Just Wondering How Many People Think Lifers Should Get There Family Visits Just For U Can Know I Think They Should I Surport Them 100 Percent

I believe that Lifers or long timers are the ones that need and should get their family visits back.

I defenetly think they should get their family visits back especially since they have nothing else to look forward to...Besides a visit. Its already bad enough that they will never be free in this life again at least give them that.

I belive there was some kind of petition or appeal of some kind fighting this? Does anyone know anything about it? I would defenetly support it.

Hello Ladies,
In the next couple of weeks I will post something about lifers and getting family visits. There will be a support rally on Feb 10 at the Captiol in Sacramento. I will inform everyone with more details as I learn about it...I do believe that Lifers should get their visits back but, also know that they are trying to take visits away from non-lifers too... God Bless

Lifers should get family visits, absolutely, postively.

Yeap, I agree 100%
Also, I really am interested in participating in the rally. I live in the bay area so I really would like to attend and would love to pass out fliers.
I hope this rally grabs the attention of the first lady Governor, Maria Shriver.

Hi,

I also think that lifers should get their family visits back! I would like to help too..


Rebeca

I would like to know all the info on that! I live in Phoenix and definalty would like to attend no doubt. Keep me posted for sure!! :thumbsup:

I believe Lifers should get family visits and I believe that all states should allow them!

Hello Ladies,
In the next couple of weeks I will post something about lifers and getting family visits. There will be a support rally on Feb 10 at the Captiol in Sacramento. I will inform everyone with more details as I learn about it...I do believe that Lifers should get their visits back but, also know that they are trying to take visits away from non-lifers too... God Bless

Omg....please do keep us posted! I dont know if I could make it to Sacramento but I can defenetly write letters ..make phone calls & support any other way! I defenetly want to know what can be done to help!!!



Ponchos Love

I really don't know how I feel completely about it. I do understand where the CDC is coming from. They don't want men to be fathering children they may potentially never be able to come home to, but if we are talking about who gets family visits, what about the women? Women inmates in California do not get family visits.

I don't really know what is right or wrong in these situations, but I understand both sides.

I find your comment rather intetesting.
Somerdawn, no one has the right to tell someone they could not be a parent based upon their absenence.
If that's the case then the government should tell Military wives and husbands that they are not allowed to have children either. you see my point?
Also, there are other States that do allow Family visits to lifers as New york that have benefited from this.

I posted this a while back check this out"

Here's the infamous letter that pretty much got all of the lifer's family visits taken away. Mind you that my husband WAS NOT convicted of any crimes of sexual offense stipulated in this letter. As a matter of fact, people that were convicited of NON-VIOLENT crimes have life sentences(three strikes law) and therefore are not even eligible for family visits!




GOVERNOR'S OFFICE

December 9, 1993


The Honorable Dean Andal
Member of the Assembly
State Capitol, Room 4116
Sacramento, California 95825
Dear Dean:
This is in response to our meeting in late October concerning your efforts to repeal conjugal visitation "rights" currently enjoyed by inmates in California's prison system. After much study of the matter and consultation with law enforcement officials throughout my administration, I am offering my strong support to your proposal.
I think you should, however, focus your efforts on repealing these visits for sexual predators and other violent inmates.
Were I able to terminate the present practice administratively by executive order, I would do so without hesitation. However, I have been advised by my own legal counsel and counsel for the California Department of Corrections that state law, something shamefully known as "The Inmate Bill of Rights" signed into law in 1975 by then Governor Jerry Brown, makes that option problematic.
For this additional reason, I urge you to broaden your proposed legislation to include full repeal of the Penal Code provisions which constitute the Inmate Bill of Rights. It is essential that we undo the Jerry Brown-Rose Bird laws that prevent the prison system from performing its function; the Brown-Bird handiwork is a handicap to prison administrators seeking to deter recidivism.
Under these laws, California prisoners are guaranteed the most extensive rights and protections in the United States. This includes the right to challenge any and all regulations relating to visiting. It also restricts the right of prison officials to prohibit the receipt of dangerous or unseemly literature. It is outrageous that we cannot prevent convicted child molesters and other sex offenders from receiving hard-core pornographic material.
In interpreting this law, the California Supreme Court has held that there must be a tight nexus between security and any proposed restriction on inmate "rights". In fact, the defining 1986 opinion by former Chief Justice Rose Bird, severely and unreasonably restricts state authority, declaring that prison officials cannot impose any limitation on inmate behavior unless "... it is the least restrictive alternative available ..." to accomplish this goal.
Society must be protected from violence. That's why we put violent criminals in prison - to remove them from society. They can't hurt people when they are behind prison bars. But because California's criminal law provide lenient sentencing and a system of credits that fails to keep dangerous convicts locked up long enough, too many dangerous people are leased from prison and commit additional violent crimes.
To protect society, we must change the law.
First, we must keep violent offenders locked up much longer.
We must end California's absurdly lenient system of prison credits. And in the case of sex offenders - namely rapists and child molesters - the first offense should be the last: they should be locked up for life. We must change the law to protect innocent women and children.
Second, addressing the problem on which you have focused, we should heed the pleas of the families of victims of violence. Crime victims' organizations point out that it is unjust to permit violent criminals to enjoy what their violence has denied to victims and their families — the pleasure and comfort of loved ones.
The case is obvious where the victim has been murdered and literally taken from family and friends.
But where the victim has suffered not death but the devastating trauma of rape, child molestation, or physical injury, the victims' groups argue that the victim has been at least figuratively taken from them and that simple justice requires that the perpetrator of that violent crime be deprived of conjugal visits for the period of his incarceration. I whole-heartedly endorse this position. All to often the predators serve a term that is dangerously too short, while their victims "do life."
Justice demands that part of the punishment for these intolerable acts of violence should be the prisoner's loss of the right of conjugal visitation.
So again, recognizing your leadership on this issue and shared concern for victims' rights, I urge you to introduce early in the year, legislation repealing conjugal visits and the Inmate Bill of Rights.
Sincerely,
PETE WILSON


I really don't know how I feel completely about it. I do understand where the CDC is coming from. They don't want men to be fathering children they may potentially never be able to come home to, but if we are talking about who gets family visits, what about the women? Women inmates in California do not get family visits.

I don't really know what is right or wrong in these situations, but I understand both sides.

I forgot to add, this is just not about sex.
This is about family, hence, "family visits".
What about the children were there before the time of their father's incarceration?
With family visiting, they get to spend one on one time in a "home" type of environment with their children.
I'm not knocking your opinion hon, it's just that there are so many misconceptions about this.

I believe that inmates should be evaluated as a individual and then by that base their ability to have family visits. Also the visitor should have to sign a waiver saying they understand the circumstances and/or any type of danger. Not all inmates are alike and who is to say who can and can't father children. We know that their are absent fathers in society, that are not even locked up! So that's all just a cop-out!!!:blah:

Women inmates in California do not get family visits.

Incorrect, they do get family visits. CCWF and VSPW are both setup for family visits (you walk past the apartments to get to the regular visiting area -- and get to smell their BBQs!, there's designated "family visiting" parking, and a dedicated family visiting office); I suspect CIW is too, but I can't confirm that.

Incorrect, they do get family visits. CCWF and VSPW are both setup for family visits (you walk past the apartments to get to the regular visiting area -- and get to smell their BBQs!, there's designated "family visiting" parking, and a dedicated family visiting office); I suspect CIW is too, but I can't confirm that.

Oh, I am so sorry for getting that wrong. I talked to a husband with a wife in the system, and he told me they don't get family visits in California. Thanks for correcting me. I hate having wrong info.

Excuse me ladies, The CDC HAS already taken family visit's from those that are not lifer's if you have a lot of time or have a violent crime in your jacket - you WILL not get family visits, the case for family visit was fought in court a few year's ago the attorney that went to bat for us gave all that he had and we still lost! I feel if we could really get this thing together and I do MEAN a BIG show of support we could do something, but people say one thing and do another - I would like to see Lifers have visit's as long as it's not some one who has hurt children.

My husband is a non violent sex offender, and we can't even have our daughter visit him behind glass. Sex offenders of any kind can't have visits from their children. It is insane. We don't get family visits either. That is why I don't really see it as a need for lifers to get family visits when we can't have our baby girl even see him.

I agree with you, someone that hurts children should not be allowed family visits or any visits for that matter.

Now are you talking about the battle with Heidi?
I know that she stated it was lost and she was the one that had the petition going on awahile ago but she said that she's not into it any longer.(Activism)
I think there's another battle brewing here.
I'm about action and I hope those that say they want to participate are serious as well.
I'm all for joining in. Just let me know where and who to talk to.

Excuse me ladies, The CDC HAS already taken family visit's from those that are not lifer's if you have a lot of time or have a violent crime in your jacket - you WILL not get family visits, the case for family visit was fought in court a few year's ago the attorney that went to bat for us gave all that he had and we still lost! I feel if we could really get this thing together and I do MEAN a BIG show of support we could do something, but people say one thing and do another - I would like to see Lifers have visit's as long as it's not some one who has hurt children.

I'm sorry to hear that Somer beause I know you can be convicted of a sex offense just by urinating in public but stating that we shouldn't be able to have it because your not will not help either of us.
I think these are two different type of battles because we are speaking of time and not the actual offense. Since those that are convicted of the same type of offense but have an out date can have family visits. So the offense is not in question but the time is.



My husband is a non violent sex offender, and we can't even have our daughter visit him behind glass. Sex offenders of any kind can't have visits from their children. It is insane. We don't get family visits either. That is why I don't really see it as a need for lifers to get family visits when we can't have our baby girl even see him.

All I can say is that I want family visits and I will fight til the end to be able to have some quality time with my man!!!

Somerdawn, you don't care about lifers having family visits because your man will be home soon. It will all be over for you soon, there are some of us out here that are sticking by their man for life and we have the same feelings as you!!! :cuffs: :shrug: :grouphug:

My husband is a non violent sex offender, and we can't even have our daughter visit him behind glass. Sex offenders of any kind can't have visits from their children. It is insane. We don't get family visits either. That is why I don't really see it as a need for lifers to get family visits when we can't have our baby girl even see him.

I do think that more inmates including lifers should get family visits, and I am sorry that I took out some frustrations about our situation in this thread. I hope that the CDC will start to understand your point of view, and that inmates that deserve the chance at a few nice moments with thier families get them. Sorry again. I just get upset sometimes that our little girl hasn't seen her Daddy in over a year, but I do have the luxury of him coming home soon even though the restrictions will be unbarable at times.

Best of luck and I hope you get the family time you deserve.

I understand that the CDC doesn't want inmates producing fatherless children but babies are born everyday without the father being involved. Women get artificially inseminated without a "Dad". Plus, if we have family visit's the father can be involved in a small way. I know that once every couple months being with Dad is more than my kids see their father and he's not in prison. I'd give anything to have a family visit with my husband. ALSO, if the CDC makes a family visit an earned privilege it would cut down on violence in prison. I know my man would be a REALLY good boy if he could get that kind of visit.:thumbsup:

Maybe We Can Do A Rally Down Here In So Cal. Any Ideas I Really Want To Fight For These Guys To Get There Visits Back And Thats True Maybe Must Of Them Would Act Right If They Had Something To Look Forward To

(((((hugs))))) Somer,
you don't have to apologize about anything. You were venting and that's fine. We know how you feel and we all responded here politely to your post because we can feel your frustration. As you can see we have very strong feelings about our issue as well and the only way we can cope with it is by supporting each other.:)


I do think that more inmates including lifers should get family visits, and I am sorry that I took out some frustrations about our situation in this thread. I hope that the CDC will start to understand your point of view, and that inmates that deserve the chance at a few nice moments with thier families get them. Sorry again. I just get upset sometimes that our little girl hasn't seen her Daddy in over a year, but I do have the luxury of him coming home soon even though the restrictions will be unbarable at times.

Best of luck and I hope you get the family time you deserve.

MAMMAS,
If nothing happens by next year, I really hate to put it up so far but I will be in law school by then and I have a few avenues to take to help change this.
There are a couple of poltical figures that I would like to reach out to and also I have a lot of research to do.
So hang tight because when I start, nothing will stop me until I succeed.

Hi ladies I found this last night on pto's website. even though the date says 11/05. please fill it out anyway.. my honey is in folsom and I would love to be able to spend some quality family time with him.. :)

Your signature has been added to the petition .
To return to the petition, please go to:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/163092066 (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/163092066)
You will receive a confirmation of this signature in addition to this
email.
It will take 20-30 minutes for your signature to be displayed on the
petition.

Whats Going On Ladys Just Thought I Would Bring This Form To The Top Maybe Soon These Guys Can Get There Visits Back

Oh, I am so sorry for getting that wrong. I talked to a husband with a wife in the system, and he told me they don't get family visits in California. Thanks for correcting me. I hate having wrong info.

All Cali prisons have family visits.. but as you have read here, many kinds of prisoners don't qualify. :(

In prison as a sex offender, that wasn't easy. I was 18 years old when that happened. Went to prison for 7 years, no family visits, got out, got caught up with ex cell mates, back to the pen. Hanging out with excons when you're an ex con is not a good idea. No family visits again. Damn, almost no time out and back again, misdemeanor for anyone else, felony for an ex con. The last one was a stolen magazine, 4 years in the poky.Never sexually offended again and won't. The last term I got married. The family visits were still intact, we used them, and regular visits.Then while I was in, they were taken away from sex offenders, lifers, and people who have domestic violence, and it;s still that way. The family visits really helped my wife and I, there is no doubt. It also helped me. In the insanity that is prison, I heard this one lone voice of sanity, my wife's.
We talked a lot, about things you can't talk about in front of other inmates in regular visiting. We talked about my sex offense and how I grew up and all the things I never resolved within myself. It got me to thinking a lot, a whole lot. We went a year without family visits, she had an affair, told me about it and asked me not to blame her. I didn't, my fault i was there and not at home. She stood by me through all this hell, I would stand by her. I got released, and went straight to work and into therapy. One on one, group, and couple counseling. All that because my wife was able to get me to open up during family visits, where I opened my eyes what seemed like the first time, to my life and my place in this world. It's been 10 years since we were married, we are expecting our first child soon. I have been out for almost 7 years. Not a day goes by that I don't think about prison. Their were some good guards, some bad ones. Some bad inmates and good cons. I was lucky enough to be liked by the lifers and old cons in there, despite my first crime. They schooled me and looked out for me, only a couple of fights in all the years in there. I can tell you you honestly, the years I spent without family visits left me kind of empty, numb to what others were feeling. It's when I was in there getting family visits that I could relate and grow as a person. I was just one of those guys who their emotional growth stunted early on in life. It took real love, and an honest and open frienship with my wife to help me grow. Without family visits I would not have gotten to that place. I know family visits help those that are locked up, it helps their families. It also helps the community when someone is going to be released that they have someone they feel is on their side. When a con gets released without that, it's us against them , hands down. The fact that my wife was able to get me into counseling I think, was doing the community a service. Not that I am crazy, but I was seriously confused and totally needed to grow.Prison stunts and retards growth. Since there is no counsling for inmates, family visits are all that is left. You wonder what drives most people take away privilages from inmates? It's not just trying to do something for the community, it's hate.The people who feel self hatred almost always seek an outlet outside themselves. Inmates are an easy target. So we have these people committing hates crimes against people who are ALREADY locked up. Nice.So if you find yourself in the stance of "Don't let inmates have visits, Don't let them eat three meals a day, Don't let them see their kids". Look at yourself in the mirror and see the hate in your face, and ask yourself where it comes from. I wish you the best of luck on that. Meanwhile I'll just keep owning my own business and wok to support my wife and upcoming son. It's just not american to kick people when their down, let a guy and his family have visits. How in the world does that hurt you?

I am married to a lifer and I think that they should get them. Not just because I want one, but as an incentive. you know they could really reduce the amount of tension and violence in the prisons if lifers could get them.

Think about a whole bunch of men with nothing but time on their hands and a lot of enemies, are they going to cause a lot of trouble and stab up the Co's if they know next week they get to spend the night with their lady. I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely lifers should be given back F/V. As many have said, and I know this from personal exp., when you know that doing something stupid may jeopardize your chance to spend some time with your family, you WILL think twice. As for the new letter at the end of CDC {R}, I hope nobody is buying into that b/s. What needs rehabiitation is CDC!!! Keep up the good work folks.