I've heard that conjical visits are not allowed in California any longer??? Does anyone know if this is true and/or for what reason?

It's true they don't have conjugal visits in California. I did read something awhile back that some of the minimum custody places might still have it but I don't know if that's true or not. The reason for taking that away is the tougher stance the politicians convinced the public they should take on these prisoners they portrayed as living it up at the taxpayer expense, basically. But the reasons they probably give to the public are budget cuts and security risks.

No, it's not true!! There is still conjual visiting in California. The program is allowed for those who have a release date. And is not allowed for inmates who have a life sentence, drug traffic'ing charge while in prison or inmates who are charged with a sex crime.


KellyA.

Thanks for clarifying that for us, Cheetoes. I knew I read somewhere that some inmates still had it, but that it had been taken away from a lot of the prisoners who used to have it.

Thanks guys! So basically it's been taken away from lifers right? Cause my husband is at a max security prison but we're hoping they still have them:)

Yes, there is still family visits at the level 4 prisons.


KellyA.

Thank gooodness for that! Thanks all!

Conjugals, did someone say conjugals. Oh hell, I forgot. Mine is in Fed. Carry on. :D

Don't mean to sound ignorant but, where/what is Fed?

sorry asia, my husband is in the federal prison system. They do not have legal conjugals. ;)

Damn, that sucks for you . :) Sorry to hear that.

Hello were did you find out about anyone with sex crimes are not allowed to get them .So it would be the same as a ssex offender.To not get conjucal visits

for sure Life without Parole-No Conjugal Visits....
i think if you're married and have a parole date, you get
conjugals 3 or 4 times per year.
Peace out.
amy

Yep, conjugal visits- or family visits; or the guys in there call them a weekend at the bone yard..... are every 3 months. If you have a flexable schedule- you can be asked to be put on a waiting list, and if someone calls at the last minute to cancel, you can take their spot. I've been told people gets visits like this about every 6 weeks. The visits are from Friday morning until Sunday morning; and he needs to buy food from the prison before the visit, and they charge him 65 dollars; so he needs that money on his books.
I don't know if sex offenders can get conjugals... I think it depends on the crime,... have you look it up in the title 15 yet?

Does anyone know - does a 108-year to life sentence count as "life," and therefore, ineligible for conjugal visits? And I heard that this situation of lifers not being allowed conjugal visits is going through the courts as we speak, to get them reinstated. Anyone know the answers to these 2 questions? Thanks.

I guess I should have added, the sentence is 4 counts at 25 years to life each, to be served consecutively. Also, he is in the SHU at Pelican Bay, which may or may not make a difference. Do guys in the SHU get conjugal visits?

Song, I do not think so...any sentence with life at the end- as far as I understand it- does not qualify for family visits. You have to have an actually parole date- even if it is in 50 years, but you have to have that date, to get family visits

Hello All!!
There are conjucal visits in Calif. I have one every 28 days. There are restrictions for sure!! You do not live it up when you are at the "bone yard" as its called. You eat all frozen food with exceptions to people with Doctors notes. There is count every 4 hours, 24 hours a day!!! Its hell when the phone rings for your mate to come out at 4 in the morning and you are sound asleep, but its worth it. Some of the restrictions that will keep you from getting conjucal visits are, domestic violence, rape, life term, molestation and i'm sure there are many more reasons. Although every prison has its own set of rules for their visits. I hope that I can help anybody that has any questions about this. Just pm me and I will answer any questions I can. Thanks~~ KJsTT

:confused: DOES A INMATE THAT GETS MARRIED WHILE INSIDE GET THE ABILITY TO HAVE THOSE FAMILY VISITS?

Yes, inmates who are married in prison can have family visits.


KellyA.

NO one in the state of California gets a conjugal visits if they are a lifer. Just becuase you have a parole date that also does not entitle you to a conjugal visit. Your conjugal visits are based on your crime. You can be in for a felony crime and still have a parole date but if you used a weapon they can deny the conjugal visit because you are considered dangerous. But the most common reasons family visits will always be denied are for rapists, sexual offenders, child molesters, murderers, lifers, domestic violence. I have known people in that were there for a robbery but were denied for conjugal visits because a weapon was used. I do apologize if i may be incorrect but twh 4 prisons i have dealt with did not allow my husband to have conjugal visits. Also if they had a domestic violence charge and the prison did not catch it before the inmate when it and its discovered after they will teminate all famiyl visits.




Song, I do not think so...any sentence with life at the end- as far as I understand it- does not qualify for family visits. You have to have an actually parole date- even if it is in 50 years, but you have to have that date, to get family visits

Closed custody inmates are not allowed family visits too.

On the California ballot in November, there will be 2 initiatives on the ballot which will seriously effect your incarcerated loved ones… Prop 6 and Prop 9

Prop 9 is called Marsy’s law

The original draft actually stated “contact visits and cable tv”, etc... The proposal has been watered down and what people need to understand is that it is written to take away the privileges given to incarcerated loved ones… If this passes, all visits could be behind glass. This is very real and it can happen!

In section 4, #5 it states…

(5) Victims of crime have collectively shared the right to expect that persons convicted of committing criminal ac are sufficiently punished in both the manner and the length of the sentences imposed by the courts of the State of California. This right includes the right to expect that the punitive and deterrent effect of custodial sentences imposed by the courts will not be undercut or diminished by the granting of rights and privileges to prisoners that are not required by the provision of the United States Constitution or by the laws of this state to be granted to any person incarcerated in a penal or other custodial facility in this state as a punishment or correction for the commission of a crime.

This is negatively (severely) your incarcerated loved one. WAKE UP and let people know they need to vote NO…

This is touted as a ‘victims rights bill” and will get sympathy voters --- But it is truly someone paying for voters to apply vigilante revenge for the loss.

Here is a link to the initiative! (read it with OPEN eyes!)

http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i771_07-0100_a1ns.pdf

I get my FV's every 30 days. My Hubbie is at a fire camp...I don't order food..I bring it in. I guess that is just another perk for being at a fire camp.

To the lady who asked about if your hubbie is in the SHU.. No they do not get FV's until they have completed the program.

Now, the important question --- are you educating your family, friends and coworkers about Prop 6 and especially Prop 9.

You family visits will disappear and so will regular contact visits, if they have their way with Prop 9.

EDUCATE VOTERS!

It is soooo important to vote, especially on prop. 6 & 9. For those of you who are not registered to vote you can always register online. But you must register soon before it is too late.

Thanks Linda for the reminder on the vote!

Try this:

http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i771_07-0100_a1ns.pdf (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i771_07-0100_a1ns.pdf)

If it doesn't work, go to the State of California home page,
then Elections and Voter Info
then Ballot Measure Update
then scroll down to Prop 6 and Prop 9

This is soooo important. You can't tell enough people!

Ok.... so I'm trying to figure out if my husband will be eligible for a visit and his charge is in the middle from what I read. He has battery/participating in a criminal street gang. No weapons used. Do they allow any violent offenses get family visits?

OMG I just read up on the prop 6 and 9 stuff and its scary.... I'm not quite understanding how they will take away the contact visits, but its all intimidating considering I haven't even started to get them and they may be taken. Then the prop 6.... My husbands charge is gang related and it would basically screw him if he ever got in more of the same kind of trouble.... People really hate prisons and prisoners don't they?

I don't think people actually hate prisons and prisoners. It's just that so many of them have been fed the b.s. from legislators that prisoners are ready, willing, and able to get out and commit many more violent crimes, that people don't stop to think for themselves anymore. If you have people with unlimited budgets going on about how there will be a huge crime wave if they let out 20,000 inmates early, then the people who are only able to talk with bullhorns aren't heard. Therefore, the truth that only those who are already slated to be let out in the next 2-6 months would really be let out goes unnoticed.

Plus, the media puts so much attention on the few heinous cases that everyone begins to believe ALL crimes are that bad. The cases aren't tried in the courtrooms anymore, they're tried on the evening news, in the newspapers, and on the internet. Before a juror ever gets into the courtroom, he already has heard all the soundbytes that the two sides have put out there. Of course they have an opinion already.

Right now in Florida, a 15 year old boy is being tried as an adult in a rape/murder case. The comments that appeared after that article were enough to turn my stomach, with many calling for bullets. One even said that people of a certain type should just turn their babies in at the prison the day after giving birth! Real smart people there.

Doesn't the R stand for Rehabilitation??? I am EXTREMELY sorry for the victims...but this law focuses only on PUNISH... not good...

I dont know, personally to me, it seems rediculous to try and take away our contact and family visits. How does that really help or even related to victims rights? these victims arent going to be visiting people in prison or having family visits with people in prison, so why do they care what kind of visits they get? this whole proposition is rediculous, its making it look like every person in the cdc system is the worst of the worst. i understand the victims, but damn. and people wonder why california is known as the prison state... because of crazy laws like this. but really, how does our visits affect the victims? why do they care? does anyone else agree?

I totally agree! It is ridiculous!




I dont know, personally to me, it seems rediculous to try and take away our contact and family visits. How does that really help or even related to victims rights? these victims arent going to be visiting people in prison or having family visits with people in prison, so why do they care what kind of visits they get? this whole proposition is rediculous, its making it look like every person in the cdc system is the worst of the worst. i understand the victims, but damn. and people wonder why california is known as the prison state... because of crazy laws like this. but really, how does our visits affect the victims? why do they care? does anyone else agree?

Does anyone know what the chances are that 6 or 9 will pass? Can we find opinions anywhere about this? Both of these props scare the heck out of me!

I am a family member of a victim of a violent crime, and 90% of the rights offered in this bill were afforded to us during the 2007 trial. There are a few things that would have been helpful to us, such as protection from the defendant and his family during court proceedings, but the punitive element that would affect all prisoners far outweighs the few additional benefits to victims. I will be voting no.

I just don't see how the prison system would actually go for the no visit thing. As far as I've heard the prison knows that those visits are very beneficial for the inmates, it would do more harm than good taking them away. I don't see how either of the props could pass.... They seem so ridiculous and unnecessary.

I think it is very likely that they will pass because very few people read the fine print, but many sections appear to be unconstitution and I anticipate a number of legal challenges.

i told my dad about all of this and he said the same thing, it will most likely pass, but people will take that section to court saying its unconstitutional. probably cruel and unusual punishment because of taking away contact visits. then it will be thrown out. and i agree with what someone above me said, contact visits are beneficial, taking them away out be catastrophic. and if it passes, and any of us want to take it to court, i will be right there with you, because thats rediculous, cruel and unsual, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of that bill.

I agree that they both have a good chance of passing. That's why you have to get out there and scream at the top of your lungs, NO! I truly believe that victims of crime and their families should have a voice, and should be notified if the assailant is released. But I do not think that keeping people in jail longer, taking away their visits and making them wait up to 15 years for another Parole hearing is helping any victim or their family. When are we going to get it through the heads of these legislators that we need to start REHABILITATING these prisoners?? "Tough on crime" and victims rights aside, we don't have the money to fund these! With our budget the way it is, not only are these Propositions bad for our families and loved ones that are incarcerated, they are going to cost the state billions more dollars that we do not have.

I thought I read somewhere that it isn't constitutionally required though.... Thats why they can take it away. Its a scary thought, no more visits without glass in between. I just hope it doesn't pass at all.
i told my dad about all of this and he said the same thing, it will most likely pass, but people will take that section to court saying its unconstitutional. probably cruel and unusual punishment because of taking away contact visits. then it will be thrown out. and i agree with what someone above me said, contact visits are beneficial, taking them away out be catastrophic. and if it passes, and any of us want to take it to court, i will be right there with you, because thats rediculous, cruel and unsual, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of that bill.

i agree... we have to stick together and vote NO!

The bill requires that victim's family members be allowed to participate in all court proceedings. During our trial last year, I was not allowed to attend the preliminary hearing and I was the first witness for the prosecution in the main trial. Since I was subject to recall by both sides I was not allowed in the cortroom again until closing arguments. Although I would have liked to be there to offer moral support to my other family members that were testifying, allowing me to would have compromised the defendant's right to a fair trial and could have been a reversable error on appeal. That's the reason I think the bill will be thrown out as unconstitutional if it passes.

My hubby is LWOP and does not get family visits. Now they are trying to put him in the SHU for good and that will make it so we do not receive contact visits either.

We need to start making noise - start letter writing campaigns, calls etc... Either family members will make themselves heard or they will be contributing to the problem. If you don't get involved NOW, we will all loose!

Being involved doesn't mean going to rallies.... But, letting your voice be heard, it is being involved. Every person on the California thread should write their congressman and their local news tv, radio, etc and every editior in every major city. Instead of complaining about not getting to see him this weekend, write a letter about how 3 strikes has harmed you and your family and how this initiative will cost taxpayers and how it goes against any sort of rehabilitation efforts. Fight to end the madness that is keeping our loved ones locked up.

WRITE A LETTER and mass mail it. Have everyone you know do the samething. Send it every week - inindate them with our voices... Never stop. We are a large part of the voting pool... Tell them you will work to keep them out of office in the next round. And don't vote for anyone who doesn't want to hear or help us.

Change your Signature to "Shout it out loud", then everywhere you post it will raise awarness...

I believe they will listen if they hear enough voices.... Do you have a voice to be heard?



On the California ballot in November, there will be 2 initiatives on the ballot which will seriously effect your incarcerated loved ones… Prop 6 and Prop 9

Prop 9 is called Marsy’s law

The original draft actually stated “contact visits and cable tv”, etc... The proposal has been watered down and what people need to understand is that it is written to take away the privileges given to incarcerated loved ones… If this passes, all visits could be behind glass. This is very real and it can happen!

In section 4, #5 it states…

(5) Victims of crime have collectively shared the right to expect that persons convicted of committing criminal ac are sufficiently punished in both the manner and the length of the sentences imposed by the courts of the State of California. This right includes the right to expect that the punitive and deterrent effect of custodial sentences imposed by the courts will not be undercut or diminished by the granting of rights and privileges to prisoners that are not required by the provision of the United States Constitution or by the laws of this state to be granted to any person incarcerated in a penal or other custodial facility in this state as a punishment or correction for the commission of a crime.

This is negatively (severely) your incarcerated loved one. WAKE UP and let people know they need to vote NO…

This is touted as a ‘victims rights bill” and will get sympathy voters --- But it is truly someone paying for voters to apply vigilante revenge for the loss.

Here is a link to the initiative! (read it with OPEN eyes!)

http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i771_07-0100_a1ns.pdf

I am sorry to hear that your a victim. =( but thank you for all your useful information on this matter and understanding that this is not the way to go. I better undertstand what these prpositions mean due to your info. thanks again:thumbsup: Vote no on proposition 6 and 9


The bill requires that victim's family members be allowed to participate in all court proceedings. During our trial last year, I was not allowed to attend the preliminary hearing and I was the first witness for the prosecution in the main trial. Since I was subject to recall by both sides I was not allowed in the cortroom again until closing arguments. Although I would have liked to be there to offer moral support to my other family members that were testifying, allowing me to would have compromised the defendant's right to a fair trial and could have been a reversable error on appeal. That's the reason I think the bill will be thrown out as unconstitutional if it passes.

Yep, conjugal visits- or family visits; or the guys in there call them a weekend at the bone yard..... are every 3 months. If you have a flexable schedule- you can be asked to be put on a waiting list, and if someone calls at the last minute to cancel, you can take their spot. I've been told people gets visits like this about every 6 weeks. The visits are from Friday morning until Sunday morning; and he needs to buy food from the prison before the visit, and they charge him 65 dollars; so he needs that money on his books.
I don't know if sex offenders can get conjugals... I think it depends on the crime,... have you look it up in the title 15 yet?

What/Where is title 15?

i have a silly question but how do you apply for conjacles or hows does you spouse my husband was told he qualifies but we dont know how to go about it?????
thanks for any info
mean lil kitty

Your husband has to apply for them in there first...then they will determine whether or not he is approved to have them. Since he was already told that he qualifies for them...you shouldnt have a problem. Another way you can find out information is by calling the Family Visit Cordinator at the facility he is at and ask on what the procedures are. They are usually very helpful. :)



i have a silly question but how do you apply for conjacles or hows does you spouse my husband was told he qualifies but we dont know how to go about it?????
thanks for any info
mean lil kitty

Yep, conjugal visits- or family visits; or the guys in there call them a weekend at the bone yard..... are every 3 months. If you have a flexable schedule- you can be asked to be put on a waiting list, and if someone calls at the last minute to cancel, you can take their spot. I've been told people gets visits like this about every 6 weeks. The visits are from Friday morning until Sunday morning; and he needs to buy food from the prison before the visit, and they charge him 65 dollars; so he needs that money on his books.
I don't know if sex offenders can get conjugals... I think it depends on the crime,... have you look it up in the title 15 yet?

What/Where is title 15?


For some reason I can't copy and paste the title 15 link. Just go to google and type in Title 15 and it will come up. It is the California code of regulations.

hey what up with this i got married last december a we have not got one. yes he's a lifer been in 18years:confused:

for sure Life without Parole-No Conjugal Visits....
i think if you're married and have a parole date, you get
conjugals 3 or 4 times per year.
Peace out.
amy

:cool:any one like to get to know a good man or one of your girlfriends?

Lifers do not get family visits/conjugal visits... EVER... they were taken from them in 1996


hey what up with this i got married last december a we have not got one. yes he's a lifer been in 18years:confused: