If a parolee is returned to prison, how does it effect the remaining time on their sentence. Does the earliest release date still stay the same as before they were paroled ? Does the max out time still stay the same if there are no new additional charges ?

Witchlinbluuuuuueeeeee

I know that the max date does not change, but I'm not sure about how they calculate a new ERD. I'll see what I can find...or ya know our great Michigan members....someone will probably have the answer!!!

Sally

witchinblu--

Omg! What is happening? Are you ok? I'm hoping that nothing has gone wrong....

Ok, when Bill was home for over a year on appeal bond after we won and then we lost and he went back in--that time he was home did not count. The length of time he was out was added to both dates....(erd and max)

Deb

what is happening is a good question, cant really answer that at the moment, and no I guess Im not ok and everything is going wrong. I will let you know when I know more but its not looking good at all. So if his ERD has already past, do they add time on to that ?

YES, the time he was out....It's like he's back to the day he was released. But if he's violated parole it can be a new charge too can't it or add even more time onto his erd as he violated? I'm just going off what I read on here and we haven't experienced a parole violation...

Hang in there witchinblu....We're here for you.

Deb

thank you cause currently Im in freak out mode

witchlinblue

THINKING OF YOU...

(((hugs)))

Deb

I'm thinking of you witchlin...

((((((((hugs))))))))

I'm sorry I didn't "catch" what you were saying earlier.....its been a long day already for me....

Hang in there......I'm thinking about you and praying for you. If there's anything I can help with don't hesitate to let me know.

mrs. d

He was meant to turn himself in on Tuesday and I dont know if he has, since I havent heard from him. I dont know where he will be if he did and Im sure he wont be able to call me. I dare not phone his parole officer in case he didnt turn himself in, I really am completely messed up over this. Things went incredibly wrong, the situation he was put into by the parole board was a very bad decision on their part. The last three or so weeks have been hell, and right now I dont know where he is. Thats pretty much the situation as I know it.

Witchlinblue

:( I'M THINKING OF YOU...

Witchlin! (((((((((hugs)))))))))))
All I can tell you is that when Robert went back on a parole violation with no extra charge, his ERD and his MAX date stayed the same. It doesn't even say anything about his being returned on a parole violation. It just has his original offense and it's like he was never paroled to begin with.
I don't know if thats the question you were asking or not, but I thought I'd give it a shot.
We are here for you girl!!! Stay strong-

Thanks all, and yes Jeni that was the question I was asking.
Wish you guys were really here, I really need a hug and nobody knows what is going on and its so hard to keep my chin up at the moment.

Witchlinblue

I wish I could be THERE in person for you....please know that I and all the others are there in spirit. You are in my prayers!!!

Sallyl

(((hugs))) I wish we were there in person with you right now too....

Deb

Witchlin.... I am so sorry things sre going soo wrong!! I am sending you tons of hugs and will pray that things get better for you. Like everyone else I wish we were closer to you so we could all be there in person. Sending strength.....
CJ

Well as of today he still hasnt turned himself in and has changed locations again but he is planning on this week. Guess its not the easiest thing. So I guess where they put him is still up in the air since they dont have him yet.
They ought to just send him to me, one way ticket. ho hum, guess not.
Kmeg, is that a new butterfly, I havent noticed it before, its very pretty.

Witchlinblue

So glad you heard from him...Hang in there... ((hugs))

Deb

He has it together compared to last week but not completely. He is trying, but I can only wait and see what's going to happen next.

Witchlinblue

I can't imagine how he feels, wanting his freedom so badly, but knowing what he has to do. Are there other options for him, like a treatment facility or is it a sure thing he has to go back? Damn this all sucks. It is too bad they just can't send him to you, he needs the support and reassurance that you can give him. Ya know, it just seems TOO often that they set them up to fail....it's not right.
And yes it is a new butterfly, it flies backwards, but it is pretty. :)
Take Care Dear!!!! CJ

I think it all depends on what the parole officer decides. I havent been threw this part before, not that I want to get the experience but this end of the corrections system, this is new to me, I only know what James tells me. He figures so long as he isnt picking up another charge, he should be ok as far as getting into rehab instead of a camp or back to prison. But from the stuff I've read, Im not so sure that is something he should be counting on. It makes me very nervous that he would turn himself in. I guess we will know soon what they will do.

Witchlinblue

Thinking of you, sorry to hear that. Keep your spirits up. tres

Thanks all of you, you truly are wonderful, the whole bunch of you.

Witchlinblue

Well some good news sort of (I hate these double edged swords). James has made it to a relatives of mine in Michigan who is keeping him safe tonight. I just got off the phone from him and they are going together tomorrow to turn himself in. I know that he got a good meal in him finally and that he is getting clean clothes as well as a safe place to keep all his stuff. So I guess tomorrow everything will change, not sure exactly how yet but I dont expect it to be really good, but at least he will be safe. I'm glad he is getting help with this, I dont think he could have done it with out support from someone there.

Witchlinblue

Sylvia,

He's safe. He's alive. He has a full belly and is in a good home to sleep tonight. You've talked to him (can't forget that part!) Now it's in the hands of corrections....Let's just hope they send him to treatment, but if they don't and they send him back--you guys can do this...You've already done it for how long?? Just make sure he paroles out to you or something else good next time.....But, hopefully treatment!

Deb

Well actually we discussed exactly what will be happening when he gets out from where ever that may be, and laid down specifics in case we dont have a chance to talk about it confidentially again. Its also so good that at least tonight he is somewhere that I can phone him, God I missed him and he sounds like his loving self again and not in a panic state. I guess feeling safe kind of does that to you. He is making me a tape right now, telling me everything that he has been threw in the last 5 weeks and how much he loves me. He is going to mail it on the way to turning himself in. I will be phoning him in a little while so we are sure that we are both on the same page. Oh I so much DONT look forward to the prison thing again, I hope that is not where he is going, but I think he probably will be. But like you said, I've done it for long enough now, I can do it some more. I'm actually kind of happy right now, well happy he is safe.

Witchlinblue

This is the best thing for him right now. Like Deb said, he's safe, and he's alive. Whatever comes your way, you both will beable to handle it. Hopefully the PO will SEE that he needs treatment. How many of our loved ones who actually WANT to be clean, would not be in prison right now if they had decent treatment? I bet it's huge.
So, this is good news. Keep us posted on anything you find out. Let James know we are all pulling for him. Stay strong girl. AND, be good to YOU!

I hope it's the rehab, maybe you'll get lucky. Stay strong

Any news?

hmmmm, well all I know is that he left there alone today, about 8 in the morning, left a note saying he was going to see his parole officer. I talked to him till almost 6 in the morning. He did all his laundry last night and re-packed his bag to take with him since he was hoping to go to rehab. Well he didnt bring his bag and he is still not back. So I can't tell if Im mad or freaking out with fear of the worse, but that knot is getting tight in my gut. God, just when I thought things were going to be resolved. Well he may have gone, but I some how doubt it right now. Frig I talked to him for about 6 hours last night and all he wanted more than me was rehab. I just dont know what to think.

Sylvia,

I don't know what to say...It doesn't sound good. Weren't your relatives going to drive him to turn himself in? And his clothes are still there? It sounds as though he went back out. I'm sorry. It just shows how insidious addiction is. I really hope he gets into treatment......Sometimes people just haven't hit their "bottom" yet and need to go back out and sometimes the pull is just too much in the beginning...But, hey you know all this...(((hugs)))

Deb

I HOPE HE IS JUST OKAY BUT THE UNKNOWN IS SO SCARY...THINKING OF YOU!

Yeah I guess I know all this, its just a reminder really of the way I use to be years ago. He is making me feel like it was yesterday. Well I feel old today, probably lack of sleep. I think Im getting to use to this cycle. I just hope it breaks soon. But then again, maybe he wanted to do it on his own, but I dont think so. Something happened in his head between 6 and 8 AM. Addiction is pretty unbelievable sometimes but I guess I know that too. Thanks for your support you wonderful gals, you really are all so wonderful. Thanks a million.

(((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))

UGH....I'm SO sorry I haven't posted anything to you the past few days - it doesn't mean you haven't been in my thoughts and prayers!!! I'm thinking about you and and hoping for the best!

Sally

Sylvia, have you heard anything more? I am thinking about both of you constantly. I really REALLY want him to get into treatment. But right now I just hope that he is off the streets! Keep us updated girl! And please get some sleep!

OH MAN!!! I'm sooo sorry witchin I hope this ALL turns out for the best. I know first hand about loving an addict, It is NOT easy, but remeber they are POWERLESS over their addiction. Fear makes them make not so good decisions. It sounds to me like he wants it ALL to be over and he don't know how to make that happen. Hang in there girl GOD is on both your sides!!!!! He'll make it!!! I don't mena over as in death but over as in CLEAN and happy again!!!

Stacy

Thanks, well I know he wants to but he is not very capable of actually getting it together right now. I was forced to give him an ultimatum today. He is meant to stop now and I came up with a really good idea to make sure any money he has ends up with me. And Ive got a not so water tight plan (but it will do short notice) to get him safe and the opportunity to get clean. I just hope it all pans threw. He made his choice today, just like every other day but this time he has to stick to my rules if he wants it bad enough. I feel really bad doing that to him, especially if he messes up, but this is really making me not very healthy at all. I have to look after myself too which is why I decided to get tough with him. Its all up to him now and how badly he wants help.

Witchlinblue

ADDICTION IS SUCH A DEADLY SCENE TO ALL WHO ARE INVOLVED BUT I KNOW THAT LOVE, ITSELF, IS NOT ENOUGH OR EVEN POWERFUL AT THESE TIMES, BECAUSE IT DOES JUST BECOME WORDS, AND THE PAIN IS SO INTENSE THAT IT HURTS THE NON-ADDICT MORE THAN THE ADDICT WHO IS SLOWLY KILLING THEMSELVES. I THINK THE ULTIMATUM IS WHAT WE GIVE OURSELVES BECAUSE THE PAIN IS SO UNBEARABLE AND THE ADDICT IS SO POWERLESS UNLESS THEY CHOSE TO STOP BY GETTING THE HELP THEY NEED!

I HOPE HE REACHES FOR THAT HELP AND COMES BACK TO YOU.....

I hope he follows thru Sylvia....((hugs))

Deb

Thank you, well I had no choice, I think Im kind of falling apart and people are noticing. My hands have been shaking for weeks now, my eyes are a perma red from crying, I cant take it anymore really. I have to step back from it all. I talked to him today briefly and will again this afternoon and I think that that will be it as far as me calling him until something changes. I'm fairly certain that he will be back in prison soon enough, so I will still be around, cause once he is there, the life he is living will, for a while be left behind. It just pisses me off so much that he is such a wonderful man, and being destroyed more and more ever second. But I have to stop and look after myself now. And doing that web page helps me get it all out of my system.

Witchlinblue

Well just since all of you have given me so much support I should get you up to date. He was meant to leave to come here today in the afternoon, unfortunately he was picked up by the police this morning and is back in the system. I wont know yet whether rehab is an option or not, I really dont know what they will do considering his track record at the moment. Thanks everyone for you support, I came /__ / this close to getting him here but I guess its not Gods plan or something like that, or just testing our relationship again. So I guess I will be around here for a while longer, probably a very long while longer.

Witchlinblue

I'm so sorry Sylvia..... (((hugs))) You tried. Hang in there. We're here for you.

Deb

Thanks, well Im actually going to go next door and listen to my neighbour bitch about her husband and have a few drinks, keeping my secrets to myself and wonder if she knows how lucky she is that her husband is there with her and is a pretty alright guy that would do anything for her.

Isn't it amazing when we can see how others take their spouse for granted? Like they'll always be there and they don't realize how lucky they are....

Deb

Wichinblue,
I am so sorry to hear all that has happened over this past month. My prayers are with you. Don't listen to your friend bitch too much about her spouse - you might want to smack her, ha, ha.
Take Care
Frenchie

Ha Ha (Frenchie), well Im back from there, the bitching neighbour, she is nice when she isnt, and Im quite informed on all her problems, and regardless, I come back home and I have a big hole here.
So any way, I figure he will be in county all weekend and they will decide his fate on Monday, is that about how it goes ? Ive forgotten probably on purpose. Sorry Im just not accepting this very well.

Hang in there kiddo........ya know your PTO family is thinking about you. If there's anything I can do to help just give me a holler!!!

Sally

Thank u Mrs Dragon

Thoughts and prayers... always...

Just wanted you to know that you are in my thoughts....

Hugs,
Marie

YOU ARE IN MY THOUGHTS, TOO!

I emailed you hon-
Stay strong!