Hey, To all that is ether related to a sex offender, is one as an ex or curent or whatever else! This is the place to put your views on how megan's law like registrations effect people like you and also How is the system treating sex offender and just about everything about sex offenders in Canada! I want them to have just as much the same right as any offenders would for there rights! Also issues to be talked about and such! This is a important topic to talk about since not alot talk about it from canada's stand point! So come on and post your beef about sex offenders in canadien prisons, in society or else where noted! All about sex offenders in Canada! Place your opinions! The topic is opened! :)

PS: If it is a opisite opinion or question please try to keep it less harsh possible! Thank you!

Steph

Sex Offenders and Dangerous Offenders are labeled offenders. While many of these types of offenders have family that love them, they have still committed heinous crimes that must be paid for. As a Mother of two sons, I am wholeheartedly behind Megan's law due to the fact I want to know who is living across the street from my house in regards to my sons' safety and well-being.
I agree that once they are out of prison, they have paid their debt to society, but I want to be aware if they are a repeat offender, none the less.
I owe that much to my children.

So Steph, your interested in sex offenders in Canada? Are you more interested in how they are treated in prison and such, or upon their release into the community?

I will say that the more I have learned about the Canada Correctional system the more I like it. You have some of the latest and most valuable empircally supported research coming from the programs run there.

Sometime do a search on Canada Correctional Services and just click on "Research" or "search" and they cover so many different areas relating to offenders, programs etc. I've referenced their work many times in my own research.

Did you know that Ontario has a registry for sex offenders and there is only a 90% compliance rate? I really don't think you would see that low of a number here in the states. From what I understand the Canadian people are trying to have a National Registry, but because of lack of cooperation between Providances it has failed to happen.

I have to admit, I'm like Shan & Kev, I think a registry is a good idea. I do not have children, but if I did I feel it would be best to know for their safety, a threat of a re-offende or not.

It really is a difficult area to asses though isn't it? A 'label' will always be with them and if they have truly changed their behavior and thinking pattern they should be free to live a life without that label as they already paid their debt to society through incarceration.

Pam

Yeah, I know it's important a registry! But I don't know! In a way like I heard befor! People want to know so much, but when they do know about it! They don't really know how to well handle it!

In the way I am saying that as it might be protecting kids I understand! But having these offenders in danger from people who could be a danger to them or also in the way that it could start fights and riots and all that! It's really something to think about! In a way it's good! But in a way it's not! I think the only people that should have this info is the ones they know won't do stupid stuff like go to there houses and cause trouble in any way or something!

Too many people knowing so much like that can be dangerous! And as canada has huge privacy laws I think it's one of the violations of privacy laws and also registris break so many laws! Sigh! But I do understand that they should put only those who are dangerous only on the list!

They should at least have some sort of security for them since I feel bad about one trying to start a life! Anyways, your right though! They should get treatment constantly until they are proven cured! And take there medication or any other treatments to protect the kids and all! Fear is dangerous if too much is struck into one's heart!

And about the questions about sexual offenders treated in prisons and outside in the community! I have tryed searching for it but find little I needed to know! I really want to know more about these so called "menace to society" Or "the most hated offenders"! I mean I beleive in justice having correctional and all!
And I just want to know if there being treated as human possible or not! Not in the way like the US but maybe a little less! I understand there crimes are bad and heinous and hated by all! But this is canada and I think people should have a second chance if they do work for it! The medias and goverments label them pretty badly! But I know there gimicks!

The bucks they want you know! So they exagerate alot! Sigh! My biggest goal in life is fairness for all and equality, peace, harmony, helping other and each other! And I just feel that if we want to change then we must do more then what is being done now! Ever since I was born I always had this one thing in me! Repeating it like a sort of mission! A mission to change this world and save it from something! What? I don't know yet but I may know that maybe it could be it's own destruction! Which I wouldn't want that!

There is things that are really wrong in this world and I feel like I'm hear to make sure this happens and to like watch over things! I don't know! I just feel like I have to know that this will change for the better I guess!

Well, give me more info and please all offenders in expecialy sex related cases if in canada please post here thank you :)

Steph

Look up Bowden Pen in your search.
Most of the S.O.'s in Canada end up there.
90% S.O. population there.
Prince Albert has some of the worst, too...in the S.H.U.
Clifford Olsen was housed there, dunno if he is still there.

Sound cool! But want info from this site from ex SO's that spent time in canadien prisons! Just would like to see if the system is a lie or not that's all :)

Info is good when searching the truth! ^_^

Thanks again,
Steph

I truly believe we have the right to know but all too often we do not how to handle it! I myself have a son and am very very leary on things! My man is in the most notorious maximum security prison in canada ( kingston penn) and every visit that I take my son with me, I am very very nervous cause you never know what the other guys are in there for... and it kinda creeps me out but my man says not to worry but still....my son is my son and I want to do whatever it takes to protect him!
The registry may be a good idea but it may not cause , like you all said , most of them have paid there debt to society but at the same time convicted murders that may have done something stupid or a mistake when they are only 19 years old , when do they pay there debt to society..never they are on parole for the rest of there lives!
I have very mix feelings on this one guys! I am torn as a believer that everyone should be given a second chance and as a mother who wants to protecvt her baby boy from all of this bullshit! These SO's need help, they are sick but at the same time we as society has the right to know when there is one living beside us!
Just my 2cents worht..not as if it helped....LOL1
Love stevesboo23

IMO I'm all for a registry. Frankly I would like to know if an offender was in my neighbourhood. I have two young granddaughters and I wouldn't like to think of them being approached or even hurt.

Infomus, you are looking for info about how so's are treated inside, I can share with you what I know. In prison there is indeed a "hierarchy." "Rats" and "skinners" being the lowest of the food chain. Here are a couple of cases that immediatlely come to mind.

A man convicted of raping his girlfriends small daughter was being held in the remand center. When he appeared in court, it was obvious he had been beaten severely. His lawyer said he was afraid for his life. Question is ... who had beaten him? The co's said it was other inmates, the inmates said it was the co's. Nobody was ever held responsible.


A man convicted of abusing and murdering a small girl was sent to prison. Within 2 hours of his being at the prison he was stabbed while getting food in the cafeteria. Supposedly the guards sent out a kite and some of the inmates were waiting for him. Once again, nobody was ever held responsible.

I could think of lots more incidents I'm sure. As Shan says most so's are sent to Bowden Institution, obviously for their own protection I would say.


Gillian

"Just would like to see if the system is a lie or not that's all"

IMO it is totally corrupt. Do you have a loved one in prison?
Gillian

NO, But still! In a place like canada you'd think it'd be lots lots better then in the US! But I guess not! I kind of feel disapointed that canada would allow such things to happen! Beleivers of peace and harmony! And yet they are just as corrupt in the justice system then in the US! It just makes me sick! Sigh! But I guess people will never learn to let them be! And never forgive them! I just wish so much that a society like canada would be lots better in treating sex offenders then the US!

But I guess no matter where they go they'll probably won't have the life they wanted to change for!

People will never learn I guess! People will never beleive really in what jesus said!

How much blood do kids need befor parents are really satisfyed about justice against SO's! I know you want protection for your kids! But not beleiving in true justice is a bigger sin!

Sigh!

oh well! I guess canada is worst then I ever imagined!

Shame on CANADA! SHAME!

Steph

I thought that I would pipe in here too.

I was a victim of a dangerous offender who was convicted of three counts of assault on young girls (9-14 years old). At the time he was 43 years old. He was recently released from a BC prison after serving his entire 12 year sentence. He was denied parole several times as he posed a continued threat to society as a whole (previous victims and anybody in particular). I was researching sites such as this hoping to find ANYBODY who may know of him to assess my own risk of danger. I am not asking for opinions on him ... I am doing enough research alone.

But I did want to say that I have learnt that even though he was in the protective ward, the heirachy may not have competely protected him. At least I hope not.

Well, I'm truly sorry about what happened to you! But if the US changes there prison laws to be that prison rape should be eliminated and also murders should not happen and violence should be at least kept to a minimum! There is a site called www.spr.com which is stop prison rape! Anyways, I beleive in the UN's thinking of prisons have being more educational then punishment! But I guess that might just be me to others outhere! You can not please anybody and everybody! But people should realise the civilised way and the most human ways possible! UN was mostly born for protecting prisonners! I read that on a human rights watch site! I don't know if it's true! But reading it on a official human rights watch home page! I pretty much bet it is! But the good news is that they are trying to stop sexual and other abuses outside and inside prisons! Which if that would take place that would mean that humans have finaly evolved enough to be highly moral! Right now morality isn't too much at it's max! I can understand people saying it is! But looking at this like prison which is still ignored by too many! Morality is still not high enough on earth for humans!

Revenge is never an answer, but justice is, and justice should go both sides!

Also I think that if molestors would still want to harm children! They shouldn't be released at all! But would remain inside until they finaly learn to respect childrens and human life at it's fullest in society!

Another solution like I said in one of my posts would be to build towns for them that would restrict any children or victims or anybody else to enter! Boths sides would be happy!

If the balance tips too much on one side! It will crash sooner or later! But if the balance is balanced at 50/50! Then both power will be as one!

Thanks,
Steph

My boyfriend/common law partner was just sentenced about 2 weeks ago,for 3yrs in the Pen.(I don't know which one yet!)
The crime was against my own daughter.

I have forgiven him and it tears me up inside that he has to go through all this and I hope that he doesn't get "what's coming to him" while he's inside. Although most of my friends are totally against me having contact with him. I know he realizes what he did was wrong,and has apologized to me and my daughter,reassuring her that it had nothing to do with her.

I definately believe in second chances especially with my boyfriend,as I'm very confident that he will not repeat it again.
To be sure though,I imagine we will have to set up appropiate boundaries. We also have to go for counselling,individual,joint/marriage and family afterwards.

Right now I concentrate on my daughter's self-esteem. At the same time I'm not closing the door on my boyfriend,after he has admitted to me,apologized,and also told me horrific stuff from his childhood as well.
I'm the only one he has that believes in the good of him.
My daughter is worried about him as well.
We all just want to heal together as a family.

My boyfriend is looking forward to getting the treatments offered inside. That's why he wanted Pen time, thinking that he would get into better programs.

LOve,peace,hope

Well, your boyfriend will have better chance of curing if there would be more compasion and love in his heart! While in treatment of course! I beleive that love is really strong, so strong that it can overcome the brain's sick and twisted behaviors! I beleive really that love is a big solution when it comes to things of such nature! Give him lots and lots of love and support! And you will see a big difference! Do not set apon the evil of society! Society has much to learn! There beleifs are mostly on there families which doesn't mean it's good! Actualy society thinks it's best to put such people to death or behind in dust as they beleive that there is things that can not be forgiven! Alas, people always judge befor being in other's shoes! It sickens me to think there are people more valuable then others cause it isn't true! Even the biggest "MONSTER" of society can learn to love and respect! Many times people don't give chances! And that is sad cause people don't realise that the more evil you give, then the more evil will return! But oh well, people will always be such ignorent people! They will burn in there own fuel of firing rage inside there soul! I just beleive, that if you project hate! Then that's alot of what you will receive! So my advice to people who hate your boy friend would be that it is better to love then to hate! Cause you never know when it might be your turn around the block!

Steph

Thanks for your reply!
My counsellor is very much against me even speaking about anything good that has happened between us. She tries to convince me that our relationship was bad right from the beginning also it will never be good. She comes across very negative. I would rather find support than negativity. I haven't seen her for about 3wks.

kingston penn is full of SO's as well!!!

Strangeanimal, I would suggest you to not continue with a person that would only discourage you into support and love! It's easy to give up and forget! But the real chalenge in a relationship is making it work! If your husband is not like a psychopatic violent killer! Then why should you not support him? I think that if he's still sane in loving you fully and also that he is completly intact with only problems like so! Then why should any give up! I think those who give up just cause of something that is considered "SICK PROBLEMS" well, I don't think it's too good to just leave! Almost all people and probably all people that has problems and go to prison are people who had rough lives or lives where they didn't quite live there child hoods like normal children would suppose too! Don't forget that a child that is abused in any form can last a life time effect! It could even grow! So that is why it is dangerous! But I think it's wrong to punish abusers so much since they were probably abused children in the past! I think that equaly the victim and the abuser should be treated as such that they would both heal! That is the problem with the system! It only try's to heal mostly the victim and forget about the abuser! But if you don't heal the abuser then the abuser will only continue on there paths! And besides that the victims might become an abuser as well depending how well they can handle it or not!

Steph

PS: Alot of people will tell you it's a lie that victims can't become abusers! I think maybe it depends on alot of aspects if you can handle what happened to you or if you seek help! But I think that alot of abusers maybe even all usualy were abused in some way or form when they were a child! Yet society continue to ignore the facts that victims can become abusers! My other theory would be that a person would snap or become psychotic! No I don't think those who abuse children most of them have psychotic episode! They just have lots of problems that needs to be taking cared of! Some might be even they didn't know the right way! We must heal all sides if we want to live a better community! This is our world so let's treat humans like humans shall we?

Thanks for listening!
Thats another reason I'm believing in us...I understand the anger ...deep roooted anger from childhood and how it can hamper your life,and how you view it. I believe in throwing out a life buoy to someone who needs it. I now he loves me. I know the disappointment ,anger from childhood...you don't cure yourself..you get lots of help along the way!
It's a process!

Well, I do beleive that true love comes from unconditional love! And alot of other people would say the same! Loving a person for who they are and not what they did in the past! Cause the person makes the crime and not the crime that makes the person I beleive! If we want a society we must know more about this thing that hunts so many people! And if we want to destroy it then we must work to get rid of it in the positive kind of way! It will have better healing! negetive like alot of other people tend to think it works! Doesn't! It only makes a person much worst! I can understand that those who are vigilent and protest have reasons! But they do not understand the foundamentals of healing! Cause if they did for real they really wouldn't be so negetive against them! So you see that positiveness can bring a person to love and be better cured! People do not beleive there is a cure cause alot of times don't want to anyways! There mado's are, if a sex offender, always a sex offender! Which is totaly not true and a huge myth that only breaks so many SO's lives! It is not right or true to beleive that Sex Offenders can never be cured! As I beleive it is a sick mind frame! It can be broken with better steos! Those include positive, peace inside, concentrating on women, or men whatever is there preference! And other more effective methods! The goverments need to apply more and more methods of healing if they want to better cure people! That is what alot of goverments fail to do or don't want to do anyways! Peace inside and outside! And lots of love and positive! Making them feel compasion, love and support! I think that hopefuly people will come to understand that what they are doing now! You know just rejecting them like flies swerming around there heads! is not the way! It will only make them worst! So instead of just harming a child or a few! Glad to negetivity which people seem to think it's the best thing to do to this sort of people! You come from being sick to becomming a beast! So really it's like the people that is harming there own children! With ignorence to what is real and what is not! Most people who offend such "CREATURES" usualy are people who don't understand or wasn't too much educated on the subject or didn't really want to be educated anyways!

Please keep in mind that there is a cure! But society will never find it unless they become lots less vigilent and alot more understanding about the rehabilitation process of such people!

Steph

Your words are very comforting!
I find that's what I believe in myself. I do have alot of people even the few that support me,have said to me. "You know he'll never be cured" ,which is the same to say that you'll never be able to trust him again,or he won't be able to stop.

My man tries hard in whatever he wants to do. He recognizes bad behaviours and corrects them....but like I've said before..It's a process,and a lifetime one at that. He'll take a step forward but 2 backwards. He was an alcoholic long before I met him. When I started seeing him...he wasn't even a social drinker. He talk to me about his drinking and his life. I'm understanding as he knows that it was wrong and got him into trouble. He corrected that. Now this happened to my daughter,and he started telling me more about his childhood,and he feels bad and knows that it's not normal,or good as he previously thought. I believe him. So because society says these people need to be kicked around to near death,castrated and whatever else done to them,doesn't make it right. He's still a person,the last time I saw him anyway,and people don't need to be treated like they are *hit! Like they were never good,they were born to do this crime. As if they'll never be forgiven or redeemed. He's trying and I'm supporting him,there's nothing wrong with that!

Well, it's just that what makes people so against these people is the extent of the crime and the beleive in society that everybody has to love children! As I know it is the basic duty to do! Nature has it that some males just want mating and nothing to do with children! Like someone said to me once: Some are meant to be fathers and other's are not! But let not forget that this is a serious problem! It acts just like a desease! Once it hooks it is very hard to get rid of! But not impossible as society seems to think! Actualy I think people usualy see the worst case senerios of those that can't change at all or doesn't want to change at all! But society should generilise people like so! Now psychologist will say there is no cure! But first of all it's been like what? almost 30 years of study and that is not really long on something that should of been studyied long ago! And the programs they have! I mean some are not so effective and they don't really have alternative methods with it! They should try many many methods and even try methods in labs to find out which ones are the most effective! From what I heard only one of them is truly effective! The rest aids but it doesn't really provide a solid foundation! So like I said, it isn't curable cause they haven't found the right methods yet! But until society wakes up and smell what is really happening instead of just trow them away and that's it! They seem to ignore the subject! But let me tell you something! If Correctional services could finaly heal fully or almost fully a invidual then the world would be a much safer place for children! But the only thing really society wants is them out of the picture! Well, they will always exist even though they'd go and kill every last one of them! Cause new ones would only be born of this mental disorder! I am telling you that society has a wrong idea about how to deal with Sex Offenders! They consider Sex a HEINOUS act anyways! With or without children in the picture! Sex will always be in majority of society as the vowl beast that must be beaten!

But what I find strange is that murderers and robbers are much more tolerated then Sex Offenders!

Also people have the bad idea about ex sex offenders being really dangerous! mostly 80% of victims were done by someone they knew in there family or knew in there life! So anyways I think really that it's like the "BLACK" man! The cripled! The one everybody can walk all over and nobody would say a word! You know! The baddest black sheeps of society!

I heard about a guy that killed his friend cold blooded cause her daughter had said that he'd harm her or something like that!

The guy got 10 years minimum! He would of gotten less if the judge was allowed less! It could of been even like less then 6 months or so!

What was really intreging is that did the police force got other evidence that the crime took place else then saying what was done? Like majority of society thinks children can't lie but while children are getting smarter these days they are capable of lying!

But anyways, what the guy did was worst then what his friend did in my book! But he was of course the hero! Even though the defence lawyer told otherwise!

Sure, it's like that huh! Kill a few Sex Offenders and you walk away a hero and with a slap on the rist!

But kill other people and it's 25 years to life!

The system to me of society and the so called "JUSTICE" is mostly based on revenge and that is the truth! It is happening here and everywhere else I bet!

People think that there is a crime a man can do that is unforgivable and it makes the man not a human being anymore! So people can just walk all over them! And sex offenders are usualy the lowest in the food chain! With tv shows like CSI, Law and order and the news and other things! It makes you wonder so much why people hate these people so much! Well, easy! Cause we all know the effect TV has on people! What they don't get is like a huge % of what is on tv is lies or bending of the truth for greater ratings! But alot of people beleives it!

It's like this! People that want to support SO's! Alot of them anyways are ashamed of doing such a thing cause of the other prejudice! They fear it might ruin there reputation in society!

Why should reputation be so much #1? It's like saying you only have one chance in life! One reputation! So make it a good one! And if you break it your fucked!

If we didn't make mistakes in life we wouldn't be human beings!

I think people that harm children or whatever else are not so different then any other people who makes mistake!

It is different but there are lots of errors!

Mistakes are usualy bad things that we don't see yet but we realise after!

Mistakes are how we learn!

We can never support any bad things!
But we can support the human being!

We have this complicated system which really is only simple!

So please, keep it simple and not complicated so less mistakes are made!

Steph

Alot of what you say is the truth. I't's great that you have come to that point.
Human's are complex creatures. Some males are not meant to be fathers you say. There are some females that are not meant to be mother's...but society has the view that most women are maternal,and that's been ingrained in the females,since childhood. Does it make it wrong? If so, who says? Who determines what is right?

I go by my instinct,it feels right that I should stick by him. I would hate myself if I turned my back on him,just to keep up the status quo,common thought.

The studies about Sex Offenders usually say they always repeat again once released,sometimes much more complex situations then before. Refering to Olsen. But do they know the people doing these crimes repeatedly. I believe that my man will not repeat. I'm sure that's a concrete belief too. I don't understand...why it assumed that he will. And also be punished fori doing something that was done to him repeatedly for years as a child. It's like punishing the victim.

Hello everyone,

I am replying to the sex offender registry post. I beleive whole heartedly that sex offenders released from prison provincial as well as fed , should be required to report to the local police station and have their names posted by the police upon their release. Many Many sex offenders living in communities across BC are continuing to offend . One of the ways that we can support both offender and and potential victim that this person has now been released into the community. The offender can be kept track of , people will watch, and make sure they are being responsible for themeselves as well as their loved ones. The Police can not or will not be able to protect us from this kind of preditor it is up to us to make sure we can and do protect ourselves against these people. If the sex offender is trully rehabilitated they will welcome the support of their communities in attempting to watch over themselves as they do not become prey to this person if they otherwise decide they want to offend again.We as Canadains need to be aware that we need better laws to protect those who may become victimized by a sex offender. We need also to understand that this is usually young girls and boys, and single mothers with young children. We must help all those in a position to be targeted to have avoice about htis topic and be protected aS much as the law can.

Uh- as I understand sex offender, it can mean many many things these days. Should a young man who slept with a girl two years younger be stigmatized? Do communities in BC offer TLC ad support with their watching? or just stigma? Reading here I have come to realize this is a complex question indeed.

A big problem with posting the names of sex offenders into the community is vigilents against them! I can understand vigilents against them if they were to try to harm children! But if sex offenders just want to rehabilitat themselves but the people are so much against them that it's hard! One of my biggest thing against registry is crimes commited against them! Just as an example, in UK I swear that if they had a sex offender in there premiss! Then he'd be lucky to be alive afterwards! Not all sex offenders are repeat offenders! I bet a handful of them just one to forget there past and move on! I think it's wrong for the people to generalise all of them as child killing monsters! I bet some even have full compasion for children wouldn't even hurt them! Don't forget that people should never associate predetor with sex offenders, nether child molesting with sex offenders, or even pedophile with sex offenders! Also it has been studied that people can be pedophile yet not hurt any children duren there lives and live there lives as if they didn't have it! People should just stop that generalisation and judge by ether there medical records or the goverments themselves! We must all as communities and societies work together so everybody is in peace and happy!

Another problem with registry is that it goes against the federal constitution and international human rights! But what am I to know! All I know UK and the US! Which are two countries now that refused to listen to the UN! Now have federal registries! I don't know if the UK has it but last I heard I think they do!

Bottom line is, registry would be great if it wasn't for all the vigilent people that gets that info, people that hunts them like dogs and also the effect it has on private, social and economic status!

I'd really like a sure plan to work for both sides without flaws! But problems with society alot of times is they just can't handle the info and even the idea of having such a person so close! Also people should stop and realise that the study of sex offenders have been for no more then over 30 years! Alot of other crimes had been studied way befor that! Let us hope that peace will be restored for all human beings! But I hope that will be in the future near 2012-2013 the predictions was I checked on the net!

We will see!

Steph

Hi again,

I know that his is a very upsetting topic for anyone with a loved one in prison. I am also aware that many sex offenders doing federal time are at great risk to be severly hurt even killed. I beleive this is the case because the laws in Canada do not reflct the magnitude of this offence. Vigilanyism is something prisoners do because they can.
In answering your question should a person whom has been convicted of having a sexual encounter with a minor be consequenced by a registry? I trully beleive yes they should be. Could a 16 year old boy or girl be having consentual sex with a 12 or 13 year old. It is illegal to have sex with a minor child.I understand there are many circumstances surrounding sex and teenagers. I would like for the people on this site to understand that a sex offence in BC is alomost immpossible to recieve. The charge is plead down to robbery, assault, aggravated assault. No sex referance is mentioned. This means a simple 30 day stint in the local jail should have actually have been a 5 year sentance. BC is notoriouse for the amount of sex assault victims, it is also known world wide for it;'s prolific child ponography, and sexual exploitation of many many girl children. Children are shipped in and out of Canada by way of BC. They are sold all over the world , they call these people sex slaves. This topic is not widley talked about because the laws in this province do not reflect this truth but it is true. The fact that this City is growing at an alarming rate, politions refuse to assist the victims wishes, and that the Olympics will be in Vancouver soon, we as BC residents will watch a rise in seriouse sex crimes. We need to protect ourselves and our children, as well as the senior citazen population who is hard hit with violent home invasion turning to rape . Read the paper listen to the words, if you are a victim of sexual assault of any kind in this province you have little to no right. You can not even in most cases litigate against this person in civil court as the cost are astronomical and most victims are not capable of paying. Stick up for your self, say no more pain. Say I am important enough to protect.

thank you for reading

stopsexofenders, your views in regurads to where you live is well noted and you won't find much disagreement with them in general, here at PTO.

What has become a floating concern is the user name that you choose, It does depick a "vendetta" against all S/O's reguardless of your words!

Here at PTO, we are a "support" entity for "all" our members and we have some members who's love one is in prison or has been releast with sex charges. NO ONE condones these charges! But "we" support there effort to servive and get through these delimmas that they live with.

Anything that flows against this "support" of these members and/or there loved ones, or any member, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!

IMO, your choice of a user name has put you at a disadvantage from the get-go. Thread lightly!

You say that victims has little to no rights and that is not true! The UN clearly states to protect both women and children in human rights, Canada also has a chart to protect citizens! And there must be victim protection if they "suspect" that they would diffenetly return on the victim! But I don't understand, could you clearly state what rights you think victims or need? It would be great to know from this as I have a open mind for alot of things! But you say that prisons have the right to vigilentish or something in prison! That shouldn't be! There is strick laws suppose to reduce and stop prison corruption as inmates and staff! USA has a huge problem with rape in prison and has issued a PRISON RAPE ELIMINATION ACT 2003! It has gone federal at the signature of President bush to make the law federal to work to reduce and even try to eliminate prison rape behind bars! Some guy had a very good idea of a system that would be put on staff and inmates to reduce the corruption by 65% The imates couldn't hide to rape somebody! And the staff couldn't hide to rape as well! Women's prisons is mostly staff and inmate rape! Women to women rape is rare and when it does happen is quite agressive emotionaly! In men prison it's a totaly different story! Most rapes are done men to men and even gang to men! Which has no chances of excape! I can't also get the idea of why goverments can't control a prison and let the inmates do what they want?! There was this politician that once said that this was there home so they could do what they wanted??? Sounds pretty nuts to me that the cruel and most violent abuses the system and the weaker inmates that are most target or/and has a hard time deffending themselves!

Also some people might find it amusing that sex offenders "GET WHAT THEY DESERVE" behind bars! But actualy it's just a system of an eye for an eye which is totaly not true! In a civilised society should think more of rehabilitation then cruel and unusual punishment! Cause that really what it is!

Now sure there is alot going on and sex offences are rising! But did anyone figure out why this is happening? I find it ironic that nobody ever thought that there might be something more then just people abusing kids! Who knows, but there is alot of studying to be done about it! I sure know that the world is changing, but we shouldn't just make victims and kill ourselves! We're on this earth together! And I just wish people could learn to get along no matter who you are, what you are, what religion you are in, what you did in the past, or whatever else! But that's something big to hope for! A part of humanity isn't listening yet! And until it does, then society will continue to have problems!

Also another thing, if people would stop attacking these offenders and start realising that they want to have a fresh start! Then maybe ricidism wouldn't be so high! I think a big problem is that people have a hard time of changing there old ways, hense, finding a good job, getting educated, having a apartment or home and ect.. of the rehab program that should be! Ex-con's that find work are less likly to re-offend! Most that marry and have a life as a couple are less likly indeed to ricidism! If you give ex-con's a bit more then they would less likly risk in losing what they have!

To me true rehab takes cooperation to all! If people just keeps going after these offenders! Then the crime will only rise since people will deprive them of having a normal life! Police and goverments will have a hard time knowing where they are or keeping track of them! And sooner or later the ricidism will rise!

ALSO, over 80% of cases of child sexual abuse and child rapes usualy are done with people they know! Usualy inside the family tree! The other percentage is strangers!

Now if you don't beleive me it's on the net almost everywhere! You say you read the news papers and hear the news! Don't forget that the media will always exagerate or make a little thing a huge thing for money! They are in it for YOUR MONEY! If you want to know if really compagnies are greeding then look at the oil compagnies!

I have absolutly no problem with the fact that you are incredibly posting your opinions calmly and making your point proffesionaly without pointing any fingers you are more then welcome! But there are alot of other forums our there that are against offenders as you are!

Now are you against mostly just the human being or the thing one would do?

There is a difference betweine going against child sexual abuse and going against the person that done it!

Now I know that in some way they are related and I know that! But you must understand that like I said there is people out there that is but don't do! And other's that is but do!

Also, there is alot of studies to be done on sexual abuse and it is being done hopefuly!

We can't just jump to conclusions on a over 30 year research! It might take some more time befor the issue really clears up!

But one thing is for sure! You should always read alot of info on the net on the issue! I suggest reading usualy those that are created by scientists and proffesors! They are the best! They will get you a much clearer picture as they don't usualy lie as far as I know! The media is a money machine! That's why it's important to double check your resources!

Right now sexology which is the study of sex and sexual behaviors and how it goes into the world and all! Probably are the ones studying the issue the most! Law enforcements and the goverments get there info hopefuly from sexologists! It's pretty crazy to think there is really people studying sex! But hey, there is a study on demon's too! So why not :)

I finf it quite odd that the last 30 years has been a huge witch hunts! Expecialy recently! Could it be lack of info? Or something else?

Remember what happened in the UK on 2000! it was the Name and Shame compaigne that turned into a rioting disaster! Houses were burned, cars were trashed! A whole blocked was terrorised! Including innocent people on a list of pedophiles that really the news papers had wrongfuly accused!

Most people would want these people hanged! But alas first off there is laws against hatred, murder, violence and such against anybody! And second, even though you would kill every single one on a list! You won't be able to stop it! You could kill them all in the world! There will be others!

Until people really know the real issue then people will know how to really stop it! And that is abuse of any kind during a child's life! Lack of education and learning! Lack of developement and building! Sometimes and probably more then one time! Not enough love!

People and parents mostly should understand that there is more things that can harm a child then sexual abuse! There is Verbal abuse, physical abuse, mental abuse! And there might be more! The point is that people seem to focus alot on just sex offenders and they seem to kind of forget the other kind of abuses to a child!

I read about a women that attached her son to a tree, and put a dead chicken on her neck and lit him on fire! The boy survived with major burning injuries! The women got 2 months in prison with 2 months parol!

So you see, there is much more here then we know of! Yet there are people out there hurting kids physicaly and might also kill them! But while we shouldn't ignore the fact that sexual abuse exists! Other forms of abuses exist also!

So why? Why is only sex offenders to be registered and branded for life? To me it looks more like revenge then just safety! If they really want to protect children then make a registry for all felonies!

There are over a million things to seriously harm a child! Some of them can pretty much scar a child for life! Yet we still ignore the fact that society focus more on one thing and starts to forget the other things!

Sure it exists, it's bad and terrible! But other things exists and it's bad and terrible also!

I find it disturbing that attention of a people seem to be focused alot on one issue!

Who knows we might find something that would finaly put them as a normal ex-con instead of a lowlife monster that deserves to die!

steph

Salut! Very Well said! Bravo! Infomus!

I find it disturbing that attention of a people seem to be focused alot on one issue!

I have never yet seen you post on any subject but this.
What's up with that?

I have posted other things! But the issue about sex offenders I find it hard that it's so ignored in people's mind! If people were to just ignore the problem as if it was to fly away then there wouldn't be real help! I am trying to help people from the perspective of something that is classified as "THE WORST" in commuties! To me, when somebody says sex offenders, it's like talking about a new sort of class other then just offenders! The way society see's it is that there is 3 pictures to be painted! There is the offenders and there is then the sex offenders or "THE SICK PEOPLE" or "MONSTERS" people would say! To me I am just trying to just help people in that field as it seems to be a issue much ignore by people! There are lots of things to be changed in the world and the perpective of Sex Offenders of the people is wrong! Generalisation is usualy the key mostly! I know that other offenders has that too! But the touching thing about it is the way society treaths such people! As if animals were better! They hunt them down, vigilent against them, some are even killed like animals with people saying "They deserved it!" And a whole breed of genocide seems to be on the generalisation that all sex offenders are "child rapist killing monsters" that only live on sex! Well, that might be the case for a few! Even then I don't know! But generalising everybody with sexual offences as people that are dangerous to children and treathen the lives of society to me is quite wrong! There are lots of other things, like the posting on the web of sex offenders while forgetting there rights! I mean it is starting to seem like these people for some are treated worst then catle! With the branding and all! Why should I care? Why should anyone care? Well, someone gots to care one time or the other! Why can't people forgive these people? Most of them didn't kill anyone, so why should they be treated much worst then murderers that comes out?

These people have a illness and have problems! But people seem to forget that they are human beings! I have started to care about them since I was a child since I thought there was something wrong with the picture!

But if it's really true that most that hurts children are family related! And strangers are much rarer! Then the myth is still outhere and the truth isn't exposed enough or people don't buy it! Whatever the deal is! I care for people! And right now the offenders that seems to have the tougher life are Sex Offenders!

Now I know that victims suffers too! But there is suffering on both sides! And if we want a society civilised and not some caveman kind of society! We must learn to help each other! No matter who we are or what we are or what we did in the past! Just living as one, peacefuly and like it was meant to be!

That is just some of the many reasons why this subject seems to be one of my biggest target! Cause people deserve the same treathment as any other ex-con's! Regardless what they did in the past!

Steph

PS: About your quote to answer it! I was meaning that society has seem to put sex offenders as a scapegoats! Blaming alot of there problems on them, letting out rage! You might not see it like that but it sure looks to me kind of like that!

Scapegoat: In greek, there was a priest that used to pick out a goat from a heard and make a ritual while making people confess there sins and there wrong doing to the goat! It was beleived that all sins would be the goat's problem and that the goat would be the one punished and not the vilagers! The goat was then released back into the wild who;e caring the sins of the people with it forever!

Hi

I just wanted to add my story to this great discussion.

I admit now, that while my son and daughter were growing up, I was very uneducated on the subject of sex offenders. I was judgmental and just assumed that all labled sex offenders were equally as evil. I am very embarrassed and dissappointed in myself for not doing my homework and researching the subject before making a judgment.

Someone very close to me has recently been labled as a sex offender because he had a girlfriend who was 15. He was 22 at the time. Everything was consensual, but as we all know, someone under the age of 16 is not considered to be able to consent to something on his/her own. This particular "offender" is a very good person with a loving, compassionate heart. He is gentle and generous and sweet. He doesn't deserve to to put into the same category as a dangerous sex preditor, but at a glance, in the sex offender registry, all sex offenders are considered equal. I am guilty of believing this myself at one time.

I just wanted to express this: Not all sex offenders are equal.

Thank you very much for your attention.

That is so true....and it happens alot unfortunately. But just the word sex offender creates fear inside alot of us and most don't know how to deal with this fear except to avoid it, ignore it, turn their back away from them....or attack them. It's like that is all they focus on and nothing else. It's a shame....but it's good to see your heart has been opened and not closed off. Only good things will happen with an open heart. I hope you will be a support to this person who is close to you, because that makes all the difference in the world. Good Luck