The most terrifying rumor about prison is rape. I can’t believe they guards can not control this, but from what I hear it happens to everybody. What is the truth about prison rape. Why do they do this, and most importantly, how can I avoid getting raped?

any links/advice

I have no great words of wisdom for you but I did want to say from what I have heard at least through the inmates I know it is not as common as one hears.I guess it may depend on the place but in the few different Ca. prisons where my ex was and friends currently are they say they have not witnessed nor heard of it happening there and some have been in for quite a few years.

thanks..

It sounds so selfish. There’s a million things to think about. I think I can cope with being locked up for so long. I just don’t think I can handle being raped or someone trying to turn me into a “punk”. I can’t handle it. Also, I am white, not that big, and haven’t been in a fight since the 8th grade (so I think I would be a prime target). But at the same time, I need you guys to be honest with me about this subject.

My mans been in 13 months now and has never made mention of anyone being raped in the 4 various units he's traveled through. At his current location, he has talked of men engaging in consensual sex. I think that, although there is evidence rape does occour in prison, it's not as pervalent as one would think.

My pen pal is in Texas. He's been away for 12 years and has heard of one rape. There were still funny circumstances with that too. The guy that was supposedly raped was white, and the 3 "attackers" were bigger than him but my pal says that the story from the inmates is that it was concensual on all parties. One thing to note is that the person that was raped was mentally retarded. Now, my pal says that rape is not like they make it out in the movies. It's rare to hear about it. You just have to be firm with it if someone propositions you to say no thanks, I don't swing that way and say it with confidence.

My husband has never told me about anyone getting raped. As the previous poster said, its always been consensual from what I hear. Not everyone gets raped...if they do, they are a target for some reason. I think a certain type of person gets targeted for rape, not sure why type of person though.

My husband says that there are enough guys willing to give it up for free. But, rape is not about sex--it's about power. And I don't see the inmates using that as a means to show their power. They have other ways.

Rape is not about sex but power and intimadation. In the outside world, there are no statistics on male sexual assult. It is estimated 1 out of every 6 boys will be sexually assulted by the time they turn 18. The actual frequency of adult male sexual assult can not be reliably estimated because of the reluctance of males to report.

Remember rape is the most undereported crime even by woman. It is estimated only 1/3 of woman report when they are sexually assulted

My boyfriend says the same, it's not as common as they make it out to be in the movies but it still happens, more in the maximum security prisons though. He told me that when he was first locked up that he was approached "that way" a few times because he was "small, white and I guess I was "cute"" as he put it. So he tried to make himself as unattractive as he could; grew a mustache and shaved his head (I don't think he's unattractive like that though :) ). He also made an effort to hang around "his own", meaning his own race.

I don't know what else to tell you... I hope you will not have to face something like that :(

One other thing I've heard, not exactly related to prison rape, but rape in general. If you carry yourself as "a victim" the chances of being raped increase big time according to some study I read years ago. So I guess it's about being self-confident too.

Good luck

When I spoke to my man about this before he said for me to "stop watching prison movies or OZ" LMAO, he says it does not happen where he was. The inmates themselves dont allow it.

Here's a link to a HRW report (2001) you might like to read, it's about rape in US prisons.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/

having been in the prison system myself, i can tell you that it does happen...primarily in max security prisons....there are men in there that are true predators and once you lock them up they turn into a new sort of predator.....it is true that the way you carry yourself inside will either keep you or cause you to be preyed upon.....weather you can fight or not, if you put up one the first time you are approached will help to keep the guys off of your back...and as said before, you should try to keep with your "own"....if you are going to a more low security prison, which you probaby are if you are still on here chatting, then your likely hood of dealing with it is decreased substantially....i will be going away here in just a few weeks myself and this is one of my wifes biggest worries, but believe you me, if they get any of this a$$ it won't be without one heck of a fight..lmao

A few from someone who worked in a Texas Max Prison...It happens don't let anyone fool you but not as often as you hear about like everyone else has stated already. As ShortBid pointed out it has to do with how you carry yourself. The first time someone tries to intimidate you about anything y ou have to stand y our ground, your reputation in prison is set very quick and if you punk out on anything the first time around your time will be hard, make a statement from the get go and earn some respect and you won't have near the problems you think you will. Prison life is very segregated as far as race goes, remember that. It is not always about prejudice but just how it is. Set your mindset now and don't show fear, period. We will pray for you and hope you get home to your loved ones soon. God bless.

Please remember almost ALL the crime you encounter on the streets can and does take place in prisons. The ratio of Officers to inmates is about two hundred to one. Does that mean they can't watch everybody all the time? You bet! I really don't have any comforting words here. Best advice I can offer is tell your inmate to find friends to help watch his/her back. IF they are raped they need to report it IMMEDIATELY. It's still a serious crime in, or out of prison.

This was one of my biggest fears when my bro went in too but he picked up on my fear and told me the same things the people before me have said. As long as you stay with your own and stick up for yourself the first time, you should be just fine. He also says that there are plenty of people who are willing or won't stick up for themselves. He also shaved his head b/c he's cute himself. He's been in two fights for that reason and both times he was new to the unit. If nothing else, you can ask for protective segregation. He's never had to though and you probably won't either. Stay safe and sane and know we're pulling for you.

My ex did a total of 5 years all over NY - never mentioned it as a problem, either for him or for those around him.

When I visited Chris two weeks ago, he told me of a guy in 7/8 wing that had been gang raped by three guys who had gotten drunk on pruno. There was also a guy murdered there with in the last two months, and another whose throat was cut. So even though it isnt on the news, I know Walla Walla has been pretty active lately.

When I spoke to my man about this before he said for me to "stop watching prison movies or OZ" LMAO, he says it does not happen where he was. The inmates themselves dont allow it.


Same exact quote, it tickled me when I read your post, to let me know I am not the only one who was thinking that stuff..lol :blush:

Bobby says it is nothing like on TV as well! He says that there is no nead to rape because there is plenty of guys wanting it.....so he told me not to worry about it either!

thanks..

It sounds so selfish. There’s a million things to think about. I think I can cope with being locked up for so long. I just don’t think I can handle being raped or someone trying to turn me into a “punk”. I can’t handle it. Also, I am white, not that big, and haven’t been in a fight since the 8th grade (so I think I would be a prime target). But at the same time, I need you guys to be honest with me about this subject.
Before I can properly address your concerns I'll need to know more about where you''ll be serving your time. If it's a federal camp, then I can assure you right now that you have absolutely nothing at all to worry about. You'll be just fine. Be assured that PTO's thoughts and prayers are with you.

My man was serving time in a Max facility in GA and he said it was a real problem there. The particular facility where he was had MAJOR problems and has since been converted to a women's facililty with the male inmates dispersed among other GA prisons. He said he never had a problem with being approached because he was known for fighting when he came in and the first couple of fights he got in when he was there, he beat the dudes so bad that not too many guys wanted to come at him wrong after that. He has said that in bad camps like Arrendale you have to let the inmates know that you don't fear them. If they feel like you're not scared they won't bother you. You show signs of fear and that's when they are all on you. He was transferred to a better facility last october and he said that rape is not an issue there. Good luck with your time. God Bless.

The most terrifying rumor about prison is rape. I can’t believe they guards can not control this, but from what I hear it happens to everybody. What is the truth about prison rape. Why do they do this, and most importantly, how can I avoid getting raped?

any links/advice
The CO's don't care. The best way to prevent from being turned out is to just say your not a homosexual. If it persists, then you at least got to stick up foryourself and fight back. If you don't you be an easy mark and labeled a punk. Also, don't borrow or gamble with anyone. Those are sucker traps for new fish. Get into debt, can't pay it back your in trouble. Most people just want to do there time. But, you are in prison and must watch your back literally.

i didnt read past the first 3 posts.but i will tell you rape is real.

there are alot of sick mentally ill prisoners.and sexual preditors.
if you resemble a girl or a little boy,or are petite in general.you can be conned out of your manhood.
i seen it happen..it starts off as games and jokes sometimes.until someone got a sausage in their face and a shank on their neck.
they do it for fun out of bordom. maybe theres a click of 3 or 4 rufffneck idiots that burn people and tie them up while sleeping steele stuff...then it goes further and further and all the sudden....yo its been 3 years since i had some skin.lets get that little .....when he goes in the shower.. you look out and ill hold em....and let darryl go first....punch him in the face a few times so he knows we aint playin.

or the most common is the gays....the gay guys get raped alot unless their owned by a respected person.otherwise their conned also...gimme some....and ill give you a carton of newport.i wont tell no one....the get finessed out of it.just like the NEW GUYS....
you got no hair on your body,white,small. you land in a max and act like chump,you gonna get disrespected,robed,beaten,slaved,and raped.in that order.

its not as commen as back in the 70s or early 80s ..but it happens..

there was a 7foot tall 350 pound jet black guy,i wont say his name.but he would just walk up to people and say lemme suck your....
if you tried to fight him you had no chance.
you would wake up with your pants down in a cell.
and he liked to be the ladie..once a day he had a victim....everyone said f that..no way..he comes near me ill kick his nuts,cut him choke him,call for the guard..
but when it came down to it..it happen so smoothly and fast,there was no time for anything but submission.even the people that woke and fought after got it again.
he like to be abused.he like to be hit.he was mental.
and he was freakishly large.like little 5 year olds fighting their father.
and the minors still get abused.
in long island there was a couple guards that consitently raped inmates.
in a secluded area while working.no one ever said anything.he had many victims/
guards have alot of mental problems also.they enjoy the stuff...maybe 1 out 5 guards will be a good person,the rest are scum.
im talking about ny prison and ny county jail..personally viewed .not the minors,but i know someone who was raped.

Wow I don't know! I have had my father, son's father, and loved one in prison and none have mentioned that going on. I was really worried about my son's father when he went in Uppstate NY (too much OZ) but besides a few fights he has survived and will be home on Monday. Both my father and my sweetie are in Federal custody and neither have made any mention of rapes taking place. My dad is in a federal prison and my sweetie is in a detention center. I have heard that these things takes place more in max facilities. Prison is similar to the streets you can't let people feel you are a punk or they will take advantage. Stand your ground and stay to yourself.

In my expierience you will only be raped, or tried to be turned into a "punk, if you are acting like one. If you mind your own business, and stay out of everyones way then you are ok. However aligning yourself with gangs for protection is not the answer. Be aware of your surroundings and who is around you. Remember they will size you up at first to see what you are mad of. BE ALERT AND KEEP YOU HEAD ON!

I have a cousin who was raped in TDC a few years back, he talked to me about waht happened, it was ugly and cruel and he went mental for a while afterwards. He also joined in the AB. Four (if i remember right) black males raped him until he went into the hospital (infermory). He had to be stiched up. He was small and 17 and immature. He caught a escape charge out of county cause he broke out of county and went home to his momma(who is his gma who raised him, his mother was killed by a black man and raped when he was 6 and yes he was there), he was scared and had just been sentenced to go to tdc. SO when he got to TDC, he had 7 years to serve, none of them were easy and he will never be the same. He talked to me about this when his first born child, a girl, was born. This gave me knowledge that helped my son as well. I hope my son uses it as he will be doing time soon i would say. My brother on the other hand killed a man who tried to rape him in his house(cell), he got away with it. To my knowledge he has not been raped, nor does he have ANY tattoos from any of the years he has done in Texas Prisons or jails. He initially entered TDC at 18 and he has done time three different times, shortest stay so far was five years before paroled! I have heard some shit! I have had more family in prison than not i think in texas!

I can’t believe they guards can not control this,

My husband was just released...I asked him about rape and he said if it did happen where he was at, it was because of the guards! The guards made the rape happen...

My husband was just released...I asked him about rape and he said if it did happen where he was at, it was because of the guards! The guards made the rape happen...



phillygurll, glad to see you dh is home!

OKay my old man has a life sent in ga doc and it does happen there. alot!!! i also know this first hand i use to work at smith state prison in glennville ga. it is a ugly ugly thing. i did my best to not let it happen but when you are a woman the only Co in a dorm of 100 close security male inmate you can only be in so many places at once. my dorm was a closed dorm meaning it had a tv area, 50 two bunk cells and a small yard. i had to watch it all at once.to much for 1 person,but thats the way it works in gdoc. I give the advice i give everyone that goes in to the ga system some may like it some may not. but i tell it from experiance from what i have seen. When you go in fight the first one who trys you and beat them down, that way people know you ain't scared ,you ain't a punk or sissy,and you will fight back plus since you are a new jack you will have some time in lock down to pull your self together about the idea of being locked up or atleast prepare yourself the best you can. for the other states i don't know maybe it don't happen much or maybe there love ones don't want them to know and worry. but in ga it does happen.

ugh i wish i had not even read this

No one has mentioned this but it also depends on what your charges are and believe me the other guys will find out. If you are in for abuse of a child of any sort, particularly sexual assault you will be raped, worse if you try to hide it. My man is in a max facility in Kansas, while he was out on parole he told me a lot of things I didn't want to know about what he saw there in 5 years. ( no he isn't a pedophile he's down on narcotics charges)
A lot of men don't talk about it and it's totaly understandable sometimes you see and experience more than your heart can deal with so you just make it go away.

What if you stand up for yourself and fight but lose the fight? Does that show others you are easy prey?

Also I thought max prisons are designed one to a cell and imates spend 23 out of 24 hours locked down. Am I wrong and if not then where do they find the time for this?

Your thinking about seg and death row ect.......there is general population in max too. If you can't fight you better be able to really hustle ...good luck to yah.

Also I thought max prisons are designed one to a cell and imates spend 23 out of 24 hours locked down. Am I wrong and if not then where do they find the time for this?

Max usually houses 2 per cell. When you got a life sentence you either rape or be raped or become one of the elite and just do your time or to you come out in a pine box.

Facts of life behind bars isn't pretty. Bottom line the lower the secuirty level of your facility the least chance of it happening.

my husband haven't mention knowing or seeing it first hand but he also say this is common in prison especially if there are homosexual inmates and all that. nothing different in a seminary, you know how crazy the sexual need goes and your hormones at times, though they shouldnt cross the line but this is very common among prisons. the guards are outnumbered, they may be able to monitor and in control of the facility but you cant deny the fact that they're outnumbered too, they cant be in all places at the same time, sometimes im tempted to say they dont care either.

In Mississippi, only Protective Custody, Seg, and Death Row are in single cells.
Otherwise you are in open bay zones. They have 1-2 units with 2 man cells that are locked down at curfew and are closed untill wake up call

believe it or not rape does happen in the womens prisons too, it didnt happen to me personally but i did know of a few that it did happen to. you have to be strong and if you can just stick to your own in there and like me i hung around the lifers. because if you think about it who wants to mess with them and what else do they have to loose. this is from a fromer inmate in washington correction center for women. just be safe in ther and be aware of your sourounding at all times.
Good luck.
Cass

u n me both, this sounds incredible, i'm going to fci n can fight but don't want to.

My partner was a 3 time playgirl centerfold, buffed out and hot. He said he never hears much about rape, like everyone else says, there's enough willing and it isn't about sex anyway. He's a tough guy on the outside and a pussycat on the inside. He has shaved his head, added a couple of tats and has grown a gotee and personally I think he's hotter than before! When I did time it was different as I'm not the tough guy, and not that straight, not all that gay either as far as mannerisms. I did three in a minimum and never worried. I did have to fight once and another inmate friend told me how to handle it and I came out the winner and with a lot of respect. The best part is that I came out. Good luck and lean on people who really care out here.

That stuff doesn't happen much. I never seen or heard of it while I was down. I was on 1 & 2 yards.

I went to Raiford in Fla. in 1974.I was 17.Although I was not raped,many tried.Rape was allowed by the guards and many guards caused inmates to be raped.It was used as a tool of control and even to reward certian inmates.I fought alot,I stabbed people.I set them on fire.I creeped them in their sleep.I made bombs out of tooth paste tubes and matches.I spent my first 4 yrs. fighting to not be raped.I am 6ft. 8in . tall.I worked out every day.I became very violent in order to protect myself.Had many beatings,gave many out.I hear it,s getting better even in Fla. these days and that alot of it has been stopped now.Most guys just went into protective lock up to avoid rape .Most whites just gave up and became punks.Some were killed.My prayers are with you.Stay to yourself.

I have to disagree with a lot of what was said. One thing no man in prison will admit to is knowing someone that was raped or witnessing it. I started doing research on Prison Rape for my Master's Thesis and have over a bookshelf of resources from all over the country. Rape in general is underreported and with men, especially in prison it is even lower. There is actually a high percentage of those individuals that are victimized. The problem is so serious that Congress in 2004 passed the Rape Elimation Act, which hold facilities accountable for addressing complains, ensuring the proper follow up and treatment are provided.

A common response is that it is consentual, but as I have learned there are two types of consent. One being that yes, they are willing participants and the other that they consent to one on one sex in order to avoid gang rape. As for the correctional staff, many of the times they look the other way because they dont want to be bothered or if they do report it, they receive no support from administration so they just look the other way.

A good source is the Stop Prisoner Rape website. They provide a lot of articles, statistics and survivor stories. Biggest offending states are California, Texas and Illinois. Also there is a really good book put out by Amnesty International.

Prison rape was compleatly out of control in Fla. while I did time.Some inmates were actually put into cells by guards that knew they would be raped.Also,certian inmates were 'rewarded" by Admin. by putiing weak inmates in their cells as gifts or payment.Many inmates committed suicied rather that continue to be raped.I became very violent to avoid it myself.I went to great leangths to let the prison population know that I simply wasn,t worth it.I did whatever I had to do.Prison rapes are very brutal and once you,ve been raped,it doesn,t stop.Many go into protective lock up to avoid it if they can.Alot of them get"daddys" figuring it,s better to just be raped daily by one person.Not all prisons are like Raiford was back in the day.There are cameras etc. now and law suits.Many prisons have steped up the effort to cut down on prison rape.

hvy...that sounds totally out of a movie.

i believe prison rape is a much rarer phenomenon than tv wants us to believe. i'm like a few other inmates...people need to stop watching so much OZ lol.

It definitely happens, but I don't think you'll find that many inmates will talk about it.
A lot happens in there, that they don't tell us for one reason or another.

Please join us on the CO and Convict thread and check out some of the links I have provided there reguarding this topic.Please join in on our chat as well.

I hope VanHammersly is doing ok.

My husband was threatened with Rape a couple of times. He has said it never happened, but I am not sure if he would tell me if it did. I think he would be too disgusted to tell me.

but you must think also people, how many rapes go unreported because of fear, intimidation, or shame? Its the same as when a woman doesn't report it on the outside....we really will never know

My husband says that prison isn't what people say it is, that its "soft", yes at some prisons it happens but like one of the previous posters said the first time you are approched stand up for yourself, dont ever back down, even if you can't fight!!!

WoW, that's all I can say!

I agree WOW...this has been a very interesting thread...I will always worry about my husband and his safety and well being...I personal don't think too many guys will admit to being raped anyways...my hubby did say it does happen in there, but you don't hear about too many rapes, there are some that are willing...it's not as out of control as TV (oz...yes i watch that show too). I also have an X that did 5 years also and he told me the same thing, you just gotta stand your ground and don't look like a punk...I also have a friend that is a CO and yes most of the time they do turn there heads or sometimes they can set it up too depending on the situation and reason...

Rape is very common in prisons. I have a criminal justice degree and I was taught by many previous CO's in the TDCJ system. Countless times they told us of cases. Of course your husbands and friends aren't going to admit to bein graped or seeing it. I was a probation officer for awhile and I can honestly tell you this from being in the DOC circle. Inmates are iether pitching or catching while being on lockdown.

I was never Raped In prison But I have been sexualy asulted by one of the male CO's :( He says hen was seaching me for some controban but the search was to thuro for that

My pen pal is in Texas. He's been away for 12 years and has heard of one rape. There were still funny circumstances with that too. The guy that was supposedly raped was white, and the 3 "attackers" were bigger than him but my pal says that the story from the inmates is that it was concensual on all parties. One thing to note is that the person that was raped was mentally retarded. Now, my pal says that rape is not like they make it out in the movies. It's rare to hear about it. You just have to be firm with it if someone propositions you to say no thanks, I don't swing that way and say it with confidence.

how is the rape of a mentally handicapped person and the circumstances surrounding it funny? even if it was concentual?

Guys,

Does it occur to anyone that this VanHammersly guy, who has never written anything (this was his first and second post) comes out and asks about prison rape, encourages us for stories a second time, and never shows back up?

Um, I think we've been scammed. Yet the post has gone on for four pages...

As for the topic, master's thesis notwithstanding, there is no substitute for actually being there in prison. My experience - federal medium and camp, plus seg, is that it happens more as the security level goes up. Sex between inmates I'd guess at around 30%, although for some goofy reason they sometimes don't consider that gay (? on the DL or some crap).

Not taking any crap from other inmates helps, but you can overdo that too and get your butt kicked also. Strong and silent seems to be the right way to go about it.

I was in med sec prison and never saw a rape or heard of one occuring on the compound. Consentual sex was another thing altogether.

Remember this: ANYONE can be knocked out & raped, no matter what size you are. ANYONE can be ganged up on and raped. In my experience the latter is done, not for sex, but as a weapon. I can't count the number of men I know have been raped, over a dozen at least, myself included.
I was raped by 6 blacks, in the shower of a dormatory, I couldn't fight all of them, and none of the other white's would help. Why, you ask, because the white's were cowards. Even though there were more white's, the blacks ran the dormatory. It has taken me over 23 years, but 5 of those XXXXXX have paid dearly for it, and when I find the last one, he will pay as well.
Most of the time they will try and pressure/scare you into giving them what they want. Heres where u need to take action and break off about 6" of steel in one of em & presto they'll leave ya alone. Never back down, even if you can't win, you MUST stick up for youself, if you don't no one else will. Someone might step forward and tell ya, they will protect ya, but there's a price for that protection, ya gotta pay 1 way or another. You don't have to be big to survive in prison, you must be willing to protect you & yours, at ALL costs. Never show weakness, that will draw the AxxhXXXs to you, like sharks to blood.
In my experience, most blacks believe that if your young and white and in prison, your there because you want to have homosexual sex with them, not because your in for breaking the law. That statement may sound stupid to many, my sound racist, I don't care. I've done time in some of the toughtest prisons and thats the way they think.
1 time in Joliet, I had a black homosexual as a celly, name was (get this) Traci. He/she made her own Girl clothes, make-up, etc. I got tired of her presence in my cell and set her on Fire, got 7 days in the hole for that. What got me was, Guys that were calling the shots for a couple of gangs stood in front of my cell and faught over Traci (a man), to see who was gonna be her MAN. You could see em swapping spit on the yard and stuff. These guys would then walk around the prison acting like they were bad asses, and kissing on their woman folk when they come to visit.
As for Protective Custody, Theres no such thing. If you go to PC you will be branded and not in a good way. If someone's in PC and someone else wants to get to you they can. All they have to do is check in themselves, get ya and sign out or go to lockup. Stay out of PC, everything you do will follow you and be there if you ever return. Prison is a enclosed society, many men are there for a long time and remember you if you ever come back. Be strong, take to crap, fight, and remember, Kindness is viewed as a weakness to be exploited.
J.R.

I don't believe the part of your story about you X-ing all the black guys but one. Nor do I believe the part of you "setting someone on fire", unless it was to light a match and stick it up to their skin because their were irritating you. It just sounds like bravado talking and embellishing the story trying to make the events sound more dramatic then they were. There are over 55 jail/prisons in the state of California. They are not all alike and that goes for the rest of the country.

How Could You Set Someone On Fire For Being Themselves?

wow J.R.(NghtHawk) i just read your post and that's the most real and honest thing i've read in pto so far. everything you said was frightening and sad to admit, true. my husband's incarcerated right now on his 7th prison term not to mention about a hundred county times. he has the 'fight til death' attitude when it comes to this sensitive issue but has never encounter a situation like that (thank God). he did tell me a couple of years ago when he was in county jail fighting his case, that he witnessed a small framed hispanic male being raped in jail. county jail! i was flabbergasted. i couldn't believe it because i've been in jail and once in prison and jail? i would've never even thought it occured in jails because a jail is more confined and close watched. but, anything's possible right? oh, and my husband witnessed this from a couple of cells over so don't think that he watched and didn't help the guy. bars were the only thing that prevented help for that guy because i know my husband and a few other men there would have helped (jail though). unfortunately, i wouldn't know what his reaction would be in a prison. they're 2 totally different environments and totally different levels of dangers. well, just wanted to thank you for posting that reality for us all to be aware of what our loved ones risk facing everyday. i'm sorry that it happened to you and have coped with it the best way you can. don't let anyone tell you your reactions to the rape was/is wrong because they have no idea what the hell happened to you and hope to God that it never happens to them. take care.

My husband is in prison and this is one of my worries, but he is a strong man. He told me that he will come home and not to worry about him, but to pray for him. You know it's easier said than done, but I continue to pray for his safe return. I just wish that things were different for our family. You all be safe its good to have someone to release my to worries to that understands. Be blessed everyone.

Like NightHawk said it does happy. Rape is very common in the prison system. As I stated before inmates or ex cons will say it didn't happy to them. Who would want to admit to that happening to them. With inmates PTSD is very common and thats why alot upon reentry to society have issues with dealing wtih very common things. I teach and hear stories from my students who have done time. I know of one who has been involved in prison homosexuality and the other students have openly talked about relatives and there excursions in the system.

I read all the inmates stories from the website miss piggy but up. Thats so sad how these men are treated, that really makes me worry.

read these three pages of stories from men who were raped in prison, so sad


hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/voices.html

warning: contains cuss words

My husband said to pack dookie in your bootie - no one will want to touch you. He just got out. It works, really.

dookie? wtf is dookie? you're nuts and tell your husband he is too :)

There have been alot of replies to this - but as someone who served time on the inside - let me again say - that Rape - while it DOES happen, is not as rampant and frequent as you see on TV shows and movies.

Again, if you stay to yourself, keep yourself away from bad influences, and mind your own business you will be ok.

It has nothing to do with dookie in the booty - nothing with having to fight off other inmates.

In prison - you will be treated like a "punk ass bitch" if you act like one. If you disrespect another inmate, you are toast. If you act like something you are not - show weakness in the way that you are lying about yourself or your activities.

Be true, honest, open about what you are and what you do - and nothing can be used against you in prison. If you sneak around and lie, and are involved in BS all of the time - you are in some serious dangerous waters.

I think every prison and state is different.

Florida is not a good place to go to prison from what I have heard.

about my comment"how could you set someone on fire for being themselves"i would like to knwo why you tortured them.was he trying to intimidate you?i dont understand hawk.

prison rape does not happen as much as some are saying especially in the lower security. I have done my fair share of research as well.

prison rape does not happen as much as some are saying especially in the lower security. I have done my fair share of research as well.

Research is just that. Only the ones that have been on the inside can tell you how it really is.:thumbsup:

Nighthawk, I know your story is right on. The prison rape trip you describe is what I had to face every day at an "opportunity" school in FL for kids 12-15 years old. I can't imagine that, if it's happening at that level at those ages, that it somehow "magically" stops when all these kids make their way to adult correctional facilities.

I appreciate your candor and willingness to make a good contribution.

Best regards,

Kate

My friend, do not believe everything you read or hear about rape in prison, in 15 years I only heard of about 5 or 6 rapes, and then only in Max. You will get hit on for sure but be firm, say NO and they will move on to someone else.

what about womens prisons? is it all the same, because ive heard that women rape women in prison also?.?.?

I have no expierience on rape in womens prisons. I am sure it happens, however most woman want an emotional attachment in prison, where for most men it is physical

It is not a fact that it happens, it does, but do you seriously think that a man, make that a MAN, would ever admit to it? Especially to the outside, to the ones he depends on for his love and affection? His family, his girlfriend, his wife? No, simply answer, and this does not apply to just a rape circumstance, it applies to release. Just as in the forums of women having a relationship with another women, men have their reasons also.

I served 3 yrs in a couple different womens facilities. Once at Honor Grade, I heard no tales of anyone getting raped. But before I got there, I was at the felony camp.... and that was a whole different story.
It happened alot at the prison I was in. If you weren't liked by certain women, if you smarted off to the wrong woman, and on and on. You had to mind your P's and Q's, and watch what you said to alot of the women. I didn't actually 'see' anyone get raped, but I watched a girl get pulled off of the top bunk and drug into the bathroom area by 3 women, one of them carrying a broomstick. At that time, I made way out to the yard...
Some are probably thinking, why didn't I say something or do something? Well, to be frank... I wasn't going to be next.
So, I guess depending on what facility you're at, depends on how common it is.

I agree that there are a lot of sexual assaults going on. I used to work at a maximum security men's prison in Texas. Why do you think a lot of guys who enter prison join gangs?????? It's for protection. I was appalled to see that some of the white supremacists were punking out their fellow whites to each other! How disgusting! An inmate on my caseload was 19 years old and was serving a long sentence for several rapes of women. HIs rationale of his offenses was "I did it for power and control." WEll, he got raped several times and he finally reported it. I wanted so much to ask him, "Do you think the guy raped you for power and control?" but I didn't. I thought he was finally getting paid back for his crimes. Rape is real and it happens frequently in prison. Anyone who says it doesn't is either a fool and in denial or they're lying. Unfortunately, white men are notoriously "weak". They just don't want to get hurt, I guess and so they won't fight to gain the respect they desire to have. It's tough inside. I hope I never have to do time.

MY HUSBAND WILL BE RELEASED IN FEB 08 FROM A 3 YR SENTENCE. AND AFTER ALL THIS TIME HE WAS CONFRONTED LAST WEEK WHILE IN THE DAY ROOM. HE SAID THAT A GAY DUDE (MISS ANGEL) WAS MOVED INTO HIS DORM FRIDAY AND AS MY HUSBAND WAS WATCHIN TV MISS ANGEL COMES TO HIM AND TRIES TO HOLD A CONVERSATION. HE SAID HE WAS TRYIN NOT TO BE RUDE BUT NOT VERY FRIENDLY EITHER(MY HUBBY). HE SAID HE DOESNT HAVE HATE FOR GAYS HE JUST DOESNT WANT TO BE DISRESPECTED BY ANY. SO HE DOIN A LIL SMALL TALK WITH MISS ANGEL AND DURING COMMERCIAL HE GETS UP TO GET SOME WATER AND MISS ANGEL IS WATCHIN HIM THROUGH THE CORNER OF HER EYE. MY BOO SITS BACK DOWN AND MISS ANGEL MOVES TO SIT ON A BENCH IN FRONT OF HIM AND STARTS ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE IS HE MARRIED, HAVE KIDS, WHERE IS HE FROM, LIKE MY BOO SAYS "THINGS A FEMALE WOULD ASK". sO MY BOO IS AGGRAVTED BY NOW AND JUMPS AND SAYS "LOOK MAN, I LOVE P*#$! I LOVE WOMEN YA DIG!" AND M.A. GOES ON TO SAY "BUT DO YOU GET DOWN?" MY BOO SAYS "B*%^*! WHAT THA F MAKES YOU ASK ME SOME HOE A$$ SHIIT LIKE THAT!, YOU BETTER GET THE F AWAY FROM!" HE SAID HE WAS HAVING ALL KINDS OF THOUGHTS GO THROUGH HIS MIND HE SEEN HIMSELF HURTING M.A. REALLY BAD BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS HEARING MY VOICE TELLING HIM NOT TO GET IN TO ANY FIGHTS UNLESS HIS LIFE WAS ENDANGER. SO HE CAUGHT HIMSELF AND SAID F THE TV AND WENT BACK TO HIS BUNK. SO HIS CELLIE WAKES UP AND SEES THE MUG ON HIS FACE AND ASKS WHATS WRONG. HE TOLD HIM AND HE (CELLIE) STARTS LACING UP AND CHARGES M.A. UP AND LATER THAT DAY M.A. TELL MY BOO SHES SORRY FOR DISRESPECTING HIM LIKE THAT. THE NEXT DAY THEY TAKE M.A. OUT OF THE DORM BUT AS SHES WALKING OUT SHE WINKS AT MY BOO AND SAYS "(NAME)YOUR STILL THE SEXXIEST NIKKA IN THIS DORM!" AND MY BOO JUST LOST IT AND CHARGED TOWARDS M.A. BUT THE BOSS GRABBED HIM AND HELD HIM UNTIL THEY HAD M.A. OUT OF THERE. THE BOSS TOLD MY BOO TO "GET USED TO IT THIS IS PRISON!" IM NOW WORRIED ABOUT RETALIATION TO MY BOO BECAUSE HE IS TO BE RELEASED SOON. AND I WONDER HAS HE BEEN SET AS A MARK NOW IN THE GAY COMMUNITY? HE ISNT WEAK AND HE DOESNT CARRY HIMSELF LIKE THAT AT ALL, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MA WAS JUST ATTRACTED TO HIM AND JUST TESTIN THE WATERS, SHOULD I WORRY, DID HE HANDLE IT RIGHT?

ND I WONDER HAS HE BEEN SET AS A MARK NOW IN THE GAY COMMUNITY? HE ISNT WEAK AND HE DOESNT CARRY HIMSELF LIKE THAT AT ALL, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MA WAS JUST ATTRACTED TO HIM AND JUST TESTIN THE WATERS, SHOULD I WORRY, DID HE HANDLE IT RIGHT?

Of course your Boo didn’t handle it right. He should have simply said “thanks, but not thanks” and left it at. And of course Miss Angle winked at him on the way out, cause he knew it would piss him off and get him to react like a machismo driven fool.

Your Boo has been marked, as easy to manipulate and fun to mentally f*ck with.

BUT SURELY NOT ALL THAT REFUSE THE ADVANCES JUST SAY "THANKS BUT NO THANKS". I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD PISS OF ANY STRAIGHT MAN THAT FEELS DISRESPECTED AND WOULD CAUSE HIM TO WANT TO BE VIOULENT TOWARDS THE ONE DOING THE ADVANCES. SO THATS F*CKED UP. SO MY BO SHOULD WATCH HIS BACK MORE SERIUOSLY NOW? IM SO WORRIED FOR HIM:confused:



Of course your Boo didn’t handle it right. He should have simply said “thanks, but not thanks” and left it at. And of course Miss Angle winked at him on the way out, cause he knew it would piss him off and get him to react like a machismo driven fool.

Your Boo has been marked, as easy to manipulate and fun to mentally f*ck with.

REDHERRING IS THIS YOUR OPINION? JUST HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS NOW THE SITUATION?



Of course your Boo didn’t handle it right. He should have simply said “thanks, but not thanks” and left it at. And of course Miss Angle winked at him on the way out, cause he knew it would piss him off and get him to react like a machismo driven fool.

Your Boo has been marked, as easy to manipulate and fun to mentally f*ck with.

REDHERRING IS THIS YOUR OPINION? JUST HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS NOW THE SITUATION?

It is my opinion based on the tails told to me by the various people I know in prison. Your Boo isn’t going to become a target because a boy hit on him. Disrespectful or not, your Boo over reacted to the situation and for his own sake he needs to step back and not let other inmates manipulate him into a fight. There are plenty of guys inside who like nothing more that to stir the sh*t and cause trouble, it’s clear Miss Angle is one of them.

Your guy is going to have to learn to not take these types of things personally and just walk away from it. It doesn’t mean he is less of a man because he doesn’t react, it means he his mature enough not to get wrapped up in the petty drama that in the end will only hurt him and you.

Your guy needs to learn not to be threatened by homosexuals inside and outside of the walls. Besides, the resident dorm queens give the best hair cuts. ;)

For Your Input Redherring. I Will Take It Into Consideration. Yes It Was Immature Of Him To Let Miss Angel Provoke Into Wanting To Fight I Guess Ppl Handle It Different And Since He Has Never Come Into That Situation B4 He Didnt Know How To Handle It.

Don't let anyone fool you. It all depends on where you're at and what prison you're in. It does happen and unfortunately more often than not it's CO on inmate. And yes, it's about power.

My husband helps the new inmates at his facility not to become punks. He can't stand the thought of that. It makes him sick to his stomach. And yes, he has seen it happen. It happens all the time where he's at. It's just not discussed if you know what I mean.

And just to let you know, most husband's really don't tell their wife everything that goes on inside because it would worry them too much. My husband tells me everything and it's not a pretty place. I'm not going to beat around the bush about anything. If you can find someone that is a true aquaintance in there then you're better off. Remember you have no friends in there. And anyone will turn you in or worse to save their own neck.

I don't think your BOO handled it bad at all. He got his point across. I think MA was using him to get out of that dorm and possibly in another dorm where she wanted to be. She had her eye set on someone else and that's where she wanted to be.

Unfortunately the Boss was right. They do have to get used to all types in there. Where Jeremy's at the Gay's run everything. It's ashame too. The men can have sex with other men. But we're married and we can't get conjugal visits as husband and wife (man and woman). And the facility where Jeremy is at also passes out condoms for safe sex. What's up with that????

In prison men have to stand their ground and not take anything off of anyone. If they back down or just say "thanks but no thanks" that can be taken as a sign of weakness.

Don't think it's easy in there. They constantly have to stand their ground and against some of them meanest, dirtiest, most manipulative men in the world.

State prison and county jail aren't easy going. Federal prison is a lot better. But don't be fooled. In there talk is cheap and no one wants to hear it. It's either put up or put out. That's the way it is in there.

My husband, Jeremy, has been in there for two years this time. Last time it was 4 years. He knows how to survive in there. He hasn't had too many problems this time. He even had his own punk. (Not for sex) He was protecting this guy from being marked by another nasty inmate who would have used the kid for prostutiton. Yes, you heard me right, for prostitution. In exchange for Jeremy's kindness and protection the kid would do Jeremy's laundry and other trival tasks. It worked out for both of them and eventually the kid found his own feet and him and Jeremy are great friends now. Jeremy looks out for others in there and he's not one to mess with. Everyone knows that. But he's never been in a fight either and he's never been in trouble.

We have more trouble out of people hitting on me, than on him (and Jeremy looks like Vin Diesel). Especially the CO's.

I just wanted to let you know. That not everyone in there has the same ride as others. Some are more difficult and it really depends on the facility and where it's located that matters most.

It does happen..... and there is a LOT that goes UN-Reported..... I'm in Ohio and I know someone very very well that was raped while in prison, he had just turned 18 and wasn't much of the fighting type and he wasn't very big either,(he was 18 years old then, but 40 yrs. old now) and the particular prison that he was in (In OHIO) he seen it happen quite a bit in the shower rooms.... In Prison you must keep your mouth shut or end up severely beaten or Worse....
Rape in prisons might not happen as often as it used to......... and I certainly don't know why a man would rape another man, Shit!!!! They should find someone who is willing....... however, most of us know that Rape is about POWER & CONTROL....... & the men that do the raping aren't so called fags on the outside and I'm quite sure they would keep what they've done on the down low (hush hush) however, I'd called them gay because if he(rapist) doesn't practice that behavior with other men on the outside he should have more self control Because there are lots of men in prison that haven't had sex in years and they don't go around raping other young men.

Tommy told me there are just HOMOSEXUALS who freely want it so most will use them, not rape someone but I have been told that some get raped but as it is known, rape is about violence and some people are just that way, so if you mind your own business you should fair fine.

Tommy has been "down" 13 years when I first found him (I knew him before his incarcarceration) I asked him if he had any issues with rape stuff as that is all you hear about...He said they would have to kill him or he kill them for that to occur and he is not dead and he is not a murderer..so just keep to yourself and I hope life gets better for you...It is not easy I am sure. Tommy is thin built 5'11, 170 lbs but weighed 130 lbs when he went in. (Drug addict) Got into lots of fights back then but now no issues...Also STAY AWAY from the gangs, do whatever you have to NOT to join one..Tommy said that was his most amazing feat..not falling in with gangs..as they try to recruit you right off...He said he made it clear he wants no part of them at all...and he has not had trouble in like 5 years from them. He got beat up badly by a gang in Terra Haute IND prison they sent him to NC for surgery they nearly killed him...and he has not had trouble sense then but Tommy is a fighter from way back that is why he is in prison for so long, prior arrests for assualts back in 80's...so you are probably not as hot tempered as Tommy..thank the lord for that..LOL Well good luck and keep us posted. You will be fine stick to learning something while you are in there, get a job and stay busy. Tommy told me the ones who cause all the trouble are the ones who do not want to work or be productive!

Prison is a terrible place to be without, money. Michael Jackson wouldn't have been harmed and all the hanger ons' in the free world are the same in prison. A lot of the younger inmates don't receive any mail because they have burned their bridges or come from poor families, they appreciate it when someone takes them under their wing. Read the small print....

In prison men have to stand their ground and not take anything off of anyone. If they back down or just say "thanks but no thanks" that can be taken as a sign of weakness.

Don't think it's easy in there. They constantly have to stand their ground and against some of them meanest, dirtiest, most manipulative men in the world.

State prison and county jail aren't easy going. Federal prison is a lot better. But don't be fooled. In there talk is cheap and no one wants to hear it. It's either put up or put out. That's the way it is in there.

My husband, Jeremy, has been in there for two years this time. Last time it was 4 years. He knows how to survive in there. He hasn't had too many problems this time. He even had his own punk. (Not for sex) He was protecting this guy from being marked by another nasty inmate who would have used the kid for prostutiton. Yes, you heard me right, for prostitution. In exchange for Jeremy's kindness and protection the kid would do Jeremy's laundry and other trival tasks. It worked out for both of them and eventually the kid found his own feet and him and Jeremy are great friends now. Jeremy looks out for others in there and he's not one to mess with. Everyone knows that. But he's never been in a fight either and he's never been in trouble.

We have more trouble out of people hitting on me, than on him (and Jeremy looks like Vin Diesel). Especially the CO's.

I just wanted to let you know. That not everyone in there has the same ride as others. Some are more difficult and it really depends on the facility and where it's located that matters most.


I hope you don't believe that story.

This is one long thread. Great reading everyone's post. For the most part prisons in general do have a small homosexual population that keep most inmates happy with them. However, coming into a prison as a "new fish". Remember prison is about survival. You will be tested as soon has you hit general population by someone or some gang. If it comes down to fighting then you got to protect your assets.

Basic common sense always helps. Don't get into drugs, don't gamble, never borrow anything from anyone.

This gets asked all the time and if I was a guy, someone's boyfriend,husband,son or friend. If I was asked why would I admit it? Guys would be more prone to lie just 'cause they're guys. Don't you think? I would not have the nerve to ask my brother such a thing and do I really want to know?

never happened where i was at but theres such a thing called "gay for the stay" where dudes become undercover cocksuckers on the DL. i have no tolerance for that type of shit myself and have a firm belief that once a cocksucker, always a cocksucker.

My friend/brother is locked up in CA & in a PC yard. He says there are rapist, Homosexuals such as Transgenered men, & child molestors etc.... in there, anyway he says in a PC yard theres a lot of "Homosexual- Activity" that goes on in there. But again what you've heard already in previous responses is its all consenual. Rapes or homosexual activity occurs mostlikely in a pc yard so i wouldnt worry about it to much if u arent going there. u are mostlikely going to mainline right? those types of things dont happen there so my husband says he is also in a low minimum security prison.

Yes, guys get raped inside. But it doesn't happen to everyone.

Avoiding sexual assault has a lot to do with how a guy carries himself and whether he knows how to mind his own business and do his own time.

Bottom line: if you really don't want to be a punk you have to be ready to fight or even get stabbed. Remember: the prison wolves don't want to kill you; they want to fuck you.

I've seen it happen numerous times: Young, meek, fair-skinned kids...scared to death...first time being in such a cruel and so unusual place...they reek of fear and the wolves can smell it...they try to befriend them...gain their trust...then make the kid do small, sexual things at first...touching...caressing...then once this is achieved...it's time for the meat to be applied...when the wolf gets tired he then goes out hunting for other prey...The kid is then passed around the wolves den...either the kid goes to a guard and requests Protective Custody or he stays an under-cover punk...turning tricks for whatever he can get.
Anybody can be punked in the joint...all it takes is enough hands to hold you down...nobody is that bad to fight off 5-10 hard-dicked men that want your ass...If someone says different...they are a liar!!!!!

You are ABSOLUTELY right! Couldn't have said it better myself

I've seen it happen numerous times: Young, meek, fair-skinned kids...scared to death...first time being in such a cruel and so unusual place...they reek of fear and the wolves can smell it...they try to befriend them...gain their trust...then make the kid do small, sexual things at first...touching...caressing...then once this is achieved...it's time for the meat to be applied...when the wolf gets tired he then goes out hunting for other prey...The kid is then passed around the wolves den...either the kid goes to a guard and requests Protective Custody or he stays an under-cover punk...turning tricks for whatever he can get.
Anybody can be punked in the joint...all it takes is enough hands to hold you down...nobody is that bad to fight off 5-10 hard-dicked men that want your ass...If someone says different...they are a liar!!!!!

Anyone who rapes another whether on the inside or the outside needs to be stabbed to death than have his dick cut off and shoved in his mouth. I'm sorry, but this is a horrendous crime no matter who it happens to and I don't know why you guys would even tolerate this crap. It is one of the most inhumane, disgusting things that someone can do. For that, they deserve to be hung by their neck themselves for doing it. I can't figure out why a bunch of other inmates don't just get together and do just that.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't care what gang they are in, they get no respect from me being part of that garbage. I remember i met someone who said he was in the Aryan Brotherhood while in jail, but if i ever found out he was a rapist, I would spit on him. I'm surprised that noone has tried to kill these people as soon as they get out of jail if they can't get them on the inside. what's wrong with people? this stuff makes me sick. and the guards who look the other way, they should get a good ass whoopin'. :mad:

Capital Punishment for Rape? Well, BeautifulByrd, you are in luck. The U.S. Supreme Court has a case before it on this very question. And if ruled in your favor rapists can be killed by the state.

Anyone who rapes another whether on the inside or the outside needs to be stabbed to death than have his dick cut off and shoved in his mouth. I'm sorry, but this is a horrendous crime no matter who it happens to and I don't know why you guys would even tolerate this crap. It is one of the most inhumane, disgusting things that someone can do. For that, they deserve to be hung by their neck themselves for doing it. I can't figure out why a bunch of other inmates don't just get together and do just that.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't care what gang they are in, they get no respect from me being part of that garbage. I remember i met someone who said he was in the Aryan Brotherhood while in jail, but if i ever found out he was a rapist, I would spit on him. I'm surprised that noone has tried to kill these people as soon as they get out of jail if they can't get them on the inside. what's wrong with people? this stuff makes me sick. and the guards who look the other way, they should get a good ass whoopin'. :mad:

Being a "normal" criminal, and former prisoner, I hate sex offenders. They come in, take their little stop raping people group and get out, while I sat there all those years watching them come and go.

I have harrassed them, faught them, and all the normal things that people do when they dont like a certain group of people. But will I risk my future and freedom to kill someone because someone thinks they should die, and yet is too christian or non-violent or whatever to do the deed themself?

Nope

My son's dad spent a year and a half in the shu because while he was RDC he was approached by a inmate while in the shower who thought he was going to have his way with him. He beat the guy with a shower cleaning brush and he ended up in ICU. He got placed in maximum for it and charges were filed but I don't think he regrets it. I think anyone would try to defend themselves if put in that situation. He has had no problem since he has been back in general population.

:thumbsup: Well the issue as it stands in Louisiana prison system is that they don't rape men any longer, they talk them out of it. Yeah just did 9 years and the way it is done now, is not by force.
How is works if they want a " boy " and he is not down with that. Well if he don't have family to take care of him, well they do that. Feed him food, cigs, coffee and before long well the one getting is asked to help him out, and well that is when he is in that system.
In all that 9 yrs, and working as an inmate lawyer, I had only 1 case that a fellow inmate was accussed of rape. It was actually 4 of them. It was laer learned the inmate that said he was raped was trying to get moved to another camp. I was released before the out come. But no state charges ad been filed some 10 months later.