Okay, this may sound stupid but I am not a drug user and and naive about some of the ways to use it. As you all might know from previous posts my husband is a heroin addict. Well he is still trying to stay clean (supposedly) but the other day we went to his cousins house who I did not know was a heroin user until now and I seen him try to be real slick and hand my husband something so as soon as we left and got in the car we had a big ole fight over it cuz he was trying to deny it. But I am not stupid so anyway I found it and it was black tar heroin and I threw it away but I asked him where he is hiding a syringe since he had that there must be one in the house somewhere. Well he tried to tell me that you can snort the black tar heroin as well as shoot up. Is this true or should I tear my house apart looking for a needle???? I have heard that you can snort heroin but I thought it was the powder kind not the black tar kind. He says everyday is a struggle to fight the cravings.

I know you can snort and use it with a needle, but I am not sure about the black tar kind.

(((((((((((((((((((hugss)))))))))))))))))) i'm so sorry ma .. my brother died of herion overdose/hep C on mothers day last year .. i feel your pain .. i dont believe you can snort tar girl .. but he!! i dont know ... hang in there

yeah i came really close to losing someone on that bull, i never even heard of the black tar kind though, not sure, don't think you could sniff something unless it was powder form?

Yeah he said that you would fix it just like if you were going to shoot it up and then snort it but I dont even know if you can snort liquid like that can you? like I said I have never done drugs before except smoke pot.

Yes, it can be snorted in the liquid form.

thank you but I still dont know if I should search my house for a needle. Thanks for the responses. It was driving me crazy.

some people snort in a nose spray type bottle...

Be careful looking for a needle.. wouldn't want you to get stuck with it....

I'd keep looking. Look inside shoes, coat pockets, etc. Look underneath drawers to see if it's taped there. Check inside closets, above the door trim. Toilet tanks are also another obvious place. Good luck.

I have never done heroin myself, not even t5ried it, BUT i have been around it alot and know ALOT of people who (unfortunately) do use or have used in the past. There are actually 3 ways that I know of that you can do heroin. You can shoot it up, snort it or smoke it on tinfoil. I'm pretty sure you can snort either tar or powder because to snort it, you first liquify it and then snort the liquid. I've seen it done way more then I should have. Remember, my Ex is a heroin addict... or recovering addict, he says he's clean but with that drug, you just never know. :( Sadly, I do know a great deal about this drug. I couldn't tell you how it makes you feel because like I said, I've never even tried it, but I can pretty much tell ya anything else you need to know about it. My friends have really put me up on game about the drug..... in hopes of educating me on it for my own benefit. Thanks to these friends, NOBODY can get much of anything past me if it's involving heroin. It's a good thing to be educated, the things I know and have seen will FOREVER keep me away from it and I will never have any desire to even try that nasty crap. Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions or just need to talk or ANYTHING AT ALL..... I'm here for you sweetie, I've been in your shoes. :) I'll be praying for you and your man and I wish you the best sweetie!!!!!

Also, I would honestly not even bother searching for a needle because if there was one in the house, he already knows you are looking for it and I can almost guarantee you that he got rid of it already. I don't think any user would just leave a needle hidden when they know someone is hot on their trail. He wouldn't want to give you any more reason to think that he's using. I mean, you already pretty much know that he is but he is trying to make you think otherwise, so of course he's not gonna leave a needle in the house after you already caught him with the dope. That's just what I think though, but it's up to you if you want to keep looking. I just don't think you'll find anything.

you can dilute it and inhale it in liquid form, but they would more then likely smoke it if it cannot be shot up./

but it doesnt really matter.... addicts lie about everything when it comes to defending their using.

First of all it makes no difference how the heroin gets in his body if its in its a problem and hes on and poppin'. My man just relapsed and is sitting in Chino Recieving waiting on a Morrisey hearing to find out how long he will be off the street. My man and I used together and did crimes together and he still got pass me so don't feel rained on. For information sake yes he can snort tar just mash it up with a little sugar and it is snortable, most of us prefer to shoot it feeling that it is a waste to snort it so I doubt if that was his intention. No telling where his rig was and whoever that was that said it is probably gone is more than likely right. My advice is to face it square in the jibs just like you are doing and do not back down and don't believe any of his bull. Stand for what you believe in and if he wants it hard tuff love is just what you gotta do. It is how I got clean and I truly believe that it is how my Chances is going to get clean as well. The hard way. We heroin addicts are some hard headed folks. Sandi

I can tell you one more way they use. My booty head of a man use to chop it up with benadryl and snort it. That was the nastiest stuff I have ever saw! Just thinking about it is making me sick now!
I dont know what the attraction is to heroin but I feel for anyone that is addicted! I've seen what it does to people.
They cant just kick the habit without help! Trust me Ive stayed a week in my parents vacation house with this man trying to help him break the habit on his own. NO LUCK!
Got him into a rehab and it took about 3 days for him to detox! He of course stayed away from it but found Meth. Its just a never ending battle for addicts!

I know I have to be tough but its like he has said when he gets the urge to use and cant fight it anymore he doesnt think about the consequences. So what do i do then? That night I wanted to kick him out so bad cuz I was so stressed out that he even had it but then I thought about it cuz it was Sunday and if he left I knew he would just go get high and not go to work so then he would probably be fired and we would just have to start over again cuz I am not ready to quit just yet cuz he is trying so hard and making an effort. I dont know what to do anymore. We are supposed to be going to NA meetings but we havent done that in a while and we are also attending family counseling that his BI counselor recommended and he has to go to Relapse prevention classes and MRT classes but he only goes to all that cuz its mandatory by his PO. Confused.

It wont matter how tough you get with him! If he wants to do it, he will!!! If you want things to be right you should support him and remind him of the classes not tell him to go but just remind him. When you feel like you are doing what is right and you see he isnt you will know what to do!

You say you both want him clean- why not try a few NA meetings, some seem to find it really does help.

We have tried the NA meetings and he says they dont help him and I didnt really care for them too much either but he is supposed to be going to them for his BI counselor and it is supposed to be mandatory.

Good Luck and sorry you have to go through this! I am going through the same with my sister. She has been a heroin addict for three years. She always says she is clean, but we find out different. I don't know what to believe. She goes to the meetings and to a methodone clinic, but I think it actually makes her worse! She meets people to get high with at the meetings and at the clinic. Good Luck again!

Yeah that is what I think happens at these meetings that he goes to also. All the people there are drug addicts and most only go cuz it is mandatory not cuz they want to. I hate feeling like if I have a kid that I have to watch constantly.

What is the most scariest about Heroin is how it can kill so quickly! I know we almost lost my brother who overdosed! He was lucky he had a friend who knew what to do for him. Then another good friend of mine has overdosed twice and this last time he overdosed while shooting up in the car and passed out and his car drove into the middle of the intersection. He was by himself.
I believe what everyone is saying about the meetings to! They just find different ways to get a hold of there drugs. Also I have heard that all the talk about drugs makes them want to use more!
But heroin makes them so sick and I just dont understand why anyone would want to do it.

Thats exactly what he said. That all the talk about the drugs makes him crave it more. and I believe it cuz that NA meeting that we went to they were talking about how high you get and how that feeling is. I just didnt understand how that was supposed to help him.

Sorry, I guess I was going by the public relations:( never been there so I shoulda kept my mouth shut. Maybe a camping trip?

hey,
my b/f actually found the N/A meeting hepful. i only went to a few of them with him but maybe you should find some of the meeting for frends/family of addicts. they might at least help you understand his addiction better. i went to those meetings and even though shane is back in jail and all that, i still go every once in awhile. going really helped me understand what he was going thruogh. i used to use a lot of drugs, but i was lucky and could quit without wanting more, so i did not understand why he could not either. plus, it is a plce to go where you can say what you need to say. i managed to get alot of frustration out, with people who were dealing with the same stuff. then when i dealt with shane at home i was not ussaully so angry. he did relaspe really badly and is now back in jail for awhile. i have grown up surrounded by addicts and i have to disagree that AA o NA don't help. 90% of the people i know that have gotten clean say that the meetings helped them alot.
however, my b/f's sponser told me that the meetings will not work if you are only going becuase it is mandatory. if that is the reasoning that is being used then the people do not wnat to be clean. shane always seemed to try for awhile when he said he wanted to be claen, but i could see that he did not want to be clean. if he had he could not have reconnected with his drug buddies when he got out of jail last time. and just a few weeks ago, he finally took resonsibility for his actions and told me that he was sorry becuase he had taken me for granted and he had not really wnated to be claen the last time he got out of jail. so hopefully this means that he will try for real this time.

Jason ruined a dozen lives doing heroin. I was there when he would shoot up, but he always did it in another room so I didn't actually see it.

He paroled here and within weeks he was on it again. I threw his a** out!!!!! I will not have that around my kids. He is still out there, living with another girl(an addict), and I saw him the other day and he looks like a skeleton. He's going to die and there is nothing anyone can do for him. He has to want it and unfortunately he doesn't have the strength. We all love him with all our hearts, but we have to walk away.

His mother has taken all kinds of seminars and stuff and she has been my guardian angel through all this. I didn't have a clue about heroin. I'm no saint, it would be easier for me to name what I haven't tried, but that is the first thing on my list. I won't even consider it. I just don't have an addictive personality. I could always walk away. His mom has helped understand and accept the fact that no amount of love, or anything, can stop a heroin junkie. They have to love themselves first.

I love him so much it is literally killing me, but I have to walk away(even my son said the same thing last night). No one can help him anymore but himself. If he lives until he gets to the bottom maybe he will see the light. His mom is trying to find him, she wants to let him know that we all love him to the bottom of our hearts and we forgive him, because she knows she is going to bury him and she wants to make sure he knows that before he does die.

She keeps having visions of him in a casket, and I had a dream with him lying in a hospital bed, in a coma, from a overdose.

After he was arrested the first time, at my house, my son found a needle in a rolled up pair of socks. If he hadn't been in prison, I would've killed him!!!!

I know so much of what all of ya'll are going through!
You know they always say go to NA and AA maybe they need to go to the Alon and family meetings. Maybe then they could at least realize what they are doing to there family. I think if they would actually listen there might be that one person's story that could change there life for ever!
I have a friend that is addicted to Meth. She told me the other day that she is so good at her game that she is scared of losing. Scared of what she will lose! SHe has never been in trouble and thinks she is fooling everyone. I told her to ask her 13 year old daughter if she is good at her game? She was Speechless then!
The things they come up with is what throws me off!

YOU ROCK!!! Never stop tellin it like it is!!!
the sick thing is... addicts really are so very clever ..How does all that intelligence go into being so stupid?
oh yeah.//// it's a disease. :(


I know so much of what all of ya'll are going through!
You know they always say go to NA and AA maybe they need to go to the Alon and family meetings. Maybe then they could at least realize what they are doing to there family. I think if they would actually listen there might be that one person's story that could change there life for ever!
I have a friend that is addicted to Meth. She told me the other day that she is so good at her game that she is scared of losing. Scared of what she will lose! SHe has never been in trouble and thinks she is fooling everyone. I told her to ask her 13 year old daughter if she is good at her game? She was Speechless then!
The things they come up with is what throws me off!

Has anyone ever thought of drugs/alcohol this way? I know you have heard a thousand times from the drug addict that NO ONE is going to tell them what to do and if they do they will kick there *blanky**blank**blank* A double S! Well why dont they tell that stupid substance that is controlling there lives telling them what to do that same thing. The substance isnt even human!
Oh yes they are very intellingent people! Artist, handyman just all kinds of talents!

I have been on both sides///
I KNOW. The fact it is a disease is what is so hard for people who dont have it to comprehend. Drugs and alcohol worked for me for a good 17 years. In other words, they made the pain of life, of being who I was more bearable by numbing me. Most addicts are extremely sensitive, in fact... I would bet that IS the nature of the disease. We cant bear the pain... so much so we are willing to suffer to escape it! Addiction is a disease of the mind and spirit that effects the lives of others as well as the addict.
I found my way into my own recovery, via AlAnon, trying to get my then husband to stop smoking crack and drinking.
One thing I am certain of, having been a substance abuser (Heroin was not my DOC, but I did use needles a LONG LONG time ago, and a needle user will always go back to the needles if thats the way they have done a certain drug. It took me longer to get over the needle obsession than it did the drug itself) is that as addicts we surrender to it as willingly as a hungry baby to a full breast. It's that surrender that is key. When the drug becomes what it truly is to the addict (certain death) that we realize what is going to happen.... the high is no longer what we once knew it to be and the suffering is emminent. It is no longer recreational... it is a way of some sick so-called life....plain and simple, it is slow suicide.

When the drug is no longer a solution, a lover, a god, a best friend, a real escape, but a tormentor and murderer, we find we cannot get away. We are finally ready to become willing to surrender. (notice I didnt say we actually surrender at this point, but only ready to become willing...) In other words, it MUST kick the addict's a$$ in order for the addict to be willing enough to seek an easier softer way... and the first thing said addict must do, is look at one's self and the damage s/he has done self and others... now that hardly seems the easier softer way..... but it is.
Are you starting to see the delimna?
yes... I should be a lot more successful than I am (because I am a very gifted yet oppressed artist and a brainiac), but I choose to help others today because in recovering from my own chemical lobotomy, i have found a real and lasting purpose.... to help the addict/alcoholic who still suffers... and that is the ONLY way I know to get that recovery/// one addict alcoholic helping another,... but of course, I can only help those who are beat down enough to see that life on life's terms IS the easier softer way.... in other words, the ones who want it. (and sadly, that is not necessarily the ones who need it the most)

oh.. and one more thing.... you can never be too stupid to get recovery, but you can be too smart for it. I know... I was almost too smart to get it, but by the grace of God, I am truly free of a certain bondage in Hell.

Has anyone ever thought of drugs/alcohol this way? I know you have heard a thousand times from the drug addict that NO ONE is going to tell them what to do and if they do they will kick there *blanky**blank**blank* A double S! Well why dont they tell that stupid substance that is controlling there lives telling them what to do that same thing. The substance isnt even human!
Oh yes they are very intellingent people! Artist, handyman just all kinds of talents!

Thank you for sharing that with us Frauelin! I am glad you are here to help! I am in agreement that addicts are sensitive people!
Something that I found interesting as well. I dont do drugs never have and never will! But all the people my guy took me around when they would get alone with me (like a car ride to the store) they would start telling me that they arent doing there drugs anymore and they hadnt done anything in about a week! EVERYONE of them would say the same. That really tripped me out!

EVERY single one of them? Sorry if I sound cynical, but my first thought would be, who are they trying to convince? (I have been around the block enough to be a tour guide!!!!)
I usually hear that sort of line when the friends are trying to convince me they are safe for me or my S.O. to be around.... You will know it without them having to saying so.... there is a little something in the eyes... something that looks a lot like HOPE!

Something that I found interesting as well. I dont do drugs never have and never will! But all the people my guy took me around when they would get alone with me (like a car ride to the store) they would start telling me that they arent doing there drugs anymore and they hadnt done anything in about a week! EVERYONE of them would say the same. That really tripped me out!

You couldnt be more accurate! I know who is doing right and who isnt! But I can honestly say that before I was with my guy I couldnt tell you if someone was on drugs or not unless they were really throwed off and looking real bad! I didnt even know my own brother that was living with me was addicted to heroin! But my guy is my brothers good friend and he shed some light on the whole situation. Now I have seen it and I do feel for those that are addicted and the love ones they are hurting!