View Full Version : Lets prosecute a 8 year old for pointing a toy gun!


David
03-05-2002, 04:50 PM
This is how pathetic some prosecutors are getting! Anything for a notch? Guess kids cannot be kids any longer...

:pissed:


Ann Arbor News

An 8-year-old Whitmore Lake boy is facing criminal charges for pointing a toy gun at three other youngsters and threatening to shoot them.

Even though the incident involved a toy gun, the Washtenaw County Prosecutor's Office said, Tommy Davis' intent was to threaten and scare the other children. The boy, who was 7 at the time of the incident, has a hearing on three felonious assault charges next week in Washtenaw County Juvenile Court.

"I think it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard," said Lisa Davis, Tommy's mother. "This is a waste of taxpayers' money. I didn't think it was against the law to have a toy gun. Doesn't the police department have anything better to do than to take complaints from kids who have a dispute with other kids?"

Davis said her son had several run-ins with one of the children before the Dec. 6 incident that occurred after school in their Northfield Estates Mobile home community park.

Northfield Township Police Lt. Dennis Gruschow said the age of an individual does not prevent an investigation when a complaining witness wants to pursue prosecution.

"The police department must investigate allegations of any type of criminal offense," Gruschow said. "We turn over what we have to the prosecutor's office and they make the call on whether to charge an individual."

Children as young as 7 can be charged based on a Michigan Court of Appeals decision, said Washtenaw County Assistant Prosecutor Donald Ray, who heads the prosecutor's office at Juvenile Court.

The court holds that a child under 7 is not able to form an intent to commit a crime, but a 7-year-old child can form the intent and therefore can be charged.

Tommy told The News that on the day of the incident, he and a friend were riding their bikes to another part of the mobile home park when he saw the three children. He said he took the gun out of his pocket.

"I just pointed the gun at them," he recalled this week. "I don't know if I said anything bad at them, but they got scared."

A Northfield Township police report said the three children, two of whom were 7 and one 6, were on Turquoise Drive, near Barker Road, when Tommy Davis "pulled out a gun and pointed it at them and said he was going to shoot them."

Tommy Davis, according to the report, said he never told the children he was going to shoot or kill them, but did tell one of them, "don't fight me anymore."

An adult resident driving by saw a child pull a gun "from underneath his jacket and point it at the other children," the report said. The witness saw one child lying on the ground and another with hands raised in the air. When the child with the gun saw the adult, he ran away. The witness, who went over to the children, said one was "crying hysterically saying he was going to shoot us."

Tommy Davis is charged with three counts of assault with a dangerous weapon. For adults, the maximum penalty for the charge carries up to four years in prison. For juveniles, it's up to the judge's discretion.

Ray said the boy could get anything from probation to a stay in juvenile detention.

Liz Cobbs can be reached at lcobbs@annarbornews.com or by calling (734) 994-6810.

Ann Arbor News

sherri13
03-06-2002, 09:19 AM
This is totally ridiculous!! While I certainly do not think an eight year old (or anyone for that matter) should go around pointing a gun (real or fake) at people, the charges are totally outrageous. I think he needs a verbal reprimand, education on the potential consequences of such behavior, and maybe restriction from his playstation 2 or gameboy. And he probably should apologize to the kids he scared. But anything beyond that, in my opinion, is not warranted.

sherri

Budwoman
03-06-2002, 01:31 PM
This absolutely makes me sick..... What have we come to?
Are our children at fault for the world today? It's bad enough to proscute a 15 year old as an adult, why are we stooping to the process of prosecuting a 7 year old for having a toy gun.

Our kids must be kids for awhile. They are expected to know everything at 7?

I'm not so sure that our children aren't smarter than the people we have in office and who are in the legal system. Maybe that is why they want to prosecute kids.

jdswifey02
03-06-2002, 08:10 PM
That story absolutely shocks and scares me. At work the other day I discovered that a 6 year old boy had been hospitalized in a psychiatric hospital for a month for "threat to harm to others." I searched and searched for a record of how he had endangered others. I finally found my answer and was equally disgusted.... He formed his hand into a "pretend" gun and said "I shoot you dead" to a stranger. For this he is hospitalized and medicated?? I don't have children (yet...:) ) But I would hope everyone would have enough sense to know what is a real "problem" behavior and what is not. Guess that just isn't so!!

Amelia
03-07-2002, 11:16 AM
You have got to be kidding! This is a joke right?? I have a little girl who is 6 years old and in anger she has told her brother I am going to Kill you...should i call the police??!!?? Come on these are the situations that parents must address in order to teach the ways to handle different events in a chils life! It is so sad when the government steps in when it is not needed but turnsd its back when it is...I think the prosecutor should fous on all the children being abused rather than abusing children themselves..I am sure this little boy will carry this forever..I ask everyone to pray for him and his family in this terrible time..and also pray for the law enforcement and prosecutor to be enlightened and Grow UP themselves...Focus on the real problems!!!

Amelia
03-07-2002, 11:18 AM
was this little boy arressted???

David
03-07-2002, 12:10 PM
I believe he was but is out pending "trial". He faces juvenile jail if he were to be convicted.. :cuffs: BTW.. Juvi is about the worst place you can put a kid.. If they were not criminal when they went in, chances are they will come out with new criminal skills and tendencies..
As the spotlight gets brighter on this case I have a feeling/hope that the charges are DROPPED! The prosecutor pursuing them should be charged as far as I am concerned.

Maybe I can get her info and email.. :D Then we can all email him/her and let them know how we feel.. I know I will..

David
:argh

David
03-07-2002, 06:30 PM
Here is another link to this story. I have not read it yet and am on the move so I am just cutting & pasting right now.

http://www.paxtonland.com/archives/001563.html

jdswifey02
03-07-2002, 08:55 PM
I was glad to hear that the charges were dropped (one mistake actually being acknowledged and corrected) but still appalled about the mother of one of the kids that is still upset that the kid ISN'T being prosecuted. If she can't teach her kid to cope with playing with other kids, how exactly does she think he will be able to cope with the rest of life? Because we all know he will have to face much bigger and more difficult situations than that!