this may sound really dumb....but im trying HARD to figure out what race would this person be...it is important to know......
okay....this person's great grandma was white/indian and the great grandma met the great grandpa who was creole...they mixed together made a child...which is the person's grandpa who was white/indian/creole.....right? okay the grandpa meets the grandma who is creole...and they make a son who is the person's dad....so with the mixture of white/indian/double creole....the dad meets the mom which is indian/creole...and they have a child which is the person...
what race is the person????????????????????????
oh creole is french/spanish of black decent...for the ones who didn't know.

creole is defined as anyone who has french born parents, but it's come to mean more.
does race matter, shouldn't it be whatever they identify with?

why is this this so imported???

Generally, people with mixed cultures or religions identify based on how they are raised. They actually can choose for themselves.

i just really need to know...that is why i said it is important...please don't hate me for asking....i ask if someone knows....
okay this person is in a relationship with a black guy who is in prison and this person wants to know what to say when her boyfriend askes...or when her future kids will ask...and most of all she wants to know for herself .....she was just raised ignoring the facts and now that she is an adult she dont want to do any ignoring in her future.

thank you!

My father is Black, My mother is a Louisiana Creole, which is generally a mixture of Black, Spanish, French and Native American. A lot of my mothers family runs very fairskinned, to very dark-skinned. My mother is very fair skinned and is often asked if she is White or Spanish. When people ask my nationality, for the most part I am Black, but I am a mixture. Like all the others have said, it depends on how the person decides to identify themselves.

it is just so hard for this person....:cry:
just want an answer...
i understand a mixture..but sometimes what is the main race...the base...?

I think everyone's base is different. Mine is Black...

okay please look on my avatar pic...from that color skin...what would u consider the person "me" to be ?

Human!!!!!!

People trip on race too much, especially since there is absolutely no scientific basis to define race. For example, in Brazil, being black means something totally different than it means here. In Africa people are very dark and black people and most Indians here are mixed with white so they are very light. So there is no way to identify someone's so-called race by DNA. If you took out the brain of a black person from Africa, a white person from Sweden and a south American indian, no doctor or scientist would be able to tell whose brain is whose. I know the prison system forces race on us like it is the most important factor about a person, but it isn't scientific at all. Culture is generally what you are raised with and is much more important, I think, than race. Labeling is very hard.

ok well i knew i should not have asked....

My Mother Is Creole, Puerto Rican,and Black. My Father Is Black, I'm Black

IMO...this person is Creole, White, and Indian. I think this person is MAINLY Creole and Indian...b/c all of your family members had some Creole and Indian in them. I am a MIX...I'm German (50%), Irish, Scottish, Dutch, Swedish, English, American Indian(like 2%)....and most of all AMERICAN!!!!! I hope you can figure it out b/c you seem like your really would like to know!! If me and my man have kids...you can add Puerto Rican and Italian to that list:eek: Keep your head up sweetie!! Hugs:p
-Jackie

*Oh yea...in my opinion...we are all AMERICAN!! America is a melting pot of different races and cultures...most people are a mix of something!*

Mamacita-
It sounds like you are talking about yourself, am I right?

A person's race can be whatever they identify with. You can not always tell a person's race by the color of their skin. Americans get too tripped up on skin color as it relates to race and heritage. My hope is within a few more generations, we will stop defining ourselves by the color of our skin and instead by our culture.

I think it's a personal choice what "race" you want to be identified with & for what reason.

My husband is Japanese & has children from his first wife, who is caucasion, mostly. (a great-grandfather was from Cuba & she has an Hispanic last name), Everyone else along the way was caucasion. So I see my step-children as half Japanese & half caucasion.

Well, because of my step-kids Hispanic last name, when they applied for college, they claimed to be a minority & hyphenated their last name with the Hispanic last name last. For example: Sue Japanese name-Hispanic name. Their High School counselor advised them to do that. The Universities don't consider Japanese a minority anymore because there are so many in the Universities.

I don't know why they even felt they needed to do this because the oldest graduated from high school Val Dictorian with a GPA of 4.47 & the other was straight "A"s all 4 years. (The oldest went to Harvard & then Berkeley Law).

There was an inmate in the visiting room when I visit my friend, whom I would consider Black. One day when I was visiting, the Blacks were supposed to be on lock-down, but this man was in the visiting room. I asked my friend why that man was allowed visitations when Blacks where supposed to be on lock-down. He said that that guy is listed as "Native American", so basically he doesn't get locked-down unless the whole prison is on lock-down.

Tiger Woods is half Black & half Phillippino, but most people see him as a Black man & try to promote him as such.

Anyway, my point is, unless there is a specific reason someone needs to be identified by a certain race, what's the point? America is called the "melting pot" for a reason.

As far as your specific question.....I would say the final "product" would be mostly Creole, then Indian (are you referring to Native American Indian or India Indian?), then caucasion. Bottom line, that person should be the best he/she can be, no matter what, & be proud of that!

p.s. I'm just American-mutt!

it is so HURTFUL but okay i wont worry................

Regardless of the grandparents -- what race does the person identify with? Normally, at least from what I was taught -- if you have one drop of "black" blood - -you are considered black -- I know this sounds strange...but a girl at work has a black mother and white father -- and she considers herself black...

From the skin color on the avatar -- you could be hispanic, asian, black, etc...so the actual color is not enough to go on....what does the person's parents consider themselves?

Mami - I'm not sure why this should be hurtful. . . if you cross-breed a German Shepherd with a poodle, then take the offspring and breed them to a English spaniel/pug mix, what would you call that? You might as well take the first letter from each "official" race (because that's what breeds of dogs are) and make a name of that, so it's perhaps a "gspesp". You sound like you want a specific identity - well go ahead, be whatever you want.

mamicita, if I take what I read here by the folks and make these assumptions -

indian = american indian
indian = white
creole = black

then this person is 2/3 black and 1/3 white - if I did the math right. So the main race would be black I think. But it is probably not accurate if there is white mixed in with creole, it would add more white into the mix.

P.S. I looked at your avitar and the skin color looks like a white person to me.

I totally agree with venice my Fiance's family includes black/white/cherokee indian/irish and german..He was raised by a a mother who is 3/4 cherokee indian1/4 white a grandmother who is full blooded cherokee and his father/step father who is black he has brothers/sisters some of who are white and some are black. He identifies hisself as black but as you can see he is mixed with all kinds of different things. But to him his race does not really matter, to him he is just happy with who he is!!

yes i want one answer....i don't want to have to explain from grandparents to parents...i want to start out saying i am.....instead of having to explain..and i wish someone would understand that...
im not saying anything bad here...i just want to know the answer to the question....being here in louisiana...creole is the answer....
being in any other state...black is the answer...
but what about the difference in creole and black? are we to forget?
and what about the other included mixes? are we to ignore that?

yes i want one answer....i don't want to have to explain from grandparents to parents...i want to start out saying i am.....instead of having to explain..and i wish someone would understand that...
im not saying anything bad here...i just want to know the answer to the question....being here in louisiana...creole is the answer....
being in any other state...black is the answer...
but what about the difference in creole and black? are we to forget?
and what about the other included mixes? are we to ignore that?


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n.

A person of European descent born in the West Indies or Spanish America.

<LI type=a>A person descended from or culturally related to the original French settlers of the southern United States, especially Louisiana.
The French dialect spoken by these people.
A person descended from or culturally related to the Spanish and Portuguese settlers of the Gulf States.
often creole A person of mixed Black and European ancestry who speaks a creolized language, especially one based on French or Spanish.
A Black slave born in the Americas as opposed to one brought from Africa.
creole A creolized language.
Haitian Creole.i must say if my ex saw this thread he would be so upset. he's 100% creole and is very proud of his heritage, i called him and he said when you're creole, you know you're creole. you have the accent, you know the history and the culture and you live it.
a nationality or racial identification is not necessarily in your blood, it's how you're raised. I'm a mutt, I have just about everything in me, but if you ask me what I am, I say Italian. That's how I was raised, it's what I identify with.
Only you know what you are, not a bunch of people who have never met you :) What does your heart say?

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n.

A person of European descent born in the West Indies or Spanish America.

<LI type=a>A person descended from or culturally related to the original French settlers of the southern United States, especially Louisiana.
The French dialect spoken by these people.
A person descended from or culturally related to the Spanish and Portuguese settlers of the Gulf States.
often creole A person of mixed Black and European ancestry who speaks a creolized language, especially one based on French or Spanish.
A Black slave born in the Americas as opposed to one brought from Africa.
creole A creolized language.
Haitian Creole.i must say if my ex saw this thread he would be so upset. he's 100% creole and is very proud of his heritage, i called him and he said when you're creole, you know you're creole. you have the accent, you know the history and the culture and you live it.
a nationality or racial identification is not necessarily in your blood, it's how you're raised. I'm a mutt, I have just about everything in me, but if you ask me what I am, I say Italian. That's how I was raised, it's what I identify with.
Only you know what you are, not a bunch of people who have never met you :) What does your heart say?


i know i am creole..and i love it!
itz just...i won't ignore everything....
because if i was someone's grandmother i would not want my grandchild to ignore the fact of what i am and what part she/he is...
im 20. french last name...speak french and spanish.

you don't have to ignore anything. you are what you are. when you have children you tell them they are creole, and if they want more detail you go into it then.
make a family tree detailing everything, they they will know.

someone's "race" is what they identify with the most. i am 50% white (french, polish, canadian) 50% hispanic with some native american in there somewhere i think lol. well even tho i'm a mix of a lot i identify myself as being hispanic and say such. it's all what u feel. theres no right or wrong answer about something like this - it's whatever U want it to be, however u feel and whatever u identify urself with more. it's not, "oh i'm in LA so i'm one thing, but when i go into another state i'm something else..." NO not at all! what u are is what u are no matter who's around or what atmosphere u are in. it's a part of you and u cant change that. like someone said before skin color means nothing anymore so dont identify urself just from that. so animosity u are whatever u identify urself with more - u are what u were raised and believe in and nothing can change that. whatever u identify with more, which ever side that might be, thats what u are ma.

uh. wouldn't you be mixed? mixed with creole, indian and whatever the other ethnicity was? just tell him you're mixed and with what. i doubt he'll be foaming at the mouth, waving a race survey at you.

that 1 drop of black blood theory has got to be put to sleep. the only reason it was even brought up was to bring about control and restrictions for people with a mixture of black in them. haha, it even sounds ridiculous.

If I were you, I'd go with just Creole. It sounds more exotic! Then let the person whose asking figure it out. No need for a "history lesson".:thumbsup:

Literally mamacita, you would go back through the male line and that is what your heritage is. Your prominant heritage is not from the female side, it is from the male side.
I am Greek, irish, dutch, indian. My heritage is Greek. My grandfather was born there, my father is Greek/Irish. Therefore I am Greek.
So go back and look at the male side from Great Grandfather/Grandfather/Father and that is what you are....

Your heritage is Creole....

Sherrie

just out of curiousity what have you been saying you are for the past couple of years

just out of curiousity what have you been saying you are for the past couple of years


well parents say black because they feel that is how they are looked at as.
i say creole...but only louisiana ppl understand that.

more than people from louisiana know what creole is!
If creole is what you are it's what you are, you stick too that, if someone doesn't know what it is, educate them :)

more than people from louisiana know what creole is!
If creole is what you are it's what you are, you stick too that, if someone doesn't know what it is, educate them :)

no...most ppl think of creole as blacks and cajuins as whites...
it gets so confusing that i don't even know what to claim.

well, creole is not a race, it's an ethnicity. interestingly enough there are really only three different races of humans - caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid (excuse my spelling)

who cares what most people think? creole could be ANY race because it starts with french, spanish, or porteguese born parents, any of whom could be any race.

it doesn't have to be confusing, Nicky, you said it yourself, you're creole, that's what you are, that's how you were raised and that's what you claim. If people think differently you should educate them, they will be better for knowing what it really is instead of being mislead. Don't let your identity get confused because of 'what most people think'

I defiently agree with Whiskey...you are CREOLE! I have to say...I just learned something new from this post....in my last post I named everything I was mixed with...but I guess I am GERMAN b/c that's what my father's side is...interesting:rolleyes: Sweetie...you said your Creole and you love it...so be proud of it and don't worry about what others think!! If I ever have kids with my man and we have to do a family tree....we are in big trouble!! I hope you have came up with your answer now...it's completely ok to be a mix...most of us are!! Hugs:p
-Jackie

According to the laws in the United States if you have even one drop of "black blood", African American as I prefer to look at it, you are legally black and entitled to any minority based assistance like scholarships or ???. The great debate will never end, but rest assured that politics will get you in the end.... Good luck with your search for identity. ****{HUGS}}}

I defiently agree with Whiskey...you are CREOLE! I have to say...I just learned something new from this post....in my last post I named everything I was mixed with...but I guess I am GERMAN b/c that's what my father's side is...interesting:rolleyes: Sweetie...you said your Creole and you love it...so be proud of it and don't worry about what others think!! If I ever have kids with my man and we have to do a family tree....we are in big trouble!! I hope you have came up with your answer now...it's completely ok to be a mix...most of us are!! Hugs:p
-Jackie


yes but the problem is....i am lighter than my parents...and i don't understand why because my parents are closer to my grandfather than i am...
someone said follow the father's side more than the mother's side...well my grandfather on my father's side was white/indian....so still that leaves me to square one....
and if creole is not a race...then why say i am?....thats why u ppl are confusing an already confused person on this issue...

I'm saying that there are only three RACES, everything else is an ethnicity. the two are often confused, and people intertwine the two.
Honey, you're creole, that's what you are.
You are confusing yourself, by thinking about it too much lol!
Yes technically you should follow your father's blood lines, that makes me Irish, but I'm not, I only say I'm Italian. It's more of how your raised than what your blood says.
It doesn't have to be this complicated, if you grew up saying and accepting that you were one thing, if that's the culture you identify with THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE.
if you're worried about what to tell your grandchildren and what not, make a family tree with ethnicities on it, they will better understand that way.

I'm saying that there are only three RACES, everything else is an ethnicity. the two are often confused, and people intertwine the two.
Honey, you're creole, that's what you are.
You are confusing yourself, by thinking about it too much lol!
Yes technically you should follow your father's blood lines, that makes me Irish, but I'm not, I only say I'm Italian. It's more of how your raised than what your blood says.
It doesn't have to be this complicated, if you grew up saying and accepting that you were one thing, if that's the culture you identify with THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE.
if you're worried about what to tell your grandchildren and what not, make a family tree with ethnicities on it, they will better understand that way.

so is there a big difference in creoles and blacks?
i just want to know....because of skin color...
u see my skin color in my avator pic...i am lighter than my parents..and i don't know why...........
because i was raised not talking about that...

Mami - the only reason that you may be lighter than your parents, oh help, do you know any genetics? . . . Say there are 2 genes for skin color - 1 black, 1 white. Each parent caries both of them. If each of your parents has that , then the odds work out this way - 1 child will have 2 black skin genes, 1 child will have 2 white genes, and 2 children will have 1 black and 1 white gene. So, 1 kid will look very dark, darker than the parents, 2 will look pretty much like the parents, and 1 will look much lighter. All the same parents.

If this still confuses you, use a deck of cards - black suits and red suits. (Nobody cares right now whether they are 9s or jacks or 3s.) Shuffle them up and turn over 2 at a time - you'll get black/black. black/red and red/red pairs. That's how it works for the genes. But on the back of the cards, there's a company name - Bicycle, or Ace, or whatever. That's like the other half of your problem, the "culture/ethnicity/race". There are still 9s and jacks and 3s, but they're from different makers.

If that doesn't help, I'll find you some good genetic resources.

Mami - the only reason that you may be lighter than your parents, oh help, do you know any genetics? . . . Say there are 2 genes for skin color - 1 black, 1 white. Each parent caries both of them. If each of your parents has that , then the odds work out this way - 1 child will have 2 black skin genes, 1 child will have 2 white genes, and 2 children will have 1 black and 1 white gene. So, 1 kid will look very dark, darker than the parents, 2 will look pretty much like the parents, and 1 will look much lighter. All the same parents.

If this still confuses you, use a deck of cards - black suits and red suits. (Nobody cares right now whether they are 9s or jacks or 3s.) Shuffle them up and turn over 2 at a time - you'll get black/black. black/red and red/red pairs. That's how it works for the genes. But on the back of the cards, there's a company name - Bicycle, or Ace, or whatever. That's like the other half of your problem, the "culture/ethnicity/race". There are still 9s and jacks and 3s, but they're from different makers.

If that doesn't help, I'll find you some good genetic resources.


lol....the thing is okay say im creole ....
but it was said that creole is an ethnicity not a race...
so if someone asks...what is your race?...what is the answer?...and should it be black because of what it is wanted to believe or should it be ...? what other?....im just not understanding what to really say....cause i really want to talk to my man about this...he is black and he knows im different from him.

Creole is a name for a mix. Just like a cockapoo is a name for a poodle/cocker spaniel mix.
End the whole damn' thing - your race is HUMAN. Anything more than that is just nit-picking. Stop making it important.

They finally started letting people check more than one box on the race questionaires because a lot of people wanted to honor all their relations. Honor all of yours . . . be a Creole.

Creole is a name for a mix. Just like a cockapoo is a name for a poodle/cocker spaniel mix.
End the whole damn' thing - your race is HUMAN. Anything more than that is just nit-picking. Stop making it important.

They finally started letting people check more than one box on the race questionaires because a lot of people wanted to honor all their relations. Honor all of yours . . . be a Creole.

sorry

most people when asking for your race mean your ethnicity. race is really something that defines our bone structures, and you can tell where a person orginated from, like the way your nose is, etc etc etc. so when people ask what your race is, they aren't asking are you a caucasiod, mongaloid or negroid, and if you gave them one of those answers they would be confused.
honey you are CREOLE and you have a BEAUTIFUL skin tone, it's the color it is because of genetics, just because you're lighter doesn't mean you are less than anything.
like i said, you are what you identify with. it sounds like you're mighty confused, have you talked to your family about this? it may help you out hun. Even if you were raised not talking about, make it an issue, talk to your grandparents and your parents and other relatives, they can help you work it out, WAY better than we can.

hey mamicita

i have been thinking this over all morning and wanted to add my 2 cents worth. "race" is a very complicated issue and i realise that for some its a big deal and others its not, personally i beleive we if we have to we should identify with our cultural ethenicity as its far more accurate.

Originally race was defined by the 3 categories mentioned above (sorry i dont know how to quote) but they have had to now add Australiod as the australian aboriginals didnt fit any of the 3 standard races. All these "races" were defined long before international travel and migration, making there application to modern life some what out dated. the term race was used to categorise based on hair color and texture, skeletal frame, skull shape and size, then later on it was blood type and sickle cell etc etc. doesnt sound like thats what it means any more does it?

Our identity should be based on who we feel we are and the family traditions and ways that have shaped our life and continue to do so, you mention that you are bi-lingual in keeping with your "creole" heritage, imagine for a moment you didnt know your blood line so well, do you follow the ethnic tradtions other than those that are identified as "creole" or "american"?

Race is a word thats used on forms, and by ignorant ppl (just my opinion), if i was asked, which i dont think i ever have been i would be assuming they wanted to know the color of my skin, other wise I'm an Aussie! but that only identifies my cultural background.

I know your young and these things sometimes seem to matter more when your younger, i suggest you talk to family and life long friends if this is bothering you, see how your cousins siblings identify themselves. self identity is important.

:) i found this site...hopefully i will learn something...no my grandparents or all dead...and my other family won't help or can't help with this information :(
http://www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/creoleculture.htm

I hope you find the answers that you're looking for hun.

I am a mixture, but embrace the fact that my mother is a First Nations (Native) person. First and foremost I am human being, and my family is Native, Scottish, German and well... Heinz 57 is what I am. But embracing the unique ways of one side is where my heart is. I tend to focus on that side and thats what I say I am. I am a first Nations woman, and happy to be part of many differences in Race, and ethnicity. Hold true to what is in you. Don't worry about what to call yourself... Just be.
Hugs

I am not understand why is this so hard for you to decide? Here in texas when my daughter was born they told they go by what the father is .. So my daughter is considered white. If you are creole .. Sweetie there is an OTHER box you can fiill out and let them know what you are.

HEY GIRL I AM SORRY THIS IS HARD FOR YOU. WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME WHAT I AM I FIRST SAY I AM MIXED AND IF THEY ARE DYING TO KNOW WHAT EXACTLY MY RACE IS THEN I BREAK IT DOWN FOR THEM. DONT STRESS ABOUT IT GIRL. NO ONE CAN MAKE YOU CHOOSE ONE SIDE OR MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE RACE OVER THE OTHER. JUST SAY YOU ARE ALL OF THE ABOVE..LOL!! YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL NO MATTER WHAT YOU ARE.:)

Im mixed race - (50% black Jamaican & 50%). Although i acknowledge that i am mixed race, if there is a form or document where i have to tick a box to say what race i am and there isnt a mixed box, i ALWAYS put black, because that is what i identify more to. I was raised in a black home by my father. In no way do i disregard my mother and her race. If people look at me i dont look mixed, black or white!

I remember when i was on vacation in Jamaica... This man jumped out in front of me and said, "There's a war out there between black and whites. Which side are you on?" I told him that i wasnt on a side! He said "So you're in the middle then?" I told him yes. He then said, "Bwoy, thats one hell of a place to be! White people wont accept you as one of theirs because you have that drop of black in you, but black people will accept you because in their eyes you are black!"
I thought that he was talking pure fart! I then thought about what he had said, and realised that there is an element of truth in what he said!
That said, i will still always recongise that i have white blood in me, but i cant relate to the white culture or way of life.

Only you can decide what race you are. I would say that you are MIXED. It doesnt matter what mix you are. Mixed just means that you arent any one race, which clearly descibes you. If you say that you are creole, it doesnt mean that you arent acknowledging other races and vice versa. Its just the race that you can identify with! Also, if you say that you are mixed, it gives room for you to be able to elaborate and list your mixture of races.

I hope that you find your answer within yourself soon. Race can be a difficult thing to deal with.

Here in texas when my daughter was born they told they go by what the father is ..

This is what they say here in the UK too. That is why children of parents whom arent married always take their fathers surname. Its the father who determines the childrens roots.

sounds like math. i love it. 1/3 white. 1/3 indian and 1/3 creole. actual "amounts" doesn't matter, because it's still 3 diffrent races. Ive done this with other people too.