locking up for possession.

Do I think they should legalize weed... Absolutely... I would rather have my kids smoke a joint than the most addictive drug nicotine... Maybe you don't agree with this.. but that's okay.

Yes it's bad

heroine drug
coke crack etc
weed is all disgusting and bad for u,all are addictively wrong to do.

i am glad i am not messing with that crap no more,weed i did use few time in the past JUST TO ignore/hide/NOT DEAL with the pain, but i am better now wihtout that sh--t..
:) no more of that.

American policy allows deadly drugs to be legalized through the FDA because drug and tobacco companies pay good lobbying money. Marijuana has not caused any deaths. Countries where drugs are legalized has less crime. American policy creates higher prices for drugs and over crowds our prisons unnecessarily.


I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YA!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Addiction is addiction regardless of the drug used.!!

Addiction is addiction regardless of the drug used.!!

THIS IS TRUE...BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU USE A DRUG, THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE ADDICTED TO IT. I THINK MODERATION IS GOOD FOR THOSE WHO SIMPLY LOVE/LIKE TO SMOKE, OR DRINK.

Blah blah .....

How was cannabis used in Biblical times and lands?

Cannabis was used 12 ways: clothing, paper, cord, sails, fishnet, oil, sealant, incense, food, and in ceremony, relaxation and medicine. For so the Lord said unto me, "I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs. For afore harvest, when the bud is perfect and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks and take away and cut down the branches." (Isaiah 18:4-5)


AMEN>>>> Leteth us smoketh he he

True, as I'm finally coming to see the light on in recent days - an addiction is an addiction. However since I :hee: I have not yet come to grips yet that I may have to cut way back or possibly quit altogether for awhile if it means lessening the chance of my BF relapsing back to the sauce when he comes home and enters alcohol recovery.

Honestly, I'd rather quit alcohol. At least I never touched Meth (thank goodness).

Smoking cigarettes and pregnant? not healthy

Smoking pot and pregnant? see anything wrong with this picture?

Experience has taught me that anything the government approves is potentially unhealthy for you. Since the government demands to criminalize a natural substance (marijuana), there must be some advantages to the human body, mind and spirit. It is under 'control' simply because it has many constructive values in its use. The American government wishes to hold its citizens in a poisonous fog through alcohol, carcinogens in tobacco, so-called prescribed pills, fluoride in water and toothpastes, aspartame (DIE-t foods, drinks) which turns to formaldehyde at body temperature (Monsanto), ETC. Alcohol is FAR more damaging in excess and FAR more addictive! Smoking has many additives that are known to destroy the body. Drinking and driving not only kills many innocent people behind the wheel of any vehicle, it exacerbates negative emotions. Alcohol is a depressant. Marijuana has proven to heal. (Notice how marijuana uplifts the spirit? Anyone KNOWS that laughter is healing!) Anything in excess is damaging. The pharmaceutical corporations rake in the big bucks by blocking the legalization of a healthy joint or two (per day). --- Marijuana: Grown naturally for natural use. Question why it is prohibited???

Think about it. The use of marijuana would open the minds and souls of people. --- Tsk, tsk. The politicians and bankers would not want free thinkers seeing through their lies while laughing AT them. (What refreshing positive changes would be made in life and laws through the use of marijuana!!!) Drinking alcohol and smoking ourselves TO DEATH is EXACTLY what 'they' want. Don't believe for even one moment these rich elitists don't use weed without any cause for concern. THEY SURE DO! (All the while laughing at us.)

Research!

Legalize marijuana!!!

(Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!) --- ;)

the issue here is smoking pot , and smoking pot usually will lead you to try harder drugs..but my concern would be ..people who smoke pot, do other drugs are still not dealing with everyday stresses..they can function, but mentally they are not allowing the natural process of dealing with lifes issues cuz they are high.. i see no difference, many are still immature in thier thinking..

I don't think anybody here is trying to say that pot does not have the potential to lead to problems. The vast majority who have posted in this thread seem to believe that moderation is the key, as it is in all things.

agree. moderation with MOST things.

i have an attorney friend who fires up several times a week (excessive, but she's productive- own firm and all)... i have friends who smoke oh, every few weeks, i used to about once a month or so (seriously... used to) and i had a great state job, didn't call in sick (now i have own business- moved to a new town, so can't 'get' it anymore... but i would every now and then if i could.

never had an issue with it. friends either. we sit around, laugh, talk isht, chill, vibe to good music and eat.

speaking of food... smoking bad for your health??? ever read the labels on fast food? on most processed food? in twinkies? yeah, talk about a slow death.

everything the average person eats, the air we breathe, the carpet in our homes, synthetic matresses... is slowly killing us.

we gotta have a vice somewhere. and i thought i read somewhere that THC is not addictive.

my 2.

I think everybody is different. I know many people can smoke in moderation, but the majority of people I know are constantly worrying about running out and buying more. Which takes away from rent money, bills, and food.

There are some great benefits to weed. It's only when it starts to affect your life negatively that it becomes a issue. I felt like it was robbing me of my ambition. Making me feel lazier than normal and feel like doing the bare minimum of what I had to do. I felt I would have more success in life if I stopped so I did after 10 years. I feel really good now and more alive and energetic. I will always love that shit but for now I got to let it go!

My bf is a drug addict, he started out smoking pot again after he had been clean for a while, first it was just occasionally then it was more and more then it was everyday all day long, then it was back to the hard stuff. Even when he was just smoking pot he couldnt hold a job and he changed, became less open less happy less affectionate less interested less everything. I think that some are able to just do it occasionally and they can handle it. Addicts on the other hand cant, the search for the high takes over their entire life, even when he was just smoking pot, it was all he could think about, and all he wanted to do, started to forget about anything else and everything else wasnt fun anymore for him. I hate pot, I saw what the drug did do my bf's addicted mind, it led him in deeper and deeper, for me anyone who smokes pot is metaphorically standing on the lid of the toilet, I watched my bf flush himself down, the pot leading to coke, then to crack, then finally to trying heroin, after being clean over a year. Now he sits in jail. IDK Im probally biased, I think there are those that can handle it and those that cant. The question i always asked myself with my bf, was what was so horrible about the reality of his life that he wanted to be high all the time, he was living with me and we had a great relationship before he got back on all the drugs. I dont know its a hard question for me to answer, but I would be asking myself y your new man smokes it, usually getting high is a form of escape..

I hate any kind of DRUGS, People just don't realize it goes to something bigger. I would say our Prison are over flowing because of crime commited by Drug use. They need help. But they want get it. So they do it over and over. How sad on familys and the person who does this.
They have to want it for their self.

Do you drink soda? Use tylenol, ibuprofen, or aspirin to relieve pain? Do you ever have a beer to take the edge off a crazy day after work? Do you ever use Nyquil to quell a troublesome cough? What about coffee? These all contain drugs.

heroine drug
coke crack etc
weed is all disgusting and bad for u,all are addictively wrong to do.

i am glad i am not messing with that crap no more,weed i did use few time in the past JUST TO ignore/hide/NOT DEAL with the pain, but i am better now wihtout that sh--t..
:) no more of that.

If you can spell that right, I'll take you seriously.

the issue here is smoking pot , and smoking pot usually will lead you to try harder drugs..but my concern would be ..people who smoke pot, do other drugs are still not dealing with everyday stresses..they can function, but mentally they are not allowing the natural process of dealing with lifes issues cuz they are high.. i see no difference, many are still immature in thier thinking..

I know stoners who are better at dealing with life issues than teachers I've had. It's not a question of whether or not you do the drug, be it caffeine, alcohol, marijuana, or cocaine, but more of a question of whether you are handling the issues you face appropriately, responsibly, and reasonably.

I don't think there are good or bad drugs, just good or bad relationships with drugs.

I smoke till i choke and I'm wishin I could quit my true love ? MaryJane. I'm even considering treatment. I love being Healthy.

There are some newer medications out there that are supposed to help people quit smoking. How effective they are I have no idea, but several friends have used them and are smoke-free.

My father spent more than a decade using various techniques to stop smoking and finally managed it with Zyban some years ago. Zyban (aka Wellbutrin aka buproprion) makes some people sick, however, so I would approach it with caution.

I quit smoking over 22 years ago with the aid of nicotine gum and a girlfriend who hated cigarettes--not sure which helped more. Should I feel at all tempted to take up the habit again, I find that attending a smoking AA meeting (preferably held in a small room) to be a wonderful deterrent.

As to that other weed some folks like to smoke....I don't know that there are any easy answers out there. There is at least the comfort that, short of something like coffee, you've probably got one of the less harmful habits out there. Mighty easy to let life pass you by if you're stoned too much, though. Perhaps it's worth reminding yourself of that.

yess yess yess i do .

drugs are drugs and even though some say pot isn't a drug its still a drug.

you can still be put in jail for using it ...


i do not see the point in spending your life getting high so what you go to work everyday and pay your bills and do this and that

who cares YOU ARE STILL A DRUG ADDICT !!!!!!!!!!!!

anything can happened and you could go to jail or even die ... i just don't get the point in risking your life for what getting that quick fix ..........


My husband was a drug addict and still is , well is recovering but he will always be an addict but hopefully someday he will not have that title anymore but whenever he started smoking pot i knew only in time it would lead him back to using crack cocaine and it did....


So I have no Sympathy for people who are on drugs... i just think that basically you're a waste of life ................. too many people are dying over that crap , too many lives are being damaged and marriages and relationships and families are losing in the end due to someone's stupidity choices....

I feel it is a bad thing. I get so annoyed with my brother in law, because he can't pass a drug test therefore he cannot move up in his company. He already risks his job on a daily basis and sees nothing wrong with what he does. I have been drug free for 36 years. I have never tried ANY type of illegal substance and even try to not take ones that are prescribed to me by the doctor. I have been yelled at on more then one occasion for throwing away pain med prescriptions. LOL --- These things alter your mental state and feel they are wrong. On the other hand, my father smoked while he was being treated for cancer. He has since passed away but I did see the relief that it gave him. So I guess if it is for medicinal use it is OK , but for recreational use.. No Way .. Just my choice, my opinion.

I believe that if it were legal then more people would admit to using it. My son is now in prison for it. He used it because he couldn't admit he had a depression problem and I think it actually worked just as well as the meds hes on now, but it is illegal and everyone will be caught sooner or later.

I have watched a good, clean, intelligent, funny, sweet young man slowly dissolve because of smoking pot. He kept saying that he could stop whenever he wanted to, but he just wasn't ready. He became confused, lazy, rude and depressed. He lost interest in school and his job. He lied and hurt people. He did not see a change in himself, but it was quite obvious to those looking on from the outside.

Depression is a serious condition. It should and can be treated by a psychiatrist and/or a doctor. I have also watched the parents of this young man burry their son after he committed suicide.

I'm 55 years old and first smoked pot at the age of 15. The last time I smoked pot was a couple months ago when a friend came over to share some weed with me. She rolled a fat dube We got high and talked. I so enjoyed the visit and would welcome her back anytime. I studied the effects and consequences of crack cocaine after my girl went to prison for selling it and I wouldn't even go near crack or crack heads today. If I had some weed right now, I'd fire it up. I sell on ebay and remember one time when I was high and posted a bunch of auctions, none of them sold. LOL They must have been all screwed up. But I remember writing item descriptions thinking these would be the best.

I'm 55 years old and first smoked pot at the age of 15. The last time I smoked pot was a couple months ago when a friend came over to share some weed with me. She rolled a fat dube We got high and talked. I so enjoyed the visit and would welcome her back anytime. I studied the effects and consequences of crack cocaine after my girl went to prison for selling it and I wouldn't even go near crack or crack heads today. If I had some weed right now, I'd fire it up. I sell on ebay and remember one time when I was high and posted a bunch of auctions, none of them sold. LOL They must have been all screwed up. But I remember writing item descriptions thinking these would be the best.

You SELL pot on Ebay???:confused::confused::confused:

I'll bet someone has tried to sell pot on eBay....

If you know where to look, there are all sorts of other intoxicating substances for sale on eBay--things that regulation has not caught up with. I won't get into specifics but if any of you are familiar with that old classic book "Legal Highs", pretty much anything in there can be had via eBay. Silly, silly.

You SELL pot on Ebay???:confused::confused::confused:

No, not pot. I sell coins and electronic items. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

and why are mods deleteing my damn posts i would swear n ect but i wont ill behave

No, not pot. I sell coins and electronic items. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

I'm SO SORRY. . .:blush:. . .embarrased to say the least. I read it wrong, didn't I.
Dave, great response, though!!!:thumbsup:

My husband was taken away from my life for 15 months because of pot. I love smoking it.
However, we are addicts and it has ruined our lives..

A drug is a drug.
It's a war on drugs.
And we have to win.

The entire question of marijuana addiction is, for me, settled. If you've ever been addicted to a substance (opiates, barbiturates, benzodiazepines or good old alcohol) and kicked it AND if you've smoked pot regularly and then stopped, you know in your heart that marijuana is not addictive.

I'm 65 and I've done a lot of time. I've been strung out on opiates and on alcohol. I've also smoked pot, off and on, for about 50 years--although it wasn't as easy to get when I was a teenager. Luckily, however, the War on Drugs has driven the price of pot high enough to eliminate the occasional shortages that plagued me in my youth. But I digress.

Nobody was ever addicted to marijuana, no matter what they tell you in treatment centers. No tolerance develops. No physical withdrawl symptoms occur when pot use is discontinued. It simply does not qualify as an addictive drug.

Which is not to say that everyone should smoke it. Folks who have a tenuous grip on reality--shrinks would call them pre-psychotic--shouldn't smoke weed. But demonizing it is less than helpful. Young people today (just like kids in the 60s, when I came of age) know they can smoke pot without turning into drooling sex fiends or raving maniacs.

If you're against smoking weed, that's cool. It's your business. But it would be nice if the discussion was reality-based.

The entire question of marijuana addiction is, for me, settled. If you've ever been addicted to a substance (opiates, barbiturates, benzodiazepines or good old alcohol) and kicked it AND if you've smoked pot regularly and then stopped, you know in your heart that marijuana is not addictive.

I'm 65 and I've done a lot of time. I've been strung out on opiates and on alcohol. I've also smoked pot, off and on, for about 50 years--although it wasn't as easy to get when I was a teenager. Luckily, however, the War on Drugs has driven the price of pot high enough to eliminate the occasional shortages that plagued me in my youth. But I digress.

Nobody was ever addicted to marijuana, no matter what they tell you in treatment centers. No tolerance develops. No physical withdrawl symptoms occur when pot use is discontinued. It simply does not qualify as an addictive drug.

Which is not to say that everyone should smoke it. Folks who have a tenuous grip on reality--shrinks would call them pre-psychotic--shouldn't smoke weed. But demonizing it is less than helpful. Young people today (just like kids in the 60s, when I came of age) know they can smoke pot without turning into drooling sex fiends or raving maniacs.

If you're against smoking weed, that's cool. It's your business. But it would be nice if the discussion was reality-based.

Although I am not a pot smoker, I do agree. In my eyes Maijuana is not an addictive drug, The people that use it 9 times out of ten do not go out and commit violent crimes. I do not consider smoking pot a bad thing.

i think the only reason it has not been legalized is because the government can't figure out a way to tax it. but if they could....

I say one drug almost always leads to another.

Pot is not addictive. I use to smoke some on and off for years. I never had a problem with it. But I was also not smoking it everyday or all day long.
Usually the ones who says it leads to other drugs is usually someone who has never used drugs before. I guess if someone says it caused them to use other drugs, then they must be very weak. People who don't smoke cigarettes can be a buzz off them. So who's to say. I think if they legalized pot then there wouldn't be so many depressed and angry people running around.

pot is not a drug!

I was born in Jamaican folks...of course its not a BAD thing.

I say one drug almost always leads to another.
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Right on Frank! I have been saying this for years.. I have posted much on this subject and know from my own life that Pot is NOT addictive.. If someone is laying around and have wasted their WHOLE life and looks horrible, then they are not smoking POT. Again I will say that in the whole 38 yrs of old pot smoking. I have never moved on to other drugs , nor do I drink. nor do I party, or hang out and sell my rear or drugs to supply my habit. I have yet to sell my soul to "lucifer" or have been so stoned that I woke up in bed with a stranger. I have never had "black outs" or robbed and killed someone to get my next hit. I can go months , years with out it . Coffee is much more difficult to give up. I am not fat, lazy or stupilified.

It just isn't legal, but (my thoughts) it ought to be- -a lot less "hot heads" if it was.
Ahwwwww, the age of Aquarious!
Been there, done that- -but back then- -it was $8.00 a bag- -my have times changed!! (don't you dare ask me my age)
Be safe.

If weed is not dangerous, why do people smoke it and risk to go to jail and pay money for?

There are many postings and websites who mention it is harmless. Like the cigarette industries trying to sell cigarettes or the alc industry selling alc.

A drug is a drug. It can change your decision making.

i don't consider pot a drug either. for people that don't have an appetite, or feel sick to the stomach, or have problems sleeping. i don't know of people smoking o joint and going out and getting crazy in trouble. tweekers definitely do!! not pot smokers!!!!!

The entire question of marijuana addiction is, for me, settled. If you've ever been addicted to a substance (opiates, barbiturates, benzodiazepines or good old alcohol) and kicked it AND if you've smoked pot regularly and then stopped, you know in your heart that marijuana is not addictive.

I'm 65 and I've done a lot of time. I've been strung out on opiates and on alcohol. I've also smoked pot, off and on, for about 50 years--although it wasn't as easy to get when I was a teenager. Luckily, however, the War on Drugs has driven the price of pot high enough to eliminate the occasional shortages that plagued me in my youth. But I digress.

Nobody was ever addicted to marijuana, no matter what they tell you in treatment centers. No tolerance develops. No physical withdrawal symptoms occur when pot use is discontinued. It simply does not qualify as an addictive drug.

Which is not to say that everyone should smoke it. Folks who have a tenuous grip on reality--shrinks would call them pre-psychotic--shouldn't smoke weed. But demonizing it is less than helpful. Young people today (just like kids in the 60s, when I came of age) know they can smoke pot without turning into drooling sex fiends or raving maniacs.

If you're against smoking weed, that's cool. It's your business. But it would be nice if the discussion was reality-based.


I agreed with you 100%.
I still smoke occasionally and go on to a perfectly normal life. I'm still going to college and I have job & pot doesn't stop me from either. I'm not ashamed about it at all. :hee:

i don't consider pot a drug either. for people that don't have an appetite, or feel sick to the stomach, or have problems sleeping. i don't know of people smoking o joint and going out and getting crazy in trouble. tweekers definitely do!! not pot smokers!!!!!

People who use meth defend meth. People who use pot, defend pot. People who use alc, defend alc. People who just smoke cigarettes, defend cigarettes. Nothing new here. First signs of addiction. Who is not addicted, must not defend his drug. First signs of lost self control also. I drink a beer or a glass wine every now and then. But I would never say it is not dangerous to drink alc. And I know that alc changed my mind already. If not, I wouldn't drink it. If I drink a glass of beer, it is not that I thought I like to drink a beer. It is that the beer asks me to drink a glass. As long as I am aware of this, I am NOT addicted. Because I am aware of the odds and not paint all in honeymoon colors loke I have everything under control. Same with weed. To recognize it is a drug, which CAN have odd effects, is the first step heading reality.

Does anybody see all the soldiers of the army of dead or sick users walking down the streets? No? Because they are in hospital or rest in pieces!

And that pot is a drug is a fact. If it wasn't a drug, nobody would use it.

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Chronic health effects of cannabis use



selective impairment of cognitive functioning which include the organization and integration of complex information involving various mechanisms of attention and memory processes;
prolonged use may lead to greater impairment, which may not recover with cessation of use, and which could affect daily life functions;
development of a cannabis dependence syndrome characterized by a loss of control over cannabis use is likely in chronic users;
cannabis use can exacerbate schizophrenia in affected individuals;
epithetial injury of the trachea and major bronchi is caused by long-term cannabis smoking;
airway injury, lung inflammation, and impaired pulmonary defence against infection from persistent cannabis consumption over prolonged periods;
heavy cannabis consumption is associated with a higher prevalence of symptoms of chronic bronchitis and a higher incidence of acute bronchitis than in the non-smoking cohort;
cannabis used during pregnancy is associated with impairment in fetal development leading to a reduction in birth weight;
cannabis use during pregnancy may lead to postnatal risk of rare forms of cancer although more research is needed in this area.

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Source: World Health Organization

Stop cheating yourself! Accept that weed is a drug and has control over you. And that it has effects. If it would not have effects, you would not use it.

I believe, all users who defend their drug, are already addicted. The drug let them defend their addiction.

the only reason it is illegal- if i am correct...((major criminal justice, minor business-law)) is because the g.o.v have not found a way to tax it. it is said and documented that in the 1920's it became illegal because the cotton overseers feared the blacks and mexicans would become unruly and out of control((ie-not want to work)) so thus the movement begun.now,, personally- when i used to smoke it,, i just wanted to chill and relax,, it kept me focused and i would clean. if i was pissed off at you , then you wouldn't have to be worried about it b/c if i was "red" then i wouldn't want any problems b/c i was feelin mellow.I still studied, did my homework school work, got up for work and school . addicitive?? anything can be addictive,,ANYTHING... if it is in your reach and easily obtainable- then yes it can very well be addictive,, just like SEX (( nymphomaniac)), soda((coke coca cola)), FOOD... but weed is not a gate way drug and is not dangerous in any form. i havent heard yet of anyone jackin someone or killin someone or breakin into someones home to pay for it. or jack their own mamas....

First, I think pot should be legal.

I quit quite a while ago; it's hard to preach to your kids not to go down that road if you don't. Teenagers can smell a hypocrite ;)

I also agree, though, about the argument of it leading to other drugs. I say that because it is illegal. Smoking almost inevitably leads you into contact with people doing other drugs, and makes it far more likely that you'll try them.

JMO..your mileage may vary.

:twocents: This is my two cents b/c I have not read all of the other posts. So my opinions may agree/disagree with other posts.
You can become addicted to anything. Especially if you feel that substance is helping you in some way. (I feel it is a mental thing) I think it is a gateway drug like any drug because once your tolerance is high and that drug no longer gives you the same feeling, you desire to try something else.
But like I said this is my :twocents: cause everyone is different.

Frank Driscoll wrote: Nobody was ever addicted to marijuana, no matter what they tell you in treatment centers. No tolerance develops. No physical withdrawl symptoms occur when pot use is discontinued. It simply does not qualify as an addictive drug.

The mental health professionals in the treatment centers I have consulted with in our community have actually encouraged addicts to smoke pot rather than return to their drug of choice (prescription opiates being a HUGE problem in my area). It's an unwritten policy.

It reminds me of my Catholic priest when I was getting ready to marry for the first time, who told me I could use birth control and I wouldn't burn in Hell.

Funny how the people working the front lines quietly run the revolution.

I say one drug almost always leads to another.

I disagree with this one.
It is only a gateway drug if you let it.
I know many people that have done no other drug besides pot, including myself.
Its more of a self control thing than the drug itself

While I agree that pot is not physically addictive it can absolutely be MENTALLY addictive I have spent the last 11 years with a man who daily chose pot over everything and everyone else until almost 2 years in prison (for poss. and manufacturing) helped him clear his head and realize everythig he had lost or missed out on. Smoking pot cost G a good job when he was caught smoking in his car at work. It cost him the money he had saved for my engagement ring as well as causing me to change my mind about getting married when he was arrested for smoking while driving after promising YET AGAIN to quit. It was the cause of countless vacations, outings,days, and nights that our boys and I had to enjoy without him because he wanted to do nothing after work other than to sit down in the basement and get high. It was the cause of countless fights and had I been a stronger person without such a single minded obsession with my children having a 2 parent home it would have cost him us. I threw him out of the house and still he didn't quit. When he was arrested for the big one we lost almost everything, but our boys and I finally got him back. We have the family I always hoped we would. Pot is like most everything else. Most can use now and again without having anything but a good time but there are those whose lives it takes over. For those who are using responsibly great, but please don't tell me my expirience is all in my head just because it isn't yours. :grouphug:

I absolutely believe that pot is a gateway drug. It lead my daughter straight to herion due to the fact that she was smoking joints laced w/heroin! Damn drug dealers! They ruined her life....and she thought she was only smoking pot.

I would any consider any drug use a bad thing i only say as i have a parent who works in mental health & most of the patients are drug users which led to there illnesses even those with chronic cannabis use alone

I don't think it's all that bad, but any addiction isn't good. It is illegal tho & I don't like being at peoples houses who grow a bunch of it and have people pulling in every 10 minutes to buy some. Makes me nervous.:eek:

If weed is not dangerous, why do people smoke it and risk to go to jail and pay money for?

There are many postings and websites who mention it is harmless. Like the cigarette industries trying to sell cigarettes or the alc industry selling alc.

A drug is a drug. It can change your decision making.


The greatest danger marijuana poses to one's health, is a result of the legal consequences of getting caught. Now, that is not to say that marijuana can not, or does not pose any risk. Although, the impairments linked to marijuana use are short-term and negligible compared to the risks of alcohol, tobacco, or eating too many Big Macs. Neither the alcohol or tobacco industries claim their product to be harmless, whether or not they subscribe just to how harmful they can be. The mantra of these industries is for responsible adults to use these products responsibly.

Why do people risk going to jail? It is a safer alternative to legal drugs to relieve stress, promote euphoria, and it employs a number of medicinal benefits with little health risk. Simply put people take the risk because it is cheap, it's widely available, and it feels good. In many ways its also form of civil disobedience, a way of proclaiming one's freedom from the close-minded demonization of this unique herb. Intoxication is not "abnormal", if we look at our historical record, and other mammals in the animal kingdom we find what might be labeled a very natural "drive toward, or instinct toward intoxication". Religious "drug" use or better phrased entheogen use, is older than written history itself. Many people recognize, divinity and spiritual benefits of certain substances provided by Mother Nature.


A drug is not a drug, different substances operate in your brain as different as day and night. As a matter of fact, nearly every individual in this country uses drugs. Primarily, thanks to caffeine, aspirin, and your doctor's prescription. The word "drug" really does not carry much weight in itself, outside of it's negative connotation. A psychoactive substance might expose you to altered states of mind, but to say it can influence your decision making does not imply that such changes are bad. You might be exposed to altered states of mind, and come to certain conclusions that are in some ways beneficial. Ultimately, despite this your decisions are ultimately your own, and how you choose to let a chemical influence your decision making is your choice.

Research has clearly proven that smoking pot does not lead to other drugs and that most pot smokers smoke pot exclusively and very regularly. Because some have gone on to other more dangerous synthetic drugs and they happen to have started with pot does not mean that pot led them to try other drugs.:cool:

Here is just one link among others that indicate research on the matter.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/gateway2.htm

this is an interesting debate, I'd like to add my experience if thats OK.

I had never smoked pot until the age of 20, at which time I was working a good job in a government department, studyind law and playing alot of sport. I was diagnosed with Cancer at 20, my partner at the time gave me weed to try. It works, but, not only that, i enjoyed it, of course! I'm a decade older and alive, but still smoke every day. I do not smoke before or during work - EVER, I am often in a high security environment. I smoke cigarettes, which are an evil unto themselves. But I do not touch a drop of alcohol. I have a great job in a professional environment at which I am successful. I do not take anything other than weed excepting my prescribed medication. My friends and former colleagues do not smoke weed at. In fact, there have been times I am in a houseful of people and I am the only smoker amongst hoardes of poppers and pingers and meth heads.

What I mean is that I hold down a good job, have a normal, full life outside of the drug underbelly. My friends are not all addicts of one kind or another, although alcohol is a different topic for some.

Not all of us are glazed over, constantly hungery people! LOL. I'm not trying to change anyones mind on this, in NZ they are quite lenient with personal amounts so the legal issues diminish somewhat. Just that I smoke and still lead as productive of a life as I can. I do like my sleep though!

As far as illegal drugs go, which this is, I'd say it's the mildest.

But it can cause problems and it can become a crutch.

I like smoking weed. But it makes you lazy and somehow a lot of things get postponed..."I'll do it later or tomorrow..."

I heard that smoking one joint is equivalent to smoking 2 packs of squares. Just imagine a blunt! The cigar paper? You're not supposed to inhale! Think of the lovely color that turns lungs....! Whew...!

Bottom line: MODERATION:thumbsup:

Whats a pack of squares?

As far as illegal drugs go, which this is, I'd say it's the mildest.

But it can cause problems and it can become a crutch.

I like smoking weed. But it makes you lazy and somehow a lot of things get postponed..."I'll do it later or tomorrow..."

I heard that smoking one joint is equivalent to smoking 2 packs of squares. Just imagine a blunt! The cigar paper? You're not supposed to inhale! Think of the lovely color that turns lungs....! Whew...!

Bottom line: MODERATION:thumbsup:


Marijuana does have a greater amount of carcinogens than tobacco with regard to some of the chemical constituents, and less carcinogens with regard to other chemical constituents. This really doesn't say much, nearly everything we touch, breathe, eat, drink, swallow, has some sort of carcinogen in it. No case of lung cancer, or serious disease has ever resulted from marijuana alone use. This puts into question the idea that tar contributes to cancer. Marijuana smokers also inhale far less frequently than tobacco smokers, thus allowing ample times for the lungs to clean themselves. But yes, moderation in everything is key.

UGH...JUST BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAKE iRRESPONSiBLE DECiSiONS AND MOVE ON TO OTHER DRUGS FROM WEED DOES NOT MEAN iT WAS THE WEED THAT MADE THEM DO iT....DOES A LiTTLE GREEN MAN TAKE UP REFUGE iN UR MiND AND TELL YOU TO SMOKE CRACK??? NOOO iT DOESNT AND EVEN iF iT DiD ULTiMATELY iT iS THE iNDiViDUALS CHOICE...NOT THE WEED...PLUS HAVE U HEARD OF ANYONE OD'ING ON WEED?? NOPE...MOST PEOPLE THAT SMOKE END UP EATiNG AND THEN GOiNG TO SLEEP...WHATS SO BAD ABOUT THAT??

I posted this . Thought it should be here also.

I do visit other mmj web sites. Tonight on Treatyourself.com (Canadian Medical MJ Site), I found a tread on mmj strain specific to symptoms or diseases. This is a great list to refer to. Remember this is anecdotal accounts but it may help paitents decide which strain to try. I didnt post the link to this thread, as you must join to gain access. I copied and pasted the pertinent parts of the posts for this list. Maybe we can add to this list and maybe someone will compile the symptoms or diseases so we can try strains that may help our conditions. Also remember the medical effects depend upon when the herb is harvested from early to late. I hope this helps someone.

clinton


ADD: Focus: Catalyst, Billiejack, Jack Herer, C99, Thai, Haze, Elvis, Dogshit.....

Insomnia, Social Awareness, Emotional Stability: Black Domina, Butterscotch Hawiian, Trainwreck, Afgani, William's Wonder, Blueberry.

MS Neuropathic Pain / Urinary Incontinence: Trainwreck, Super Silver Haze), NYCD and Sour Diesel. For severe pain, concentrates may be required.

Digestive Disorders: Blueberry, Blackberry, Black Domina.

Nausea and Diarrhea and Cramping (including Menstrual Cramps): Blueberry.

Social Anxiety: Romulan, NL#5, Hindu Kush, OG Kush, Bubba Kush.

Stress: Heavenly Man.

Sleep and General Relaxation:Sonoma Coma, Lifesaver, Real Matanuska Thunder Fu*K, XXX, Legends Ultimate Indica, Sensi Star.

Alert, Cerebral: AK-47, Dankouver, Cambodian X Orange Peako.

Anti Depress & Anxiety, Sleep: Blue Moonshine, Jack Herrer, M-39, Herijuana.

Chronic Pain: Romulan, Shiskeberry.

Appetite Stimulant/Spasms: TY's Northernberry x Reefermans herijuana.

Joint and Muscle Pain: Legends Ultimate Indica, UBC Chemo x Grapefruit.

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Chronic pain: Blueberry, reeferman's hashplant

appetite stimulant: Catalyst

Joint and muscle pain: Blueberry
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White Russian-ak-47 x white widow-excellent for chronic pain and insomnia-M39 for chronic pain-Peace BigD
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Catalyst: is good for Anxiety and Depression. I don’t really get the munchies from her though.
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Purple Kush: helps my stomach and bleeds off my stress/anxiety

Slow train: ruins me for a good long while and my back pain just melts away
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Romulan-munchies, sleep inducer
AK-47-pain relief, day dreaming, anti stress
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Hi all- I've been working my way through the various strains, trying to find an appropriate cannabis strain for me. My heart has a tendency to race, so I avoid most Sativas. Here's my experiences so far:

Romulan: Pleasant slight mental high. *Great painkiller*/minor muscle relaxant. Aided sleep. My heart doesn't race at all on this stuff! Apparently, it has a lower THC content than many, and this may account for it's mellowness. Yeah! It also doesnt make me feel 'stoned' or stupid.

Blueberry Kush: Medium pain control. Medium body high, STRONG sleep inducer. Knocked me out....twice.

Peak 19- Too strong! 1/4 of a puff made my heart race for about a half hour, and made me feel like I was going to be ill. I hate this crap!!

Mango+Durban cross: Decent painkiller, euphoric feeling, 'couch-lock'. Slightly 'stupid' high, and munchie inducer. Makes my fingers feel numb occasionally.

Trainwreck: Anti-anxiety. Muddled my thoughts a bit but not too much to be disturbing. Good painkiller. Slight heartrate elevation. Extreme munchee inducer.
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The Skunk#1 that was grown on the PainPal system is VERY relaxing for me, it numbs my chronic back pain and is a real easy on the throat smoke. Two reasonable sized bowls and I'm off to "la la land"
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Nevles Haze is really good for psychiactric conditions, mood, and anxiety. I love Sensi-Star for it's ability to control muscle pain and nausea. It also has a wonderful aroma and taste to boot.

I am curious if the Blueberry is really helpful for muscle spasms. Or what about restless leg? I have been up for the past three nights with restless leg and nothing is helping.
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I had a friend (RIP) who used to swear by Super Silver Haze cookies for his troublesome RLS and arthritic spinal problems. I have a couple of people I caregive that gave the strain a trial. Both of them said that the SSH cookies worked better than Rx medication and that Indica's did nothing for them.

They also are very good for neuropathy and spasms from Multiple Sclerosis.
I eat 2 strong cookies a day - like clockwork - and dropped the Rx meds for spasms. This works well for me and it's the first thing I will give to someone
who has MS or bladder problems that come with MS. Nothing I've used works better.
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I have said it before, the Amsterdam Bubble Funk has a way of getting rid of my HEADACHES when the pinched nerve in my neck acts up with those top of the cranium gems of PAIN. Without a doubt, better than any asprin ever taken, and with immediate relief. As a general pain reliever, this strain does little for my FIBROMYALGIA. For that pain, i rely on Bubble Gum, or Blueberry to get me the relief i need, for the most part.
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afgani trainwreck -for my mind,muscles,pain
original u.w.-pain-
l.a. hogsbreath-pain,sleep,..frontal lobe action,lol.
i dont eat inless ingesting.trainwreck good for that.
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BUBBLE GUM, LIFESAVER, AMSTERDAM BUBBLE FUNK, & Kali Misty definitely help me to cope with my FIBO flare ups, by the way
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AK-47- A more 'active' high, pretty decent munchie factor after a few minutes, and a very pleasant mental haze. Pain relief is definitely also a good plus with this one: an 8 for neuropathic pain, and a 9 for muscular pain. Effects are felt instantly, and although it's very potent, it doesn't make my heart race at all.

New York City Diesel- This strain tends to put a bit of 'tightness' in my chest. A 7-8 for pain control, and an odd discernable head buzz. This tends to come on slowly for me. Small munchie factor.

Trainwreck (further thoughts)- This is a really great strain to be active with. I've been using Trainwreck in the morning, followed by small hits of AK-47 throughout the day for pain relief, and it's very effective.
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Medicine Man- Excellent for neuropathic pain. I've been told by some that this is another name for White Rhino....although it doesn't seem to have as 'active' a quality as I expected from this strain. More than any other strain, this cannabis creates a fogging mental haze that can be shaken off if necessary, but really helps with perception of pain. I give this a 10 out of 10 for pain control and general anti-anxiety/mood elevation, however, I'd save it for the night- it's not the most motivating thing in the world, although it is possible to become productive if you push yourself enough.
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Afgooy. Great for stomach stuff as well. Serious couch lock. This stuff will make your face numb.
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M-39- Very happy, decent bodily relaxation, excellent anti-anxiety, and good for cramps.

Silver Haze- AMAZING for pain- it's a very even head/body buzz, but it's an alert, cerebral one. I want to be busy when I'm on this stuff.

RomSpice- This is the strongest body high I've ever felt. It literally makes my whole body feel numb and tingly. I give it a 12 out of 10 for pain. It surpasses Romulan by at least half. AMAZING and wonderful! It not only kills my pain- without massive amounts of opiates, but it also helps withdrawl symptoms- VERY well. It brought my aches down to being barely tolerable with advil (as opposed to me lying on the floor aching, shaking and vomiting).

I highly recommend the club on 9th St. (10th st. is okay too, but the staff isn't nearly as knowledgable) in San Francisco. They know exactly what strains suit which ailments. Apparently, Cindy99 is supposed to be excellent for MS- they make bhang out of the most potent strains they have (RomSpice and Cindy99 for this batch), and many MS patients haven't needed anything more than an occasional advil. AMAZING stuff.

Anti nausea strains: (I have BAD nausea due to a bad liver, kidney disfunction, and mental trauma/PTSD) RomSpice, Silver Haze, Romulan, NY Sour Diesel, M-39, Blue Moonshine, are ALL excellent- their effectivness is in order from greatest to lesser- but all of them work very well.

NY Sour Diesel is excellent for anxiety, as is Bubblegum. SD gives an almost tangible sense of relaxation in the head- it killed a developing migraine before it started.
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my personal preference for treating MS, is ANY strong Indica,,, i stay away from any/all pure Sativas,,,

the reason is the effects from Sativas- energetic up buzz,, activates my spazticity with this disease,,,

it turns on my shaking in plain terms, makes me shake more,, it makes me vibrate, -try drinking coffeee i end up wearing it.

so for me,, an Indica,, a very very strong Indica, is what i need to treat my issues with MS- Neuropathic pain,, spazticity,,,

indicas turn off my spazticity,,,

someone should take a video of me before/after,, when i am shakin,, what MORE PROOF do these flippin idiots in the medical/political world need???

and yes they have pills for me,, tegretol,neurontin topomax, all these are RX'd for Epilepsy,, not MS and so NOT COVERED for my treatment??? and they have to be taken in large doses to get symptom relief,, very costly,,,

FYI- my RX for Sativex last year was also NOT COVERED by BC Pharmacare., they told me it was of NO BENEFIT for me.

so for Ms in conclusion,, with my needs specifically,, i would have a list with only this-

NO SATIVAS!!!! Indicas Only!!!!!!
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Nirvana papaya: really helps chronic insomnia esp kief in cooking...

Nirvana White Rhino: eases some chronic pain and assisted with hunger issues through chemo

Female Seeds Grapefruit: Great for depression but not so good for anxiety issues.

Nirvana White Widow: Found to be good for depression and lessens anxiety (again personal opinion here)

Nirvana northen light x big bud: Good for moderate pain and late picked found to give a relaxing buzz...good for stress through pain, anxiety and long term chemo fatigue.

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I dont smoke, however I think there is a lot out there who should! I dont let that be a failer for any relationships I have. There are more people who smoke then you realize. I think it should be leagalized for goverment to make out on it so we as tax payers dont have to keep filling the goverment spending holes. I have met a lot of people who strickly choose pot as the only drug of choice. They are are not violent or thieves for thier addiction. But, like all addictions...it becomes a problem when you receive the ticket for it or you fail the drug test for the job you wanted. As long as it is used and not abused... All bills paid..gas in car..food shelter clothes

I dont smoke, however I think there is a lot out there who should! I dont let that be a failer for any relationships I have. There are more people who smoke then you realize. I think it should be leagalized for goverment to make out on it so we as tax payers dont have to keep filling the goverment spending holes. I have met a lot of people who strickly choose pot as the only drug of choice. They are are not violent or thieves for thier addiction. But, like all addictions...it becomes a problem when you receive the ticket for it or you fail the drug test for the job you wanted. As long as it is used and not abused... All bills paid..gas in car..food shelter clothes


That's what its all about, the fact is most people who try drugs never become addicts. The drug addicts you seen on cops aren't good places for people to begin to base their judgement. Its a very small part of the sample, but believe it or not the overwhelming majority of the 20 million plus of marijuana users are employed and contributimg to society.

Its the drop of ink in the pond scenario.

Legalize it! In all states. I'm from Cali and would be on pills to help me get out the door in the morning and then something different to help me sleep at night. I suffer from major anxiety and Yes the OG kush is my #1 medicine. The dispensaries are fantastic with knowledgable staff and strict policies regarding proper medical recommendations. My personal dr. as well as my shrink back my mmj usage 100%. At first they were a little judgemental(obviously) but they have been working with me since I was brutally attacked and raped 4 years ago. I've tried every medication on the market for my anxiety and depression and have had many severe reactions to most. Medical marijuana has helped me to regain my confidence and to live a somewhat normal life ( I'm able to smile after 3 years of crying). I am a huge mmj advocate and think it can work wonders for those in need. My grandmother who suffers from cancer is also a mmj patient and she wouldn't be able to eat or go a day without pain if it weren't for mmj. Those who live in the "Refer Madness" (funny movie if you've never seen) have to get with the times. It is a more natural remedy coming from a plant and there are some growers following strict "natural"/ "organic" guidelines to farming and growing. It is a booming business that I plan on getting into in the near future. For those with a negative opinion on it because it is still "illegal" (for some, cause I got my paperwork) are you ok with cancer causing tobacco bacause it is legal? CRAZY! The warning is on the box "THIS WILL CAUSE CANCER AND KILL YOU" but it is "ok" because the government figured out how to tax it? They probably know how to tax mmj too but are just scared of the technicalities regarding jail/prison sentences having to due with mari-jane. Just my opinion! I love it and I love Los Angeles there are many dispensaries to choose from and it is like home away from home they welcome you with open arms better then when I go into a Rite-Aid to pick up a prescription.

:yay:It should be legalized in my OPINION because it's only as detrimental and addictive as you allow it to be in your own personal life. I didn't start smoking weed until my freshman year in college and it never affected me in a negative way.:cheers: As a matter of fact I was a Resident Assistant for on-campus housing, President of the Administration of Justice Club, worked security at night M-F 11-7 am, received my Bachelors Degree all while in college and smoking weed on a daily basis:hee::hee:.....My mother and family all knew that I smoked so I've never had to hide anything due to the fact that my family and friends all know that I TAKE CARE OF MY BUSINESS. So, the only "Gateway" that Marijuana is gonna lead you is the only gate that you allow those other drugs to flow in.....As always....My Honest Opinion and Experiences...Be Blessed...

that Bluberry Kush sounds nice!!!!

:hmm::hmm::hmm:boy has weed come a long way since i was a teen:cool:

I was a pothead for 20 yrs untill I was put on probation for a stupid fight. I do not drink. Maybe a cpl times a yr. No other drugs. kept a job , bills paid, food in the house. I spent $60.00 a wk. I miss my weed but will not risk violating my probation for it. But oh when july 2010 comes, bring out the green. It is great for cramps:D When I had the flu ,some theraflu and a little green did the job. :o But when I had to stop smoking it was hard:mad: Very vivid crazy dreams and could not sleep for a few wks. But I am cool now:) Yes it should be legalized ...

1. Potheads are mostly puzzies who cant deal with reality. They need their little joints to "make them feel good" and escape. Why not try a relationship? why not love your family and enjoy time with them? Why not seek out the companionship of good people.

2, The THOUSANDS of tons of Marijuana that Americans consume make NARCO-GANGS rich and powerful and have destabilized the country of Mexico to the point that the good people cannot control the murder and crime that goes on their. The instability contributes to the extraordinary illegal number of crossings into the US that have caused havoc along the southern states bording Mexico and plenty of other chaos all of the country.

3. If you dont believe this or think it is BS, then you are part of the problem and pat yourself in the back for contributing to the deaths of countless poor people, mostly Mexican, who die while acting as mules or in gun battles protecting their deliveries.

JuanitoAlimania I am sorry that happens! But do not classify that ALL potheads r "puzzies" a lot of people smoke and handle their business. To each its own, I say LEGALIZE IT! The prison rate will go down. Marijuana is less harmful than alcohol!

I personally do NOT smoke it, never have, very likely never will. However, I have helped care from some terminally ill neighbors over the years ( I live in an area with a very high concentration of elderly people) and watching some of these folks wither away in excrutiating pain or watching them get medically addicted to the strongest opiates out there by their doctors only to have that same doc cancel an appointment at the last minute thereby forcing them to go cold turkey with no re-up of the morphine script opened my eyes big time.

I say legalize it, regulate it, tax it and dispense it from pharmacies with a written RX from a doc and let our economy benefit from all the money that would otheriwse be funneled to the gangsters that JuanitoAlimania is complaining about.

He/she has a point about the criminality of MJ but that point would disappear in a short time if our goverment reclassified MJ as a schedule II or Schedule III drug and allowed USA farmers to legally grow it and sell it drug manufacturers who could process it into properly dosed lollipops, pills, cigarettes, pouched smoke, cookies, cello-seal brownies and so on.

I say legalize it, regulate it, tax it and dispense it from pharmacies with a written RX from a doc and let our economy benefit from all the money that would otheriwse be funneled to the gangsters that JuanitoAlimania is complaining about.

Amen. I too have never used, nor do I plan to. However, it needs to be regulated/taxed/etc.

I used to smoke and do other things as well. When i cleaned up i noticed how much it affected my life. I don't think it should be leagalized unless you are a cancer patient. that is a special circumstance. It is a drug, natural or not.

UGH...JUST BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAKE iRRESPONSiBLE DECiSiONS AND MOVE ON TO OTHER DRUGS FROM WEED DOES NOT MEAN iT WAS THE WEED THAT MADE THEM DO iT....DOES A LiTTLE GREEN MAN TAKE UP REFUGE iN UR MiND AND TELL YOU TO SMOKE CRACK??? NOOO iT DOESNT AND EVEN iF iT DiD ULTiMATELY iT iS THE iNDiViDUALS CHOICE...NOT THE WEED...PLUS HAVE U HEARD OF ANYONE OD'ING ON WEED?? NOPE...MOST PEOPLE THAT SMOKE END UP EATiNG AND THEN GOiNG TO SLEEP...WHATS SO BAD ABOUT THAT??

I agree. when i smoke it i just become chill eat go to sleep and thats it!

LEGALIZE IT - for medical use.
I suffer from a chronic and debilitating spinal injury, for which there is no medical intervention except to fill me up with pain pills, which have the potential for destroying my liver, and don't do jack for the pain anyway. I can't smoke, because I live in ass-backward Oklahoma, where everything is 25 years behind the rest of the free world.

Of course, the one thing that works to kill my pain, make me totally functional and isn't going to destroy my liver, is the one drug I can't have - marijuana.

And that's all bullshit about marijuana being a gateway drug. I was on tranquilizers for years before I ever smoked my first joint. But you know what? One joint, and I didn't need the tranquilizers anymore. But then again, I didn't abuse any of my drugs, script or not. I do not recommend making drugs that have no medical value legalized, and as far as I am concerned, anyone who sells meth, ought to be in prison for wholesale poisoning of the human body and mind. Same for anyone producing that nasty stuff, and anyone who uses it, has to be stupider than either of the two above. I value my body way too much to put that much poison in it, and just for a high. Sheesh. I can go white water rafting, get higher on that, and it's not toxic and won't eat my teeth and skin.

But I don't agree with giving the guy who had a joint ridiculous prison time equal to the guy with meth. They are not comparable in any fashion.

I don't think pots a bad drug, if you smoke if using a vaporizer you don't get any of the harmfull carcinogen's in ur lungs. I started smoking pot after years of taking medacation for my add/adhd and after highschoool i found pot; i noticed that it had a better affect on calming me down without the bad side affects as pills did.

Have you ever heard of someone that died from smoking pot?

My guys drug of choice was pot. At first he was exactly like you describe your guy.... hardworking, responsible, ect. Over the years the decline was slow, and I didn't really notice how dependent he had become. Not on the drug itself, but on the effect it had on him. It became his only way to handle stress, bad days at work, our fights EVERYTHING. He started spending more and more money on pot, buying it behind my back, pawning CD's and DVD's for more money to buy. It got really bad. Finally, he hit bottom, and took our rent money to buy drugs. He smoked his brains out, and when there was no more money, no more pot, and still more stress he freaked out. He couldn't handle the mess he had made, and he resorted to B&E to get more money.
Hence why I'm on this site now.
Pot is bad, period.

:rolleyes: i agree anyone can go overboard on any drug...script and illegal.......but i'd rather deal with someone on pot, THAN ON METH, OR HEROIN....i am all for medicinal pot...and not just for cancer patients or those with glaucoma....back pain...nerve pain an migrains, can be dabilitating.....i am 58 and would rather be able to smoke pot than take the 13 meds i am having to take....:)

legalize the hell out it please lol... If it wasnt for that I would have done lost my freakin mind lol.... My boo boos gone im raising three kids I dont get along with me in laws what so ever and Im on medical leave so Im broke and stressed lol.... Come on now. Exactly what some have said just because some people go retarded and start doing worse things doesnt mean that everybody is going to be like that. They prolly wouldnt have so many people misusing pain pills and stuff if theyd just let em have a lil joint every couple of days hahahah

Legalize it, it's far less dangerous than alcohol.

legalize it!!! it's from the earth untouched by man=it should be LEGAL!!

well I personally don't have a problem with pot. I am a college graduate with a good job, nice home and all that is missing is my husband(he is at alexander correctional). I say as long as you can control it and not let it control you then its all gucci

My guys drug of choice was pot. At first he was exactly like you describe your guy.... hardworking, responsible, ect. Over the years the decline was slow, and I didn't really notice how dependent he had become. Not on the drug itself, but on the effect it had on him. It became his only way to handle stress, bad days at work, our fights EVERYTHING. He started spending more and more money on pot, buying it behind my back, pawning CD's and DVD's for more money to buy. It got really bad. Finally, he hit bottom, and took our rent money to buy drugs. He smoked his brains out, and when there was no more money, no more pot, and still more stress he freaked out. He couldn't handle the mess he had made, and he resorted to B&E to get more money.
Hence why I'm on this site now.
Pot is bad, period.

im all for legalizing it, but when my boy did this... its all about moderation. I thought he was using heroin or something when our stuff started to disappear!!

Moderation is the key, I will never argue that point. And there are vaild uses for it, especially medically.
However, if we were a society of moderation then I guess we wouldn't be having this convo! LOL

true true.

1. Potheads are mostly puzzies who cant deal with reality. They need their little joints to "make them feel good" and escape. Why not try a relationship? why not love your family and enjoy time with them? Why not seek out the companionship of good people.


Juanito, while it is without question there are some who abuse marijuana your blanket generalization is largely unfounded. Is the solider suffering from PTSD who uses marijuana to treat his PTSD a puzzie who can't deal with reality? What about if that same soldier used anti-depressant meds instead, still a puzzie? Why not apply this same level of scrutiny to other substances? Are people who drink alcohol puzzies? Some people smoke marijuana for spiritual purposes as well such as the Rastafari, are they puzzies? Many marijuana smokers live very fulfilling lives with healthy relationships, and for some marijuana serves as a hindrance. Believe it or not there is a healthy degree of escapism, as the desire to change one's consciousness is a very natural drive. For many marijuana becomes unhealthy escapism instead of healthy escapism, for other it doesn't. You must realize that your bias against marijuana exists because you've been indoctrinated to look at the issue through the lense of prohibition. It's not as black and white as that.

2, The THOUSANDS of tons of Marijuana that Americans consume make NARCO-GANGS rich and powerful and have destabilized the country of Mexico to the point that the good people cannot control the murder and crime that goes on their. The instability contributes to the extraordinary illegal number of crossings into the US that have caused havoc along the southern states bording Mexico and plenty of other chaos all of the country.The reasons these narco gangs exist is because marijuana is on a black market. It's not the marijuana itself that causes narco gangs to exist, it's the black market profits from the illicit drug trade. You are misattributing causes and effects. There is much strife occuring because of these violent narco gangs, and their existence depends upon marijuana prohibition. Marijuana itself is intrinsically worth very little. As long as it is illegal, it will always deliver high profit margins and thus be very attractive for criminals to trade. Marijuana's association with violence is almost entirely attributable to the black market economics that surround this plant. Repeal marijuana prohibition, and we remove the ability of criminals to profit from marijuana at the expense of society. The violence in Mexico and at the border is actually a very good argument for the repeal of prohibition, not for greater enforcement. We haven't made a dent in the drug trade. In 1937 approximately 1 in every 1300 Americans had tried marijuana, today that number is 1 in 3. Over 70 years in prohibition and an astronomical increase in usage rates. Do you honestly believe our current policy is curtailing drug use? The fact is there's never been a drug free society, and it simply isn't possible to kill every single marijuana plant on earth. There will always be a demand for marijuana, big or small, the question is who will provide the supply. Right now, we've given that power to criminals.



3. If you dont believe this or think it is BS, then you are part of the problem and pat yourself in the back for contributing to the deaths of countless poor people, mostly Mexican, who die while acting as mules or in gun battles protecting their deliveries.

The majority of marijuana consumed in this country is grown domestically. The deaths in Mexico are tragic, but cannabis smokers are not at fault. What is at fault is the prohibition policies that have given rise to the criminal syndicates that provide the supply for the drug demand. If you'd like to learn more about I highly suggest watching American Drug War you can find it part 1 here on youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMY_8OPDtH4

If your body is exposed to 420 chemicals when you smoke marijuana, how is that better for you than alcohol? Marijuana today is at least ten times stronger than it was in the 60's and 70's, and it does tremendous damage to the lungs with constant use, more than tobacco does. Anything to excess is bad for the body, whether it be caffeine, nicotine, marijuana, or alcohol, or even too much of the wrong food...there is the key>>> Anything to excess; is not good.


I used to be very narrow minded and completely against pot, but now that this thing has happened to me, I have actually researched it more. I used to be closed minded, and say the same things you guys did. But when you do real research from studies that are not coming from the DEA or police agencies, you find a lot of interesting things.

Id like to know what those 420 chemicals are and what they do to the body. And if there are 420 chemicals in a substance that comes from the ground, how many are in alcohol? I dont think that anyone denies the fact that marijuana is the lightest drug out there in comparison to crack and things of that magnitude. But the comparison of alcohol and marijuana is one that should be discussed because one is legal and the other is illegal; and about the same amount of people use each.

I will start out by saying that marijuana is not a "gateway" drug. That is a simple minded comment that is now being used by everyone against pot. There is a Harvard Teacher who did a lot of research on the issue and found that it is not a "gateway" drug. I'm sure many others have as well.... Thats the first to come to my brain right now lol.

It is just a coincidence that the people you knew who ended up on harder drugs, started with marijuana. They probably started there because it was the easiest and most practical drug to get at their young age. Marijuana did not make them try other drugs. It was probably their impulsive personality. I know way too many pot heads who have never done another drug in their life. I can not believe that people actually think the use of marijuana forces people to try other drugs. That it somehow gives people the urge to try other drugs. Why wouldn't alcohol do that? That is just such an absurd statement, it makes me laugh. Those facts are coming straight from the government. I feel badly for those who believe it.

Now regaurding health issues; I would argue, and would be correct in saying that alcohol causes far more health issues than marijuana ever will. And alcohol is legal.

I will also say that a lawyer I was speaking with who is recognized as one of the best trial lawyers in the US was telling me that in his 25 years, he has never seen someone commit a violent crime on marijuana; but has seen a ton of violent crimes and murders while people were under the influence of alcohol.....Now I will never claim that violent crimes have not been committed on marijuana; but I think with his experiences on the issue, I can conclude that it happens more often under the influence of alcohol. That is a good enough sample size for me to believe the statistics...

wow. Finally someone speaking with an informed and educated opinion. Thank you for that TwilightofIdols.. Man, that guy JuanitoAlimania is the typical ignorant american lol. It's really sad, because people like him are the reason these laws exist. It's funny how he can judge people like that. None of us know when we are going to die. We are all just trying to make the best of our life and be happy. Who are you people to tell others how to live their short time they have on earth? I just don't get it. Leave people alone, and your narrow minded opinions to yourself. If you think you know the "best or perfect" way to live; then do it. Try it out, and in the end, I hope you die happy, because that is what we all are striving for....

My guys drug of choice was pot. At first he was exactly like you describe your guy.... hardworking, responsible, ect. Over the years the decline was slow, and I didn't really notice how dependent he had become. Not on the drug itself, but on the effect it had on him. It became his only way to handle stress, bad days at work, our fights EVERYTHING. He started spending more and more money on pot, buying it behind my back, pawning CD's and DVD's for more money to buy. It got really bad. Finally, he hit bottom, and took our rent money to buy drugs. He smoked his brains out, and when there was no more money, no more pot, and still more stress he freaked out. He couldn't handle the mess he had made, and he resorted to B&E to get more money.
Hence why I'm on this site now.
Pot is bad, period.


Lol i understand how you can be upset and blaming pot for this, but think about what you are really saying. You are saying that anything that is addictive should be illegal..... So there goes sex, alcohol, gambling, and so many other things. Fuck you might as well make video games illegal. You know how many guys sit around all day playing those things? They spend money on all the latest sytems and games. Should playing video games be illegal too? Should you be put in jail for having sex? Sex ruins way more lives than pot. And I don't even think I need to explain myself on alcohol and gambling....

Lol i understand how you can be upset and blaming pot for this,
Pot became his coping method for everything. Not sex (I wish) alcohol, gambling or video games

but think about what you are really saying. You are saying that anything that is addictive should be illegal
I never said he was addicted to pot, I'm not sure thats possible.

..... So there goes sex, alcohol, gambling, and so many other things. Fuck you might as well make video games illegal. You know how many guys sit around all day playing those things? They spend money on all the latest sytems and games. Should playing video games be illegal too? Should you be put in jail for having sex? Sex ruins way more lives than pot. And I don't even think I need to explain myself on alcohol and gambling....


I'm not raging against potheads. I can see the benefits it has, and I can ever see that it is better for you than booze. I was answering the original question posted with my personal experience. I would imagine that the inquisitor would prefer an honest answer to someones rant. :thumbsup:

very true. I understand that. It is just that some people will take what you have said and use it in "their case" against the issue. And that is unfair, especially if you didn't mean it how they "want to hear it and interpret it." This is kind of similar to how the prosecutors and detectives twist words and evidence around to support one side of a story ;)

Exactly! :D

I am all for the weed. A hit a day takes my need for anti-depressants away.

eh its different for different people
some people cant handle it; some can
i was raised by hippie parents who were very big about all of the pros of the marijuana plant. me and my parents smoke all the time together! but im just fineee yeah when i was younger i abused it a bit; (shame on me) but as ive matured ive learned how to balance it with everyday life

COME ON NOW, I AM A 58YR OLD GRANDMA....I CAN BE ARRESTED FOR POT :( BUT OUT OF THE 13 RX'S I TAKE..9 ARE CLASS 2 DRUGS, AND ONE I GO DAILY TO THE HOSPITAL TO GET A SHOT ...MY PURSE IS SO FULL...AND I TAKE IT EVERYWHERE I GO....GRANTED OUR HOSP IS ONLY HALF A MILE AWAY...BUT I DRIVE THERE TO GET IT.....TAKE ME OFF THE DRUGS AND GIVE ME POT!!!!!!!!! :mad:

COME ON NOW, I AM A 58YR OLD GRANDMA....I CAN BE ARRESTED FOR POT :( BUT OUT OF THE 13 RX'S I TAKE..9 ARE CLASS 2 DRUGS, AND ONE I GO DAILY TO THE HOSPITAL TO GET A SHOT ...MY PURSE IS SO FULL...AND I TAKE IT EVERYWHERE I GO....GRANTED OUR HOSP IS ONLY HALF A MILE AWAY...BUT I DRIVE THERE TO GET IT.....TAKE ME OFF THE DRUGS AND GIVE ME POT!!!!!!!!! :mad:

I think you may be my grandma! Are you sure you don't have a long lost granddaughter out there... We may have to go on Maury for one of those DNA test shows... if not, at least we will get a free vacation, maybe a hollywood makeover, and we can watch TV in our fancy hotel suite on Maury's tab and laugh really hard together at things that really aren't funny and asked them to please excuse our behavior due to side effects from our cataract medicine.:thumbsup:

I think it has a lot of medicinal aspects which have positive effects. I doubt Obama will legalize it as the system. Although I think Clinton was considering an effort to do so. The Dems have wanted to put a control on it as so many people use it.

sarahh7778 , you are way too cute :D

If your body is exposed to 420 chemicals when you smoke marijuana, how is that better for you than alcohol? Marijuana today is at least ten times stronger than it was in the 60's and 70's, and it does tremendous damage to the lungs with constant use, more than tobacco does.
thats not true actually.

Pot should NOT be illegal in any way.
I want someone to prove to me it is addictive first of all.
I have smoked it plenty, but I haven't smoked it in a few years. I certainly didn't need to go to a rehab. I have no problem not smoking it.

;) my older children smoke it daily, if available...if it is not around...they are not paceing and going crazy without it....i would much rather they, "smoke" than do all the other hard core drugs out there, (which i have been through with my eldest son(now 40) what a mess that was !!!!

noone will ever convince we me it so bad...while battleing cancer...i smoked a little, which helped alot with the nausea.....i am 58 and damn well know what is addictive and not...i take alot of drugs, that are prescribed, some can be very addictive...xanax, klonipin, and morphine sulfate "msir"...i use them when needed...1 at a time...why would i want to be "high"....i just want to enjoy my family, and live my life, without such severe pain :(

Everyone has their own views on it- me personally I agree wit my man Katt williams- i have posted him before- remember if you do not agree wit cursen you will not like this and I do not reccommend you watch it--- but if you want a good laugh, click below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofdh0ElnNtg

i think pot should be legalized myself. the government has legalized alcohol. which is horrible for everybody in every way. oxycontin, morphine etc is the worst crap ever made. i have never heard of anyone ever nutting up on another or killing an innocent person on the roads as alcohol has way too many times.

<--- gots 12 candles I been meaning to burn

hungry, happy, sleepy, that's the side effects! love that katt williams.

hahaha my best friend was just arrested for felony POM and he straight up told the investigators, "Do you honestly think pot is worse than alcohol? Have you ever once seen anyone beat their wife after smoking a joint? Have you ever heard of anyone crashing a school bus full of kids because they were high?" After that...one actually complimented him on how "amazing" the weed they seized was and commented that it stunk up the entire precinct.

legalize it already, dammit! :D

I think pot should be legalized myself. the government has legalized alcohol. which is horrible for everybody in every way.
so what's it about pot that would make it any different or better? I'm of the train of thought that we've all have got to take personal responsibility and alcohol is legal, don't use it as an excuse when you fuck up, no one poured it down your throat. The fact is society can't handle alcohol consumption and the irresponsibility of its use, how are they going to handle legal pot smoking? Not the answer.

Though I do agree the sentences and fines for possession of weed are stupidand are not congruent with other offenses.

I personly smoke pot once in a while... Not every weekend nor once a month just random times.... I dont think smoking it once in a while is bad... But i dont think it should be legalized... There are way tooo many smokers and i just think the world would be a better place legalizing weed...but i dont think theres anything bad with it...

I lived in Texas from 1971 to 1999 and saw way too many people go to prison for small amounts of pot. It's ridiculous. I'm in Oregon now and am a medical marijuana patient due to my disability. I think pot should be legalized and all prisoners sent there for pot should be released immediately.

My boyfriend is incarcerated because of Pot. Weed, weed, weed. He had a full 4.0 GPA at the local university here, had a good job. Never was lazy. Did everything to perfection. And enjoyed his pot. It never hurt his social or work life. He sold it more than he smoked it though, but still smoked a lot. Of course with the profit he was bringing in, why not smoke for free?

Back to my original point though. It affects everyone differently. For me, it's mind over matter I believe.

Everyone thought it was weird because I was with this drug dealer and I NEVER DID DRUGS AT ALL. I never wanted too.

But he did.

Mind over matter. The younger you start, I believe it can take over your mind, and thats all you think about when it comes to "going out" or "having fun"
The older you are, you may use it for health problems. I see no problem with weed if you can control the urge. I don't think the drug itself is addictive, just what state of mind you are inw hile you do it can make it addictive. Those are my thoughts.

i smoked pot for the first time in my life after I met my bf....i honestly dont see anything wrong with it! the week before finals started was the last time I saw my baby before his court date (the campus didnt allow vistors during finals week) and so i was completely stressed out and everything so my roommates and eight others of us went out and smoked...why isn't it legal????????? i see absolutely no prb with it!

What the heck is the big deal? It's pot...not crack or heroin, just pot. Gate way drug? No such thing...if you move on to other drugs then that is your fault not the pot's. I have smoked for many yrs after work and after my son is in bed. It has helped me relax and get ready for bed, and yet I still manage to pay all of my bills, rent, take care of my man and son all by myself...so again I ask

WHAT THE HECK IS THE BIG DEAL IT'S ONLY POT!!!

I am all for the weed. A hit a day takes my need for anti-depressants away.

:)!!!!!! Oh yeah u couldn't have said any better!! There is nothing wrong with a little smoke up in ur lungs it could really ease ur mind:). I'm one who cAn handle it.

I think pot is bad ... It's illegal for a reason :-) 2 very, very, very close relatives of mine do it, and it breaks my heart.

I don't smoke, I use a vaporizer on a low setting so I get the most benefit from the THC. It's a very different feeling than when I was younger and smoked joints or used a pipe. I still don't see anything wrong with making it legal. People who become addicted generally have additive personalities. I've smoked since 1971 and have never felt addicted at any time. I smoked it when I had it, didn't smoke when I couldn't get any. Never made me rob anyone or commit a crime to get money to buy pot.

I love it myself
I've been around it literally all my life
At a holiday gathering, 99% of the time someone has some weed
I've even had my 78 year old grandmother hit the blunt...she likes it
What's the big deal...I laugh a lot, get the munchies, and pass out!
I hold a degree & I'm still continuing my education.
It's the best stress reliever!

I love it myself
I've been around it literally all my life
At a holiday gathering, 99% of the time someone has some weed
I've even had my 78 year old grandmother hit the blunt...she likes it
What's the big deal...I laugh a lot, get the munchies, and pass out!
I hold a degree & I'm still continuing my education.
It's the best stress reliever!

Lol go gramma :thumbsup: That was cute :)

Nothing wrong with smoking pot.

FREE THE WEED:hee:

I smoke every day. So do my parents and most of my other friends and family. I don't spend more than I can afford and all of my responsibilities are taken care of on time. I personally don't see the problem. I'd rather be around a pothead any day than an alcoholic, and alcohol is legal. Just my opinion.

Used to smoke a lot, but then my hubby was put in for it(those charges were dropped, but they kept him in on a prob. viol.)
I don't do it anymore, simply bc its illegal.
I did NOT in any way affect my life. I would wake up at 5:30a, take out and feed 5 dogs. Smoke, then get ready for work, be at work by 7:30a. Work either 8 or 11 hour days, 6 days a week. Smoke on my lunch break, and on the way home, or when I got home. Walk 5 dogs, feed again, cook dinner, and do school work for my associates. All while smoking. Then smoke before bed, and sometimes wake up in the middle of the night, smoke a little and go back to bed.

It was there, free, and my roommates(hubby and a friend) were almost always there, and smoking. I also have a lot of stomach problems, mostly feeling nauseous after eating, especially at night. Most of the meds that drs gave me have not so fun side effects. I also have anxiety issues. Smoking completely helped with both of these. It made me feel like a normal person again.

Personally, I think they should legalize it. But I'm not about to risk losing my freedom, after he already lost his, and I already lost him(for 3 years!)

Move to Cali get a script, and go to the nearest marihuana outlet, and smoke it while you are walking your dogs, the man can do nothing. Just like taking prescription medicine

Lol, the thought has crossed my mind! Maybe later on in life, but I've gotta stick close to my man right now ;)

I don't smoke but I could care less if others do. I just wish the gov would make it legal then my husband could come home. Stupid SOBs taking my sons father away for one oz.

wow a lot of ppl posted to this thread! Sooo thought I would put my two cents worth as well. If pot were legall I would smoke it on occasion for sure. I don't see anything wrong with it as long as it does not controll your life. If you still go to work...have a sucessfull life (not DEPENDANT on pot) then I do think it is ok BESIDES it being illegal!
I also think if they would just legallize it here in Ontario our province coudl get out of debt a lot faster! I think drinking is A LOT more dangerouse than alcohol thats for sure!
Anyway thats just my opinion on the subject.

Alot of you say there is nothing wrong with smoking pot, I use to smoke it along time ago also. But it is illegal and can land you in prison so I guess my answer would be yes it is a bad thing.

Smoke if u want to.....dont if you dont want to.....very simple! No reason for penalties though. :(

Alot of you say there is nothing wrong with smoking pot, I use to smoke it along time ago also. But it is illegal and can land you in prison so I guess my answer would be yes it is a bad thing.

I understand its illegal but I think if it were to become legalized it wouldnt be a bad thing cept maybe theyd try to increase the price to ludicrous amounts because they know theyd make a fortune :thumbsup:

KevsWife7 - I am totally with you on that. Our situations almost sound identical. I don't smoke anymore since it is illegal & have had friends who have suffered harsh punishments for something I don't believe to necessarily be a bad thing. It really helped me with my anxiety & stomach-related issues, without side effects....unless you consider being happier than normal, more relaxed, & having munchies a BAD thing. :)

I always made sure I was in good company, in my home, whenever I did smoke. I earned my bachelor's degree, worked 60-70 hr weeks in a "boiler-room" type of career, and started working on my master's degree. The only reason I decided to stop smoking was because my roommate had suffered a harsh penalty for being caught, and I no longer wanted to risk all my hard work simply because I smoked some marijuana everyday. That is truly the only reason I stopped. Honestly, I thought it really helped me. The stress levels at my work, I think, can be MORE harmful to my body than the weed I smoked to calm that stress. I really don't understand why it's illegal in the first place.

I think it's a great idea if it was legalized and the government taxed it like they do cigarettes. I am willing to bet marijuana tax would cover a big chunk of the $700 billion stimulus package we just dished out, if it was legal & if all of the stereotypes that people have surrounding marijuana would be corrected. All of the "hype" surrounding weed & how terrible it supposedly is was created in the 1940s and 50s by tobacco companies who did not want the cannabis competition. Also, these myths were supported by many government politicians who were receiving millions of dollars in campaign donations from tobacco companies for backing up the false rumors.

Close to 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning.
Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking.
By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose.

For more information & to learn the TRUTH about marijuana, please visit the website www dot norml dot org

well said freebrianw
i think its nice when people put informative reason behind their post

There are irresponsible pot smokers, and then there are the functioning kind. I did not read all 17 pages, but just the first few posts, and it sounds to me like the initial thread starter would fall in the category of a "functioning marijuana user". I started off using marijuana on a recreational basis at 12 years old. I am 30 years old today. I have been using it for 18 years fairly consistently. I have ADHD and Pannic Disorder and if you take away the legal aspect of marijuana use, I have certainly been self medicating all these years. The important part of that statement is that I have been doing it to "MEDICATE".

I have a < 3.0 GPA, hold down a good job and pay taxes, child support, and see my son and his mother (engaged) on a daily basis. It dawned on me one day that my use of marijuana is not for shits and giggles. It's not because I want to be rebellious or rage against the machine. I use marijuana simply because it helps me get motivated, stay on task, and relieves depression like symptoms I surely developed from too much drug use (MDA, MDMA, LSD, DMT, 2CB) all designer drugs I manufactured for myself and others. I did a lot of harm to my body and I deeply regret the choices I have made. I have to take responsibilitie for making these drugs readily available to others. These choices can not be undone, and the responsibility of these actions comes with consequences that I have been facing for many years now.

Many of the drugs I abused act on the serotonin and dopamine receptors that control emotions. Overuse of these drugs shuts down those receptor sites from transmitting and receiving neurotransmitters, allowing us to feel good/happy. Overtime, this may improve providing abstince is practiced. I have no used any drug other than cannabis for approximately 5 years and the thought of going within 100 yards of any of these drugs is enough to induce a pannic attack. I want nothing more to do with these compounds.

Marijuana is not a cure all, and it too has it's negative effects, but in comparison to the Adderall (D- Amphetamine) that I was prescribed for ADHD, or the incredibly physicaly addictive properties of SSRI medications that often change an individual into someone completely new (sometimes a suicidal version of the old you) you have to consider the good over the bad. Over the past few years I have been prescribed so many lab made medications it makes me sick just thinking about it. Theres certainly a financial component to pharmacuetical companies keeping a substance you can grow alongside your tomatoes and peppers, from becoming legal.

As for the people in this thread wagging their finger saying bad bad bad, marijuana = illegal so your a bad person if you use it.. your obviously not educated people. Our first president grew and used marijuana, was he "bad"? Our past three presidents have used marijuana at least once, are they "bad"? It's a victimless crime if the user is using the substance in a way that is safe and responsible. And if that is the case, it shouldn't be a crime at all.

Im not advocating for people to break the law, but the law surrounding marijuana use is outdated. I no longer smoke marijuana because of the legal situation I am in, but I have shared my feelings about it with my physicians and they all agree that there is great benefit for some people in it's use. Because of that I have been prescribed Marinol and while it's not as beneficial to me as Marijuana, it's better than nothing and it does allow me to stay focused on the task at hand.

Case in point, this post. I am currently "under the influence" of THC from the Marinol, yet I was able to compose a well rounded synopsis of my views and experiences without getting distracted or disinterested. I have no intentions of driving around town today and no one is in danger because of my actions. However I will probably order a pizza at some point and contribute to the food service industry with my purchase.

There used to be this thing called, "compassion for others". If you don't understand what someone is going through medically, then recognize that your in no postion to pass judgement.

-HoH

it aint bad... you ever heard of someone who smokes starting a fight and killing someone? ever heard of someone who smokes wrecking and killing anyone? the only thing they do when they get high is eat everything in sight and laugh...

I suppose it depends on how well the person can control themselves. I personally used to smoke all the time.. then I'd start other drugs til I was drug free and started over again... it was my gateway drug as corny as that sounds. It's bad news for me but I know plenty of successful people who can smoke when it's there, etc. I think that as long as the bills are paid, food's on the table and there's gas in the tank letting loose is okay... I also don't see why weed can't be legal as long as it has the same penalties as alcohol. You cannot smoke and drive as it does impair judgement and if you want to lose brain cells that's your thing.

I want to smoke some right now! Ha ha! I have not in a while. It really makes me calm.

I have posted before in this thread that I think it makes more sense to legalize and tax marijuana than keep it illegal.
I think that times are a changing and now it is looking like the government is getting smart. Oregon is considering growing the medical marijuana here so they can tax it and control it. It would also be much safer, since people often target medical growers and users for robbery.

I personally don't care for it...never liked it, but don't have a problem with those that do. Interesting though, because I was in court last week...while waiting, I sat through many other cases. This one guy was there for a probation revocation hearing. He had violated by failing his drug test for marijuana. When he argued he had a problem with (addicted to) marijuana...& requested rehab over jail time, the judge said there are NO findings that marijuana was addicting. Therefor she denied his request for rehab & sent him to jail. People can be addicted to alcohol & other drugs....but not marijuana, yet alcohol is legal. So what's the point in not legalizing it? Personally, I feel alcohol is much more "dangerous" than marijuana (when used eccesively). I was a bartender for years. I've seen waaaaay more people act a damn fool (& put their's & others lives at risk) by drinking, than I have people who get high smoking marijuana.

Many of you here know my ex-boyfriend is an addict. His drug of choice, whatever he can get his hands on, except weed. I have never seen him smoke pot.

I recently met this new guy, who's only drug of choice is pot. He doesn't drink, doesn't do pills, has a good job, pays his bills on time, goes to work everyday.

So tell me how many of you think smoking pot is a bad thing?

I personally think Pot is great for medical & all purposes(baking etc) Oregon is looking into making a difference in legalizing Marijuana which I think is the answer to PEACE not WAR :D
Pot being the gateway drug is something I kinda disagree with, its up to the individual user to use other drugs!!

Well, thats a big question right there. theres deffenetly pros and cons to it. I say your either for it or not. Personally, I think it should be legalized the same way beer or alchoal is legal. The amount of money our goverment spends to put away people that smoke weed is absolutly ridiculous. Whens the last time you heard "Car Crash, people killed.. Driver smoked weed"? Not that I condone driving while intoxicated in any sort, thats not my point. My point is that if beer and liqour is legal, why isnt weed??? Do I think its wrong, no.. but yea, it does have some cons. My opinion is that, if you find it morally wrong.. then dont be around it. I hope that this doesnt start some great debate. Im just very passionate about it.
BTW - I dont smoke it. Just in case you all where wondering if thats why I suported it. ;)

I agree with you on this!!!!!!!!!


I understand its illegal but I think if it were to become legalized it wouldnt be a bad thing cept maybe theyd try to increase the price to ludicrous amounts because they know theyd make a fortune :thumbsup:

It's definitely hard to generalize. I know people that just smoke and sit around all day, then I know people who are going to grad school who use it almost everyday. And smoking? That's just out of the loop, haha, ever heard of vaporizing? Much healthier.