This is the first time he has been double bunked and unfortunately they are just not hitting it off, to put it mildly. To the point where this guy's actually half-threatened to beat him up and rape him, and keeps saying brilliant things like, "Don't confuse kindness with weakness." Eric's pretty good with the verbal judo and deflecting this stuff but although these words would never fall from his lips I can tell he is scared. :rolleyes: He's no fighter. They are stuck in a SHU cell together. Is there any way to help these two get a "divorce?" Without creating worse problems? As Eric puts it, this guy is used to controlling situations and now he can't so he is trying to control him (E.) This is preying on my mind. CO 1989, any ideas? Anybody?

haswtch,

Short of fighting, the only thing they (BOTH) can do is write the block sgt and ask to be switched. I doubt it'll work, but it's worth a try. Is he in a shu-200? If you come to my place we won't move you until you fight :-( Howlong dowes he have to do in the SHU? And hey, you know what, maybe THIS will be the deterrent he needs to behave and never get sent to the SHU again!

Sorry I couldn't be more help.

CO

Jamie had a cellie that refused to take a bath. He was in Jamie's room for 3 weeks without ever getting in the shower. So, Jamie complained to the CO's and they ended up moving him.

CO, m'dear, I don't think getting beat up is supposed to be part of the acceptable "deterrents," is it?
He is in there four months, basically for a bad joke. I thank you for your honest answer (albeit a little depressing but that isn't your fault) but I take issue with your suggestion that he "needs" this. This probably sounds like just more inmate's-girlfriend whining to you, but he is 1. wrongfully convicted in the first place 2. doesn't touch drugs or alcohol 3. would never raise a hand to another person. His worst flaw from an authority's point of view is that he occasionally acts like he is in a dumb comedy about prison, not an actual PRISON prison. Certainly his time would be easier if he didn't act that way, but overall he's had more people laugh with him than not. He just ran into someone with no sense of humor. He doesn't "need" to get threatened/possibly assaulted as a deterrent, thanks so much, and if one hair on his head gets hurt any worse than it already was by the humorless CO who jumped on him, I am going to be one furiously angry human being.

actually, I am ALREADY furious.

MY man just didn't get a long with his bunkie and told the guy point blank to find a way up out of there. So every day the guy asked the CO if he could be moved. The CO asked them both what was up and my man said we are trying to avoid a situation-my man is quick to pound someone out. So the CO called and the other Co told him just put them both in SHU. The CO said they haven't done anything yet. The next day, dude was packed up and gone.

hopefully they will find a way to finesse this. He's already pointed out to the guy that if they fight, they're just playing into the system's hands that much farther:(

haswtch - sorry, i didn't meant to imply that he "needs" this as a deterrent, I meant that the EXPERIENCE of being locked in such close quarters with the situation may be the deterrent he needs. Does that make sense? That's what SHU and the SHU-200's were suppose to be all about. Sounds to me though like different places operate differently and maybe if he and his cellie complain enough to the CO's and Sgt's everyday maybe one of them will get moved. Then again, he may get someone A LOT worse.

CO

This is true. I think on some level they are both scared of each other and of that guy named "Bubba" that you guys keep hidden in the closet for special occasions, LOL. He told me they also had a conversation about the nature of morality- whether it means just following the rules, or something deeper. Who knows, maybe it'll work out. But honestly, this person has been seriously over-deterred already.
And when I mentioned he is wrongfully convicted, I wasn't meaning to suggest that anybody in there for something they actually DID deserves to be assaulted either. . Sorry if anybody was offended. It's just part of my rage.
CO, thanks again. I appreciate your being here to share your experience.

what is the difference between a SHU and a SHU-200?? That is the first time I have seen this...Maybe I should drop in here more often huh??

SHU's in the facilities are meant for inmates from that facility for sanctions of 30 days or less. 45 days or more get you sent to a SHU-200 or max security like Southport or Upstate.

CO

DEB!!!! how are you hon? I have wondered about you n Outlaw

Sorry to hear that Has is in the box. That really stinks. Sounds like maybe he will be able to work it out, smooth talker that he is! :)

Haswtch, this is a tough position you both are in, and I know you are struggling with how to help him. One thing comes to mind is to find a way for Eric to be a strength for this cellie while not becoming a negative for himself. An example might be something along the lines of your profession... anyway your resources might be an incentive in some way for this guy? ( I am just thinking here.... )

Well I brought a big box of books- Dean Koontz, Tom Robbins, Sun Bear- maybe that'll help them a bit, to pass the time and whatnot. In an earlier package my mom sent along an Utne Reader and it was an issue all about the power of female energy- healing- anti-war- Mary Magdalene and all this stuff. Eric actually suggested to the guy that he ought to read it...Good to see you ladies, too! I wish he weren't in the box but in other ways Marcy is better than Coxsackie. There is a greenhouse there, which is the first program he's seemed even vaguely intrigued by, and his counselor isn't such a burnout.

My man has always been able to get moved when he talks to the CO. He has a mouthpiece (which is often not an assert) and knows exactly what to say, I think there's a certain finesse (with a few lies sprinkled in) to getting the COs to what to do something "for the sake of the security of the institution". Basically, he needs to think of something to say other than they get on each other's nerves. Unfortunately, being double-bunked in SHU is double-punishment.