DO YOU KNOW OF ANYONE WHO COMMITTED A VIOLENT ATTACK AND WAS ALSO ON PROZAC, PAXIL OR OTHER SSRI'S. THESE DRUGS CAN CAUSE MANIC EPISODES IN SOME AND NOT IN OTHERS. SUPPOSEDLY 1 OUT OF 10 ARE TAKNG THESE DRUGS FOR DEPRESSION, AND OTHER ALIMENTS. MY BROTHER COMMITTED A VIOLENT CRIME AFTER JUST STARTING THE PRESCRIPTION AND TAKING 2 PILLS TOGETHER ONE NIGHT. MAYBE IF YOU THINK BACK YOU MAY REMEMBER SOMEONE IN PRISION WHO COMMITTED A VILOLENT CRIME AND YOU DIDN'T PUT THE TWO TOGETHER. ALSO VERY BAD DRUG FOR SOME, THEY WILL COMMIT SUICIDE. CHECK OUT THE WEB SITES. WRITE ME AT Personal email edited out by Administrator - Please see PTO Policies AND INCLUDE SSRI IN SUBJECT LINE OR ANSWER HERE FOR ALL TO SEE. LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK AS A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF TAKERES WILL TURN INTO SAVAGE ANIMALS AND ELI LILY DOES NOT WANT TO LOSE THIS CASH COW, MANY ARE PAID OFF AND COURT CASES NEVER BEGIN. MOST WILL SAY "I TAKE IT, NOTHING HAPPENED TO ME." BUT..IT IS POSION FOR A SMALL %. COLUMBINE KIDS WERE ON IT...THANKS FOR YOUR HELP.

with one in ten people on prozac, others must have made a connection, check the web..violence, ssri's, prozac, paxil, columbine etc...why did a guy with no history of even a fight, start a prescription of prozac and double up on the meds one night in the beginning of his prescription and then turn so violent that he killed someone. He was not a drinker or a drug taker, didn't even smoke pot. Does anyone know of others who took these drugs and became UNBELIVABLE violent. This is a story about my brother. Give me your stories, think about your loved ones and friends and maybe even yourself. It looks like Eli Lily has been paying off suits so they didn't get to trial. There is even a petition on line with thousands of signatures asking the FDA to look at Prozac associated with violence and suicides.
THANKS...HE STILL HAS AN APPEAL SOMEDAY.

mop,

Welcome to PTO.

I don't have any response to your questions...

I hope that you find answers....

Welcome to PTO. My aunt was put on prozac for depression several years ago and committed a violent suicide. My uncle later found out that the prozac was a major contributing factor.....I believe that he did file a law suit.....

Deb

Welcome Mop
I an not for sure but I believe that the Boy who flew his plane inot a building and crashed in Fl. I think was on that med, it was right after 9/11. Reader Digest had some stoies on it too
Good luck
Terri

I suffered from severe depression since I was a young child. They say it can be triggered by a traumatic experience (father died when I was seven, mother subsequently had a nervous breakdown and was abusive). I knew there was something wrong with me my whole life. I even became a psych major because I wanted to help people like me. I studied psychology since I was nine. By the time I got therapy I had already come to terms and understood the root causes of my illness. I went on Prozac when I was in my mid twenties. At first it was a godsend. I took it for about a year and a half. It took about two months to get the dosage right. After that I went off it and I was fine. I went back on it for preventative reasons ( I was always depressed in the winter, also known as SADD, seasonal affectve disorder). I went nuts. I became suicidal, as well as violent. Drugs that affect the brain are not to be prescribed lightly. Brain chemistry is very touchy. The same drug that saved my life also had the potential to ruin it. If anybody is interestedin hoe this drug affects the brain, please e-mail me. I have done lots of research on it, as well as been a guinea pig.

jsgal

Depending on what that meds is used for. I am on paxil, and it is an anit depressant and helps with axeinty levels.

I never heard of prozax doing t his type of thing to someone UNLESS that meds was used for the wrong puprose. meaning, that some take if one is bi-polar( that is just an example, not sure what is used for what)

Prozax is also a downer.

Prozac is not a downer. It is specifically designed to react with the seratonin levels in the brain. It reacts with certain neurotransmitters in the brain, unlike older medications which just sedated the brain (i.e. lithium, Thorazine, etc....)

There have been several documented cases of people taking cetrain sratonin re-uptake inhibotors and experiencing severe side effects: including psychosis, violent behavior, suicidal behavior, and at the very least sexual dysfunction.

brain chemistry is very touchy, and yes I agree, they were so excited about the benefits, they ignored the risks

Well, me too, at 1st it was a Godsend, but then my moods were weird so I went off it by myself. My doc tripped, but I didn't have any side effects of going off it. Then in 2001, I started taking Effexor and it helped a lot, then stupid me, stopped taking it because I was "ok", yeah right. Well, on Nov. 25th 2001, I downed over 100 Prozac and 56 Trazadone after I handed my husband a note. He saved my life by going to the pay phone & calling the Ambulance and I almost died. The docs at the ER said they don't know how I survived w/ my blood pressure so low, technically, I was dead. But now, I am not on any anti-depressants, though I should be, but I don't like the way they make me feel, so I just stay sad.
I would not recommend Prozac to many, but for some, it works wonderfully.. Some though get violent and either kill themselves or someone else, and this is well documented...
diane

Prozac is a downer or considered one, mainly causes it coms the brain activity down.

just like any other meds, for some people it may react diffrently to others. For me, it does not work, mainly cause of the other meds i am on. For some, it works wonderfully

here is a link that will give you a lot of information on prozac

http://content.health.msn.com/content/drugs/2/4046_1860?bn=Prozac

I am on Prozac and have killed NOONE YET :)
I'm better on it then I am off it .......so my friends say :)
Don't know about anyone but myself :)

Renne,,,,lol I cant take the stuff. It drives me nuts. That is due to all my other meds.

Prozac is not considered a downer, it is known to disturbed you sleeping parterns. That is why in most cases you will be prescribed a sleeping aid at night so you can sleep. jsgal you are right in what you say.
For my patients I always tried to stay away from Prozac if possible.
Prozac is known as Fluoxetine, prozac is the company name for it.
Yes it does work great for some, but its bad far out weighs its good.

softie

A psychiatrist gave me a web site to look into these meds. On the web site it said that Prozac helps relaxes the brain working like a downer. I did not by no means mean that it was a downer like a drug. I am still looking for that web site and I have called her as well. I would like to get that web site from her.

This is prozac and what it is used for. In the medical profession it is not considered a downer at all.
• Fluoxetine is in a class of drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Fluoxetine affects chemicals in the brain that may become unbalanced and cause depression or mood disturbances, eating disorders, or obsessive or compulsive symptoms.
• Fluoxetine is used to treat depression, obsessive-compulsive disorders, panic disorder, and bulimia (binge eating and purging). It doesn't relax the brain, it interfers with the chemical inbalance in the brain.

softie

*HUGS* Softie I sure miss seeing you around!!
<<It doesn't relax the brain, it interfers with the chemical inbalance in the brain.
>>
I guess I have to HAVE a brain for this to mess with mine lol
ok ok just/kidding but had to laugh abit at this one.

sounds like it is used for everything, kind of like an aspirin. anyway like religion, it helps a lot of people. On the other hand it may take one out of 1000 who already has brain chemistry problems (most of us do) and turn him into an unthinking, unfeeling machine. do your own research; search for prozac (and the word) violence. if you have other alternatives, use them. you will also see with research..that the drug company settles before it goes to trial; avoiding big problems for them.

Thanks Renee, I have been around just not much ((hugs))))))) you know me I come and go.
We had the MRI, but now ord on it yet.

Oh GF you have a brain your head hasn't sunk in yet so see something holds it up........lol
You know I love ya.

softie

lol softie!! I'm having a MRI next week sometime. Hope ya'lls comes out good!
*HUGS* and *LOVE*
Renee

Let us know how yours goes Renee. The baby having one wasn't fun, they had to knock her our with intervenus. Believe me she wasn't impressed.

Love ya
softie

yall crack me up,,,,lol

I've been on Prozac for a long time now. I've never had any bad effects from it; the one thing I know is that my doctor hasn't taken me off even when I said "I'm better", because it's always very difficult to treat the symptoms with the same dosage if you need to go back on the meds again.

I think I'm very lucky that it has worked for me........I was not a very nice person to be around before I got on this treatment. And, I don't know what would've happened to me if I was untreated when everything went down for my husband.

I think the drug, along with other circumstances, could cause problems for other people; it just happened to work well for me.

Caro Mop,

Hola! Welcome! Good points, expressed well; thanx!

Sorry for everything that happened to your bro. please don't blame the meds! Clearly the meds tell you about manic or suicidal thoughts, I take Zoloft & it warns me of particular behavior ect. right in the patient information. Personally I don't believe the doctor perscribed him to take 2 pills at once, so I figure God only knows what could happen from intentionally overdosing.
Jessi

Originally posted by redjessi
Sorry for everything that happened to your bro. please don't blame the meds! Clearly the meds tell you about manic or suicidal thoughts, I take Zoloft & it warns me of particular behavior ect. right in the patient information. Personally I don't believe the doctor perscribed him to take 2 pills at once, so I figure God only knows what could happen from intentionally overdosing.
Jessi

Red sorry to be the one to say this, but I have tried these before and during the initial phase of the drug, the doc told me to take to pills at once. He prescribed a certain dosage and after seveal weeks on the meds, he told me to now start taking two pills a day. After several weeks of it still not working he switched to a different med and we started the same thing all over again. It is not uncommon for a doctor to ask someone to talke two a day rather than prescribing a higher dose (if it is available).

Personally, I never say any changes on all these. They neither helped or hurt me. I guess that I did not have the chemical brain imbalance that they work on. I am sorry to hear about your brother.

I hope Softie comes along and can shed more light on this dosage issue.

I myself take paxil along with another. and it has help me. I was stubborn as all get out, but finally took it and iw ish now i would have 4 years ago, then agin, meds only helps, it does not sovle the problem, what ever is going on with that person, they have to want that help in order to be helped.

It is difficult to diagnose the difference between bipolar ( manic depression) and depression. It depends on the cycles, to diagnose bipolar. So if you give meds for depression and the person is bipolar, of the type that fluctuates between mania and depression, it can put the person into mania.
I used to be on a list for psych meds done by mostly psychiatrists. The thing is, when they talk about problems with meds such as suicide, how do they know that the meds just weren't effective in preventing what was already there? If the person is violent to start with, or suicidal to start with? I can look this up in the PDR if you like.

I'm rereading above. It takes a while for the meds to get into your system. Two pills is not going to make someone have some severe reaction, especially when they are just starting it. Haven't you ever had a dr tell you to take more antibiotics for a few days, for example? It has to get to a certain level to help. Other drugs, they say wait a month to see if it is going to help. I am a social worker with a masters but don't currently work with mentally ill adults.

Some of the psych drugs you take one in the morning and two before bed for a few days then back to one in the morning and one before bed.
I know I am both bi-polar and schizoprenic AND have sveral anxeity disprders. I currently take Paxil cr Risperadol and Sonata.
I know some take these meds and go whacko for others they are a goddess send. I for one am thankful for my meds they dont seem to do anything for me but good.
I was unaware of that particualr side effect of Paxil I thank you for the information.

Excalty, it works for some and some it dont.

I got lucky and only had to try one that works for me. I have had agoraphiba for almost 5 years and once i got HELP and stayed ont he meds like i was suppose too, it helped me. I am now out of the house alomost every day.

The meds are only part of the healing process. Meds do not cure you, only helps.

May of 2001, i was on pazil for three days, then one morning, decided to take all of my pills (Klonopin, and paxil). that didn't give me the desired effect, so i proceeded to fill my appartment with natural gas. way out of character, believe me! to make a long story short, i spent 5 months in the Allegheny County Jail, now i'm out and under house arrest. Could it have caused me to do something irrational? maybe...

I have heard of Prozac doing that to people. I know this girl that had to start taking it, she started getting so violent with her husband she went off of it. She still needs a medicine for her depression, but refuses to take anything becuase she is scared she will act like she did while taking Prozac. She has 2 girls, she was afraid she might snap and hurt them and not mean to. I have to take a med. for a migraine, and one of the side effects are mental/mood changes. I made sure I read my pamplet so me and my husband would know what to look for, so I would know if I needed to come off of it. Of course, he says I'm hateful all the time anyway and wouldn't be able to tell. LOL. But I do believe these medicines react of everybody different and causes people to do things the have no control over.

Well yeah i hear of it all the time. I heard the columbine kids were on ridlin actually and so were a few from cali that shot up there schools and noe one listened but some thought that could of triggered it. I also heard a story on TV of a boy who was put on ridlin cuz he was hyper, etc ya know, but he didnt want to, well he was on it and acted diff. a lil better, then got more angry, well they wanted to get him off but decided to keep him on it. Next thing u know later that week, he stabbed his grandma and dad to DEATH and said he didnt know what came over him but ever since he took ridlin he had anger and flipped out. Sad shit there. So yeah i 100 percent beileve that stuff can mess with kids brains.

Majority of ADD or ADHD kids dont have the sickness but are diagnosed cuz there hyper, wtf and they get put on ridlin, prozac, etc, which id never put my kid on, i dont care what thwey have. But yea, i mean i dont think Paxil does anything, i was on that for 6 mons, and never had the urge to kill or fight or flipp out, so im not sure about that one, but what im wondering is my fiancee(kinda i think i dunno anymore) ha, well he was on it for 10 years cuz he has ADHD, and he committed a violent crime, so i dont know if it is still effected the boy even after they are done using it years later. he got off it cuz it made no diff when he was on it or off.

But totally i agree that these meds. can make a small percentage of people lose it like alot of kids have that WERE on it, and i saw a trhing on the news saying how they wondered if it could be the cause of ridlin which alot of them were on. Hmmm yes, no, maybe so, but i know meds. can mess with a mind and instead of help, turn it deadly to committe horrible crimes. sucks! they need to fix those pills or something, not give them to kids, esp for long period of time. well, hope that helps. ktc

Dear KTC,

Hola! Excellent post, thanx! Yet
there
> are mitigating circumstances that add to the current distrust and
> non-support of school staff by parents. The psychiatric industry is
turning
> our children into its new money making machine, for the pharmaceutical
> industries, etc.; and its effects in the long-term could be worse than
that
> of the tobacco industries on our society at large and small. For i.e.,
the
> devolutionary effects of the pre-meditated mass drugging of our youth,
can't
> be underestimated in their long-term effect! Another good site on
drugging
> of youth, electroshock, etc. :)
>
> "An article from a friend of mine, John Breeding,PhD, who is a strong
> advocate in the battle to stop the drugging of children with Schedule II
> drugs. This and Bush's agenda are Capitalism at it's worst. Profit before
> People, other species, and the environment. More about John and his
> organization at :)
>
> www.wildestcolts.com
>
> Lots of helpful info there if you know a young person or parent who is
being
> coerced by their school district to put a child on these addictive and
> harmful drugs. Deborah"
>
> Some schools have as much as 30% of their children being administered
> pharmaceuticals! Aren't "we", especially responsible for this changing.
> Isn't societies' over-stimulation of children with violence, processed
foods
> with additives and sugars, salts, etc., smoking, over drinking, apathy,
lack
> of exercise, sex, drugs, etc., the largest sociological determinant in
that
> process; not the parents, per se. Isn't society in the divide and
> conquering business of manufacturing failures, victims, lowest common
> denominators to fill our offices, vocational training schools, minimum
wage
> jobs, correctional facilities, half-way houses, psychiatric institutions,
> "dysfunctional children who grow into dysfunctional adults, etc.! What do
> you think? Yes, an integration of the two, being more responsible, yet,
the
> third, society, is also responsible; all need to be addressed and altered
to
> work for the children's betterment, which will only better society. What
do you think? Write on! Copy and share as you will. Enjoy an autumnal eve'
as you can. Ciao, for now. i look forward....


Matutinally Yours,

Mop you still around? I know someone who killed someone else on prozac.

BTW I used to know somebody named Mop.

Well, I know this is an old thread, but I am new to PTO.
My hubby was put on prozac for about 6 weeks for depression, he complained about it making him feel weird. So he stopped taking it. He for sure went bonkers after that.
He got extremely violent, delusional, hearing voices. He is sitting in prison today because of it. After the nightmare, we found out he is bipolar. Prozac sent him into a severe manic state. MD's should not be allowed to prescribe drugs that mess with your brain, it can be dangerous to ones health, and anybody close to that person. It was mine.

Blueeyedlady

Those of you that have concerns about the possible side affects of the most common psyche meds (esp. Prozac and Paxil) PLEASE check out the information at the website!

Also, there's been a new case filed (Oct 3, 2003) against Eli Lily for a Prozac-related suicide. This time it was a member of a SWAT team, who was prescribed Prozac for mild depression, quit taking it after only a few days because it made him feel 'strange' and 4 days later he shot himself in the head!

I personally have seen Prozac cause some really violent behavior patterns in my oldest son. On the other hand my older sister seems to do very well on it. Why? Come to find out it all has to do with a particular 'enzyme' that some people seem to be short on!!

You can find more info about this enzyme and the 'test' that is available to chekc the enzyme 'before' you or a loved one actually start taking the meds!

Check out this and much more concern common mental health medications at:

http://www.prozactruth.com/

I know that Paxil in particular can sometimes cause manic and violent episodes when you stop taking it abruptly or miss a dose. There are many side effects when you miss a dose or stop. Makes you feel like shit and can be very dangerous. I was just talking to my dr yesterday as I started back on paxil and he said paxil is the absolute worst of all the ssri's to not miss it or stop taking it by yourself as it can make you feel awful and have episodes.

If your brother took two he may have experienced what is called Serotonin poisoning there is another name for this although it has slipped my mind.... this can also be experienced if you try taking st johns wort with ssri's.. My little boys dad did this and experienced awful episodes of shakiness and nervousness among other things. We had to take him to the er.... he had to eventually stop taking Paxil all together as it made him almost violently mean!!! i know A LOT of people that paxil in particular has afftected this way. I will try and remember the other name for serotonin poisoning... ! may have to call teh pharmacist in the am..

hope this helps.

Prozac and Paxil are in the ssri family (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) and are not downers or addictive... i noticed someone posted they are a downer. but they are not just an fyi

Amber

HEY CET

It takes only a moment for the meds to get into your system. You WILLl experience side effects THAT day when you start taking them!

It may take a month for them to make you feel a difference. For instance not being depressed, or having compulsions or panic attacks. i gaurantee you will notice you've taken them the first day though...

These medicationa alter the chemical balance in your brain..
These are not antacids please do not minimize the effects, dangerousness or importance of these meds.

My mother was taking prozac for depression and she was a MONSTER!!! She doesnt take any type of medication now and now only takes natural herbs(St. John's Wort).

I am not sure if anyone made this point yet. Often times depression is misdiagnosed ~ therefore when this happens Prozac does nothing but distress the individual. When used correctly Prozac helps many people deal with depression.