Does anyone have any info on Delano II's lockdown on B-yard. Supposedly there was an incident on B-yard and the whole yard is locked down. Everything was normal on Saturday but on Sunday morning they canceled visiting, and said they were on lockdown?? I called my husband's counselor and he said its a confidential matter and he can't tell me anything. :(

I don't know what happened but I wish I could help you. But I would also like to know about A yard cause they put them on lockdown on fri.

Iam wondering to I am very worried. My boyfriends grandma and I went to visit him on Sunday, after a three hour drive, for them to tell us B yard is on lockdown. If you get any info please post it. All I can do is wait for a letter.

Is this prison on lockdown a lot. I just found out yesterday that my husband is being transferred there from Calipatria.

i heard there always on lock down

Thanks Mammas for the reply. He has been on lockdown at Calipatria for over 2 months now this

Hi,
my boyfriend is on A yard and got his letter today that no visiting for whites. they are on locked down. they dont tell him straight answer. but i wondering if they are on lockdown...Can we have visits though? my friend called hotline today and saying "whites are on lockdown" but didn't say anything about no visiting. so i wondering what is that means? :confused:

Yard A the whites and hispanics are on lockdown. I got a letter from my man and he said they didn't even do anything and that it is for something stupid. I don't think they expect to be on lockdown that long. They got put on last wednesday. You can try calling the 800 # today cause they usually update on thursdays.

My man is on A yard and the whites and hispanics could not have visits this past weekend, check the 800# today.

I called the prison today and they said they wouldn't know about visiting for this weekend until tomorrow.

Hi,

I heard the same thing . There was an incident between a guard and an inmate who was being abused and hit by the guard, some other inmates stepped in to help him and then all of a sudden all chaos broke out. Many who supposedly were not involved but who were in the vicinity were beaten for no reason and all were put on lockdown.

http://*********.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4364
POSTED BY CO's:

This is what i have gathered so far so it may not be all accurate.At morning chow in B5-6 dining an officer attempted to put an i/m on the wall. 16 s/m i/m's rushed 4 officers. One officer attacked by three i/m's. He punched one, grabbed one in a headlock, grabbed the other by the shirt and went down underneath a table. Was not seriously hurt but was transported via ambulance to the Hospital. Told the OP Sgt he cut his head and hand on the table seat. Staff pulled him to the rotunda shut the door and emptied numerous cans of gas in the dining hall. Numerous 40 MM rounds were discharged with one i/m being transported to Mercy for a direct hit. In total five staff were injured but not seriously, with the exception of the one transported to Delano Regional. Some staff believe it was a set-up, but unknown at this time. All inmates were rehoused in Ad-Seg.

Well, it seems as if myself and another person heard the same story. I was told that a guard was beating down an inmate for no reason, no one wanted to get involved but some couldnt stand it any longer and went to help the inmate by pulling the guard off. All hell broke loose, other guards came in and starting beating the inmates, even those who where standing back not wanting to get involved got beat down. Some had their clothes torn off and beat to humiliate them. Well, now they are on lockdown pending an investigation. Well, we all know how those turn out? In favor of the low life guard! Wouldnt it be nice if he and the others who participated in the assaults get charged with assault & battery? Maybe it would send a message to all the other scum bag guards who use their position as an excuse to commit a crime. See how tuff they are when they thenselves find themselves in the system and get treated like an animal.

Can you tell I am pissed? Maybe it is because my brother was one of those standing back and still got beat down. Is it possible his story was
exaggerated? Well, it crossed my mind until I read another posting with the same story I heard. Does Delano 2 have cameras? Of course they do!! If anyone who really cared about doing a proper investigation viewed what really happened then maybe Delano 2 Prison would hold those guards accountable for their actions and do the right thing instead of using the inmates as a scapegoat to cover up the abuse in their system(who are really the animals?). Then again, what do they care it's not their family member in there, therfore, not their problem.

Thanks for the Update and if anyone can get me names of the inmates hurt I would appreciate it! PM me!

Does Delano 2 have cameras? Of course they do!!

Really? In the chow halls? Well, if thats true, those not involved should be quickly found not guilty. "Of course they do". Do they?

This is what i have gathered so far so it may not be all accurate.At morning chow in B5-6 dining an officer attempted to put an i/m on the wall. 16 s/m i/m's rushed 4 officers. One officer attacked by three i/m's. He punched one, grabbed one in a headlock, grabbed the other by the shirt and went down underneath a table. Was not seriously hurt but was transported via ambulance to the Hospital. Told the OP Sgt he cut his head and hand on the table seat. Staff pulled him to the rotunda shut the door and emptied numerous cans of gas in the dining hall. Numerous 40 MM rounds were discharged with one i/m being transported to Mercy for a direct hit. In total five staff were injured but not seriously, with the exception of the one transported to Delano Regional. Some staff believe it was a set-up, but unknown at this time. All inmates were rehoused in Ad-Seg.


That is essentially correct. Don't know where the story about the inmates getting beat for no reason came from. Staff left the area after the assault started and used gas to regain control of the dining hall.

What about the inmates in reception? where do they fit in as to the lock downs?

10-28-05 Visiting Update:
Regular visits for this weekend for all EXCEPT hispanics B-Yard. I just called and was told there is no visiting, not even behind the glass. :(

Does anyone have any info on Delano II's lockdown on B-yard. Supposedly there was an incident on B-yard and the whole yard is locked down. Everything was normal on Saturday but on Sunday morning they canceled visiting, and said they were on lockdown?? I called my husband's counselor and he said its a confidential matter and he can't tell me anything. :(A yard is also on lock down, my son just got there on sept 12th, and I saw him the end of Sept, was going down last week end. On lock down.

That is essentially correct. Don't know where the story about the inmates getting beat for no reason came from. Staff left the area after the assault started and used gas to regain control of the dining hall.

What was left out is the CO's took all the inmates (30 of them) and put them in the Freezer (Not the Cooler) the FRIGGEN FREEZER! Just to teach them a less about having a Melee in the Chow Hall! 3 inmates were hospitalized! Staff did leave the assault area but left 3 of their own to take on the Inmates that went off on them! NICE!:confused:

10-28-05 Visiting Update:
Regular visits for this weekend for all EXCEPT hispanics B-Yard. I just called and was told there is no visiting, not even behind the glass. :(
I saw visiting behind glass this weekend on B Yard

What was left out is the CO's took all the inmates (30 of them) and put them in the Freezer (Not the Cooler) the FRIGGEN FREEZER! Just to teach them a less about having a Melee in the Chow Hall! 3 inmates were hospitalized! Staff did leave the assault area but left 3 of their own to take on the Inmates that went off on them! NICE!:confused:


I love how stories get twisted to make us look bad. When the staff left the area the kitchen cop was still in his area. He was behind a locked door in the dining hall but he had some workers with him. Not sure how many exactly, but less than 10. He wasn't happy about being locked in a kitchen outnumbered with staff not able to get to him so he locked the inmates in the walk in freezer until responding staff could control the incident in the dining hall and get to him.

The kitchen cop was the only officer left in the area. All other cops pulled back and used gas to control the area.

Not blaming you Kathy, I am sure that is how you heard it, just amazed how everything gets turned around into being our fault.

Melee in the Chow Hall started because an inmate (young kid) went for Seconds on coffee and a CO told him to toss it and he refused, so that was cause for the CO to start roughing him up! Wonder if a 114 would have worked better for the CO instead of beating him with a club?:blah:

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP!


Well, it seems as if myself and another person heard the same story. I was told that a guard was beating down an inmate for no reason, no one wanted to get involved but some couldnt stand it any longer and went to help the inmate by pulling the guard off. All hell broke loose, other guards came in and starting beating the inmates, even those who where standing back not wanting to get involved got beat down. Some had their clothes torn off and beat to humiliate them. Well, now they are on lockdown pending an investigation. Well, we all know how those turn out? In favor of the low life guard! Wouldnt it be nice if he and the others who participated in the assaults get charged with assault & battery? Maybe it would send a message to all the other scum bag guards who use their position as an excuse to commit a crime. See how tuff they are when they thenselves find themselves in the system and get treated like an animal.

Can you tell I am pissed? Maybe it is because my brother was one of those standing back and still got beat down. Is it possible his story was
exaggerated? Well, it crossed my mind until I read another posting with the same story I heard. Does Delano 2 have cameras? Of course they do!! If anyone who really cared about doing a proper investigation viewed what really happened then maybe Delano 2 Prison would hold those guards accountable for their actions and do the right thing instead of using the inmates as a scapegoat to cover up the abuse in their system(who are really the animals?). Then again, what do they care it's not their family member in there, therfore, not their problem.

Sigh, once again...

The officer did not use force on the inmate for getting another cup of coffee. The inmate was placed on the wall for being defiant and refusing to follow orders after the officer told him to sit down. That was when his buddies decided to jump up and attack the officer.

I love how stories get twisted to make us look bad. When the staff left the area the kitchen cop was still in his area. He was behind a locked door in the dining hall but he had some workers with him. Not sure how many exactly, but less than 10. He wasn't happy about being locked in a kitchen outnumbered with staff not able to get to him so he locked the inmates in the walk in freezer until responding staff could control the incident in the dining hall and get to him.

The kitchen cop was the only officer left in the area. All other cops pulled back and used gas to control the area.

Not blaming you Kathy, I am sure that is how you heard it, just amazed how everything gets turned around into being our fault.

Well, Thanks for the Update and setting it straight! I might have concluded it was those in the chow hall, which would have been about 30. I was never giving the exact number of inmates put into the Freezer. Don't blame the Kitchen Cop for doing what he had to do, but wouldn't the Cooler have been better than the FREEZER! :rolleyes:

And isn't it silly to only allow inmates one cup instead of 2, so they could at least have a cup of coffee and a cup of juice. NO instead they have to make a choice of which they can have because they are not allowed to get up twice.

And on top of that, they are not allowed REAL COFFEE only decaffeinated because they were told REAL COFFEE brings out the aggression in the inmates attitudes! I think the same should apply to the CO's. No more Starbucks!

The 1 cup thing is to keep everything organized and in control. Inmates come in single file, grab their tray of food, get their drink, and go sit down. They don't get up again until time to go leave when they are released by row. If we allowed inmates to get up to get another cup of whatever there would be inmates moving around all over allowing all sorts of problems ranging from visibility of staff watching staff to inmates passing things to other inmates or even stabbings.

It wasn't really a freezer, just a walk-in refrigerator. The only one in the area big enough for the kitchen workers.

Sigh, once again...The officer did not use force on the inmate for getting another cup of coffee. The inmate was placed on the wall for being defiant and refusing to follow orders after the officer told him to sit down. That was when his buddies decided to jump up and attack the officer.
Well, you were there and I wasn't! I am only getting second hand information and was told the inmate went for seconds on coffee and became defiant by refusing to follow orders not to do so when told by the CO.

The 1 cup thing is to keep everything organized and in control. Inmates come in single file, grab their tray of food, get their drink, and go sit down. They don't get up again until time to go leave when they are released by row. If we allowed inmates to get up to get another cup of whatever there would be inmates moving around all over allowing all sorts of problems ranging from visibility of staff watching staff to inmates passing things to other inmates or even stabbings. COOL I LOVE IT WHEN THINGS ARE ORGANIZED, so why not allow inmates 2 CUPS? I totally understand CO's not wanting inmates moving around for safety reason!

HOW ABOUT 2 cups then?

Tray in one hand, Cup #1 in the other, Cup #2 where? Not to mention the state would have to buy inmates another cup, then put out twice the liquids for the inmates. Money, money, money. The State has a stroke whenever an inmate uses more than 1 roll of toilet paper a week, no way they would approve 2 cups.

Tray in one hand, Cup #1 in the other, Cup #2 where? Not to mention the state would have to buy inmates another cup, then put out twice the liquids for the inmates. Money, money, money. The State has a stroke whenever an inmate uses more than 1 roll of toilet paper a week, no way they would approve 2 cups.
Well, how about paper cups or styraphom? I bet the inmates could handle 2 cups and a tray! After all the food was cut back enough to leave room on the tray to set both cups on the tray.;)

The meals do not met nutritional standards implimented by the Public Health Service for the state.
If the prison administration undertook a serious effort to make meals as satisfying as possible to the inmates this would prevent unnecessary inmate disturbances over poor food.

One less MELEE in the CHOW HALL! ONE LESS STROKE in SACRAMENTO!

Heh, don't see it happening anytime soon. Remember, we don't make the rules, we just enforce them.

Heh, don't see it happening anytime soon. Remember, we don't make the rules, we just enforce them.
Boy do you ever enforce the rules, from my source that young inmate had his head bashed pretty good against the wall before others jumped the CO! They jumped because they couldn't stand it any longer! But, I do understand there is 2 sides to every story! Thanks for the Chat!

A pleasure, as usual.

What was left out is the CO's took all the inmates (30 of them) and put them in the Freezer (Not the Cooler) the FRIGGEN FREEZER! Just to teach them a less about having a Melee in the Chow Hall! 3 inmates were hospitalized! Staff did leave the assault area but left 3 of their own to take on the Inmates that went off on them! NICE!:confused:

How about an I'm sorry for misinforming everyone. Be responsible with your information. Finding out if there are actually freezers in the yard kitchens would have been a good start to verifying your information.

Level 4. Once you sit you do not get back up until you leave and that is done in an orderly manner. Sticking to that rule makes it clear that if someone gets up its with something negative in mind. CO's everywhere wait until belligerant inmates leave the chow hall to counsel them because they don't want anything to happen. I've seen it hundreds of times. Inmate is already belligerant, doesn't want to listen, won't keep still or hold arms up for a pat down or starts to move or turn on the officer...whatever at some point you have to attempt to restrain the inmate for safety.

Fact is if inmate had followed rules nothing would have happened. If he really wants more liquids at meals he can be good and lower his points. Most level 3's allow more movement during chow and Level 2's do.

Honest advice, since your sources are usually so far off the mark maybe you need a new one.

How about an I'm sorry for misinforming everyone. Be responsible with your information. Finding out if there are actually freezers in the yard kitchens would have been a good start to verifying your information.

EXCUSE ME GC? But, I thought Sgt and I worked it out and I WAS TOLD there is a Freezer and a COOLER and that is why the inmates were pissed because they could have been put in the COOLER instead of the the FREEZER! I am not going to say SORRY for nothing I have stated! My sources are good or they wouldn't be investigated by Sacramento!

Honest advice, since your sources are usually so far off the mark maybe you need a new one.
EXCUSE ME GC? Do you have beef with me or what! I think Ironwood has done us both some DAMAGE!

How can anything be verified when ONE LIES and the OTHER SWEARS TO IT!
This goes for both sides! Inmate and CO's!
Have a Happy Halloween!

No beef. Just making honest observations about how people get so riled about things on here and then find out it wasn't true.

I enjoyed Ironwood and wish it were in a better location. So no it hasn't damaged us both. From reading this site most of the visitors there also have nice things to say about it.

Thanks for the Halloween wishes.

b-yard Hispanics Have There Visits Back!! :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay:

Check this out. No website addresses please Supposably this is a correctional officer forum. Giving an obvious "newbie" a heads up on what should be revealed and what should not.Anyone ever heard the term "brotherhood?"

Alarm response procedures are confidential and should not be posted on a public forum. If they were posted the poster could get into a lot of trouble. Nothing bad going on, just warning the people not to post confidential procedures.

C/O's showing thier true colors for LT. Screbner telling the truth. Also, showing their lack of care for inmates not having A/C in thier rooms.
No website addresses please

That thread is about North Kern (Delano I), Not Delano II.

Does Delano 2 have cameras? Of course they do!!

Really? In the chow halls? Well, if thats true, those not involved should be quickly found not guilty. "Of course they do". Do they?



So GC, do they? You tone seems mocking...

Seriously doubt it. The only place I have seen cameras at any prison has been on the yards.

not true. there are camaras in the visiting rooms.

I don't consider visiting as part of the facility but you are right, all visitings that I know of have cameras.

Mocking, maybe and it shouldn't be so I'll apologize. I've stated before that people shouldn't post as fact("of course they do" would make me believe something is true)if its not.

After reading the postings, I find it incredible how stories do get distorted. What is filed on paperwork, and what actually happens. Of course Staff can get away with whatever because their superiors will believe what they say over any inmate on any day of the week. And if there are cameras in the chow hall, we the public will never see them. So even if there were 30 inmates, all 30 inmates version of what happened, and whats on camera and what is continuing to happen to them will never be acknowledged. I don't understand how people can follow procedure for some things and be so strict about things like a cup of coffee and not follow procedure when it comes to things like inmate abuse. I don't expect less from this prison, when after all the Warden is the same Warden who allowed Gladiator fights back in the day. My prayers go out to all those inmates that were involved, because from what I understand as long as they are in prison they will be paying for what happened in that chow hall.

Those of you CO's that post and defend your follow co-workers, or maybe you were there, and I know the inmates did jump off on the CO's, but it was provoked, just like the CO who beat the younger inmate was provoked. You guys turn away from the corrupt things that go on behind those walls or lie about it and don't allow and news cameras and reporters in, to protect your butts. That just tells me that there are things to hide, fowl things, that other CO's turn their heads not to see, so that they can say it didn't happen. Its sad! I'm not trying to argue with none of you cause i know in your eyes i'm misinformed and posting information that can't be proven. Well I believe the inmate version of things in this situation, and regardless of whats on paper, I'm just one person that isn't fooled about how things go down. None of what I'm saying can be proven as a fact on paper, but those of you reading know what your incarcerated loved ones tell you, and your free to believe what you want and say what you want about it. I'm keeping my prayers on those inmates that were involved because they need them and will continue needing them.

I believe in my sources and back you up 100% LilMamas21.

What is on paper is what needs to be written inorder to protect CDCR from being sued. And if no one saw a thing, do you think they would leave it at that?

NOPE, someone will go down whether they are guilty or not! THAT IS A FACT!

I see the Kangaroo hopping as we speak!

Everyone must make their own decisions given the information they have.

This was not a "SET UP"p by the inmates at all!! what a bunch of crap. These poor guys just wanted to have their breakfast in peace. Perhaps it was a newbie officer with insufficent knowledge on dealing with the inmates who instead of finding a reasonable solution to the problem chose to show off his power and start beating on some young inmate. To cover up his stupity they are trying to call it a "set up" by inmates.

What is sickening is that rumor has it they are trying to charge these inmates with Attempted Murder!!! Seems to me it should be the other way around with the Co's who beat the cuffed inmates being charged!

Once again...


No inmates were in cuffs until all staff were pulled out and chemical agents were used to gain control of the dining hall. To my knowledge only the 5 inmates who attacked the single officer are being charged with attempted murder. No force was used until the inmates attacked the officer.

Believe me or don't, as is your right.

Hello,

In your previous post you said there was "three" who attacked the lone officer now you are saying "five" are being charged. Guess you guys decided to throw in another two inmates. What happend to the 16 others who supposedly jumped the other guards?

I doubt anyone there knows for sure who did what with all the chaos unless you have it on camera to prove it. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

All My family and I are both in the legal and law enforcement fields and living through these injustices make it difficult. I can see both points of views, but I also have a family member who is involved in this and he is claiming innocence and I believe him. He wants to come home one day, he has a family who loves him and he has never been a violent person and I know he would NEVER try to kill anyone nor has he ever killed or laid a hand on anyone!! He is not a violent person and never has been. He just wants to come home to his family. I just pray that he is not wrongly convicted like so many are.
You know, I never really understood and was always so righteous about everything with all our family being in the legal and law enforcement and all, but until you or one of your loved ones makes a mistake and ends up in prison, with some horrible mandatory sentence, you learn awfully quick how unfair life really is and just how helpless you really are. Never in my life did I ever think I would be in this situation, but I tell you, life has a way of turning your world upside down. Just ask those guards and police officers who are now doing time.

This is destroying not only his life but all of ours as well.

Sgt. "by any chance were you informed of one of the inmates who was beat while having his his arms and his feet cuffed". The one that has a big boot print on his face still, from a CO kicking his face in?
I hope these inmates get lawyers and quick. Thats what I'd do, I hope they press their own charges and file law suits against the CDC. Unbelievable, I heard the same thing that they are charging the inmates with attempted murder. I bet you none of the inmates that were beaten up, are being allowed visits and they are telling their families there are no appointments available. So there families wont see what the CDC did to them. Dirty, Dirty, Dirty, I mean not even the cops out here have it as good as the CDC has it, and they are actually working all day. They get caught on tape, they'll be ruined or be put on paperwork. But the CDC has no limits, because they don't answer to nothing or no one, they probably get rewarded for this kind of mess. And they actually take it personal when people don't believe in there lies.

Has anyone heard that Visits are not being allowed at KVSP if you have already visited once for the Month? In other words we can only visit once every 4 wks!

Not sure if I understood this right from my source, but he said that people were driving to KVSP and being denied at the front and if they said they drove over 250 miles they were being asked to prove it! And then denied anyway!

I don't want to get up there and find out I am going to be denied! I drive 200 but going through Los Angeles is like drive 500 miles in No Zone Land!

Thanks in Advance

I have not heard anything like that. Did you try calling? I am visiting behind the glass this weekend.

I visit there every weekend, and i've never heard or seen them turn people away because they've already had a visit that month. I visit every weekend on Saturday and Sunday and I've never been turned away, except when they are on lockdown. Maybe Terminated if it gets to maximum capacity but not denied a visit. You should call the visiting Lut. at x5712 or better yet, leave a message on extension x5560 for Officer Luttrell. She's the only person in visitng that will return a call.

Im totally new to this whole prison scene. Are there two Kern State prisons, one and two?

Is Delano II the same as Kern State Prison, is there a Delano I?

yes delano II is the same as kvsp. delano I is nksp. they are just about 1 mile apart from each other. as for the visiting, i have visited every week and no that is not happening. i have not been denyed a visit. for this weekend A yard is Hispanics are on lockdown so there are not any visits.

Does anyone know why B~yard southern hispanics are on lockdown. I'm worried about my husband. I visited this weekend and everything was fine, something had to have happened on Sunday after or during visits. Please post any news... Thanks!!!:(

Has anybody heard anything new regarding this incident? Does anybody here have relatives, friends, being falsely accused of being involved in this incident.

My man just transferred today to KVSP. I have very little information on this prison and am very interested. Mine is an old timer, with a B number. I've read through this whole post and can understand everything from all perspectives, including Sgt. Anonymous. My man if he could communicate would agree with all of you including the Sgt. Almost all prisoners know the rules. So do the COs and the staff. It is hard to determine if this incident was a violation on what end by whom. My concern is the folowing. The way that this prison is being promoted to those who are "vounteering" to transfer there, is that this is a prison for those who have been programming and want to program and as a result, this prison is per the press releases supposed to offer more opportunties and more programs for the prisoners. Mine needs programs in order to fulfill his board requirements, which he couldn't get at other prisons. I know, probably more than most the injustices and abuse of prisoners, but also know that there are also prisoners who don't follow the rules- who jeopardize the others. I know, mine was one of these in the past as he would not program and created endless hardship on his fellow prisoners.
They do know the rules you know, even if we don't fully. I am a mate of an old timer, but want to put this into perspective from both sides. The rules are the rules, and need to be followed on both sides. Just to clarify, I've seem abuses from both prisoners and staff- all of which penalize the prisoners and in some extreme cases do jeopardize the staff, which equally is not Ok. This also jeopardizes the other inmates. I know this as my man has done this many times in the past. I just thought this prisons was supposed to be different. I thought I would put this into perspective from an old timers lady for both sides.

Nancy P i appreciate your post; i agree with you. i have seen it from both perspectives also; my husband was also a pain in the a** for a very long time; he would also agree with what you said. they know the rules as well as the co's and staff know the rules. yes, many inmates will be pains in the a** and push as much as they can; there are also many inmates who simply want to program, be left alone, meet their requirments and maybe have a chance to come home to their families. i know that my husband cant meet his requeirements where he is and we have both been hoping that this transfer will be a good thing and that he will actually have the chance to program, do classes and continue to grow up and learn to act right.

sgt. anonymous, i can see how frusterating it would get to see the posts where its all aobut bashin the co's; i see why many of the families feel the need to do so also. unfortunately, we dont walk in your shoes and cant understand all that the co's deal with; we also dont totally walk in our loved ones shoes. there are always two sides to every story and the truth is always found somewhere in the middle. but i do appreciate your posts; you come accorss as wanting to set things straight without being rude to us as loved ones; unfortunately we do have alot of co's that treat us with disrespect simply because our loved ones are some of your clients.
My man just transferred today to KVSP. I have very little information on this prison and am very interested. Mine is an old timer, with a B number. I've read through this whole post and can understand everything from all perspectives, including Sgt. Anonymous. My man if he could communicate would agree with all of you including the Sgt. Almost all prisoners know the rules. So do the COs and the staff. It is hard to determine if this incident was a violation on what end by whom. My concern is the folowing. The way that this prison is being promoted to those who are "vounteering" to transfer there, is that this is a prison for those who have been programming and want to program and as a result, this prison is per the press releases supposed to offer more opportunties and more programs for the prisoners. Mine needs programs in order to fulfill his board requirements, which he couldn't get at other prisons. I know, probably more than most the injustices and abuse of prisoners, but also know that there are also prisoners who don't follow the rules- who jeopardize the others. I know, mine was one of these in the past as he would not program and created endless hardship on his fellow prisoners.
They do know the rules you know, even if we don't fully. I am a mate of an old timer, but want to put this into perspective from both sides. The rules are the rules, and need to be followed on both sides. Just to clarify, I've seem abuses from both prisoners and staff- all of which penalize the prisoners and in some extreme cases do jeopardize the staff, which equally is not Ok. This also jeopardizes the other inmates. I know this as my man has done this many times in the past. I just thought this prisons was supposed to be different. I thought I would put this into perspective from an old timers lady for both sides.

After visiting this Prison many times, I must say this past weekend was the most Pleasant. Co's SMILED and talked to Visiters with RESPECT (instead of grunting) and OVER ALL I LEFT FEELING "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" :)

If I have a great Visit then the Inmate has a GREAT VISIT and goes back to his cell a HAPPY CAMPER! WE ALL BENEFIT!

I even saw the Inmates mingle with the CO's on a Friendly Level, which I have not seen EVER at this Prison.

One more note, who ever designed this place wasn't thinking about FAMILIES walking by the inmates Cell windows. If I see one more naked inmate in Building A cell windows, as I walk to the Visiting Room for Yard B, I am going to scream! GEESH, Guys that is not RIGHT! I won't be bring any kids to this place for that reason.

Keep up the good work!
Kathy

Hello everbody, thanks for all your support and email. Just want to let all of you know my family member had his 115 hearing and was found innocent. I am very happy that truth and honesty prevailed. I pray that nobody who was truly innocent has been erroneously found to be guilty in this matter. I agree it is wrong for anybody to hurt others whether it be an inmate or a guard and rules must be followed. Violence against others is not the answer. Nobody wins in these situations and many who are innocent end up paying the price right along with those who initiate the incidents.