My friend was suddenly transfered from Coleman (FL). He was in OKC for about two weeks, but has been posted as "in transit" for the past six days!!! How long can it take to get from OK to IL??? Is there a world tour involved or something??? I'll appreciate any input.

Thanks in advance!

It can take along time to be taken anywhere. I know a guy I did time with who took six weeks to get to So Cal from Boston. There ia also a thing called Deisel Therepy where you can litterally spend years "In Transit".

Yup...sad to say the BOP does it their own way....and remember they like no one to figure it out! lol

I have found 3 to 4 weeks to be a somewhat normal number....but it is the BOP

When Wayne was in county there was a lady there, "in transit" from Nashville to Florida. She'd already been all over New England and Chicago - twice, before she wound up in northeast Mississippi for many, many days. It was crazy and when they left for her, she still had no idea when she'd get to Florida.

My husband was in transit for 6 weeks this summer; the BOP does not transport their inmates quickly. It doesn't matter to them that we have no communication with our guys for days at a time - the inmates are "property" of the goverment, I guess.

Many thanks for all the input...
I have since learned that in transit doesn't mean in transit...it merely means they don't want you to know where they are. Turns out he's in a county jail.

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It can be as quick as a day, and up to over a year, as some have said.. Depends on the transfer circustances.. Was it a disceplinary transfer or ??

LOL yes there is diesel therapy!!!!LOL a tranfer can take up to a year con air only moves monthly as well as the buses that transport them. but if your man is a trouble maker he will recieve the therapy and this will break him as it has done to many. but only the higher ups can pull this off.

Hey, just Sunday night my fiance was telling me to ask somebody what deisel therapy was. (He wouldn't tell me himself because he wanted to tease me with it.) They just had moved him from the federal lockup to a county jail and he thinks it is because he was being too proactive in preparing his own defense. County jail seems like a bigger punishment to me anyway, now I have to pay for collect calls and repurchase everything he had already gotten from commisary at the fed place. (they gave him so little time he wasn't able to take even all of his photos with him because the album wasn't allowed and he had no time to take them out.) For all the official talk about preserving family connections, etc. they have no qualms about bleeding the family dry to line their own pockets.

Isn't that the truth! I like how family is suppose to play a part of rehabilitation of the inmate but they ship them where ever...when ever!
I do like the ability to receive prepaid calls from federal prison....makes sense for anyone who can have it this way...much cheaper. I haven't paid for a collect call since last year! My phone bill looks great!

wow, that is so weird! we thought we were the only ones - our son ended up "in transit" 4 weeks ago, and he's also in county jail - non fed housing, and no-one will tell him why he's in county jail ...he was designated by BOP to Coleman four weeks ago...any suggestions how to find out (other than calling the marshals, hehe)
thanks!
mary:confused:

My friend was transfered to face charges, though he didn't know it when he was shipped. They just told him to pack up.

It seems BOP likes to keep family guessing.

Stillamom, you may try FEDCure, I've received help there.

Good luck!

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If They Can Do It

To A Congressman

Dept. of Finance/Judge Lodge

Linked to Hansen Nightmare

By Investigative Reporter Edward Snook

of the Oregon Observer

Reprinted from the

Oregon Observer

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In the March edition of The Oregon Observer we informed our readership of the accomplishments made on behalf of all Americans by Congressman George Hansen. The following article tells how a criminally corrupt Federal Judge by the name of Edward Lodge with the help of numerous other Federal and State accomplices repaid Hansen for all of his efforts.



Diesel Therapy
Diesel therapy - a prison term reserved for the most inhumane, degrading and painful of punishment; normally reserved for the most violent and uncontrollable of prisoners.

A prisoner is shackled at the feet and handcuffed at the wrists, reinforced with a box-like structure which stiffens the chains and locks the wrists at a 90-degree angle. The handcuffs are connected to a waist chain that is connected to another chain which connects the shackles. Once this shackling is complete, a prisoner can barely move. The tightened manacles pinch the nerves and restrict the flow of blood causing severe pain and swelling. Legs swelling with blood are particularly damaging to the feet, as toenails under pressure from blood-blisters press up against shoes for long periods of time and soon become infected and deformed, causing such excruciating pain that they require surgery or the pulling of the toenails out by the roots.

Diesel therapy gets its name, not from the "cruel and unusual" bondage, but from being forced into bus after bus and onto plane after plane, shackled as described, and being shuttled from one prison to another, for weeks on end, 20 hours per day in chains, for no other reason than to cause pain and suffering and give the prisoner a "message."

Welcome to diesel therapy and the world of seven-term Congressman George Hansen who was found guilty in the court-room of the infamous Federal Judge Edward Lodge on bogus charges of bank fraud which were manipulated into an issue by the Idaho Department of Finance illegally using the same agents previously employed by the IRS in their failed attempt to quote "get Hansen."

People who have been reading past editions of The Idaho Observer and The Oregon Observer will recall that the Judge Lodge/Idaho Department of Finance connection has already been uncovered in the bogus securities laws violations charges levied against Boise businessman and winemaker Petro (Pete) Eliopulos, who said; "After Ed Snook of The Oregon Observer and I met with Hansen and he told me in a six-hour meeting what had happened to him, I was more shaken than I have ever been in my life. If (West One) bank officers Knox and Neaville had not subsequently been convicted of crimes which came to light in the bogus investigations of me and my businesses, they could have done to me what they did to Hansen," said Eliopulos, who was shocked that a U.S. Representative, or anybody for that matter, could be treated this way in America.

What could an esteemed member of the U.S. Congress have done to deserve such treatment?



Congressman Hansen Found Innocent
After four years of imprisonment, after ten years of persecution, after being ruined professionally and financially and after being permanently damaged physically, in December, 1995, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals vacated Hansen's sentence for bank fraud because the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled on May 15 that Hansen's previous conviction as a member of Congress had been overturned.

But it should be known that Judge Lodge saw to it that Hansen got "diesel therapy" coming and going to prison from the Judge's court at great cost to the government, even though Hansen should have been allowed to make such trips at his own expense. On the way from his hometown of Pocatello to federal prison in Petersberg, VA , Hansen was bussed and flown, nearly immovably shackled, at taxpayer expense, to jails all over the country. Not Hansen's lawyer, his wife, nor his allies in Congress were able to locate him. Hansen had simply disappeared for a month into the custody of the Federal Marshal's Service. Hansen's wife didn't know whether he was dead or alive. And even when the Supreme Court overturned Hansen's original case and the Appeals Court vacated his current sentence, Hansen still got the Judge Lodge treatment of another dose of diesel therapy from Virginia back to Idaho.

What had Hansen, who was a model prisoner, done to deserve the most brutal, torturous and barbaric type of treatment this country's penal system is capable of inflicting on a prisoner? The answer is obvious: Hansen is Americas most famous political prisoner.



Congressional Accountability Project (CAP)
Retired Congressman Tom Kindness (R-Ohio) stated , "I believe that George's recent trial and conviction on charges of "bank fraud" was the direct result of a campaign by various members of the bureaucracy to stop the CAP."

CAP, the Congressional Accountability Project, was being launched by Hansen and a group of investors interested in good government. CAP was going to utilize nation-wide television and a national 900 number to make congresspersons instantaneously accountable to the American people for their votes on the House and Senate floors.

"This was a project which would, in my opinion, have had a major impact on the votes of congressmen since it would have made them instantaneously responsible to the people by making their votes known immediately after being cast," commented journalist John Voss.

Hansen and his associates were on the verge of making CAP fully operational and accessible to the American public when the government, through the Idaho Department of Finance with the illegal help of former IRS agents, a revenge-minded Justice Department and the corrupt Judge Lodge, manufactured bank fraud charges against him. Court transcripts reflect that justice in Judge Lodge's court, where big bank interests are concerned, is always compromised in favor of the banks, as has been proven by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in a number of civil court cases.

Judge Lodge's provably compromised court ultimately found Hansen guilty and a vengeful Judge Lodge prescribed diesel therapy to teach him a lesson.



Why did the "Honorable" Judge Lodge treat
Hansen like Public Enemy #1?

George Hansen was the only member of Congress able to pull the strings necessary to visit the hostages in Iran in 1979, exposing the big-bank scam behind that crises.
George Hansen was the author of the book To Harass Our People, an indictment of the IRS, where he demanded its dismantling.
George Hansen was the congressman who was so outraged by what he discovered about the IRS while researching his book that he wrote and helped to pass the Taxpayers Bill of Rights.
George Hansen was the first man to propose the flat tax as a damage control alternative to protect the people from IRS abuses.
Hansen was the man who took on OSHA, WPPSS, and the INS.
George Hansen was the man who fearlessly and repeatedly made public his findings when investigations turned up government corruption and citizen abuse.
The "system" decided it had to teach Congressman Hansen a lesson because, had he been allowed to continue serving on Capitol Hill, he would soon likely be the chairman of the powerful House Banking Committee, a fact that history has shown would have happened in 1995.

So, why did Judge Lodge, whose personal reasons for needing to keep the well documented criminal nature of the banking industry below public scrutiny, with the help of the Idaho Department of Finance, trump up a bank fraud conviction by denying the admission of exonerating evidence in court in order to throw Hansen in prison and make sure that he was punished severely with diesel therapy?

Was it because Congressman Hansen was getting close to the truth and accumulating the political power it would take to finally and totally expose the banking industry and government for its criminal abuse of the American people?

Judge Lodge's Court of Kangaroos
CAP was apparently the final straw and abusive criminal government had to shut Hansen down. On the eve of CAP becoming fully operational, powerful special interests and political enemies derailed the project and forced a domino effect of financial repercussions upon Hansen and his associates. The government then took the situation it had created and indicted, prosecuted and convicted Hansen of bank fraud. Though the treachery of Judge Lodge and the government disdained the patriotic financial sacrifices made by Hansens supporters for good government and callously prevented his efforts to repay them, it did not prevent Hansen from publicly pledging that these law breaking government bullies could never seal his lips, nor stop him from somehow paying back the people he owed and keeping his word.

"Every attorney who has read the court transcripts is concerned and confounded as to how George could have been convicted on bank fraud charges when the supervising bank officers were not only acutely aware of his financial operation and transactions, but were actively assisting him in his efforts for over ten years! "George defrauded no one and we can prove it," stated Congressman Kindness.

Hansen was not really imprisoned and tortured by "our" government for bank fraud, though that was the government's excuse to lock him up and shut him down. Hansen was actually a political prisoner who was guilty of attempting to provide the American people with the ammunition of knowledge so they could successfully fight back the senseless encroachment of government oppression which more and more is ruining the lives of all of us. Hansen dedicated his civil service to facilitating a return of a Constitutional form of government which is of, by and for the people and "our" government felt threatened enough by his noble activities to see to it that he was imprisoned and tortured for daring to tell citizens and taxpayers the truth.

Hansen was the only U.S. statesman who cared enough to risk his own safety and political career to visit the hostages in Iran in 1979. While in Iran, Hansen saw first hand what happens to political prisoners who were beaten mercilessly, who had finger and toe nails ripped out by the roots and who had been shackled until they were permanently disabled physically.

Hansen has also experienced first hand the same inhumane torture and it happened to him in the most "civilized" nation on earth, the only difference being that Hansen was denied treatment and pain-killers, and even had to rip his own deformed and infected toenails out as part of his punishment for being a defender of the people and an exemplary American statesman.

Every state and Federal official with any knowledge of the past actions taken against Congressman George Hansen are guilty if they haven't spoken out about the crimes which have been committed against this truly great American Hero. Our treacherous and shameless government is supposedly all concerned with "human rights" in places such as China, Cuba, etc., what a joke. After realizing what this man has endured for all of us, it isn't too hard to see that we have very little real leadership left in this "once upon a time great nation." It is however easy to see that we have thousands of cowards, thieves and opportunists in high places and key positions who have almost paralyzed the dynamics of the American dream.

For several months The Oregon Observer has investigated and clearly identified how the federal court and legal system has been criminally manipulated by corrupted judges and lawyers, powered by the greedy and illegal financial manipulations of big banks, to smash thousands of people in bankruptcy court, in civil court and even in criminal court like the George Hansen nightmare.

The staff of The Oregon Observer will not sleep well until Judge Lodge and all other criminals who have taking part in this destructive legal assault on the public are in prison, which is right where they deserve to be.




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My boyfriend was sent from FPC Nellis in Las Vegas to the county jail. The guards didn't tell his what he was being taken to county for. On the way to the jail the guard said he would be in with the general public at the jail. when they arrived at the jail and were about to take him to his bunk the guard jumped in front of my boyfriend and said they were going to put him in a cell all alone. He was locked up the entire time he was there. He was not given any shampoo and deoderant and he only had on pair of boxers that he had to wash by hand every day. I asked the jail about this and they said they provide the inmates with personal items at a certain time each month and he must have came in after they had already given that stuff out to them and he would just have to wait until they came around again with that stuff. They only let him out of his cell for meals and while he was out to eat he could use the phone if he needed to. They kept him there for over a week before the guard from the fed prison told him what was going on. It turns out a window was broken at the prison and sombody had "ratted out" a few of the other prisioners and they were all taken to the county jail. There were eight of them total that were taken to the county jail and by boyfriend just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and was one of the eight.
The guard told my boyfriend "for the protection of you and the other inmates, we feel it would be better if you were transferred to another facility." My boyfriend was never charged with breaking the window and he didn't have anymore points added or anymore time added to his sentence. The guard sent four of the eight men to other prisions in four seperate states. Right now my boyfriend is in oklahoma city waiting to be send to a camp in florence, Colorado.
I just needed to tell someone about this cause it really makes me mad that the prisons can treat people this way and there is nothing anybody can do about it.