Morning Ladies!! I had a great visit this weekend. We drove up on Saturday night and stayed in Jackson. It took us exactly 3 hours to get there. On Sunday we got to Mule Creek about 7:30. There was a short line of people. I waited in line while my mother in law and my daughter waited in the car. At 8:00 we walked up to the door and the line quickly grew. At 8:30 the opened the doors and we were numbers 18 and 19! I couldn’t believe it. At 8:50 we were being checked in!!! I did have to go back to the car once. I had brought two cans of the ready to eat formula. But they said I could not take that in. I was ready though I had a can of the powder kind in the car. I asked if I could that in. They said to just put the formula in the bottles and take it in that way. By 9:20 we were inside and my husband was in the visiting room holding our daughter.

I could not believe how efficient they were there. We have been to 4 other prisons to visit him (he did 4 years and is back on a new charge) and this was by far the most pleasant experience we have had. I was so impressed that I had to comment to one of the CO’s.

The visiting room filled up quick!!! I saw many people get their visit terminated. We stayed until 3pm. I do have to say that by 2pm, I was tired and hot and wanted to leave but I wanted my husband to spend as much time with Iliana as he could.

There were two things that I didn’t like 1. you can not stand outside you have to keep walking and 2. it is SOOOO hot in the visiting room. Now I know to wear a short sleeved shirt. I think next time I will just leave my house at 6 or 7 to get there like at 10. I can’t wait to got back to see him again!!

Thank you everyone for all the helpful information!!! It definatley made this visit go as smooth as possible!!

Which yard did you visit? I was waiting for your post. Yeah you keep walking on the patio. We stand and hug till the CO comes and yell at us. Any pictures?

When are you visiting next?

He is in A yard. I plan to go back up on the 12th. I have pictures. I just need to scan them. My sister has the scanner! I will put one up when I get a chance.

You need to try the burgers from the vendor. Not bad for that kinda food.

Isn't the lady CO in there the coolest? As long as you don't push it too much she don't care if you kiss and hug a lot.

You need to try the burgers from the vendor. Not bad for that kinda food.

Isn't the lady CO in there the coolest? As long as you don't push it too much she don't care if you kiss and hug a lot.


That is too funny!! I totally noticed that. There was a coulple that I noticed especially. There were too cute. They would be walking outside anad they would stop and kiss and they had there arms around each other while walking. Most places dont allow any of that. I was nervous though cause you never know how the CO's are gonna be at a new place so I didnt kiss and hug him too much. It is so hard because it is sooooooo natural to wanna kiss my baby!! A couple of times we had to stop ourselves. :blush: Now that I know though I will be kissing him all day!!:D

eiilopez:

I'm glad your visit went well. I'm in A yard too and I was there last weekend. I'll look out for you on the 12th. A yard is totally cool. The CO is a blessing. =o)

I'm really happy for you! Take Care. =o)

Where you there on Sunday? I wonder if I saw you!

I would love to say hi to you if I go there but my bf is crazy (men). He gets paranoid so oh well. I don't visit often coz of $$$ and distance issue. But if I'm there and you are there, we're the couple that's always kissing and hugging. lol. He's Mexican and I'm the white girl that looks Mexican with long hair.
take care.

I was there on Sunday. We took a little break from the girls and walked around outside. I'm probably the tallest female in visiting. I take the girls every other weekend. The opposite weekends we are alone. =o)

If you see us on the 12th come by and say hi. My love isn't crazy. lol I totally understand babypam though because we have gone through it in the past and believe me it is only for your protection. Hopefully he will learn that not all of us are the same.

Take Care Ladies . . . I can't believe we were all in the same visiting room and had no clue. lol =o)

I was there on Sunday. We took a little break from the girls and walked around outside. I'm probably the tallest female in visiting. I take the girls every other weekend. The opposite weekends we are alone. =o)

If you see us on the 12th come by and say hi. My love isn't crazy. lol I totally understand babypam though because we have gone through it in the past and believe me it is only for your protection. Hopefully he will learn that not all of us are the same.

Take Care Ladies . . . I can't believe we were all in the same visiting room and had no clue. lol =o)

Well let me think...........were you wearing a black shirt with no sleeves?? This is the only person I remember cause I kept thinking "Damn I wish I would have worn a shirt like that so wouldnt be so hot" HA! LOL!!

yep it was me. =o) Good memory. I have learned the hard way. I wear a sweater in, but it always gets hot in there, plus I'm with my love. lol Sorry I missed you. You'll be up on the 12th, come by and say hi. =o) I'll look for your little angel, I'm sure she will probably be double the weight of her picture. She is so precious.

Corselletti is the coolest! Denver loved working for her and he don't like working!! He said she is by far the coolest CO out there and really goes to bat for her workers.

denverswife - your man use to work the visiting room? Like was he still there last July? He was the photographer, huh? If he was, tell him he takes great pics. The guy now takes weird shots.

mselizabeth07 - are you the really tall, skinny, pretty light skinned girl? If that is you I've seen you. If not sorry!!!

babypam: I don't consider myself pretty, thanks for the complement, but yes I'm really tall and light skinned. I go by myself every other week the rest of the time I go with the girls. I'm sure you have seen me. I'm there every weekend, God willing. Stop by and say hi next time you see me. I would love to meet you. =o)

BTW I agree with you JOE is cool, but he is really quick at taking pictures there is no warning, no 123, or say cheese or nothing. Half the time your eyes are closed or you just aren't ready. lol =o)

mselizabeth07 - If you are who I think, you are pretty. (Admit it!!!!) I notice coz my ex is way shorter than me and I told my man "see that pretty girl and her bf, that is like me and my ex". SSHHH. Don't tell your man you saw my post here coz my crazy bf will have a bitch fit that I am airing out our dirty laundry. LOL. Coz my man knows your man. Ha Ha. You've seen me. I'll be there 3rd weed of Feb.

???? gosh who are you???? The guys know each other? huh. lol I'm puzzled. My love is a little taller than me, but since he has gain weight and I usually don't wear flats I look taller. Don't worry, I don't tell him what others say about their men or anything like that. We nned girl time. He does know that I communicate on this web site. He is cool with it. My love was that way too, but he has realized that he can't be like that. What time do you usually get there? What do you look like? Any way I'll see you on the third week. Come up to me when you can get away. =o)

ok I might be thinking wrong girl???? LOL

My man don't know about this website??? I asked for a username change but haven't gotten contacted back yet.

What time you usually get there? Myself I take a journey to get up there so I get there EARLY since my visit don't get terminated. You'll know exactly who I am coz I'll tell you something about us and you'll be like oh there she is...I bet you that you've seen me. Like I told eiilopez, we're the couple always kissing and hugging (lol). but isn't that half the visiting room, huh?

When I say hi to you, our story is we met in the visiting room ok?
I'll tell you, I'm getting married this month. Look for me. When the day is closer to the 18th, I'll tell you what I'll be wearing and we'll talk what time you'll be there and stuff so we can play it off that we just met. Isn't this fun?

I think I'll be carpooling this time with another lady here and we are gonna spend the Sat. night at some hotel in Jackson.

If you remember I visit last year July,October. I'm the medium hight, long haired girl kinda light skin with a baby. Well not baby anymore he was like 1 and 6 months then. Little boy that grabbed a lot of everyone's attention.
Know I remember there is 2 tall girls. Wish I know which one you are. Why don't you post a picture?

I would, but I don't have a scanner. I'm the one who has the three girls. If you come up on the 18th I will be alone, because that is my weekend to go up without the girls. I have long dark hair, it's alburn, but lightens at the ends. I usually straighten it, unless I'm in a rush then it's wavey curly. If you have a little boy, I'm sure I've bumbed into you, boys are like little magnets to my love. I usually joke with him and say "Look he came by to flirt, he isn't afraid of you." Of which he replys, "I'll give him a little black eye." He is just joking. I like to get under his skin. I've know him since we were really young (I was seven) so we play around a lot. I'm the one who is usually telling him to behave, your going to get in trouble, I push him away, but then draw him near. lol Our visits are always crazy. We are both really affectionate. I usually have to be the responsible one. lol =o)

I'm glad this might be our last visit in the visiting room. Can we say "Hello Family Visits!!!!!!!" Yeah we are turning this thread into our chat huh?

I talked to my husband today and he turned in our application for family visits. The counselor told him it should take a week to get approved and then another 3 weeks or so to get a date. I filled out the order form fo the food and I think I might have ordered too much. I was so excited filling it out. From what I have read on some others threads family visits are for 3 days for example....Monday 11am thru Thursday 8am. That is longer than I expected but I am not complaining!!:D

I was gonna ask you that, why you don't do family visits. Especially with the baby. We're trying to ask for a specific day next month coz of Spring Break for me so hopefully it will work out. I was told not too many guys in yard A qualify for the family visit.

So its sounds like you have already been approved for family visits. You must be so excited!!! This morning on my way to work...I was thinking man I dont think I can wait until the 12th to go see him again. I think I might go up this sunday. I plan to go part time in March so I can spend more time with my daughter so I thought I might as well go up as much as I can now well I can afford it.

I think family visits are cheaper coz you don't have to spend the money on the hotel and the money you spend on food is the same. Fresno is not that far from the prison but it is far with a crying baby. (i know first hand).
If you visit this weekend...I am sooooo jealous!!!!!!!!!

eiilopez:

So I might see you this weekend???? =o) Come by and say hi!

babypam:
You hang in there from the looks of things your both going to get family visits before me, I'm jealous~ just kidding.

More power to you both! I'm happy for you! See you soon! =o)

eiilopez how much did your food total came up to for the family visit? I'm looking at it and I may have over ordered too. Coz the last thing you wanna do is run out of food, huh?
I'm gonna ask the other girls for advice. I know there's someone else that used to do family visits here. Hope she comes by and tells us what she usually spends so we can see if we ordered too much or just right.

wanna laugh? I put down like 8 bottles of water and that's like almost $7.

eiilopez, your little girl is sooo cute.
mselizabeth, when is your family visit gonna start?

babypam-LOL!!! It came out to about $80. My husband even thinks I ordered to much food and he can eat all day long!! HA! Denerswife used to have family visits there. I will PM her and she what she says about the food. But you are right I would rather have too much than not enough.

mselizabeth-I was there on Sunday. I looked for you but I dont think I saw you. I got in the visiting room at about 10:30 and they terminated my visit at 12:40:cry:. I was sad but some time is better than none!! I can't to go back up again on sunday even if it is with my inlaws!!!!

We should be getting married, God willing May 20th. Both of you guys (babypam & eiilopez) better show up for my wedding. lol So I'm hoping for June or July. =o)

What does the list look like? I'm really curious and excited about it. I have started shopping for clear packbacks for the girls. From what I was told things need to be in clear containers.

I'm happy for you both. I went this weekend. There was a fog hold on Sunday. Both days were kind of strange the regular visiting officers were not there so processing was slow.

My love and I had a nice visit. I miss him so much. We talked about family visits and I asked him if he thought it was going to make things better because right now we really don't know what we are missing. We both admitted probably not, but we will enjoy it.

Girls on Saturday I had a really bad visit. Everything was fine between me and my love, but when we were about to leave there was a man an inmate in the center of the visiting room playing with himself. He was looking in the direction of my daughter while he was doing it. So I freaked out. I'm having a hard time brushing it off. I did report it. My daughter didn't go with me on Sunday because me and my love had to talk. I really don't think she saw anything. I just couldn't believe him. I was afraid that my love would get in a fight. So I had to get the officer involved.

I'm sure you guys have heard that a prison is no place for kids, but things like that aren't suppose to happen. What choices do we really have? I am with my girls the whole time during visits. We watch our girls like hawks. Are we really not suppose to take our kids to the prison? Are they not suppose to have a relationship with their dad's until they get out for years?

I know that the girls enjoy spending time with him. The never have complained about going to see him, even when we would have to wake up at 3 am to drive to Corcoran. They were happy and excited to go.

I'm not dumb, I know the type of guys that are in there. I'm sorry my heart is just really heavy with sadness that this happen and I really don't know how to deal with it.

I'm truly looking forward to family visits. It will be a relief to know that the girls will be safe with just us.

eiilopez:
I got there at 12:15 I was processing while you were checking out. =o( Sorry I missed you again. What do you mean you can't go on Sunday with your inlaws. What happen????

$80.00 for the weekend???? That really isn't too bad considering it's for 3 days and two nights. We spend at least 30 a day when it's just me and him. For one meal.

On a more positive note I posted this on another page, but I haven't had any responses or suggestions. PLEASE HELP!!!! =o)
Hi Ladies:

I'm closer to a date now. I just sent my marriage package so I should here from the counselor within the next 30 days. We are hoping for a May wedding. So I need to make some serious decisions. My vows are already written, the pastor is already on call, I already took care of the rings, the invitations/announcements have been purchased and the writing is done. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO WEAR! My first thought was to get a wedding dress, because I'm sure he would like to see me in one. But then I don't want him to feel uncomfortable because he isn't dressed. Then I thought of getting a wedding dress that wasn't too formal, but should I really spend that kind of money on a dress that I'm not in love with just because it will pass prison regulations? My latest thought is to buy a long spring white shirt, the indian/or Mexican style shirts and wear a really cute top to go with it. I have three little monkeys that will be dress just like me. They picked out these long white summer skirts that have silver and gold thread in them. Their tops are white tank top with a shear cover that has the silver and gold threads which tie at the bust area. They also have their flower girl dresses that I bought them for the wedding, but I planned it so long ago that it would mean getting them altered. But I'm willing to get them new dresses too. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK I SHOULD DO???

OOPS...I meant to say I can't wait to go again!!! OMG... I just read all your post. What did the CO'S do? Did anyone else see what was going on? I am disgusted. I know what you mean about taking the kids. But right now this is the only way for my daughter to spend time with her dad so I choose to go.

I'm glad it was a typo. lol =o) So I'll see you on Sunday???? I usually go in at 12:00 so that I can stay until 3. I hate getting terminated. It's terrible. =o(

Yeah it's not going to change my decision to take the girls, that would kill him. It's just sad that the kids have to be exposed to a couple of idiots. They should be allowed to visit.

I really don't know what the CO did to him, I just know he wasn't out on Sunday. =o(

Thanks for understanding and not saying that's what you get for taking your daughter there. =o(

It's makes it hard on the guys. My love wanted to defend her. He was furious. I'm glad he didn't catch the guy, because it would have been awful.

BTW: eiilopez that is an adorable picture of the baby and your love. =o) She is so precious.

We must be typing our posts at the same time cause I just read the one about you getting married and the dress. I think your idea is a great one about the long skirt and top. Are the guidelines for the wedding the same as the visiting? If they are that just makes is soo hard to find something cute to wear. You could do white dress that is not so formal but still really nice. Maybe something with short sleeves and not poofy. Where do they have the ceremony? in the visiting room? How exciting for you!!!

My husband and I just started talking about a wedding reception. We got married when he was on county jail :( we are thinking about august 2007 that would be our two year anniversary. I want to start looking for a dress NOW!!!

Ya $80 bucks is nothing for a family visit!!! I spend more than that in one day with gas and food. I was looking for a clear backpack too. I found a website that has ones for $10. I will PM you the site so you can check it out. I told my husband that I think family visits are gonna make me miss him more, after spending three days with him I am not gonna want to leave him.

You can get a clear back pack at Walmart. They have them in clear and see through blue and pink. Look in the area where they sell purses. They are pretty big. Send me the website info, because I would love to check it out.

The weddings are in the visiting area. So if you are there you will see it. The guidlines are the same as they are for visiting. So I would have to go with shortsleeves and or cut off sleeves. I know I could find something, but it would be my dream dress. I'm going to start looking this weekend.

Your love will be out this year? Mine will be out in 18 months. =o) I'm so looking forward to it. =o)

Ok ladies, I wanna join the conversation. First of all, EEEEWWWW that jerk that played with himself. I'm sure he got his butt kicked in the back. I asked my bf on my first visit coz I brough the baby too and said what will happen if they see an inmate doing inappropriate behavior involving kids. He said they take care of it in the back. Remember Mule Creek has a large number of sex offenders. I'm not bashing sex offenders but it was pointed out to me by an employee there.

Next on my list, what are you buying clear backpacks for? LOL. Are you guys going somewhere without me? Ha Ha. If it for the family visit, what I wanna do is buy those XXL ziploc bag that they have now. You guys seen it? It's a jumbo ziplock bag that can be used as an overnight bag and it's clear. Check it out.

As for the wedding dress, I am going solo for my wedding. All I am gonna wear is a nice blouse and nice pants. Probably a white or pink blouse with black slacks. I don't wanna deal with dress coz they get picky. But what you say is nice. Skirt with a nice top. Don't do the wedding gown.

You know it only took 4 weeks for our marriage to get approved. I sent it out right before New Years and I got the date I asked for which is this month.

Now, I really don't think $80 is a lot. Mine was like $95($7 for bottled water). My bf is gonna die laughing about the bottled water. He doesn't know why I can't drink tap water. Oh well... Maybe I should take some stuff out. I'll ask him. But can you imagine running out of food? Yeah call the guard tower and say "excuse me but we're hungry".

Dont let this stop you from bringing your children to visit. That's bs. So what if a prison is not a place for a child, but your children has a right to visit daddy. And since when is it acceptable to stroke yourself in the public?

Maybe something with short sleeves and not poofy.

:ha: Ms.Lopez you don't wanna see MsElizabeth in poofy sleeves?

Hey Babypam:

Are you going up this weekend??? What is your wedding date??? I know I'm I'm going to be there girl!!! =o) I'm so excited for you.

With regards to the jerk, he isn't going to kill our joy. My angel will still be going to see her dad.

So far I'm leaning towards the skirt, I thought of a pant suit too. Either was I'm going to be so happy, I will glow! =o)

Yes the clear backpack is for family visits. It will be easier for me to pack the girls that way they each have their own bags. =o)

Hopefully I will see you this weekend!!! =o)

BTW: What's wrong with me wearing poofy sleeves. =o) lol

Just kidding, I'm not into poofy or goddy. =o)

The 18th. They only do weddings the 3rd Saturday of the month. You know I tried to find a nice blouse today but no luck. I was in tears!!! The nice ones that I saw will probably not be allowed in. The other ones I had a hard time fitting my boobs in. LOL. I have 2 kids and gained like 40 lbs. I know....
So I saw this nice blouse at Lane Bryant coz my boobs fit into it but it is slightly big. It's cream lace but it has a little thing inside so it wont be see thru. The sleeve is lace and see thru. You think they will let me get away with it?

Also do you ladies know if I can wear like a cami under a shirt. I read some prison don't let you "layer" clothes. Let me know ASAP.

I saw the prettiest dress at JC Penny that would be perfect for the wedding but also perfect for them to tell me to go change. It is sleeveless and a deep v neck. Hell I'm getting married in prison so why am I bitching or being picky?

I still need to color my hair, wax my brows, do my toe nails (the man has a foot fetish), oil change my car. Plus the lady I'm suppose to carpool with is not coming anymore coz her man got transfered. See, they are transfering people.

Ms.Elizabeth, no poofy sleeves?

What's a fog hold?

Good Morning Ladies!!

CONGRATULATIONS Babypam!!!!!!!!!! How exciting you are getting married in less than two weeks!!! You better get a move on with all the stuff you need to do there is not much time left. I wont be up that weekend to visit.

Tell me about the boob issue. I can never find a cute top that my boobs are not hanging out of. You are being picky because this is a VERY special day. You should be picky.

I think the fog hold means that they dont let the guys come out when it is foggy.

about the fog hold - they will be in the visiting room so what's the deal?
Tomorrow I'll try to make another attempt to find a blouse.

Someone needs to open a clothing store and call it like Prison Visiting Outfitters or something, huh?

Thanks for the congratulations. I will pm you the pictures "if it comes out good" LOL!!!

babypam I just read your post in the thread about family visits....onelove only ordered $60! I think we might have ordered too much! LOL!!!!

Hi Ladies:

We are all on at the same time. Fog hold delays the visiting process because they have to escort the guys to visiting.

Babypam: So the big day is next weekend? I'll be there!!! =o) Are your kids going to go? I'm going to start looking for clothes too. Mine should be May 20th. =o) I understand the whole not being able to fix into the little cute tops, I too am top heavy. I would want to show any cleavage. lol Any way you can wear a cami under your shirt. The only time it becomes an issue is when girls wear camis and no bras. Which I know we won't because we need the support. lol

Girl you are suppose to be picky. Prison or no prison your going GETTING MARRIED, HELLO!!! Don't let the circumstances ruin your joy! You be happy, get excited, and be picky!!! =o)

I know you will find something. Just take your time.

eiilopez: will you be there this weekend?

By the way I thought we should include this as a group so I added it to my signature block. eiilopez your number 1 and babypam your number 2. We are like the three stooges. lol =o) Have a great day! The weekend is almost here! =o)

Yeah and I'm running out of time! This fog hold crap or lockdown crap better not even happen on that day.

Last month I drove in thick fog for 3 hours and then another 2-3 hours in the rain. Took me 7 hours to get there!

I hope it a little better this time around.

You know we can use more members, ladies.

Morning Ladies!! So are we offically a Club!! YA!! :yay: I know there are other woman here who visit Mule Creek maybe they will come around later.

I will there on Sunday. Our plan is to leace like at 8am so we get there around 11am. My in laws are taking me. Mu husband hasn't seen his father since May so it should be interesting.

Ladies I need some advice. I had planned to ask to go part time at work starting in March so that I could spend more time with my daughter. Well before I made that decision I had sent my resume to Kaiser for a positon there that I was really interested in. I really am not happy were I am at right now. I mean the work is boring. I have been here for three years and it is time for a change. But I know that if I ask they will allow me to go part time. Well Tuesday I got a call from Kaiser to go fill out an application. I went and had a short interview. Well yesterday they called me back for a second interview. So now I dont know what to do....if I get this job it is a do I take it or do I stick to my plan and stay where I am at and go part time. Kaiser is a GREAT oppurtunity. My cousin works there and she says that people have been tryiong for years to work there. I may be getting ahead of myself...i am still interviewing. I guess I am just excited.

well, if it is a better job opportunity jump on it. When my son was 4 months, I went back to work and had to leave him with the babysitter. I worked 5-6 days a week. He's fine. Kids are forgiving. You are doing what's best for the family.

now it seems that it is a bit harder to find a good job so you need to think carefully coz this opportunity might not be there a year from now.

Yes, I am nervous. I thought I was gonna be ok and cool about it. I'm gonna get my hair colored and eyebrows done today. I think I am also anxious like I wanna get this over with. This is my second marriage.

I am so excited that I'm gonna go visit. Too bad you wont be there. How about a family picture of you guys? Oh, let's post more stuff on your "All things mule creek" so they make it a sticky.

=o) Good Morning Ladies!!!

Eiilopez: I think you should go for it girl. Like you said you are still in the interview process, but if it's God's will it will happen. Look I've worked for the state for almost 7 years now, of those seven years I was uphappy for 5 of them. I stayed there even though I hated it, not that I'm out of there I compare it to an abusive relationship. I knew what to expect there and I was afraid of change.

Let me tell you, even though I didn't know it, it had major affects on me. I was always tired, gruppy, frustrated, I had no patience, I had to drag myself to work everyday. IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!! No that I have my new job, I can't believe I stayed at my old job unhappy for so long, expecting change that wasn't going to happen. GO FOR IT GIRL and like I said before if it's not for you there will be something else. =o)

BabyPam: Don't stress girl you are going to look beautiful. If you have to go to a beauty college and get a massage to relax you. I'm sure I will be the same way when it's my turn. lol

I usually make my grand arrival in that area at like 5am. Yeah after driving like almost 7 hours. So I nap for an hour (if I can coz I am always nervous) and at 6:00am I get in the shower. Then blow dry my hair which is a lot of hair straight.

Try to leave the motel ( I usually stay in Galt coz it cheaper) at like 7:20 so I can get there at 7:50am.

Problem? I have freaking dark circles under my eyes and puffy red eyes. LOL. But he loves me regardless.

Ok. Enough of my bi***ing, we'll talk more positive.

thank God those purple Gods work fast!!!

Your a bride to be your suppose to be HAPPY!!!

Solution: use a cover up stick to cover your dark circles. A couple visin drops and you will be fine.

I remember doing the long drives. I was nervous too and couldn't sleep. I had to carry my little monkeys to the car asleep. They never complained. =o) It was a lot of work, packing their clothes making sure I had everything. Every time I left the house, you would have thought I was moving. The whole trunk was full of crap. =o)

You ladies have a good visit and tell me about it Monday.

hi, girls, thought I'd send a few lines to introduce myself. my fellow is at mule creek too. he's on A yard also. unfortunately, he's spending some time in the hole so our visits have been suspended except for behind the glass on C yard which is where the hole is. i went last weekend and would rather have had needles stuck in my eye than have to try to talk to him again on that godforsaken phone set up. you can't hear a thing they say. so, i'm hoping he gets out within the next couple of weeks.

I live in san jose and short of the first visit i made, i get terminated every single time i go because it's only 123 miles. i don't know what co you guys are talking about, but the big heavy set one is not nice at all.

so glad i wasn't there when that dude was acting the fool. i can't even believe he did something like that. the only thing i've ever witnessed is one fellow who occassionally loses his mind and starts yelling and screaming because his wife has enough of his nonsense and leaves.

i haven't made any friends of the wives/girlfriends at mule creek so it would be nice to hook up with some nice people. i still don't know the ropes that well and really don't want to know the ropes, but i've had to learn the hardway like the time i went up there and they were locked down. so now every friday before i go i call and check to see if they're visiting or not. the fog and electricity going out are pretty hard to call. i've left san jose with no fog, got to stockton and had fog and then got to ione and it was clear.

so, hopefully one of these days my guy will be back in the fold and maybe we'll meet up to say hi. congratulations to baby and ms on the upcoming nuptuals. i often wondered when they did marriages. i'm too freaked out to get married in prison and my guy will be out in may 2007. i've waited nearly 11 years so i can wait another 14 1/2 months.

take care and hope to hear from you soon.

Good morning ladies. I hope that everyone had a good weekend. I had a great visit on Sunday. I went up with my inlaws. I love my husband soooo much it is hard to leave him. We told his parents that we want to have a wedding reception in 2007 and I think that we should have waited...they are already talking about who they are gonna invite and all that mess. I think I need to talk to them..tell them that this is something he and I need to work on together.

Elizabeth I think I saw you. I was gonna go up and say hi but you were visiting and I didnt want to interupt your visit. Were you wearing a red shirt? If that was you then I was sitting behind you one row over! I am short with long hair and was wearing a black shirt with grey capris. I was with my inlaws who are two short mexicans...If i wear heels I am taller than my father in law LOL!!!

Pam how are the preperations going?? Did you make a decision on what to wear? I wont be up this weekend to visit...we have our monthly family dinners that weekend. I hope everything goes well.

queenbeas21-Hi! Nice to met ya!! Welcome to our little Mule Creek group! I knew there were more of us out there! When does your man get out of the hole?

queenbeas21 "Welcome" . Ladies, I think this is like Yard A group, huh? Yes we are talking about the heavy set CO in the visiting room. She is like us I guess, some days good some bad. But I don't visit often so every time I go there she seems in a good mood. She is the one that will tell you to your face if your man has another "suspicious lady" visiting. Also 11 years is WOW.

I bought the clothes and colored my hair. Tomorrow = eyebrows (ouch) and oil change for the Toyota and shoe shopping.

Where's Elizabeth?
Also Queenbeas21 join us.

thanx for the warm welcome! no clue when da man gets out of the hole. he's been there 5 weeks now for something so ridiculous like not wanting to take his sleeping medication at 5:00p in the afternoon! i think the reason he got tossed was because he yelled and screamed when his visits were suspended. he told me he had to do that because otherwise it would have taken 6 months to get things straightened out instead of a couple of months and a stint in the hole. if anyone is on instant message, i have accounts in yahoo = queenbeas21, msn = denise@lemucchi.com and aol = queenbeas21 --- look me up any time. i got laid off a month ago so i'm pretty much on the computer all the time. take care and hope to catch up soon.

eii - is your father-in-law a minister? i met some people named lopez who flew up from southern california to see their son the weekend in october they were locked down. real nice people.

Hello Ladies:

I have been off since Friday. But I am back!!!

Welcome to the group Queenbeas21. The whole can be stressful. I would end up crying the whole visit because he seemed like a reptile in that stupid blocked area. I hated it! I'm glad I haven't seem thoses days in a while. I've known my love since I was 7. 23 years later we are finally getting married. =o)

We have become the A yard group. lol

Eiilopez: I thought that was you. I was going to say hi, but you were busy. Then I thought I would catch you on the way out, but you were gone. =o( Hopefully next time.

Babypam: So you are almost ready? I'll be there! =o) What did you decide on? I went shopping last week and I only found a couple of things, but I'm not in love with them yet, so I am going to keep looking.

Look forward to meeting you next week.

Well ladies I don't know who will be coming to visit on Feb 25, but there is a group of women from Mule Creek that will be meeting at Mimi's Cafe in Elk Grove after our visits for dinner. The women of Mule Creek would like to meet once a month for dinner. So if you guys are interested it will start at 4:30.

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On another note: Happy Valentine's Day!
I was super sensitive this weekend. I didn't want to leave on Sunday. I'm usually pretty strong, but this weekend was just different. I wanted him to come home NOW!

Usually I'm the one who says we only have 46 weeks left until this year is over, but on Sunday, that wasn't even helping. I explained to him that there isn't a week that goes by that I don't want him home, it's just some days are harder than others and Sunday was my day. It was nice to be able to get it out and he also shared his feelings with me. We have grown, because in the past I would have just said nothing is wrong and he would have been frustrated trying to figure out what was wrong. I'm glad that I have learned to share myself with him even more.

yes HAPPY VALENTINE"S DAY ladies.

I did buy that blouse I pm the picture to you guys. I look at it again and it should be fine. So that is the blouse for the day. I think it's cute. Elizabeth, you tell me this Saturday if you like. (I'll kick your butt. Joking)

I am sooooooo nervous. I don't wanna cry and make an ass out of myself or anything. LOL. I was cool with it but now "Oh no". It's not cold feet, it's more like excitement I guess. Yeah since my first marriage was a flop.

As for the Feb. dinner, you know my big butt will be here in LA working on my projects and babysitting. I live the furthest of all of us, huh?

Take care ladies.

p.s. gotta go finish my homework. TONS of it.

I think this a Yard A group...that is funny! Well about that CO lady...she definatley does not radiate a warm and fuzzy feeling but she has not been mean or rude to me. She seems to have her stuff together though. That is crazy about her telling ladies that she has seen their man with someone else. Good for her!! She is keeping it real!!

I have been kinda down today...there have been a few ladies here at work who have gotten flowers for valentines and it is just making me feel lonlier that I already do and to top it off it is 3:15pm and he has not called yet!! I want him home so bad. Elizaeth I understand how you feel completely.

I hate days like this...i had been doing so well for a while but I think being able to see him in a regular visit is making me miss him even more. These past three weeks have just been dragging by. It seems like months!!! I keep thinking 9 months is nothing but on days like this it feels like forever. At the end of our visits my husband has been real quick to leave, just a quick kiss and hug. When he callled me on sunday night I asked him about it and he said that it is hard for him to say goodbye so he tries to get thru it real quick. I wanted to cry when he said that.

Elizabeth-we left like at 2:45pm. My father in law ALWAYS does that. He doesnt like to wait until 3pm. I was so irritated with him. I am like ok we only get this time together can we at least stay until we HAVE to leave. I am planning to go back up on the 25th...well that is if I am not broke then. Le me know about the dinner that night. I would like to go. How far is Elk Grove from the prison?

queenbeas21-no my father in law is not a minister. We are from Fresno and have just started visiting at Mule Creek at the end of January.

babypam-Good luck with the homework!!!

Have a great day ladies
Elyka :D

Elyka, don't feel bad about the flowers!! I didn't get crap either . LOL. I got like 2 Valentines Day card and 1 b-day card. Everyone at school and work had like flowers and teddy bears and all that stuff. So you're not alone.

I stay till 3pm coz I don't get to visit often and just getting my money's worth, with the expenses. Plus he's like "don't leave...don't leave". Yeah like I have a choice and he's always asking for one more kiss.

Maybe your husband does the goodbyes quick coz it hurts him just as much as it hurts you. He's also trying to get used to it too I guess. (seeing the family and having them walk away). Men are like that :). Maybe it will change once he gets the routine down coz he's new there right. Don't worry. Plus he will be home sooner than soon.

Didn't get anything done yesterday! Better move my butt, huh?

Good day, ladies.

By the way, that's a cute picture of you two.

Thanks Pam!! I am feeling much better today...those blues just creep up on you when you least expect or want it to.
I was tired of looking at the pictures of us in the prison so I put that one of us at christmas last year to remind me of better times you know.

I was telling my husband yesterday that I dont know if I can wait until the 25th to go see him again...I am going to Long Beach on Sunday so I was thinking can I swing it? Drive to Mule Creek on Saturday visit with my love drive back to Fresno by 6pm to make it for our family dinner..then get up early on Sunday and drive to Long Beach. I am still thinking about it....I just might do it!

Good Morning Ladies:

I've been off since I e-mailed you on Valentines. I got a call from my dad and my mom was in the emergency room. She had surgery yesterday and is home now. Everything is fine now, she had female issues.

Gosh I have a lot of catching up to do.

Elyka: Well I'm sorry you were having a bad day and I'm sorry I wasn't here to cheer you up. BUT I'M BACK!!! =o) I'm glad that you and your husband have that communication. I'm glad that you expressed to him what was bothering you about when you say good bye. I use to let things that bothered me eat at my joy instead of just letting him know how I felt.

With regards to him saying good bye. It's hard for him too. Just like I mentioned in my last post. When I talked to my love about my issues with leaving on Sunday he was like, don't you know that I want to go home too. So we were both feeling the same thing and just being strong. I always knew that he wanted to go home, but I guess I thought he had super powers or something because he didn't really say it. Or he never really complains about having a bad day. It was nice to let it out and to realize that he is feeling the same things and that he understands that it's hard.

Valentines . . . well it is hard to see others getting stuff. Take my co-worker, she has it made, her husband as a really good job, she has a boy and a girl. It would look like the perfect family. She has her area covered with pictures of her family.

Just remember all that glitters isn't gold. She isn't in love. It's all material stuff. At least I know that I have the real thing now and I wouldn't trade it for all the flowers, jewlry or dust collectors (I mean teddy bears). =o) Be strong we will get out flowers ladies and they will be gorgeous.

I've been in a couple bad relationships. I've had the flowers. Little did everyone know that those flowers I got I only got when he had messed up. They didn't bring me joy. I started resenting them. He would sent me dozens of roses. I would have been happy with one. He didn't know me.

I'm glad that is behind me, and I thank God for my bad experiences, because if it weren't for them, I would appreciate what I have with this man now.

We are all on at the same time again.

Baby Pam: So what is up with the bride? Is she ready? You had better sake those last minute jitters. Some times it has to do with you not being able to believe that something good is finally going to happen to you. Since your first marriage was a disappointment, sometimes the fear of that happening again enters your mind. Girl don't let those thoughts kill your joy! This is a new man and you deserved to be loved and treated right. Be happy, get what ever you need to get waxed. lol And you be there to furfill your destiny. =o) I'll be there. =o) And I know that Elyka will be there at heart . . . (between you and me I have a feeling she will be there too) lol


By the way: I just got the offical word on the MC move. Are your men level 4???

So what is the offical word??? I am dying to know. My husband is a level 3 but he is on a level 4 yard because there was no room on the level 3 yard.

MsElizabeth don't tease!!!!!!!!!!!! What's the word? Yes my man is level 4.

Hear it goes:

Hello Everyone,
I just received an update on the swap of Folsom & Mule Creek populations,
straight from the warden. The mac reps have already been advised of the
situation.

1.)Yard A & B will remain SNY. Yard C will become General Population.
2.)All level 4 inmates will remain at Mule Creek (as far as this situation
goes)
3.)Level 2 &3's will be considered for the transfer that will move
approximately 800 inmates to folsom.
4.)Folsom will become entirely SNY.
5.)The GP population for C yard will come from Folsom
6.)EOP inmates will stay, CCCMS are eligible for transfer
7.)Transfer will begin soon most likely within the next month.
Although there is no real answer as to who will be chosen to go, the
following will definitely will be considered.

-Inmates who volunteer, if your loved one wants to move please let their
counselor know. If you want a transfer that will help save some who do not.
Do this as soon as possible!

-Non programming inmates, those that do not have a job, are not in school or
in a vocational program.

MsLopez - Long Beach is like 30 minutes south of me. You can do it!!! If you leave MC at 3pm, you will be back in Fresno by 6pm. Then get up EARLY and drive to Long Beach. Hope you don't have to work on Monday.

My man will volunteer to go to Delano so he can be closer to me but like I told you ladies why they deny it.

His butt is staying there I guess.

MsElizabeth how did you get a letter from the warden?

I am confused with this SNY. So if yard A is SNY, does that mean that everyone there is special need?

Ladies, we're still on at the same time!!!

Baby Pam it looks like you and I will stay, unless we have our loves request a transfer. For you it would be further, but for me it would be closer.

Elyka, it looks like it maybe up to him. He could say it's a hardship because it will be further for you?

BTW: In all this craziness I FORGOT TO TELL YOU GUYS!!!! I spoke to his counselor on Valentine's Day and she has APPROVED us to get married!!! Now we are just waiting for the coordinator to give us a date.

That is why I don't really know what to do. Folsom would be closer to home and we wouldn't get our visits terminated, but at Mule Creek we already know the drill. We don't have issues with the visiting officers and things are pretty smooth. Besides if we decided to go to Folsom we would have to start the whole marriage process over. It's in God's hands. =o)

SNY sensitive needs yard: pretty much he has enemies so he is in protective custody. Which makes sense in your case because they wont move him to Delano because of his little friend. J/K

I'm on an insiders group. I can tell you how to get in there, but I can do it on this form because the don't allow us to post e-mail addresses. You can get kicked out for doing it. I'll tell you about it on Saturday. They are members for Family Counsel that meets with the warden I wan to say once every two weeks.

:dance::dance::dance: Elizabeth is getting married!!!!:yay::yay::yay::yay:


CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!

So maybe you will get a date as early as next month? Also I might be wrong but maybe at Folsom there are many that get family visits and you have to wait longer? My bf told me that in yard A only a handful gets family visits. Which will soon be Elizabeth,MsLopez and myself.

Isn't MC a safer place than Folsom? (I'm curious)

I believe Mule Creek is better established. They have a better reputation. I'm fine with him staying there.

Thanks for the congrats . . . 23 years later, talk about the gitters. lol

How long did it take you to get a date after the couselor approved it??? I'm excited and nervous. =o)

:yay: :fb: :yay: :fb: Congratulations Elizabeth!! You are one step closer to being married!!! :yay: :fb: :yay: :fb:

Elizabeth-I read a flyer about the family counsel last time I was there...so you are part of the group?? that is great.

The more I think about it the more I think that I will be there on Saturday ;) ..I miss my baby too much!!!

Babypam- what time is the ceremony??? Do they have it early??


Mule Creek is the 6th prison my husband has been to...YES I said 6!!! LOL!!! He did a 4 year term before this term. He says that this is the best one that he has been to. He said that most of the CO's talk to them in a respectful manner, the food is good and there is no drama. He says the guys call it "The Land of Milk and Honey"! I would love to have him closer to me but for his sake I hope he stays there.

I can't wait for family visits!!! Ya, my husband says that that not many on A Yard are eliglble for family visits...so we can get them more often than we would at another prison. For that reason alone I DONT want him too move :D :p

Your girls are crazy. I'm looking forward to family visits too, but I guess it's a little different for me. My love and I have never been together like that so it's a little intimidating. DON'T LAUGH! lol
The more I think about it I want him to stay too. He has not drama with any of the guys there either. It's been smooth and I would love it to stay that way. COME ON 2007!!!!

Mine has been in at least 6 too. =o( MC has been the best so far.

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LADIES, THE WEDDING IS MOVED TO ANOTHER DATE!!!!!!!


Yes, you read right!!! ok let me stop shouting and explain.....

So yesterday at 5:30pm, a lady from the prison called and told me the chaplain is SICK!!!!:ham::ham::ham: He wont be back until Tuesday (maybe). Right now my bf doesn't know yet. She will send him a note today and he will get the note on Friday night that the wedding is moved to another date(not known). But she was sweet. She said she knows I will be driving far and don't want me to waste money on a trip. I also told her I don't have a phone so he can't call me, if she could do me a favor and give him a message. She said she will write on her note to him that she talk to me and I'm not gonna be going this weekend. Right now he still thinks the wedding is on and he'll see me Saturday. IS THIS SAD???? I don't know any of his friend's family for me to call and relay this message when they call. Hopefully he gets the message for reals today and not think that I stand him up!!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:


So I ask if I have to wait till next month since they only do weddings once a month on the 3rd Saturday. She said that when the chaplain comes back, they will TRY to marry us before the 3rd week of March. Which means it could be next week, 2 weeks from now, 3 weeks from now.... And I did have a weird feeling about this weekend(remember I told you ladies I felt like weird & nervous). Good news is that I wont waste a trip and money and then have to go on the wedding day and get terminated huh?

6 prisons sounds about right over here too. LOL We have a lot in common.

The wedding regardless of date is at 11 am on Saturday. Also MsElizabeth, I have never been with my man like that too so we are looking forward to it. I met my man when he was in already.
Also how long before we get a date for the wedding? Well, I turned in the marriage package right before New Year and the last week of January, I called the marriage counselor and she said "tentative" Feb. 18. So the whole process for me took like 4 weeks. I could've had a Jan. date but I did not want to get married in January.

Babypam I am soooo sorry...this is just awful....And come on how sick is the chaplin really...it was thurday does he really think he cant make it on Saturday!! This is just crap!!!

Why dont you come up anyway...I mean you have it all planned out already. And you said that they dont terminate on your wedding day so if you come up this weekend then you wont get terminated because its been 30 days since your last visit and then when you come up again for the wedding it probably will be another 30 days so you wont get terminated then either. I mean you were getting ready anyway!! What sucks about all this is you can get mad as hell but what can you do nothing cause we have to follow the rules of the prison and do what they say.

I really hope that your honey gets the message that you are not coming. That would just be awful if he was all ready waiting for you.

Ok so these are the prisons I have been to: Wasco, Jamestown, Avenal, Soledad, Salinas Valley, Pleasant Valley and now Mule Creek. I have to tell you that I think the Visitor processing at Mule Creek is by far the best I have ever experienced. I think that is why people get termintated...they are so fast at getting people processed that the visiting room gets full too quick. I remember waiting 3 HOURS to get into Avenal and that was just to get processed. There is NO reason for it too take that long. Oh and then at Pleasant Valley they would make the guys wait outside of the visiting room until they were ready to get them. So I would be in the visiting room waiting and he was standing outside. we could see each other from the patio. One time he was out the almost an hour before they brought him in. There was NO reason for that either.

Sorry I just had to vent...I was getting flashbacks and it was making me MAD!!

babypam: PM me and I will make sure my love gets a message to your future husband. I'm so sorry. =o( Who was your champlain suppose to be? I have the direct number of the pastor here. If you want it I can give it to you? He is Christian and he is allowed to do weddings there. I don't know what religion you are so I'm not trying to offend you.

Good morning, ladies. I am not mad anymore because I think things happen for a reason. Maybe the drive up there would be bad or something. Plus to be honest, I have a midterm Monday and another one Tuesday. I really need to be studying instead of driving 7 hours each way, dont you agree? Plus money is tighter this week, and I will have more next week. I don't wanna go tomorrow coz the exams plus this weekend I wont get terminated but for the wedding, I dont wanna get terminated that Sunday. Most important, it's too much money right now!!!! I only work part-time (so I don't lose my welfare benefits which is paying for day care $1100 a month)and go to school full-time. My ex husband really screwed me over last Feb. when he got up and left us . (The baby was 9 months and the other was 2 ). I am slowly getting back on my feet.

No, you don't offend me by offering the pastor's number. That's nice of you.

So they will see if he will be back on Tuesday. Then they will call me to see when they can do the wedding. I'm not mad, I just don't want my man to think I stood him up.

We had this arranged. Valentine is the 14th, my bday is the 16th (yesterday) and we wanna marry on the 18th. (every 2 days I will get a present).

Oh well, I will pm you with my cell phone number and maybe on that weekend of the wedding, if you wanna stay at the hotel with me it's cool.

Well we are here for you and I will be there when you get married. =o) I'll call you if I here from my love tonight and or once the message has been relayed.

Keep your head up. Everything happens for a reason. Study because we want you to pass. =o)

Thanks Elizabeth!!! You're the best.

:p Anytime. . . . I'm going to go and buy the chaplain some airbourne medicine. He will not be getting sick on my day.:p

I think I'm getting sick too. Must be what the chaplain caught. lol. He's a chaplain so I'm sure he is not telling a lie.

Elizabeth, since you have visited the longest, what is the craziest thing you've seen in that room? ( besides that rude guy that serviced himself weeks ago)

Howdy Ladies! Sorry I haven't been around much. I get doing things and then I forget to check here! Happy belated Valentine's Day to you all. I feel all your pain on that day as I, too, was Valentine-less. One more to go and then I won't ever have to worry about it again! Keep the faith. They love us and they felt just as bad on Valentine's Day as we did.

Lov, so sorry about the postponement of your wedding. I am glad you took it so well. When it happens, it will be just as special. It's not like we're not used to waiting. God bless you and keep you sane until that special day arrives.

Ms, thanx bunches for the update on the transfer. My fellow is a level 4 and that's good news though it wouldn't make any difference if he did go to Folsom since it's not that much further for me since I already go 123 miles to the Train (as I call it because of the Frankie Lane song Mule Train).

My fellow has all of yours beat with how many prisons he's been in through the years. I think he tops over 10. I don't even think I can list them all!

Lov and Ms, I've been where you are as far as "being" with your men. I, too, met mine while he was incarcerated. Ours is a long story and if you want to hear it I'd be happy to tell it. We have been together, but it's been nearly 12 years so the first time will be awkward as well.

I have some new regarding him getting out of the hole. He had his violations hearing and I don't know if they completely dismissed the charges or not because he never fully explains anything. They did reduce the supposed threatening the Lieutenant to disrepecting and acting up or something to that effect. I can't remember without getting the letter out. He's supposed to get a final report within 10 days and I'm guestimating about the 23rd because, once again, he didn't tell me the specific date he went to the hearing. After that, the counselor said he'd get him to classification as soon as possible. He said we'd have visit reinstated by April 2nd, but I'm wondering if he made a mistake and meant March 2nd. At any rate, I will be very happy once he gets out of the hole and back to his normal living arrangements. He's hyperactive and all that being in the cell I know isn't healthy for him though he's been a real trooper through it all.

I got even more good news tonight when I received a call from his sister-in-law. He's been writing his brother for the longest time and they never respond. I met them 12 years ago and they are wonderful people. It was so nice to hear Stella's voice and hear that they do care about my guy and feel bad they don't write like they should. My fella wanted me to contact them, but I felt very awkward since I didn't know if they wanted anything to do with him or not. So the fact she called me and we were on the phone for nearly two hours means yet another leg up for my fella when he gets out to have the support of his family. I so look forward to keeping in contact now with them again.

Do any of you know of any support groups I might be able to contact? I tried to contact Friends Outside but they haven't responded to me. My guy asked his doctor and the doctor said to use the internet. I've looked but I can't seem to find anything that jumps out at me.

Well, I hope to catch up with you soon. Hey, do I get a number for this group or do I have to be asked? LOL I see all kinds of designations after people's names, but no clue how to get in touch with some of those people. Seems all our stories are very similar. It took me months of looking at this site before I had the guts to write to you girls. This whole prison thing is not something I know a whole lot about so I'm not very good at knowing what is what. I just know that every time I go to that place it takes everything within me to walk in that visiting room. Having you three to talk to is helping me a lot. Thank you so very much. Take care and goodnight.

Q- you are "First Visit to Mule Creek #4". Yeah, I'm fine with the wedding being moved coz no use getting upset over something I can't control. But I would've been pissed if I had gone and then find out it was cancelled!! That means I spent all that money driving for nothing plus the hotel plus he will see me in that blouse and I will have to get another blouse. LOL. :) You know how that is. But now, I'm kinda like on call for the wedding so I need to be ready at all time. Gotta pluck the eyebrows everyday. LOL. I still need to get an oil change for the car...

Well that's good you have good news about your man. That's good for him. Also what kinda support group are you looking for? (sorry I'm acting dumb).

This whole prison thing is new to me too. He is actually the only person I know personally whose been in prison. LOL But yes, we would love to hear your story.

I was wondering where you went but glad you're back!

P-

he never fully explains anything



Typical male, huh?:rolleyes:

Lov, Good to hear from you! I hope your weekend is going well. Yes, I agree it is better to have found out about the postponement than to make that trek all that way to have him see you in the blouse you had a hell of a time finding and not getting married. I just finished reading Michael B. Jackson's book, How to Love and Inspire Your Man After Prison. It's a short read and full of grammatical errors! LOL He mentions that if your man is getting out any time soon, he recommends not getting married in prison. He says it's hard enough being released. One has to make their own choices for sure. When is your fella being released? I lost track sorry to say. Mine gets sprung May 7, 2007. I'm too frightened to get married at the Train. Truth is I don't want to get that involved with the system. I try very hard to keep a very low profile. Took everything in me to contact the San Quentin lawyer when he got thrown in the hole and then I find out he never wanted me to do that. His cellmate told me he did. Further, the idiot attorney never did contact him. So, that was my first and last attempt at anything like that. Took me another week when I finally decided to visit him in the dungeon to figure out I had to make and appointment to go see him. Then another several days to get up the nerve to call and make the appointment. That was pretty traumatic too. So, I'm doing my best not to have to go back to see him until he's back in the mainstream. I wish you and your man all the luck and joy in the world for sure.

The kind of counseling I'm looking for is a support group(s) for women with partners in prison or just plain counseling in preparation for when he comes home this time. I've looked but haven't been successful so far since Friends Outside never responded to my e-mail I sent over two weeks ago. I went on the CA CDC site and there isn't anything closer than Oakland. I will keep checking when I have the time. I'm in San Jose (Santa Clara County). If anybody has any thoughts, I would appreciate hearing them.

I've taken up the project of copying the book, The Book of Counted Sorrows by Dean Koontz. Ben's been looking for this book for forever and so have many of the inmates. I looked for it months ago on Amazon but never found it. Then he mentioned it again the other night and I did some real digging. At first, the info I found said the book didn't exist. That was an old post. Since then, I found that it has been published. The problem is they only published 1,200 copies of the book. I found it electronically and purchased it. Now the problem is that is can't be printed! So, where there's a will, there's a way! I take each page of the book and take a screen shot of it. Then I bring it into PhotoShop and crop out the background so I only have the page. Then I bring it into Word and format the page as a picture. Make it look pleasing on the page and then print the page. It's tedious, time consuming and will probably cost about $40 with the paper and ink, but it will bring him so much joy I can't resist. I found a copy on eBay for $500 and rare book sites for anywhere between $1,700 and $2,300! So, he better be grateful with how he's getting it! LMAO Last November I started to make a calendar for him showing how many days until his release. I put the lyrics to Mule Train on the front with some pictures. On the last page, I had May 7th highlighted and sayings about being free and put the lyrics to Tie a Yellow Ribbon 'Round the Old Oak Tree and inserted pics of yellow ribbons. Took me about 6 weeks to finish as I didn't do it non-stop. He adored that and everybody wished they had one too! Making that calendar was harder than reproducing this book! LOL I so enjoy graphics and doing little things for him so it is never a chore to do these things for him.

I will write out the story of how we met and all things that transpired in a day or two so you all know us better.

Take care and talk to ya soon.

Q - He is "supppose" to get out next year in Jan. He's a totally different person now compared to when he first went in. He has goals, dreams etc... We've been together 1 year but were good friends for 5. He knew my 2 boys since they were in my tummy so he kinda feels like daddy coz he has their baby pictures and all. He is also really nice to them and people thought they were his kids for reals. I love him so much.

That's good you did that book. I've never heard of the book so I don't really know why it is rare. You couldn't just cut and paste, huh? That must've been "fun" editing it and all.

I wouldn't be surprise if all our men know each other, huh? Mine knows Elizabeth's.

Also want you all to know that I think I did well on my first midterm tonight. I have one more tomorrow morning so I might not sign in till the afternoon.

Talk to you later.

Lov, I hope you get an A+ on your midterm. Good luck with the others. We'll be waiting for your return.

No, the book is electronic and they have all kinds of prevention from copying it or anything else. So, I've never let an inanimate object get the best of me and this was no exception!

My guy's name is Benjamin Millard. Nice fellow. Loves to be outside working out and playing any kind of ball there is to play! I tell him to get his fill now because in the real world he won't have time. He assures me he will! LOL One of these days I'll try to post a picture of us. In the good ones of him, I look like crap. In the good ones of me, he looks like crap! LOL Maybe I'll cut out the good ones of each of us and make a new one! LOL

I'm so glad you have a nice fellow and he loves you and your kids and you all love him. That's half the battle in any relationship. So glad he gets out in January! Mine's only 4 months behind that. He's so looking forward to the summer of 2007.

Okay, take care and see ya soon.

Morning Ladies! Wow..I feel like I havent logged on forever!!! LOL! Right now my only access to internet is at work...I am going to get a computer in March though so I can long on at night and catch up!

My love and I have known each other since he was in 4th grade and I was in 6th grade. My sister was in his class. After elementray school, we saw each other once in a long while at easter, our familes have been going camping to the same campground for almost 30 years. Then in 2000 I ran in to him at a local spot, we started to date. One night in Ocotber of that year, I was waiting for him to come over. We were going to go out but I was feeling sick so we were just going to hang out at my house. Well I fell asleep waiting for him and he never showed and never called. I never called him to find out why he didnt show because I was so mad and so hurt. Then at easter in 2001, I think easter fell in March that year, his dad stopped at my campsite and told me that he was arrested and sentenced to 3 years and that he has been trying to get a hold of me since October. I almost cried when he told me. We started writing each other...We were just friends at that point...I had a boyfriend. But that didnt last long....I knew deep down that he and I were meant to be. Well three years turned into 4 years and 33 days. He came home in November of 2004. He got in trouble and went back in May when I was 6 months pregnant. He will be home in December of this year.

We have spent a lot of time talking about what went wrong. He says that he think things went too fast for him when he came home...that he wanted to catch up on everything he missed out on and he was trying to please everyone..his parents, his family, his po, me and was not taking care of him....he started using again...this is what got him in trouble in the first place. I guess I thought that he had gotten over the addiction while in there....boy was I wrong. The past 9 months have been really hard for me...I am trying to remain positive that he is sincere about his recovery. But I am being realistic...I am scared to death that he will go back to using because if he does I will not stay..I will leave and he knows that. I told him that when he gets home I dont want him to go to work for a while....he needs to adjust, he needs to get to know our daughter..spend time with his dad without any pressure.

So it looks like we are all short, I think Elizabeth only has til September 07. Is this everyones first time coming home?

Q-I dont know of any support groups for us...that is a good idea though...I was thinking of going to Nar-Anon, they are like a Al-Anon. I had no idea what to expect when he came home and in hindsight I could have done some things different. I dont know if it would have helped but I sure it couldnt have hurted. For him..I would say that he should take full advantage of parole and any programs that they may have too offer. I know in my area they hook recent parolees with guys who have come out and are doing well. So they have someone who has been thru what they have been thru to talk to. That calendar you made sounds so pretty!!

Lov-What do you mean he is supposed to get out in Janurary?? How did the midterm go?

Elizabeth-They terminated me at 12:45pm!!! :( I got there at 10:45! Next time I am not going in til after 11!! We were having such a nice visit too. This is only thing I hate about Mule Creek.

Ladies so you think that the visiting room gets full so quick because they are so quick to process people. In the four times I have been there I have not waited more that 30 minutes to be processed and get in to the visiting room which just amazes me.

Well ladies I will check in later. Have a good one!! :D

Q-this site helps me too. Thanks ladies for listening and reminding me that I am not alone in this!!!

We're all on at the same time again :). I just finished my last midterm. Probably gonna get a B coz I didn't get to study last night. What happened? The stupid ex husband brought the kids home last night instead of tonight ( as I told him ). The baby didn't go to sleep till 4:30 AM !!!

You wanna have a good laugh?
So I unpacked the boys' clothes that I sent to their dad's house. In it was a note for me from his hood rat. ( Last Feb. my ex husband left us to go back to his ex who he has a daughter with. She only slept with the whole neighborhood. ) She wrote that if I have anything to say to him, I should call him at work and not leave little notes for him. I was like WTF ???!!!! So before I got to class, I called him at work and ask what the heck is going on. He said that she found a note in my writing in the boys' overnite bag that said "I don't think so". HMMMM. I told him what the hell is going on coz I didn't write it plus I wouldn't even waste my time on that. I told my ex if he is scamming with another chick to leave me out of it. Plus I told him that I DON'T WANT HIS SORRY A$$! He told me that he likes this white girl at work. I told him that is his business. I think that chick is the one with the note and it somehow was in the car or something and his skank found it and thought it was me writing it. Yeah right!!! They are suppose to get married next month ( I don't care ) and if I wanna break her down all I have to do is call her and tell her how my ex is begging me to have sex with him !!!! He says nasty things to me and I will tell him to shut up. Plus he is asking to come back to me and I said NO coz I love someone else. So joke is on her. Plus she doesn't trust him around me ( yeah like I will drop my pants for him). Stupid people. All I have to do is snap my fingers and he will leave her to come back. But I don't play with trash and that is what he is.

Sorry about this long vent!!!!

Oh, I say suppose coz I don't wanna jinx anything but so far looking good on that parole!

This bride-to-be sure misses her husband-to-be.

And I'm feeling much better, Elizabeth. Thanks for asking. That Robutusin really works. Just have a slight runny nose and an ear ache from all the coughing. LOL.

Glad your visits went well. So you only got in 2 hours, huh? Better than me, Elyka. I got 0 hours :) plus no ring on my finger. LOL. I gotta go get me some loving.
Elizabeth, how about your love story?

My ex doesn't know I'm getting married. He'll probably crap in his pants. LOL.

Hello Ladies:

Good Morning. 45 weeks to go until 2006 is over. =o) I'll still be here when all three of you will be gone. I have until Sept 07, but at least he is getting out. =o)

This weekend was interesting. Saturday I went up with a girlfriend, I was so worried about getting terminated because we got there at 12:00. But I made it through the cut. We had a nice visit.

Sunday was a different story. . . For those of you that have seen me in visiting you can probably tell that we are totally in love with each other. There are times when we just look at each other and totally leave the prison for a moment. We are both very affectionate. Which is a really good thing, except for when you are in prison. Well any way, I spent the first half of the visit saying stop we are going to get in trouble, pushing him away, over and over again until I just said fine. I'm not going to tell you anything do what ever you want, but if you get us in trouble just realize our visits is all we have.

It's really hard to push him away when I really want to hold him close. It totally messes with my head. It's doing the opposite of what I really want to do. =o( Besides I know that later on that evening I'm sure the enemy gets into his head and makes him thing that I didn't really want to kiss him or reminds him of how many times I pushed him away when it wasn't even like that.

I adore him. I love kissing him and holding him. And I am so ready to make love to him, to the point that at times I get frustrated.

But right now all we have is our visits. I'm not saying we would fall apart if we didn't have our visits, but they help.

I understand he wants me and loves me, but I don't understand why he would risk it all to sneak a kiss and or a hug. I don't want to loose our visits. I look forward to the weekends. I pretty much live for the weekends.

I want to visit him and be carefree. I don't want to worry about getting in trouble. I don't want to act like his mom when we are there. I want him to be responsible for his actions and realize the consequences.

I don't know about you guys, but I worry about things all week, on the weekends I just want to be taken care of, even if it's just for an hour.

Well as you could have probably guessed, I just let him be. He kissed me every chance he got, he acted like no one was watching us. Well when it was time to go and we were kissing. The officer called his name and she pretty much reamed us in front of everyone. I was so mad at him. She told him she was going to write him up.

See in my mind, it wasn't just our visits getting taken away, I was also worried about our wedding date.

I was so mad at him I pretty much just walked away. I didn't even have to say I told you so.

By the time I got home there were serval messages, don't worry I worked things out and everything is going to be ok.

It should have come to that. . .

What do you guys think??? Can you even relate? I know I'm a total square, but I cherish the moments we are able to spend together and right now even though I know he does too, I'm not feeling it.

We are all on together again. . .

I think your man and my man hang out too much or something coz they both act the same in visiting! LOL. My man does the same Elizabeth. He wants a kiss. Ok, kiss, but fast. The he's like what about some tongue! I'm like ok but fast so no one sees us. Then he wants another kiss. Then he's at my neck, kissing me. Then he stops. Then he goes for the a$$. It's like, hold on. And they ALL say "no one is looking", huh. LOL. I turned around an this other inmate behind us had his jaws wide open probably wanting some action too.

But I hope that write up didn't affect the wedding or his points or anything else. I am also worried about maybe losing visits ( yeah I visit every 2-3 months but it still counts :) ) or something else. Elizabeth, how did he work things out? Was it that same lady CO or was it someone else?

Love story mine is going to be long. I've know my love since I was in 2nd grade and he was in 5th. He was the popular kid and I was really into my studies. I had a huge crush on him. But in those days the younger kids were considered the babies. So to him I was a baby.

Any way the years went by and we ended up going to CCD classes. We ended up in the same class. I looked a lot older, so I wasn't the kid any more and he had gone on to Jr. High. lol We were both Mary & Joseph in a church play for christmas. I was just a kid 10 years old at the time and I remember holding baby Joseph and wishing that someday we would have a little one.

He was my first kiss, since then he has always had this power over me. No matter how long it had been since we seen each other he would always go up to me and kiss me. I would always tell myself, why do I let him do that. That went on for years.

Then I went to Jr. High and he went on to High school. I was asked to be in a quincenera and my mom is the one who said why don't you ask him to be your partner. So I did and he accepted.

Every week we had practive twice a week. Him and my mom got a long too well. They would gang up on my and tease me. It was hell by the time I got to practive I wanted to kick him. Any way, he was young doing his thing and I was into my studies.

We were in the quincenera together and then I didn't see him for a while. We would still run into each other ever once and a while. He would kiss me and I would let him.

The years went by and he was sent to prison. I had been with someone and it didn't work out. He took responsibility for the child I was carrying according to him she is his. We were together my whole pregnancy. He saw my tummy grow from flat to basketball. He adores her. At that time he was about 45 minutes away so I would see him every weekend.

Then he was sent to PB and I could no longer go and see him. So we broke up, besides he was still doing his thing. He had asked me to marry him, but I knew he wasn't ready for me.

Years later he got out. I had started my life over I was a month from getting married when he called. I told him I couldn't see him. I knew that if I saw him I wouldn't have gotten married.

I got married the following month to my best friend. Which was a big mistake. I wasn't in love with him. I just knew that he could never hurt me because my heart wasn't there.

Years went by and I left my husband. I remember getting on my knees and crying. I prayed God you know I have tried. This man just isn't the one for me. I made a mistake in marrying him. Help me through this. Lord I pray that if there is a man out there for me, let him be a Christian man, an older man, and a man with out children and or Xs because you know I am a jealous woman and I just don't do well in those situations. If not Lord teach me to be strong and raise my girls on my own. I remember getting up off my knees and thinking, gosh I was pushing it, older and without kids, GOOD LUCK!

Any way the months went by and my daughter's dad did an illegal service to get full custody of my daughter, which he hadn't seen in seven years. So I thought who could be a witness that he wasn't in her life.

So I thought my love. I looked in my old school books and found his grandma's number from 1987. I called her and I found out he was back in. I was devistated because he said he would never go back. I wrote him that night and a couple of weeks later I went to see him at PB.

I was so nervous. He was too. He didn't even kiss me at first. He had gotten married too and he was getting divorced too. We had bother become Christians. We just had a lot in common and the best part was HE HAD FINALLY GROWN UP!

Lov: Well he said he just talked to the officer and he worked it out with them so they aren't going to write him up. I guess they are giving him another chance. I think I'm going to talk to the officer on Saturday though and have them put us behind glass for a moment so that it sinks in. I'm still MAD!!! Because I TOLD HIM!

Elizabeth I totaly understand...Before we were married he was always like that..it would make me so angry cause you are right all we have is this visit and why would he risk that for few passionate kisses. I just couldn't understand it. Now this time around I am finding that it is me who is asking for all the kisses. I think that he is so worried about getting into trouble and getting more time added that he doesn't want to risk it!! Not sure if he is more scared about them adding more time or about how angry I would be if it happend!!!;)

Sometimes I think they might take our visits for granted. Maybe they should put him behind the glass....that would be a great eye opener for him!!!

love-that is crazy about your x's girl!! So she thinks your writing the notes...is he playing along?? He is letting her belive they are from you? That is crappy.

Howdy ladies! Hope all is well. El and Eliz, your stories are lovely. I'll get to mine soon.

El, my fella too had a drug problem. Add to that stealing and he was a mess. 10 years ago he quit everything - drinking, drugs and even cigarettes. He's been in the EOP program for several years now and it's the best thing that ever happened to him. He goes to groups for anger management, 12 step, medication management, family issues, recreational therapy and a couple others that escape my mind. They gave him a job as a porter (glorified janitor) and he was doing swell until he decided not to take his sleeping medication at 5:00p. I give him lots of credit for being able to kick those habits. I smoke and would sooner starve than go without my cigarettes even though I know they're killing me.

Eliz, you're not the only one who "makes out" in that visiting room and who worries sick about getting into trouble. We've been remanded on several occassions outside when we stop and we have our arms around each other. Now, Ben and I both keep an eye out for the beeotch and sneak as many kisses as we can. I don't think his hand ever leaves mine except when we play cards! LOL Yes, our visits are the most precious thing to us right now too and we are both cognizant of the consequences short of being in the hole. It's killing me not seeing him since he's been in the hole except the one time I went to straighten things out because he misinterpreted my letters regarding his incident. I'm hoping by the time he gets out in the next week or two that we will get a full six hour visit which I haven't had with him since the second time I saw him in early November. I am so glad they didn't write him up after all. That would have been pretty upsetting for sure. See, I told you that CO was a beeotch. I think she's jealous because she probably doesn't have a man in her life and can't handle anyone being as happy as we are especially with bad boys!

Lov, so sorry about the ex troubles. I hope things go more smoothly for you in the future. Women are nuts when it comes to being jealous over their men. One of my ex's lives next door to me! Good thing she can't stand him now pretty much for the same reasons I don't. Mine would give his right eye tooth if I took him back too. They all come back sooner or later. Even Ben! I'm pretty tired of it and am hoping Ben is my last man stop 'til I die!

The one thing I have always found hard to understand and I've read several books now on women and relationships with men in prison is why do we fall so head over heels in love with them? Is it because we can't have normal relationships and all we have mostly are letters? That those letters are always so loving and we get to know them whereas in a normal relationship you hardly ever get that intimate? I often think I need my head examined especially when I tell our story because my background is such that a "bad boy" is the last thing I would ever get involved with. I just wasn't raised knowing anybody who ever got into trouble. All I know is I love him and have since the day I met him. Why they continue to get into trouble is beyond me. Mine I try to convince myself is because of his upbringing, but he has two brothers who live normal lives. Mine was the black sheep and had problems as a child with Tourettes and hyperactivity. Currently, he is writing his life's story for me. I've been thinking lately since there's so little help for people in our situation that I may eventually try to pen a book to help validate feelings and emotions.

So, I'll start the story in another e-mail. Take care and have a swell day, gals! :)

I can tell you from experience at the Train that visiting behind the glass is a fate about as bad as death! You're on a stinking telephone with this godforsaken button you have to push to talk. You forget half the time to push the button! He's in the little room with a speaker. With all the noise and horrible acoustics, you can't hear half of what he says. So, tell them to be on their best behavior if they truly love you because being behind the glass is not the nicest visit for sure. Besides, you can't hold and kiss them. That in itself is the worst punishment. Because mine is in the hole, they have to handcuff him to bring him in and out. That's pretty f'ed up too seeing them being treated like they were Charlie Manson or something! I didn't think that much of it, but poor Ben was so sorry I had to see that. I just wasn't prepared to see it. They also had about 3 guards to escort him too. Like he would do anything! I was told when I made the appointment it would only be an hour which another thing to consider when they go behind the glass, but the guards were in a good mood and they gave us about 2 hours. That was good because what we discussed took that long!

ei:
I'm glad you had a nice visit. I thought I was going to get terminated for over crowding. I was so worried. And then Sunday he was in love. lol He was just extra affectionate and it meant trouble. Plus he was sensitive. He just wants to come home. As of today he has 18 months to go! =o)

We looked for you, but by that time you were gone. I wanted to know if my love knew your husband. Oh well maybe next time. He has the baby wants now so I'm sure if he would have seen your daughter it would have added to it. I want to wait until he gets home, but I have been thinking about it since Sunday. Maybe I'll surprise him when we get closer to his release date. I just don't want him to miss out on the whole pregnancy. I know that he wants to be able to take me to the Dr. and see the ultrasound for himself. Maybe three months until his release we will try.

I miss him. At least it's a short week for me. I'm off on Friday this week. I heard a rumor that they might give us our Friday visits back. That would be a blessing.

Q:
I don't see my guy as a bad boy. I know that he has made a lot of poor choices. I just see him different. I don't feel that he has ever really been given a chance in life. He knows now that this is his chance. He can have all or nothing, it's really up to him. Maybe some of us women just see the good in people and we are just helpful and nurturing on the natural. I know that one of my biggest turn ons is being able to do things for him. Just imagining being able to care for him and have him care for me. It's more than just a sexual thing between us. He knows me.

The guys on the outside, I guess they can disappoint us quicker because we can expect more from them. Afterall they can do more, but choose not to. The little things in life are what matters when things are limited.

You could be with a good guy, but what is that really about? Material things, things that really don't matter, a man that is good in societies eyes, but is cold when you are alone with him. I wouldn't trade anything for what I have with my love. I could never be with someone that didn't make my butterflies flutter. After all these years the butterflies are still there. =o)

Ms, I hear you on all of that. When I say bad boys, notice the words were in quotes. Our guys are not really bad boys as we couldn't love somebody evil. Yes, our fellas never had a chance at life which is why they went the way they did. Yes, they do need to make the decision themselves to turn their lives around. We can't do it for them I found out the hard way. Yes, you gotta have those butterflies to make it worthwhile. I love my baby very much too and wouldn't trade him for all the tea in China. Now maybe for Ben Affleck, but he has his woes too! LOL

Q: I didn't take any offense to it. I hope you didn't take offense to my reply. =o(

Ladies:

I just talked to Taxeria (marriage coordinator) May 20th looks like the date!!! =o)

No, babe, I just wanted to make sure I didn't offend you. Buds forever! LOL

I just finished writing our story and it's 4 typed pages singled spaced! I'll have to do installments unless you guys want to give me your e-mail addresses. I am quite the story teller! LOL

Ms, just read about May 20th! Right on, girl! Good luck and I hope the chaplain stays healthy for you. That's one of my off weeks as I get my nails done every other week. Depending on what time they do the ceremony, I might be able to get up there that day. By the way, if you don't object, what is your man's name? I'd like to see if Ben knows him.

El, my fella too had a drug problem. Add to that stealing and he was a mess. 10 years ago he quit everything - drinking, drugs and even cigarettes. He's been in the EOP program for several years now and it's the best thing that ever happened to him. He goes to groups for anger management, 12 step, medication management, family issues, recreational therapy and a couple others that escape my mind. They gave him a job as a porter (glorified janitor) and he was doing swell until he decided not to take his sleeping medication at 5:00p. I give him lots of credit for being able to kick those habits. I smoke and would sooner starve than go without my cigarettes even though I know they're killing me.

The one thing I have always found hard to understand and I've read several books now on women and relationships with men in prison is why do we fall so head over heels in love with them? Is it because we can't have normal relationships and all we have mostly are letters? That those letters are always so loving and we get to know them whereas in a normal relationship you hardly ever get that intimate? I often think I need my head examined especially when I tell our story because my background is such that a "bad boy" is the last thing I would ever get involved with. I just wasn't raised knowing anybody who ever got into trouble. All I know is I love him and have since the day I met him. Why they continue to get into trouble is beyond me. Mine I try to convince myself is because of his upbringing, but he has two brothers who live normal lives. Mine was the black sheep and had problems as a child with Tourettes and hyperactivity. Currently, he is writing his life's story for me. I've been thinking lately since there's so little help for people in our situation that I may eventually try to pen a book to help validate feelings and emotions.


What is the EOP program?

I think you have hit it on the nailhead for me in regards to the letters. In the beginning when we were just friends, we wrote each other about everything. We were able to write each about things that we were not able to discuss in person, either because we were too afraid or becasue the prison visiting room was not the place for such intimate topics. Even today after we are married and have a child together there are things that I can only write to him about and the same for him.

Elizabeth congrats on the date!! I will be sure to make it up that day!! Are you excited or what!!

Q-I will pm you my email address.

E, EOP is the Enhanced Outpatient Program that allows the guys to participate in all these groups. Once they make the decision to change their lives and leave the gangs and such, they have to go through a lot of torture to get in the program. Ben attends anger management, 12 step, family issues, medicine management, recreational therapy and others I can't remember. They have additional privileges the others don't too. If they are fortunate, they get in and if they've decided to change their lives, this program is fabulous! Hopefully our guys know each other and have him feel free to ask Ben to explain it to him to see if it's something that might be available to him. Ben loves to help others get their lives together for sure. As I asked, MS, if you don't mind, what is your man's name?

Ladies:
I didn't keep up on all 8 pages of this thread, but I did havefamily visits and I'm happy to help with questions about packing and etc. Don't worry about clear backpacks, they will put your stuff into clear bags as they search it. They have lockers for the bag you bring in, along with anything you can't take with you. I found clear bags from a store and used those the whole time.
$80 on food?!?!?! I never spent more than $60 and I thought we did pretty good! You'll get the hang of it and you'll see what you didn't use this time and make adjustments.
Denver used to take the photos, before he had the job I hated having Joe do it, I used to wait for Anthony.
Congrats on your wedding Pam! I hope you found something pretty to wear. I got married in the county jail and didn't even have a contact visit, so try to remember it could be worse! It's not the wedding that really matters, it's the marriage afterwards.

:dance::dance::dance: ELIZABETH IS GETTING MARRIED :dance::dance::dance:

denverswife - I didn't get married !!!! The chaplain called in sick !! LOL. They called me Thursday so now it's in the air when my wedding will be. My first visit was last July and I was wondering if that was your husband that was the photographer coz he takes good pictures. The one now is not too good. LOL.

I thought I was making it up that poor Campos can't take pictures! LMAO I swear I'm going to grab the camera and take them myself! LOL

Q - I look like Ms. Piggy in one shot and another shot we look like deformed. LOL. I want my $2 back!!! And he suppose to be my wedding photographer?!!! Crap.

why do you think i haven't posted a picture of us on here! LOL

So it seems I really need to dish out $20 for the 10 pictures so I'll have at least one decent picture! (for the wedding) I notice, if it's just from the waist up the pictures are kinda decent. Full body shots? Forget it! LOL

If I'm able to be there, I'll take the pictures! I'm not above grabbing that camera from him! LOL I have to keep myself from doing it every time I go there! LOL At least they're only $2 a piece and not $20! I hope you get all 10 pictures that are spectacular!

I broke down and included a couple of pictures of us. One from 1994 and one from 2005. He's got a bit of hair now. I'll send another one soon.

Lordy, only one went through! Here's this century's picture! LOL Don't I still look 29? LMAO If you click on the thumbnail, it gets bigger so you can see my fat better! LMAO

this thing not cooperating with uploading the picture. go figure! trying one more time. if it doesn't go through this time, will try again tomorrow.

okay, figured it out the second one was too big so I cut off some fat! LOL

Good Morning Ladies!

Denise what cute photos! I have to agree about the guy taking photos now....everytime I ask him to take the pictures waist up or higher and in each and everyone you can see my feet!!!!

Debbie the eight (now 9) pages are just us chatting!! LOL!!! I sent in the money for our family visit last week so now I am just waiting now for a date!!

Ladies did you see they made "All Things Mule Creek" a sticky. Should we continue to chat here or there?

Cute pictures Q. I can see you snatching that poloroid camera from the dude. LOL. Seriously, do you think they will let us do that? I mean it will be on the patio, huh?


The baby sure loves her pizza!!! Cute!

Good Morning Ladies:

How are you all? I'm doing fine. Just waiting for the weekend. I'm looking forward to talking to the CO.

All of your pictures are too cute!!! Thanks for sharing.

I'm pretty clueless to this site and only found you guys by accident. I don't have a problem chatting anywhere as long as I don't lose you! What's a sticky besides a post-it note? LMAO

E, thanx for the compliment thinking the pics are cute.

Hope everyone is having a great day!

Lov, I don't know if somone else could take the pictures or if Campos has to be the one. You guys are buds with the beeotch, ask her. She hates me I'm pretty sure though I've never had a conversation with her. I just know she treats me like I don't exist. Keep in mind they're polaroids and those are crap pics anyway. Too bad we can't bring our own cameras in. We're lucky they let go in there dressed!

No matter what, that day will be very special when it does happen. Just make sure somebody is standing by Campos when he's taking the pictures so they can make sure the shot he's getting is a good one. The last time I saw Ben, I took one with the two of us and then because he's such a yuck photographer, I stood next to him to get one of Ben by himself. Ben must be taller than Campos because it looks like he took it from the bottom up! LOL

Yep, last July Denver (Eddie) was taking the pictures. Until he lost his job, right before he left there, so it must have been October ? Before Denver was Anthony (Mohammed) and he took pretty good photos.
Pam! I'm so sorry! How soon can they reschedule? Our first family visit got delayed (only by a week, but it was a LONG week!) and I hate disappointments, especially at the last minute.
And you guys should keep the chat here, since you started it here. And chat isn't really "sticky worthy"!

Ladies, I called the marriage counselor and she hasn't returned the call! So we will see if she calls tomorrow. I'll call her regardless. I hope it's this weekend but can you imagine if she rescheduled but didn't tell anyone of us?

Ok, another hot topic. How many "sexy" pictures have you sent your man? Mine is bugging for more. Ugggh. Isn't one enough? LOL....(he wants to check out the merchandise, I think).

WHAT'S WORSE THAN HAVING YOUR WEDDING DATE CANCELLED?

On a more serious note, you will not believe what is happening!!!!! I am this close to kicking these two guys' butt in my programming class. They are sooo lucky they are not here tonight. Monday night, after I emailed the prof. my code(midterm), I decided to print it out so I can look at it at home. My pride and joy since I got all 4 programs to work! Stupid me was loaded with Tylenol and not thinking straight so I didn't go into the printer room to pick up my paper. I went home. I realized at 10 pm that I forgot to get the papers and think nothing of it, that I will pick it up that Tuesday morning. Come Tuesday morning, it was gone and I thought the janitor probably took all papers to be recycled.
Just now the teacher told me these two guys in class have the EXACT code I wrote. Down to the dot. It's like writting an essay. No two essays are exactly the same. What are the chances of these two jacka$$ going into the printer room to get my copy of the exam? I dont know but they did. They are never in class and are clueless to what is going on in class.
Now I might end up with a 0 on my midterm when I know I got almost 100%. Now that sucks more than the wedding getting cancelled I think.
I am still at the department chair's mercy. I don't even know these two jerks. The next time I see them I will give it to them!!!!!

Lov, I assume you told the prof what happened with the paper. He couldn't figure out those two dudes got hold of your paper? What a dilemma! I am so sorry because I know how hard you have been studying. I hope things work out for you. That prof should have some common sense and know those two dudes are clueless and they ripped off your paper.

That place is infamous for not returning calls in a timely manner. I went through pure torture trying to set up an appointment to go visit Ben in the hole. I don't know how they thought this, but they thought I was an attorney trying to make an appointment with my client! LMAO Those days are over for me. That's how I used to go visit this other fella when he was in county. Gotta love working for attorneys! LOL

I'm sure the marriage counselor will call tomorrow. Perhaps she doesn't have a new date and is hesitating to call. No excuse because she should be courteous enough to return your call if only to say there's no information at this time.

I have never sent a "sexy" picture to my guy. I'd sooner have needles stuck in my eye! I don't have the figure for that sort of thing. Thank God he hasn't asked for one either!

Take care.

The prof. knows that it is my work coz the other two dude have no clue what is going on. But I took her class last quarter also, so she knows me. She also said she knows I don't know those two guys.

On a better note, I got one of my midterm back (the one on Tues. that I thought I messed up) and I got a 96.73%. Now if only I can get married already...

I dont really have the figure for sexy shots either. I gained like 40 lbs since 2001 from 3 pregnancies back to back but I only have 2 kids. ( the first was a miscarriage). But he loves me regardless and doesn't like skinny chicks anyway so I luck out.

Ok . . . who takes your pictures??? Because my guy even though he wants them would flip out. He would ask me who took this picture. I've even thought of getting them done professionally. I do have a guy friend that is gay that I've thought of asking, but my love would insist that he is still a guy, believe he doesn't know him. I've even seen him in heals. What a disappointment, he is a good looking guy. =o)

My girlfriend takes it. We died laughing coz I was VERY uncomfortable. I did the picture with a babydoll on. My man told me to ask her to take it. I was gonna get it done professionally too but with the wedding and all, I dont have the money.

He wanted one topless with my hands covering my high beams with a thong on. Yeah right!!! I am very bashfull and don't have the guts to do it. Plus with my baby belly right now, yeah right. I am not about to be the butt of the joke of the mail room.

I don't have any girlfriend's that I'm that close to. =o( I'm going to figure something out. I have sent him some in the past, but I wasn't to take one for the wedding. =o) I won't go into details here, but if it happens I'll share.

That's really not a priority. Plus I told him to "check out the merchandise" in person. :)
I'm not really comfortable doing that sort of things.

You ladies have a good visit this weekend. Geez, when is this lady gonna call me for the wedding date? My new name should've been "Bride without a wedding date", huh?

Lov, if you don't hear from the wedding coordinator by 4:00p today and because tomorrow is Friday, I'd call again today. Maybe if she sees she has two messages from you she'll pay attention! I can imagine how frustrating this must be for you.

So, what is going to happen with the programming exam? Congrats on acing the exam you thought you messed up! You're a winner and will succeed in anything you do! Continued good luck with your studies.

I give you gals lots of credit for doing the pics for your men. I didn't think they could get pics like that to tell you the truth, but obviously they can. Don't anybody tell my man - he'd want one too then! LMAO You'd think with all this time off I'd be at the gym all day and all night instead of the one night a week I teach water aerobics. I'm just paralyzed with fear over not working and my whole psyche is messed up to the point all I can do is sit at this computer and play games and chat. Then when I get a job I'm all bummed because I never did the things I should be doing instead of feeling sorry for myself and worry about the dude in the dungeon.

Take care.

I'm just so thrilled - I received three letters and a card with a poem today! I was wondering if I'd ever hear from him again because of the holiday. He's doing well and fine and got to go to the store so he has plenty of coffee, deodorant, toothpaste and candy to last a week the way he goes through stuff! Says he's waiting for his report so he can go to classification and get out of the dungeon. He said he'd ask for visits to be reinstated at classification. So I hope they listen and give us back our visits!

Does anyone know if they get mail on Fridays and Saturdays? Ben says they don't pick up, but as I've mentioned he never ever explains things fully. I call him Lucy and always say, "Lucy, you have some 'splaining to do!" :D

I feel much, much better now that I've received some letters.

Take care and thanx for letting me vent!

I'm glad you got MAIL!!!! I'm part Cuban so that hits home!!! j/k I try to splain as much as I can. =o)

All of you guys have a great weekend. Remember it brings us one weekend closer to them coming home! =o)

talk to you Monday. . . I'm going to miss you guys.

Ms, I hope you know I meant no disrespect - I just remember I Love Lucy and how Ricky was always teasing her. Loved that show and thought his Cuban accent was da bomb!

I'll miss all who are unable to post over the weekend. Have swell ones to the ones we won't see.

Take care.

ok it is time for me to bi&*h. The other guys' wedding got rescheduled for Saturday What about me? No calls or anything. I am gonna start at 8 am and call everyone since she is not calling me. Maybe I can talk to the chaplain. The one that messed up. LOL and tell him I live in LA and need to know if I need to be making that 7 hour drive or not. For reals!!!!

No mail delivery to them on Saturdays.
That wedding bull is....well, bull! Everyone there has been so helpful, I can't believe you can't get a call back.
About the photos, use a camera with a timer! I got mine set up on the dresser so it pointed where I wanted it to and took several at the same time. Use a digital if you can, so you can delete what doesn't get lined up right. I did bras, lying on my stomach it doesn't show much but clevage!

Lov, what the flock? That is horrible! Now my curiosity is getting the best of me - how did you find out the others got rescheduled? Call, call, call and cry a lot! Hysterical sobbing works wonders. Yes, calling the Chaplain might not be a bad idea. God bless ya and I hope things go your way very soon.

Take care.

My husband has never asked me for any pictures but I think i might surprise him :p

Pam-what is up with that crap?? Ya call call and keep calling that is really the only think that works!!! When my husband was in Reception I called the counselor once a week to check when he was going to get transferred. One week his mom called on a tuesday and then I called on wednesday , well on thursday he finally met with my husband. After they were done talking he told my husband "ok now go and write your family and tell them to stop calling me because I saw you already!!!" My husband apologized and told him "Im sorry were they not supposed to do that??" and they guy said "its alright this is my JOB!"" So moral to the story CALLLLLLLLLLLLLL til you get a response!!!!

I found out the other guys are getting married tomorrow coz 1) Elizabeth's man told her and 2) my fiance wrote me and said so also. I already called like 10 times. I called Taxeria, I called operator, I called visiting. I'm gonna call the chaplain next.
I AM PISSED!!!!!

Lov, takes me three days to get a letter from that place so your love must have known right away about the others being rescheduled and that really is not right they didn't call you. Getting a return call from that place in the same day is harder than finding hen's teeth! Why they just don't answer the dang phone when it rings is beyond me. I hope this gets straightened out for you very soon. Good thoughts and lots of prayers are with you.

So, are the midterms over so you can enjoy your weekend?

Hope everyone has a great weekend and the weather stays nice for all of us. Take care.

Ladies let's move this chat to MCSP chat thread. We got this whole room for ourselves. Maybe we will get more people to join us there.
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I'm easy - I'll go wherever. Just need directions as i'm geographically challenged! LMAO

Lov, start the thread and let me know.

I did it's MCSP chat. should be right below this thread.

Hey everyone...my guy was in Ayard now he is in C and I miss that visiting room... I'm there every week end either Sat or Sun.. the visiting room on C yard seems cooler though... trying to remember you guys..

hey vikkie we are gonna go chat at the MCSP chat thread. Join us when you can!

Hi Vikkiejean! My guy is in C yard too!

Colossians3Two - come join us nuts in the MCSP chat if you want. we get crazy.

Hi Everyone! Sorry I missed the chat. Maybe next time! :D

Morning Colossians!! We do not chat in the chat room. We have a thread called "MCSP Chat" It is located in the Mule Creek Sub forum. Here is the link: http://prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1771113#post1771113 Stop by and say hi!!

You said you have not been to visit yet. Are you planning on making a visit soon? I go almost every weekend. Ms Elizabeth is there every weekend. If you have any questions about Mule creek just ask!!!!