View Full Version : This is crap - Soraya, please read this


Goody's Girl
05-28-2002, 06:22 PM
I got this forwarded to me today from one of the watch groups I belong to. This is crazy.

MAY 28, 2002 Lima news.Ohio www.limanews.com

-- Your mail to or from foreign countries soon could be read without a
search warrant. "On Wednesday, the U.S. House of Representatives
approved the
new surveillance powers by a 327 to 101 vote," reported Wired.com. "The
bill,
titled the Customs Border Security Act, says that incoming or outgoing
mail
can be searched at the border 'without a search warrant.'"The Customs
Service
already can open suspicious packages, such as those suspected of having
anthrax or explosives. But non-suspicious letters until now have been
protected by the Fourth Amendment right to protection against
"unreasonable
searches and seizures."Sadly, west-central Ohio's four Republican
representatives all voted for H.R. 3129: Reps. Michael G. Oxley, Paul
E.
Gillmor, John A. Boehner and David L. Hobson. They should have listened
to
their Republican colleague, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, who explained,
"Exercise
of these new powers could infringe on the right of innocent Americans
to
travel and communicate internationally free of unnecessary federal
control.
Please say no to unconstitutional searches and unaccountable
government, and
say yes to liberty and constitutional government."The constitutional
facts
were explained by Robert A. Levy, senior fellow in Constitutional
Studies at
the Cato Institute. "It's quite clear that, while I'm not concerned
about the
rights of foreigners in other countries, I am concerned about the
rights of
U.S. citizens and foreign residents living here," he said. "There's no
justification for a search if the only reason is that the mail
originated
abroad." The bill won't do much to fight terrorists, who easily could
send
encrypted messages over the Internet. But it will erode civil liberties
for
Americans. Let's hope the Senate rejects it.

B-Ray
05-28-2002, 09:17 PM
Watch it folks, freedom is slipping away!

This is just one more area of "CONTROL" that can be placed in the hands of ONE or MORE government employee's, anywhere in the system.

Just think, what it will be like, if one or more employee's has the attitude of a prison CO. Not far fetched is it?

CARLAxoxoxTODD
05-29-2002, 08:07 AM
I can understand if they open mail from countries that are known to harbor terrorist groups but every one?

Just to show you some1s got a liiiiiiiitle 2 much time on their hands. Maybe they should get some pen pals.

vnvdvc
05-29-2002, 09:56 AM
each little piece of freedom we allow to slip away opens too many doors for further legislation such as this!! next is what? monitoring e-mails from other countries? Is it that far off if they are contemplating doing this w/ mail?

Sexesweet
05-29-2002, 11:05 AM
you know Bray is right we have to watch our freedom cause we can loose it and we have to take care of our love one's to cause they lost threre's for no reason the system sucks and the scitey to.

CREAMYALMONDZ
05-29-2002, 01:17 PM
That sucks.

sherri13
05-29-2002, 01:32 PM
WE HAVE BECOME A PANIC STRICKEN COUNTRY- PEOPLE DONT SEEM TO REALIZE THAT THESE SO CALLED "SECURITY MEASURES" ARE ACTUALLY CONSTRAINTS AND INFRINGEMENTS ON THE FREEDOM WE FOUGHT SO HARD FOR!

CARLAxoxoxTODD
05-29-2002, 05:30 PM
Since the FBI redirected 500 agents to counter-terrorism + hiring an additional 600, I wonder if they are going to enjoy working in the mailroom reading all the international mail? haha

Shortie
05-29-2002, 06:53 PM
I think theya re just in a panic and not sure where to start so they are starting from the ground up.. it is amazing that we are in this much fear as a nation. it surprises me and leads me to believe that we are not ready for the future.

B-Ray
05-29-2002, 08:54 PM
How many up heaval's, have the masses got behind, to change government at the Fed or State level, that made a major difference?

soraya
05-30-2002, 02:38 AM
Tracy emailed me about this, this was my reply

What??? and what will they do then? I hope they won't start reading all my letters. because sometimes I'm writing things that they might see as dangerous towards them (with their small minded mentality). Like when a letter goes missing, i might write things like: i'll come over there and kick their asses so hard they won't be able to walk for another month....of course i don't mean this, but it just pisses me off. I'm sure they'd take this wrong. I don't wanna be careful with the things I write...cuz I also write about how stupid i think bush is and all that crap....damn...I'll post this email under your post, ok?

I will inform the people I know from outside the US that write prisoners, see if there's anything we can do

KConnor56
06-17-2002, 04:41 PM
B-ray I couldn't agree more with your sentiments on our losing our freedoms.

I hate to break it to you but they already have a program to monitor e-mails (I think it's called predetor, but I could be wrong on the name). My understanding is it works on the same principle of intercepting international phone call, it looks for certain key words. I could find out more if your interested. I belong to a group that is involved in using encrypted e-mails, that are next to impossible to break. E-mail encription & the use of cryptology in content is on the rise.----Ken

B-Ray
06-17-2002, 06:13 PM
IMHO the USA is under a form of dictatorship and the "mass's" just doesn't realize it. It just boils down to "power & control". Not much different then anywhere else in the world, just bigger.

Mark these words, in time, maybe not mine, but at a point, the USA will loose it's world power status!

If you believe what is Written, then take a close look at what is to come, and then take a very hard look at what has been developing and has developed in the world, during the last decade.

lasseire
06-17-2002, 08:22 PM
Unfortunately Ken is right about the govt. being able to monitor certain emails. I have no idea what it is called, but it was part of how they snagged the group of guys that Rick was involved with. They also had highly encripted emails and IRC channels that the govt. got access to from an "insider". There's no such thing as truly secure online any more. The govt. is getting really tight about monitoring the internet, so just be careful.

I could go on and on about the invasion of privacy, but I'll spare you all! : )

Colleen

soraya
06-18-2002, 03:11 AM
BRay, I couldn't agree with you more. You sound like a European when you say things like that LOL

B-Ray
06-18-2002, 02:34 PM
>>>You sound like a European<<<

Well, look at what has developed there and compare. Watch who joins the U.E. who leaves and how many are left. That much is spelled out, in "The Book"!

soraya
06-19-2002, 02:06 AM
???

Sorry, I don't really get that....stupid me...or maybe I need to get my second cup of coffee!

Veronica
06-20-2002, 08:33 PM
I know we want security against anything like 9-11 to happen again, but how much of our personal freedom are we willing to part with to get that security. Personally, I like living a little dangerously. I don't want my mail read, my calls listened to or any kind of personal body cavity search performed before I enter a court room. I think other countries who fight terrorism are faced with the same dillemma.

So, what do we do? Cower, hide or FIGHT??